Randomly looking at cards in the Wotc database and came across Rolling Earthquake; seemed like an interesting red sweeper but then again Firespout seems better.
Anywho as of right now, what do you guys think the best sweeper is right now in Legacy?
Take your pick. All useful for different decks and for different purposes. Personally Pernicious Deed is the most painful for my decks. And Engineered Explosives is usually paired with Academy Ruins for a repeatable sweeper. Terminus is also pretty punishing when paired with Brainstorm in miracles.deck
I think Pernicious Deed is the best sweeper available in Legacy, considering it hits almost everything while still leaving your Liliana/Jace on the board.
The problem with Deed is that green and black decks that are being played today tend to have key permanents that do get hit by Deed. Wasn't so long ago that you could play a BUG deck with basically no permanents aside from Deed, Jace, and Liliana. Innocent Blood and Liliana kept things from getting too out of hand before you could sweep the board with Deed, and then after that you were free to slam a Jace or start recurring Loam.
Sadly after the printing of stuff like Deathrite Shaman, Abrupt Decay, Shardless Agent, and Baleful Strix the face of BUG has changed a lot. There's more incentive to play permanents of your own, and less incentive to make something like Innocent Blood work.
But I do think that Deed will still be the most powerful sweeper in a vacuum.
Other common sweepers are Supreme Verdict out of various Stoneblade decks, Rough/Tumble out of RUG, Engineered Plague out of various black decks, Terminus out of Miracles, Perish (though with most black decks these days also being in green this one isn't seen as much), Pyroclasm out of Burning Wish combo decks, and Engineered Explosives is always strong in decks that can support casting it for three and above especially in conjunction with Academy Ruins.
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If you just want a sweeper in the board, i think the best in the format atm is pyroclasm. It hits everything but goyf from jund, deathblade, uwr delver, and shardless bug as well as destroying an elf player's board. The main thing is that it comes down turn 2 while deed comes down turn 3 and sweeps turn 4 (too slow for elves and tempo decks). Terminus requires a lot of build around, but in a vacuum, i think it's the strongest sweeper since you can use it turn 2 and doesn't really lose potency for the whole game.
Completely depends on the deck. I personally think Terminus is the best sweeper if your play U/W Control with top+jace+brainstorm as it can be played on your opponents turn.
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I'd go with Terminus or Supreme Verdict though both can be costly they are really powerful.
Pyroclasm is also great so is Volcanic Fallout if you are in red. Fallout costs 1 more R but uncountability is always nice as is shocking both players
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Pernicious Deed is not the ultimate sweeper, because it doesnt hit planeswalkers (=jace) :(.
I have kinda fallen in love with Cataclysm. It's so versatile in Death and Taxes sideboard! <3
Pernicious Deed is the ultimate sweeper BECAUSE it doesn't hit Planeswalkers. BUG has access to the best, and arguably second best Planeswalkers in the game in Jace and Liliana, and if you have ever been in the position/on the opposite end of a Jace/Liliana with Deed ready to be popped you know just how strong of a line that is. You wipe the board clean of everything except your Planeswalker, and from there they have free reign to take over the game.
The new legend rule does weaken this interaction, as they can also have an active Jace/Liliana after Deed, but there are plenty of ways to take care of Planeswalkers, so if you were really concerned with the mirror/pseudo mirror you can build with that in mind.
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Anywho as of right now, what do you guys think the best sweeper is right now in Legacy?
For red it'll be Bonfire of the Damned with Volcanic Fallout and Flamebreak sometimes being useful. And for hate sweeps you have cards like Meltdown and Anarchy.
Then you have Terminus, Supreme Verdict, Engineered Explosives, Ratchet Bomb (not as used as EE), Pernicious Deed, Damnation, All Is Dust. Plus Perish for an anti-green sweeper. I probably missed one or two.
Take your pick. All useful for different decks and for different purposes. Personally Pernicious Deed is the most painful for my decks. And Engineered Explosives is usually paired with Academy Ruins for a repeatable sweeper. Terminus is also pretty punishing when paired with Brainstorm in miracles.deck
I guess a sweeper in general. It doesn't really matter what it sweeps as long as it is actually viable in today's Legacy.
Agreed with the Deed.
targetable if you want it to be, devastating if you just want everything gone. plus leaves behind liliana to keep doing the good work
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if youre looking for a mono blue one, not sure why, but wash out is pretty handy
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I forgot rough was even a card. Its not bad but doesnt hit delver which can be a problem
The problem with Deed is that green and black decks that are being played today tend to have key permanents that do get hit by Deed. Wasn't so long ago that you could play a BUG deck with basically no permanents aside from Deed, Jace, and Liliana. Innocent Blood and Liliana kept things from getting too out of hand before you could sweep the board with Deed, and then after that you were free to slam a Jace or start recurring Loam.
Sadly after the printing of stuff like Deathrite Shaman, Abrupt Decay, Shardless Agent, and Baleful Strix the face of BUG has changed a lot. There's more incentive to play permanents of your own, and less incentive to make something like Innocent Blood work.
But I do think that Deed will still be the most powerful sweeper in a vacuum.
Other common sweepers are Supreme Verdict out of various Stoneblade decks, Rough/Tumble out of RUG, Engineered Plague out of various black decks, Terminus out of Miracles, Perish (though with most black decks these days also being in green this one isn't seen as much), Pyroclasm out of Burning Wish combo decks, and Engineered Explosives is always strong in decks that can support casting it for three and above especially in conjunction with Academy Ruins.
Bingo. If you're building around it, Terminus or Deed take the cake. I think Terminus is so backbreaking lol.
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Pyroclasm is also great so is Volcanic Fallout if you are in red. Fallout costs 1 more R but uncountability is always nice as is shocking both players
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i think it has a home in BUG Control and some Shardless bug builds
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Pernicious Deed is the ultimate sweeper BECAUSE it doesn't hit Planeswalkers. BUG has access to the best, and arguably second best Planeswalkers in the game in Jace and Liliana, and if you have ever been in the position/on the opposite end of a Jace/Liliana with Deed ready to be popped you know just how strong of a line that is. You wipe the board clean of everything except your Planeswalker, and from there they have free reign to take over the game.
The new legend rule does weaken this interaction, as they can also have an active Jace/Liliana after Deed, but there are plenty of ways to take care of Planeswalkers, so if you were really concerned with the mirror/pseudo mirror you can build with that in mind.