No, it's simple convergent evolution. There's only a finite amount of possible designs in the game that are actually printable - so every once in a while, they will print one of your printable designs. But I'm sure the road that led to that design was very different.
Besides, it's against Wizards contracts to look at any custom designed cards. I don't think any designers are willing to put their jobs on the line to wade through the seas of garbage designs to find the gems, when they could simply try to design gems themselves.
Starting with "no" doesn't make you right and others wrong. That being said, I agree with your first point. However, beyond convergent evolution, during my 13+ years of being involved in the amateur design community, I have seen so many parallel designs between amateurs and professionals that it defies the laws of probability to the point of being miraculous. Not just singular cards either (which I would consider inevitable "convergent evolution"), but mechanics, particular groupings of mechanics, entire block themes, etc.
It's a bit on the naive side to believe that the contract clause restricting employees to look at this and similar sites exists for any other reason than to legally hedge WotC and, by extension, Hasbro. To do so is to put too much faith in humanity when it comes to its relation to economy. We all know that "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil."
There's nothing stopping MTG specific WotC employees from looking at this and similar sites during their off time. And since no one is allowed to look at them, how could they tell on each other even if they recognized an amateur design without revealing her or him self. Ultimately, there is no accountability in this matter and one must simply come to one's own conclusion about it.
I for one think that they do look at this type of site. After all, Hasbro wants results that produce profit. And if the current staff doesn't produce, Hasbro will get another staff. Therefore, I think it's reasonable to assume that they're checking us out on a regular basis (as opposed to wading through tons of garbage). I have no problem with this because I think it makes for a better product.
I have personally designed a multitude of cards, themes, mechanics, etc, that have seen print. And have at times had to debate heavily in their defense. So I find it extremely vindicating when WotC implements an idea of mine (either purposefully or coincidentally). Especially when it was a radical idea that was ill received from me and yet we'll received from WotC.
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Remand, mine was called Nevermind and only targeted your spells. the idea was, if the stack got full of not-nice things, take your card back and try again.
Sanguine Bond, mine was a W/B enchantment called "Widening Scars" which came into play, each player chose an opponent. whenever a player gained life, their chosen opponent lost that much life.
Master Warcraft, mine was called "Revisions to the Front Line". when you cast this, you switch all of your opponent's attacking creatures with his/her non-attacking creatures. e.g. when the opponent attacks with A and B but leaves C, you cast this and A and B are no longer attacking but C is.
Also, I feel I had some sway toward the Timespiral block, I often posted "return to dominaria" and "what happened with so-and-so?"
It's kind of amazing that you got the same name for a similar ability, but yours function more like equipment than enchantments. pretty cool though.
As you can see in my sig, I invented Burning Earth but I had it cost half as much and deal twice as much damage. I also had it affect nonbasic lands whenever they tap so that it would also make fetching painful.
Of course in retrospect my Price of Burning Earth is pretty ridiculously broken, but at the time that was on purpose. I wanted to nerf multicolor decks and make modern burn tier 1. Burning of Progress probably would have done that.
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I thought of the concept of Phyrexian Mana around original Mirrodin block. Though, I was a huge DnD nerd, so I thought it could be a M:tG version of Psionics.
wooo! I can't find the thread, but I called Thassa's rebuff the moment devotion was spoiled, and I had designed the card back when chroma was a think in Shadowmoor/Eventide.
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The whole Color Self Hate cycle. Years ago, after Shards of Alara, I designed a whole set with the theme of being colors that only knew about themselves. The first set in the block was filled with cards good at opposing themselves. I have a white only o-ring for 1W, a reprint of Gainsay, and a Dark Betrayal exactly (though its pretty common). I had a 4/4 for 1GGG with Flash and "When it comes into play, you may have it fight target green creature" as the ultimate hunter. I didn't design anything like Peak Eruption. Assuming that in a vacuum red wants to burn and attack fast, the direct hate card was Wild Richochet.
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This concerns a spoiled card that I don't really want to mention, but the mechanic has to do with players choosing one of two sides when the permanent with the ability enters the battlefield, and having one effect if more players chose one side and having another effect if more players chose the other side.
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Sometimes people in the same field independently get similar ideas.
Darwin and Wallace with evolution and Newton and Leibniz with calculus come to mind.
I'm not a lawyer, and card designs seem like a matter of copyright law, but I'm reminded of the patent law term "person having ordinary skill in the art" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_having_ordinary_skill_in_the_art)
So I don't take the thread title too seriously, and I figure most other people on this thread don't either.
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That being said, I found this in one of my old custom sets, this particular card dated 2009:
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Enchantment (U)
Whenever you cast one part of a split card, you may pay the mana costs of any other part(s) of that split card. If you do, put a copy of those other split-card part(s) on the stack.
Basically all split cards have fuse, except that mine made them separate copies. I have to say WotC came up with better terminology. I'll re-template mine accordingly: All split cards have Fuse. (You may cast any or all parts of those cards from your hand.)
[My wording accounts for splits with more than two parts - currently only Who/What/When/Where/Why from Unhinged in real Magic, but also Wine/Women/Song from one of my Un-sets]
It's kind of amazing that you got the same name for a similar ability, but yours function more like equipment than enchantments. pretty cool though.
As you can see in my sig, I invented Burning Earth but I had it cost half as much and deal twice as much damage. I also had it affect nonbasic lands whenever they tap so that it would also make fetching painful.
Of course in retrospect my Price of Burning Earth is pretty ridiculously broken, but at the time that was on purpose. I wanted to nerf multicolor decks and make modern burn tier 1. Burning of Progress probably would have done that.
You didn't invent me bro
I invented the bounce land cycle on another forum... well after they came out. I was new to magic
I posted a card called Covetous Eidolon on the custom cards forum a few months back, I think it's a few mana and 2 toughness away from being Hypnotic Siren. My version was probably too OP.
This is a card that people told me wouldn't be printed because what would the point be, so that's hillarious.
I posted a card called Covetous Eidolon on the custom cards forum a few months back, I think it's a few mana and 2 toughness away from being Hypnotic Siren. My version was probably too OP.
This is a card that people told me wouldn't be printed because what would the point be, so that's hillarious.
This? I think you're belittling the commenters in that thread a bit. They didn't say there was no point, they said +1/+3 and flying Mind Control on a 5 mana bestow would be too powerful. In fact in that thread .Rai suggested 7 mana bestow would be more reasonable, which is what Hypnotic Siren ended up being.
I posted a card called Covetous Eidolon on the custom cards forum a few months back, I think it's a few mana and 2 toughness away from being Hypnotic Siren. My version was probably too OP.
This is a card that people told me wouldn't be printed because what would the point be, so that's hillarious.
This? I think you're belittling the commenters in that thread a bit. They didn't say there was no point, they said +1/+3 and flying Mind Control on a 5 mana bestow would be too powerful. In fact in that thread .Rai suggested 7 mana bestow would be more reasonable, which is what Hypnotic Siren ended up being.
I shou;d have been more clear: I chat with friends about my card designs sometimes, and their responses were variations of "why use bestow for Mind Control".
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That makes more sense. I assumed you were talking about people here when you said you posted it here, then people told you there was no point. Ignore my comment then!
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Starting with "no" doesn't make you right and others wrong. That being said, I agree with your first point. However, beyond convergent evolution, during my 13+ years of being involved in the amateur design community, I have seen so many parallel designs between amateurs and professionals that it defies the laws of probability to the point of being miraculous. Not just singular cards either (which I would consider inevitable "convergent evolution"), but mechanics, particular groupings of mechanics, entire block themes, etc.
It's a bit on the naive side to believe that the contract clause restricting employees to look at this and similar sites exists for any other reason than to legally hedge WotC and, by extension, Hasbro. To do so is to put too much faith in humanity when it comes to its relation to economy. We all know that "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil."
There's nothing stopping MTG specific WotC employees from looking at this and similar sites during their off time. And since no one is allowed to look at them, how could they tell on each other even if they recognized an amateur design without revealing her or him self. Ultimately, there is no accountability in this matter and one must simply come to one's own conclusion about it.
I for one think that they do look at this type of site. After all, Hasbro wants results that produce profit. And if the current staff doesn't produce, Hasbro will get another staff. Therefore, I think it's reasonable to assume that they're checking us out on a regular basis (as opposed to wading through tons of garbage). I have no problem with this because I think it makes for a better product.
I have personally designed a multitude of cards, themes, mechanics, etc, that have seen print. And have at times had to debate heavily in their defense. So I find it extremely vindicating when WotC implements an idea of mine (either purposefully or coincidentally). Especially when it was a radical idea that was ill received from me and yet we'll received from WotC.
Remand, mine was called Nevermind and only targeted your spells. the idea was, if the stack got full of not-nice things, take your card back and try again.
Sanguine Bond, mine was a W/B enchantment called "Widening Scars" which came into play, each player chose an opponent. whenever a player gained life, their chosen opponent lost that much life.
Master Warcraft, mine was called "Revisions to the Front Line". when you cast this, you switch all of your opponent's attacking creatures with his/her non-attacking creatures. e.g. when the opponent attacks with A and B but leaves C, you cast this and A and B are no longer attacking but C is.
Also, I feel I had some sway toward the Timespiral block, I often posted "return to dominaria" and "what happened with so-and-so?"
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It's kind of amazing that you got the same name for a similar ability, but yours function more like equipment than enchantments. pretty cool though.
As you can see in my sig, I invented Burning Earth but I had it cost half as much and deal twice as much damage. I also had it affect nonbasic lands whenever they tap so that it would also make fetching painful.
Of course in retrospect my Price of Burning Earth is pretty ridiculously broken, but at the time that was on purpose. I wanted to nerf multicolor decks and make modern burn tier 1. Burning of Progress probably would have done that.
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Whenever a player would gain life, flip a coin. If heads, that player loses that much life instead. If tails sacrifice [card] and that player gains that life as per usual.
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You know it's a good design when they use it again. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=63277&page=26). Also, I was wrong about Oracle of Mul Daya, what they did to it improved the card so much and I had a lot of fun using it.
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Darwin and Wallace with evolution and Newton and Leibniz with calculus come to mind.
I'm not a lawyer, and card designs seem like a matter of copyright law, but I'm reminded of the patent law term "person having ordinary skill in the art" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_having_ordinary_skill_in_the_art)
So I don't take the thread title too seriously, and I figure most other people on this thread don't either.
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That being said, I found this in one of my old custom sets, this particular card dated 2009:
Splitstorm UR
Enchantment (U)
Whenever you cast one part of a split card, you may pay the mana costs of any other part(s) of that split card. If you do, put a copy of those other split-card part(s) on the stack.
Basically all split cards have fuse, except that mine made them separate copies. I have to say WotC came up with better terminology. I'll re-template mine accordingly: All split cards have Fuse. (You may cast any or all parts of those cards from your hand.)
[My wording accounts for splits with more than two parts - currently only Who/What/When/Where/Why from Unhinged in real Magic, but also Wine/Women/Song from one of my Un-sets]
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You didn't invent me bro
I invented the bounce land cycle on another forum... well after they came out. I was new to magic
This is a card that people told me wouldn't be printed because what would the point be, so that's hillarious.
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This? I think you're belittling the commenters in that thread a bit. They didn't say there was no point, they said +1/+3 and flying Mind Control on a 5 mana bestow would be too powerful. In fact in that thread .Rai suggested 7 mana bestow would be more reasonable, which is what Hypnotic Siren ended up being.
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