Church of AvacynWURG
Legendary Creature - Human
As long as a Human you control has flying, all Humans you control have flying. The same is true for vigilance, lifelink, first strike, double strike, haste, trample, reach, hexproof, indestructible, and deathtouch. The horrors of this world seek to consume us one by one. But together, we will survive and fight back!
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I know the Cairn Wanderer ability has only mostly shown up on black cards so far, but I'm pretty sure that's only because those cards interact with the graveyard to get it. I could see this ability being in any color. This card uses the ability in a pretty nonblack way, both drawing from the strength of your creatures collectively and giving the abilities to all creatures equally, whereas a black creature will just steal the abilities from the dead and keep them to itself.
I designed this by deciding that a 4 color card should be centered around the two enemies of the absent color. Here, that's green and white. The theme that implies is collective strength. Then I just looked at how red and blue could contribute. Blue can copy traits and red, well, here red just contributes with flavor (zealous worship) and its creature keywords.
The idea of using the Avacynian Church was inspired by the block structure of Innistrad and how the color balance seems to shift. It starts out with all of the colors seemingly ganging up on white, then in Avacyn restored, it shifts to all of the colors uniting against black. That idea lead to the idea of Human tribal. I really like using Human tribal because Humans are present in all colors, so doing Human tribal in fewer colors seems like we'd be leaving out potentially cool cards (yeah, I know this leaves out black, but still), and the flavor is really strong.
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I like this card... The ability fits this combination of colors, but does it really needs to be limited only to Humans? In my opinion it's mana cost is already pretty restrictive, so it can easily apply to all creatures you control.
BTW isn't right order for this color combination RGWU?
I have no idea about the order of the mana symbols. I just took WUBRG and subtracted the B.
Human tribal was a flavor decision. I designed this card as a "what if they made 4c Commander decks?" card. The purpose of the card is to give you access to four colors. The rules text is pretty much just an optional theme. Ontop of that, Humans is still a relatively broad theme, so you could go all in on it and still work in some other fun strategies because there are a lot of viable Humans for commander anyway.
Love it a lot. Would be an awesome, but very powerful tribal commander deck. The hexproof clause is really powerful. Did you consider unblockable here?
It doesn't really matter. They changed the order of mana symbols in Khans because they felt like it (Enemy colored pairs next to each other made it easier for people to recognize they could play a pair that appeared in 2 wedges with one enemy color pair but not with one allied color pair). Compare Abzan Charm (Which has W before G) to Doran, the Siege Tower.
Love it a lot. Would be an awesome, but very powerful tribal commander deck. The hexproof clause is really powerful. Did you consider unblockable here?
The problem there is that unblockable isn't a keyword. It's currently templated as "... can't be blocked..." sometimes followed by "except by...". That, and the fact that unblockable abilities contain the creature's name (ex:"Invisible Stalker can't be blocked" instead of "This creature can't be blocked") make it impossible to keyword and therefore impossible to copy.
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Yes it does matter. They changed the order in Khans because the enemy colour combinations are undefined in their order by the normal mana order, there is two possible orders, they just used the one they hadn't used before. I was just mistaken with W before G only in WUBRG. Doing RGWU as WURG breaks the system because both W and U come after green, and there is no in-between like with .
About the design of the actual card, it's pretty good, simple but interesting. It's a bit weird why it's not black but all the other colours, black gets humans just about as much, but it makes sense enough. Using deathtouch seems somewhat wrong in this way though, it makes it seem more black, even though monogreen get deathtouch all the time. There's only two nonblack humans with deathtouch anyway: Nightshade Peddler and Heir of the Wilds. Maybe it's best without it.
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Yes it does matter. They changed the order in Khans because the enemy colour combinations are undefined in their order by the normal mana order, there is two possible orders, they just used the one they hadn't used before. I was just mistaken with W before G only in WUBRG. Doing RGWU as WURG breaks the system because both W and U come after green, and there is no in-between like with
The method they use to determine the order is to go clockwise around the color wheel with the least amount of colors. So yes, in that sense RGWU is correct. But the two "correct" configurations for wedges are BGW and GWB, and they decided years ago to put the enemy pair first. The reason they changed it to WBG for Khans was because the lead developer of Khans did an experiment shifting the mana symbols. It showed that people were more likely to pick up on the fact that if you draft two enemy colors you could transition into one of two different clans because the symbols for those pairs were next to each other (WB for Mardu and Abzan, and BG for Abzan and Sultai), but if you drafted allied colors you were stuck in one clan (GW only lets you go Abzan). They intentionally chose the "wrong" color order by their existing standards because there was a compelling reason to within the environment.
I thought about removing deathtouch, but since green can get it, I think it's fine.
Also, the card is supposed to represent all the people that make up the Avacynian Church, just like Obzedat represents an entire council. Yea it's weird, but whatever.
And if this card were to actually see print, then I'd adjust the mana symbols to be in whatever is considered the proper order. But right now it really doesn't matter.
Yeah, I think you should just order this in the way which most emphasizes the absence of black mana or plays up what you're trying to do in your set. E.g. if this 4 color combo will consist of 2 dyads, like RG werewolf-humans and UW humans who worship ancestral spirits, then you'd definitely want those two dyads together.
I love the design, my only question is the name. To me it sounds more like an enchantment. But perhaps with the right art it could work...? Maybe it could be a cardinal, a high priest, or a bishop?
I don't want it to focus on just on person, that would defeat the philosophy behind the card. It is supposed to represent a community and what that community can do when it is united. Maybe the name is a bit off, perhaps it should be "Avacynian Congregation" or "Avacyn's Fanclub" or something like that, but it definitely shouldn't be a single person.
Part of me feels this should go whole hog and resonate it's P/T off of number of humans you control, too. More humans, more powerful congregation. That said, it'd be awful wordy.
Legendary Creature - Human
As long as a Human you control has flying, all Humans you control have flying. The same is true for vigilance, lifelink, first strike, double strike, haste, trample, reach, hexproof, indestructible, and deathtouch.
The horrors of this world seek to consume us one by one. But together, we will survive and fight back!
4/4
I know the Cairn Wanderer ability has
onlymostly shown up on black cards so far, but I'm pretty sure that's only because those cards interact with the graveyard to get it. I could see this ability being in any color. This card uses the ability in a pretty nonblack way, both drawing from the strength of your creatures collectively and giving the abilities to all creatures equally, whereas a black creature will just steal the abilities from the dead and keep them to itself.I designed this by deciding that a 4 color card should be centered around the two enemies of the absent color. Here, that's green and white. The theme that implies is collective strength. Then I just looked at how red and blue could contribute. Blue can copy traits and red, well, here red just contributes with flavor (zealous worship) and its creature keywords.
The idea of using the Avacynian Church was inspired by the block structure of Innistrad and how the color balance seems to shift. It starts out with all of the colors seemingly ganging up on white, then in Avacyn restored, it shifts to all of the colors uniting against black. That idea lead to the idea of Human tribal. I really like using Human tribal because Humans are present in all colors, so doing Human tribal in fewer colors seems like we'd be leaving out potentially cool cards (yeah, I know this leaves out black, but still), and the flavor is really strong.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
Also, I agree this makes sense for WURG. In fact, I've made a very similar design in the past.
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I forgot abour that card, I guess I stand both corrected and validated
I have no idea about the order of the mana symbols. I just took WUBRG and subtracted the B.
Human tribal was a flavor decision. I designed this card as a "what if they made 4c Commander decks?" card. The purpose of the card is to give you access to four colors. The rules text is pretty much just an optional theme. Ontop of that, Humans is still a relatively broad theme, so you could go all in on it and still work in some other fun strategies because there are a lot of viable Humans for commander anyway.
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UBRKess, Dissident MageUBR - Controlling Dissidents
GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
The problem there is that unblockable isn't a keyword. It's currently templated as "... can't be blocked..." sometimes followed by "except by...". That, and the fact that unblockable abilities contain the creature's name (ex:"Invisible Stalker can't be blocked" instead of "This creature can't be blocked") make it impossible to keyword and therefore impossible to copy.
But if it was a keyword, I'd totally go for it
Yes it does matter. They changed the order in Khans because the enemy colour combinations are undefined in their order by the normal mana order, there is two possible orders, they just used the one they hadn't used before. I was just mistaken with W before G only in WUBRG. Doing RGWU as WURG breaks the system because both W and U come after green, and there is no in-between like with .
About the design of the actual card, it's pretty good, simple but interesting. It's a bit weird why it's not black but all the other colours, black gets humans just about as much, but it makes sense enough. Using deathtouch seems somewhat wrong in this way though, it makes it seem more black, even though monogreen get deathtouch all the time. There's only two nonblack humans with deathtouch anyway: Nightshade Peddler and Heir of the Wilds. Maybe it's best without it.
Also, Church of Avacyn is a single creature now??
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There is no reason for the OP to change the order, so whatever.
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Also, the card is supposed to represent all the people that make up the Avacynian Church, just like Obzedat represents an entire council. Yea it's weird, but whatever.
And if this card were to actually see print, then I'd adjust the mana symbols to be in whatever is considered the proper order. But right now it really doesn't matter.
I don't want it to focus on just on person, that would defeat the philosophy behind the card. It is supposed to represent a community and what that community can do when it is united. Maybe the name is a bit off, perhaps it should be "Avacynian Congregation" or "Avacyn's Fanclub" or something like that, but it definitely shouldn't be a single person.
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