The questions in bold were the top-missed ones, per MaRo. Special mention goes to #2, which was most missed by the 47-49 correct crew.
1) Black
2) Uncommon
3) Lifelink, shroud
4) Blue-red
5) The discard ability. 6) +3/+3 apparently! - Most missed.
7) White
8) Common
9) Owner's hand to Controller's hand.
10) Red-white
11) Uncomplementary
12) Vigilance
13) Black
14) Rare
15) Add a drawback
16) 1U/blue
17) Easier to cost cards
18) Double strike
19) Make it instant or sorcery
20) No
21) Lands
22) Common
23) Don't mix-and-match counters
24) Indefinite games
25) No card types other than planeswalker.
26) Urza's Saga
27) War Priest of Thune
28) Infect 29) Landfallers have haste - 2nd most.
30) Johnny 31) Tap target creature - 4th most.
32) Last Gasp
33) Green
34) Flashback
35) Token creation
36) Design hates Spike
37) Color
38) 2+ creatures must block
39) Unlikely to show up in tournaments
40) Adds randomness
41) Green anti-enchantment sorcery
42) Cycling
43) Kamigawa block 44) Flanking not working against other flankers is unintuitive - 3rd most.
45) White
46) Devastating Summons
47) Change to nontoken 48) Seven - 5th most.
49) Martial Coup
50) Complexity creep
Anyone want to try to reverse-engineer the distribution?
1. Assume normal distribution.
2. Add up the number who got each question right to find the average score.
3. Find the standard deviation which gives us 101 people with score >= 44.
Geez, saved by the Canyon Minotaur. I missed 2 and don't entirely agree with the reasoning (picked common). I missed 6 because I was thinking really weirdly, but not in the way that most people seemed to be thinking (picked damage to attacking blocking creatures...don't ask). I missed 18 because I thought it was more important to make sense than to be restricted by a loose rarity precedent (picked trample). I totally missed the landfall=ability word, chose c there. Still not convinced that 33 is green and not white. The flanking question was just janky.
Questions I missed. Ones annotated with a star are, interestingly, ones I dithered on a bit (and had originally put the correct answer to):
2* - Said common; dithered a lot on this. I guess I consider lifelink weaker than R&D does.
6- Said B of course
22* - Said uncommon; also thought about it the wrong way.
29 - Said echo+deathtouch; got tricked.
31 - Said +1/+1; eyeballed C, but thought the wrong way.
33 - Said white; went back and forth on this one.
37 - Completely bombed; don't ask OKAY?!
40 - Said A; had to research it, but I had B and C originally, oddly.
48* - Said six; originally counted the Minotaur.
50* - Said D; originally had complexity creep marked on my paper too!
So had I not changed my answers after the first pass, I'd have passed. Go figure.
I got 45. I'd like to think that if were actually entering and not just breezing through I'd have gotten more, but I probably would have overthought just as many and gotten them wrong. The five I missed are exactly the five most-missed ones, except that I missed 35 instead of 29. I also apparently got 38 right sort of by accident, since I all but coin-flipped it. (I was going back and forth.)
I was surprised by the miss distributions on some of them; I mean, obviously there's going to be some where people misclick or misread the question, or are just goofing around, but 5, 27, 33 and 41 were basically free points (in my mind), but were all missed by over a quarter, while some that I had pegged as really hard were nailed by over 90%.
It's obvious why #6 was the most-missed question; almost every respondent chose to respond to the question as it's actually worded, instead of as "Which one of these abilities would we be most likely to print without pairint with flash?", which is what MaRo thinks the question says but which is another thing entirely. Then answer to "Which one of these people is least likely to beat me in a basketball game tomorrow?" is "Kobe", not "My Buddy Joel"; even though Kobe is better at basketball than my buddy Joel, the odds of me playing Kobe at all are pretty slim.
Anyone want to try to reverse-engineer the distribution?
1. Assume normal distribution.
2. Add up the number who got each question right to find the average score.
3. Find the standard deviation which gives us 101 people with score >= 44.
One of the questions doesn't have a distribution posted; assuming 700 people got it correct (it didn't seem hard) and I didn't make any entry errors, I think the average score was ~38.2. Then, assuming a normal distribution, a standard deviation of ~5.1 would put about 101 people over 44. Unfortunately, this distribution would also put 8 people at a perfect score, so I think the whole exercise is kind of pointless; a normal curve is probably not appropriate.
One of the questions doesn't have a distribution posted; assuming 700 people got it correct (it didn't seem hard) and I didn't make any entry errors, I think the average score was ~38.2. Then, assuming a normal distribution, a standard deviation of ~5.1 would put about 101 people over 44. Unfortunately, this distribution would also put 8 people at a perfect score, so I think the whole exercise is kind of pointless; a normal curve is probably not appropriate.
Hm...is there a better distribution for something like this?
One of the questions doesn't have a distribution posted; assuming 700 people got it correct (it didn't seem hard) and I didn't make any entry errors, I think the average score was ~38.2. Then, assuming a normal distribution, a standard deviation of ~5.1 would put about 101 people over 44. Unfortunately, this distribution would also put 8 people at a perfect score, so I think the whole exercise is kind of pointless; a normal curve is probably not appropriate.
It's probably a skewed distibution. Tail on the right side.
Doesn't it have a tail on the left, since the mean is so high and there's a maximum score? I assume it looks something like this:
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*
*
*
*
**
***
****
**
*
With the bottom being the right side of the distribution. (This is completely unscientific.)
With 101 passing total and 7 getting 47 or better, that leaves an average of around 31 for each of the three other passing scores.
Since I'd expect the lower scores to have more people with them, I'd guess something around 21 46s, 31 45s, and 41 44s.
This leads to something quite interesting: the number of people with 46 or more is very close to the number of people in the "yes" pile. Of course, I'd expect many lower-scorers are in this pile and many of the high-scorers aren't.
I got 6 wrong, as I saw that +3/+3 had been printed on a creature with flash in Lorwyn and didn't really consider it.
On 27 I said white knight, thinking that french vanilla counted more than a triggered ability.
I got 39 wrong, not noting that landfall was an ability word. I thought echo was the most jarring of the choices.
On 46 I chose clone for some reason.
On 48 I missed squadron hawk somehow and said 8.
As for #33. The reason that it is not white is that white imposes morality on the world. If the question was prefixed with, "Given that evil exists..." it would obviously not be white.
Quickly taking the test for fun, I get 43. Hard to say what it would translate to had I really took it. There's one or two where being tainted by the discussion worked in my favor (I'd most like have missed 30, answering Vorthos), but if I had taken the time to actually think over the questions might have given me a better score. I missed
16) I remembered blue getting 2/3vanillas for 2U, so 2/2 for 1 didn't seem much of a stretch. I forgot that black gets 3/2 for 2B, though. On the other other hand, red has gotten 2/3 and 3/2 (and this one recently) for 2R as well.
19) Should have gotten this with a bit of thinking. Damage equal to power was just too much of a draw.
31) I remembered that pinging moved to uncommon, but I missed the damage prevention move.
38) The Rhox ability has pretty much been retired. I suppose that a retired mechanic can be more likely to see print than an off-color mechanic.
44) Intuition vs limited interaction, I guess intuition is far more important.
46) My handle on the demographics is definitely lacking.
48) Here I may have suffered from being tainted by the discussion, but excluding vanillas from virtual vanillas seems more useful for discussion.
Where did you take the test for fun? I want to see how I would have done.
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Colourless mana comes FIRST! Try actually looking at a Magic card some time. It is NOT UU3, it's 3UU. What game are you making cards for?
I can no longer tell people to check their card names, because I am made of suck and fail.
5.) Misread the question, said C because I thought it was asking for the best change, not worst.
6.) Misunderstood the question. Thought it wanted the least likely to be on creature, not the one least neccessary to be used with flash. Said B.
22.) I just guessed uncommon, suck at differentiating common from uncommon.
28.) Misread the question, missed the NOT, so guessed the most modular, E.
29.) Missed the ability word aspect. Guessed C because giving multiple creatures a damaged based ability when you only want to be attacking with one seemed the most counterintuitive of all of them.
30.) Considered Johnny but I guessed Vorthos for flavor.
31.) Guessed +1/+1 as it seemed the most common.
32.) I thought Giant Growth, was just wrong
33.) I keyed in on the word pattern, thought it was blue, as they are all about science, understanding patterns and structure.
41.) Was just brain dead and picked C
44.) Bounced back and forth between A and C, guessed wrong.
46.) I guessed Clone thinking it was the least prone to having an intricately designed deck built around it.
48.) I didn't count the straight vanilla and thought Rotting Legions inability to block the turn it enters the battlefield counted against it.
Bane's Reading Suggestions David Eddings: The Belgariad, Mallorean, Elenium and Tamuli Series. The Redemption of Althalus Jim Butcher: The Codex Alera Series
I care less about us making mistakes that lead to degenerate environments than I am when we donβt push ourselves and make something thatβs boring to play. - MaRo
33 is one that I've seen a lot of people pick White for, but I thought it was quite obvious that is was Green.
It seems plenty of people saw the words "pattern" and "harmony" and assumed it was talking about White's concept of order, but look at what the sentences actually mean. It talks about accepting life as it is; that's not White at all. White doesn't accept the world around it, it wants to mold and sculpt it into something it deems moral and just. White will fight for change when it doesn't like the conditions around it, but will then fight to keep the status quo once it's in a form that it approves of. But White does not just accept what is handed to it, regardless.
Green is the color that accepts the world with all of its virtues and faults; it doesn't try to fight against the misfortunes and injustices that life hands us. It will only fight for its own survival, and to punish those who would try to upset the natural order.
I really need to learn to read italicized words... but then again I was rushing through this. Had this been a real test, I probably would have been more careful.
The questions in bold were the top-missed ones, per MaRo. Special mention goes to #2, which was most missed by the 47-49 correct crew.
1) Black
2) Uncommon
3) Lifelink, shroud
4) Blue-red
5) The discard ability.
6) +3/+3 apparently! - Most missed.
7) White
8) Common
9) Owner's hand to Controller's hand.
10) Red-white
11) Uncomplementary
12) Vigilance
13) Black
14) Rare
15) Add a drawback
16) 1U/blue
17) Easier to cost cards
18) Double strike
19) Make it instant or sorcery
20) No
21) Lands
22) Common
23) Don't mix-and-match counters
24) Indefinite games
25) No card types other than planeswalker.
26) Urza's Saga
27) War Priest of Thune
28) Infect
29) Landfallers have haste - 2nd most.
30) Johnny
31) Tap target creature - 4th most.
32) Last Gasp
33) Green
34) Flashback
35) Token creation
36) Design hates Spike
37) Color
38) 2+ creatures must block
39) Unlikely to show up in tournaments
40) Adds randomness
41) Green anti-enchantment sorcery
42) Cycling
43) Kamigawa block
44) Flanking not working against other flankers is unintuitive - 3rd most.
45) White
46) Devastating Summons
47) Change to nontoken
48) Seven - 5th most.
49) Martial Coup
50) Complexity creep
Past Ruminations
Links are broken, will fix in near future.
- Kaladesh
- Zendikar
- Rise of the Eldrazi
- Alara Reborn
- Innistrad <- Personal Favorite
- Dark Ascension
- Avacyn Restored
- Theros
- Return to Ravnica
- Tarkir
1. Assume normal distribution.
2. Add up the number who got each question right to find the average score.
3. Find the standard deviation which gives us 101 people with score >= 44.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
2* - Said common; dithered a lot on this. I guess I consider lifelink weaker than R&D does.
6- Said B of course
22* - Said uncommon; also thought about it the wrong way.
29 - Said echo+deathtouch; got tricked.
31 - Said +1/+1; eyeballed C, but thought the wrong way.
33 - Said white; went back and forth on this one.
37 - Completely bombed; don't ask OKAY?!
40 - Said A; had to research it, but I had B and C originally, oddly.
48* - Said six; originally counted the Minotaur.
50* - Said D; originally had complexity creep marked on my paper too!
So had I not changed my answers after the first pass, I'd have passed. Go figure.
Past Ruminations
Links are broken, will fix in near future.
- Kaladesh
- Zendikar
- Rise of the Eldrazi
- Alara Reborn
- Innistrad <- Personal Favorite
- Dark Ascension
- Avacyn Restored
- Theros
- Return to Ravnica
- Tarkir
I was surprised by the miss distributions on some of them; I mean, obviously there's going to be some where people misclick or misread the question, or are just goofing around, but 5, 27, 33 and 41 were basically free points (in my mind), but were all missed by over a quarter, while some that I had pegged as really hard were nailed by over 90%.
It's obvious why #6 was the most-missed question; almost every respondent chose to respond to the question as it's actually worded, instead of as "Which one of these abilities would we be most likely to print without pairint with flash?", which is what MaRo thinks the question says but which is another thing entirely. Then answer to "Which one of these people is least likely to beat me in a basketball game tomorrow?" is "Kobe", not "My Buddy Joel"; even though Kobe is better at basketball than my buddy Joel, the odds of me playing Kobe at all are pretty slim.
One of the questions doesn't have a distribution posted; assuming 700 people got it correct (it didn't seem hard) and I didn't make any entry errors, I think the average score was ~38.2. Then, assuming a normal distribution, a standard deviation of ~5.1 would put about 101 people over 44. Unfortunately, this distribution would also put 8 people at a perfect score, so I think the whole exercise is kind of pointless; a normal curve is probably not appropriate.
Hm...is there a better distribution for something like this?
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
It's probably a skewed distibution. Tail on the right side.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
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***
****
**
*
With the bottom being the right side of the distribution. (This is completely unscientific.)
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
If we assume 700 people answered question 12 correctly and that I didn't make any data entry errors, I think the mean is ~38.2
Since I'd expect the lower scores to have more people with them, I'd guess something around 21 46s, 31 45s, and 41 44s.
This leads to something quite interesting: the number of people with 46 or more is very close to the number of people in the "yes" pile. Of course, I'd expect many lower-scorers are in this pile and many of the high-scorers aren't.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
I got 6 wrong, as I saw that +3/+3 had been printed on a creature with flash in Lorwyn and didn't really consider it.
On 27 I said white knight, thinking that french vanilla counted more than a triggered ability.
I got 39 wrong, not noting that landfall was an ability word. I thought echo was the most jarring of the choices.
On 46 I chose clone for some reason.
On 48 I missed squadron hawk somehow and said 8.
As for #33. The reason that it is not white is that white imposes morality on the world. If the question was prefixed with, "Given that evil exists..." it would obviously not be white.
Where did you take the test for fun? I want to see how I would have done.
Colourless mana comes FIRST! Try actually looking at a Magic card some time. It is NOT UU3, it's 3UU. What game are you making cards for?
I can no longer tell people to check their card names, because I am made of suck and fail.
Past Ruminations
Links are broken, will fix in near future.
- Kaladesh
- Zendikar
- Rise of the Eldrazi
- Alara Reborn
- Innistrad <- Personal Favorite
- Dark Ascension
- Avacyn Restored
- Theros
- Return to Ravnica
- Tarkir
5.) Misread the question, said C because I thought it was asking for the best change, not worst.
6.) Misunderstood the question. Thought it wanted the least likely to be on creature, not the one least neccessary to be used with flash. Said B.
22.) I just guessed uncommon, suck at differentiating common from uncommon.
28.) Misread the question, missed the NOT, so guessed the most modular, E.
29.) Missed the ability word aspect. Guessed C because giving multiple creatures a damaged based ability when you only want to be attacking with one seemed the most counterintuitive of all of them.
30.) Considered Johnny but I guessed Vorthos for flavor.
31.) Guessed +1/+1 as it seemed the most common.
32.) I thought Giant Growth, was just wrong
33.) I keyed in on the word pattern, thought it was blue, as they are all about science, understanding patterns and structure.
41.) Was just brain dead and picked C
44.) Bounced back and forth between A and C, guessed wrong.
46.) I guessed Clone thinking it was the least prone to having an intricately designed deck built around it.
48.) I didn't count the straight vanilla and thought Rotting Legions inability to block the turn it enters the battlefield counted against it.
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Bane's Reading Suggestions
David Eddings: The Belgariad, Mallorean, Elenium and Tamuli Series. The Redemption of Althalus
Jim Butcher: The Codex Alera Series
It seems plenty of people saw the words "pattern" and "harmony" and assumed it was talking about White's concept of order, but look at what the sentences actually mean. It talks about accepting life as it is; that's not White at all. White doesn't accept the world around it, it wants to mold and sculpt it into something it deems moral and just. White will fight for change when it doesn't like the conditions around it, but will then fight to keep the status quo once it's in a form that it approves of. But White does not just accept what is handed to it, regardless.
Green is the color that accepts the world with all of its virtues and faults; it doesn't try to fight against the misfortunes and injustices that life hands us. It will only fight for its own survival, and to punish those who would try to upset the natural order.
R Citizen Cane (Feldon of the Third Path)
(I got 39. Though I did get #6 correct.)
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