Specs are officially out and I've got to say it looks disappointing to me, all 'catchup' features that are 1-2 years behind already.
Looks like there's even less reason to go to 5 than there was for 4S to me - barring the durability improvements - even most peripherals are getting ousted with it requiring a $10-20 adapter described as 'clunky' to use some old peripherals.
It may be playing catchup, but it still feels better to use than any Android phone I've used.
Compared to the 4S it's a significant improvement; twice as fast, larger screen, some excellent graphics power, LTE, and the best phone camera on the market. It doesn't have NFC, but there's no adoption of that by anyone else either, besides some Android makers. For the sort of people who want iPhones, this is a very nice upgrade.
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Looks like there's even less reason to go to 5 than there was for 4S to me - barring the durability improvements - even most peripherals are getting ousted with it requiring a $10-20 adapter described as 'clunky' to use some old peripherals.
Why are people saying this? The 4S was clearly a more incremental upgrade from the iPhone 4 than the 4S to the 5. For the iPhone 5, the entire form factor changed and the phone increased to a 4" display!
It irks me that Apple didn't really reveal what was in the A6 chip, though. That was the most important detail that I was looking at. Any statement regarding whether Apple is, in fact, "ahead" or "behind" the competition is completely unsubstantiated without knowing what's in this chip.
It's the best iPhone yet, on its own merits. Not a game changer - new versions of the same product you've been selling aren't going to be game changers.
Technologically, it's catch up to the Galaxy line of phones. Any victories in their patent lawsuits are going to be nullified since their competitors stalled them long enough in court to render the pertinent products old news.
Apple must have problems if they're beginning to compete on price - I can't recall them competing on price in the past. The only place they could do that was the iPad - the rest of their products are always more money for less machine than the competition.
Why are people saying this? The 4S was clearly a more incremental upgrade from the iPhone 4 than the 4S to the 5. For the iPhone 5, the entire form factor changed and the phone increased to a 4" display!
It irks me that Apple didn't really reveal what was in the A6 chip, though. That was the most important detail that I was looking at. Any statement regarding whether Apple is, in fact, "ahead" or "behind" the competition is completely unsubstantiated without knowing what's in this chip.
Assuming it's the same A6 that info was leaked about months ago (and the recent leaks have all been accurate so the older one's likely are legit too) it's about half the horsepower of the S3/Nokia 920 with the same RAM on a slightly higher frequency - and on par with the high-end phones released late 2011/early 2012 besides the RAM advantage.
And keep in mind the increased display size is only for Apple official apps - anything made by a secondary developer will only use 3.5" just like before and will add black bars to the top and bottom with the image centered. Which includes almost all the cases where you'd really want to - watching video? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Reading a book? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Playing a game? 3.5" even if you did buy it via iTunes.
So for the majority of users it's going to be an extra row of icons for the extra screen size, and otherwise indistinguishable from earlier iterations. The case durability is the only thing that really is an improvement in my book. Hell, they're quoting a LOWER expected battery life than the 4S (10 hrs before, 8 hrs now)
I do love the durability improvements and the sounds of the new case material however - bro-in-law is getting an early release one on Friday for testing and is going to see how durable the liquimetal unibody construction fares - we both expect the durability to be drastically improved. [Which has been our 2nd largest complaint for he and I both - with the limitations of iOS itself being #1 for both of us - we diverge beyond that though]
And yes Jimbo, that is the one thing I will give them kudos for on the marketing side of things, is they do finally seem to be getting sane with their pricing (which used to be my #3 FYI, no longer however, clearly) - the crazy stoarage ones are pricy, but the baseline - like people will look at compared to the S3 and Nexus are the like are being priced similarly under 2 year contract FINALLY.
they use the same A6 chip as the s3 because samsung sold it to them
they finally got to LTE which the s3 had already been using.
That is untrue.
1) Galaxy SIII does not use an A6 chip.
2) All LTE variants of GSIII (including the American version) use a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, which ISN'T a Samsung chip
3) NO existing Samsung chips support LTE
4) We don't even know anything about the A6 chip or what it is.
I can say with absolute certainty that the iPhone 5 DOES NOT use the same Samsung SoCs as any of the current Galaxy S III variants because the iPhone 5 supports LTE. Furthermore, a sizable portion of GSIIIs do not even use Samsung chips.
Please link me to a source which indicates what is, in fact, in the A6 chip. Is it quad core? Dual core? How mamy ghz? ARM Cortex A9? Or A15?
Assuming it's the same A6 that info was leaked about months ago (and the recent leaks have all been accurate so the older one's likely are legit too) it's about half the horsepower of the S3/Nokia 920 with the same RAM on a slightly higher frequency - and on par with the high-end phones released late 2011/early 2012 besides the RAM advantage.
Because the spec doesn't matter if it doesn't feel faster. The 4S itself still feels smoother and launches apps faster than the S3's I've played with.
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And keep in mind the increased display size is only for Apple official apps - anything made by a secondary developer will only use 3.5" just like before and will add black bars to the top and bottom with the image centered. Which includes almost all the cases where you'd really want to - watching video? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Reading a book? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Playing a game? 3.5" even if you did buy it via iTunes.
Um, that's until apps update, which for most major apps should be even before the phone is released. Apps are no more going to be stuck at 3.5" than they were stuck with non-retina graphics.
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Chip speed isn't a big deal with these products. You can have a processor bank clocking in at 20 gHz in a phone and it wouldn't change anything since nobody would notice unless they were really ****ing weird.
The only people who really care about large amounts of computing power are 1) IT people who use it and 2) PC gamers. For everybody else, fast, reliable internet and programs are what is important. That's the genius behind items like the netbook and why crappy specs aren't a big deal - they don't need lots of processing power. A 2.5 gHz processor and a video card built into the mobo are more than enough everybody who isn't going to be doing PC gaming or hardware intensive business applications. Most users aren't these people.
On the LTE comments he was probably referencing that Qualcomm and Samsung both hold the largest number of LTE patents in the world - with Samsung holding 12% and Qualcomm holding 10%... and Apple holding.... Zero...
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Um, that's until apps update, which for most major apps should be even before the phone is released. Apps are no more going to be stuck at 3.5" than they were stuck with non-retina graphics.
Did you watch the same conference I did? He said that it would only apply to Apple designed software, period, end of sentence. Not "only Apple designed software at launch" like you're implying.
iOS6 development kit still has no references to the screen size - and note, for iPad release they had the resolution changes available in the development kit 3 months before the announcement of iPad in previous iterations. (One part of why there was so many rumors of the iPad coming before it was officially stated as coming)
As for app launch speed - it's apples and oranges since one multitasks and the other doesn't. DOS launched things far faster than Win95 back in the day, but the strength of multitasking outweighed it to most users - and when you aren't running bloatware in the background app speed is fundamentally identical. (especially "Live Wallpapers" - many are notoriously horrible for performance - I've seen one that can literally use up so much of the CPU or bandwidth that MTGS literally will load like 2 lines of text at a time every 3-4 seconds)
This is not true. the international version does use the A6 quad. the problem is that the one they used for the release isn't compatable with LTE. Which is why it wasn't released in america.
the next generation of the A6 chips are. Samsung is the one that makes these chips and that is who apple got their chips from.
I can say with absolute certainty that the iPhone 5 DOES NOT use the same Samsung SoCs as any of the current Galaxy S III variants because the iPhone 5 supports LTE. Furthermore, a sizable portion of GSIIIs do not even use Samsung chips.
Only in america the rest of the chips are using the A6 already and the next version of the S3 will as well.
Dual core, ARM Cortex-A15 is the processor being used in the I5.
The next phone coming from samsung is the new note which is being released with the exynos quad processors. LTE compatible.
so i would expect the next galaxy phone to run the same processor.
which would leave apple in the dust once again.
the I5 is a catch up model to what everyone else is already doing. in fact it is almost a copy of what everyone else is doing.
so i don't see why everyone is going OMG over this phone.
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People who are critical about what they buy aren't going OMG over it, it's basically an admission they're playing catch up in a field where their company is making most of its profits and losing market share.
For everyone else, you can get a superior product for less money. But, throwing more power into something isn't a big deal unless you can use that power. Brand alone won't carry Apple to boundless market success since they're not competitively priced.
People who are critical about what they buy aren't going OMG over it, it's basically an admission they're playing catch up in a field where their company is making most of its profits and losing market share.
For everyone else, you can get a superior product for less money. But, throwing more power into something isn't a big deal unless you can use that power. Brand alone won't carry Apple to boundless market success since they're not competitively priced.
The I5 is competitive as far as price. the base model is set at 199 compared to the usual 299.
if you want more storage then it is going to cost you.
the down side that is going to have people upset is that they are going to have to buy an adapter for their old docking stations.
cost is probably 10-20 bucks.
the thing is it doesn't offer anything that isn't already out there. people are going nuts over old technology.
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Did you watch the same conference I did? He said that it would only apply to Apple designed software, period, end of sentence. Not "only Apple designed software at launch" like you're implying.
iOS6 development kit still has no references to the screen size - and note, for iPad release they had the resolution changes available in the development kit 3 months before the announcement of iPad in previous iterations. (One part of why there was so many rumors of the iPad coming before it was officially stated as coming)
...no, he didn't say that. He said all Apple software would already be updated, and third party apps that hadn't been updated would be letterboxed. The new APIs for this are right there in the Xcode 4.5 SDK; I'm using them right now to update an app. You're unambiguously wrong.
Moreover, on stage, he showed off several third party apps given prerelease access to the new SDK, like CNN and Clumsy Ninja.
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As for app launch speed - it's apples and oranges since one multitasks and the other doesn't. DOS launched things far faster than Win95 back in the day, but the strength of multitasking outweighed it to most users - and when you aren't running bloatware in the background app speed is fundamentally identical. (especially "Live Wallpapers" - many are notoriously horrible for performance - I've seen one that can literally use up so much of the CPU or bandwidth that MTGS literally will load like 2 lines of text at a time every 3-4 seconds)
So if I spend an hour tweaking my phone I can get it to run maybe as fast as an iPhone right out of the box? Oh cool thanks
People who are critical about what they buy aren't going OMG over it, it's basically an admission they're playing catch up in a field where their company is making most of its profits and losing market share.
What are you talking about? Both the 4S and the 5 were $199 for 16GB, the base model.
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The black slate looks great, the best looking iPhone and I think making it taller is a massive improvement, not to mention they changed their earbud design for all their products AND the charger.
Lots of new improvements and it will be my first iPhone.
I buy a new iPhone every other update, so going from a 4 to a 5 is going to be a good jump for me (skipped the 4S.)
For as long as the iPhone has been around there's been iPhone haters. First it was "it's too big, no Verizon, no multiple apps at one time, etc." Every generation things are worked out and a better iPhone is available, but people come up with the same excuses not to like it. Now "it's not big enough!" is one of the major complaints from the same people who were saying the original was too big! Hah. I love it.
Finally, I've sold a few used iPhones (for my wife and myself) on ebay and each time I was able to get $130-170 for them ($200 purchase price.) That right there basically negates the up front cost.
And, as mentioned above, the general phone user doesn't care if it's an A6 chip or a potato chip, as long as their apps open quickly.
For as long as the iPhone has been around there's been iPhone haters. First it was "it's too big, no Verizon, no multiple apps at one time, etc." Every generation things are worked out and a better iPhone is available, but people come up with the same excuses not to like it. Now "it's not big enough!" is one of the major complaints from the same people who were saying the original was too big! Hah. I love it.
I don't hate the iphone. I don't like th hype that it goes over minor if insignificant improvements. more so when the I5 is nothing more than a catch up phone to what everyone else is already doing and has been.
It wasn't on verizon because ATT had like a 8 year exclusive license with apple.
I personally don't use apple products probably won't either.
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This is not true. the international version does use the A6 quad. the problem is that the one they used for the release isn't compatable with LTE. Which is why it wasn't released in america.
Wrong. The Samsung Galaxy S III international version uses Samsung Exynos 4 Quad. Refer to a source that states the A6 s an Exynos.
Only in america the rest of the chips are using the A6 already and the next version of the S3 will as well.
Wrong. Refer to same wiki article. The Japanese and Canadian variants do not use an Exynos chip either.
Dual core, ARM Cortex-A15 is the processor being used in the I5.
Source? Do note that this contradicts your earlier assertion that the Samsung and the iPhone use the same Samsung processor.
The dual-core ARM Cortex A15 is a Qualcomm processor. Samsung's lineup currently does not have any A15 processors. Furthermore, an A6 cannot possibly be an Exynos if it's dual core because the GSIII Exynos is quad.
Source? Do note that this contradicts your earlier assertion that the Samsung and the iPhone use the same Samsung processor.
The dual-core ARM Cortex A15 is a Qualcomm processor. Samsung's lineup currently does not have any A15 processors. Furthermore, an A6 cannot possibly be an Exynos if it's dual core because the GSIII Exynos is quad.
Are you catching your own mistakes?
I am fine you are all over the place.
I said that the Iphone is using the A6 which is made by samsung which they are using in their phones.
The next phone that samsung is rolling out with is the note 2.
A6 is a dual-core Cortex-A15 undertaking, made with Samsung's 32nm process
The thing about the whole I5 release is that it isn't that big of a deal. The only people going to be hyped about it are people that are hyped with anything that apple puts out or people that don't have a clue. People that understand technology are like eh.
What it is going to come down to is OS IOS or android.
Nice to see improvement being made and more market competition and the rise in GDP that is reported to eventually come.... Until it has a light saber feature, I'm not impressed.
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Nice to see improvement being made and more market competition and the rise in GDP that is reported to eventually come.... Until it has a light saber feature, I'm not impressed.
I've had a lightsaber on my ipod for a long time now
A big help for Google would be to remove the open source "feature" of Android and for Google to take more firm control over the OS. One of the biggest things for Apple is that a person can pick up an iPhone, an iPod, or an iPad and use it easily because the OS is the same across all three. Nothing really changed except the screen size. With Android, even the appearance of the OS can be drastically different from device to device.
That's if you trust google. On the cheaper phones these manufacturers would likely go back to running some kind of homegrown OS to ensure the carriers got their bloat in.
Carriers put their own stuff on it to give it a good out of the box feel. Just like you don't get a blank laptop to work with, you don't get a blank phone. Retailers have learned over time that most people don't like to get all their basic apps stuff a la carte. The problem is when they make it hard to get rid of the stock stuff (IE bundled in windows et).
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So if I spend an hour tweaking my phone I can get it to run maybe as fast as an iPhone right out of the box? Oh cool thanks
Initial boot up time for a Nexus model, you know the one that's actually directly equivalent.
And I doubt the phone you were referencing was "immediately out of box" if it was in fact an S3 - S3 doesn't have much base bloatware at all for the Sprint models I've played with a bit.
Look at it like a PC - I've got 6 PCs in my home right now - the fastest CPU of which is in the father in laws machine that I'm in the process of cleaning up (its actually an i7, my gaming machines are B555 X2 overclocked heavily) - but because he's got so many TSR's running on the damn machine he's got literally 12 minutes of boot time (standard drive FYI) and shutter-screen switches between tabs. Versus the 45 sec boot times I had previous to changing these over the SSD (7 sec now~)
And I doubt you saw it with 4.1.4, which is ridiculously fast - just finally got approved for it on mine last night, doing the "Siri" style commands it's actually not even a lead time of a second before it's responding - I'm actually annoyed that it's TOO fast, comes across like someone interjecting an answer sharply because of how fast it is.
4.0.4 which is what most S3's still have even today from what I can tell (Sprint's not released official 4.1.4 yet, and doesn't look like Verizon or AT&T have yet either - so only people that root would if that's accurate) was a bit bogged down compared to whatever the previous 2.x version was.
What are you talking about? Both the 4S and the 5 were $199 for 16GB, the base model.
4S at Sprint in June of this year when I upgraded to my Nexus was $299/$399 with a contract. Perhaps you saw a promotion somewhere, or you're mentally factoring in a rebate of some sort.
(For comparison the Nexus and S3 were both $249 at the time - Nexus with a $50 rebate)
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And apparently I got the word slightly wrong - the simulator isn't doing it right and you've got to hack it to actually bug hunt without the device.
Which is a rather important part of the development kit to be missing for the time being. (And which was available pre-iPad before)
A big help for Google would be to remove the open source "feature" of Android and for Google to take more firm control over the OS. One of the biggest things for Apple is that a person can pick up an iPhone, an iPod, or an iPad and use it easily because the OS is the same across all three. Nothing really changed except the screen size. With Android, even the appearance of the OS can be drastically different from device to device.
Rumormill is that this years "Nexus" phones will be an entire line from different manufacturers with a set or core specs, all with the normal Nexus no-bloat rules/etc.
I've got my doubts in the rumors though, since Google bought Motorola so recently though - I can't imagine they wouldn't want to include their new corporate child into the mix when they do.
I don't really think the iPhone 5 did enough in today's market. They aren't pushing the envelope. It wasn't enough to woo me. I like Apple, but Samsung is currently king of the Cell market. This of course is often a short lived title.
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Looks like there's even less reason to go to 5 than there was for 4S to me - barring the durability improvements - even most peripherals are getting ousted with it requiring a $10-20 adapter described as 'clunky' to use some old peripherals.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Compared to the 4S it's a significant improvement; twice as fast, larger screen, some excellent graphics power, LTE, and the best phone camera on the market. It doesn't have NFC, but there's no adoption of that by anyone else either, besides some Android makers. For the sort of people who want iPhones, this is a very nice upgrade.
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Why are people saying this? The 4S was clearly a more incremental upgrade from the iPhone 4 than the 4S to the 5. For the iPhone 5, the entire form factor changed and the phone increased to a 4" display!
It irks me that Apple didn't really reveal what was in the A6 chip, though. That was the most important detail that I was looking at. Any statement regarding whether Apple is, in fact, "ahead" or "behind" the competition is completely unsubstantiated without knowing what's in this chip.
I looked at them as well. they copied the galaxy s3 and put it on the market.
they use the same A6 chip as the s3 because samsung sold it to them.
they finally got to LTE which the s3 had already been using.
the 4" screen is still smaller than the s3.
then there is the connection issue unless you want to buy the adapter which seems to be wierd anyway.
this is the perfect marketing tool for apple people though. if you look at the price the base iphone is going to be 199.
this christmas if i can still get it i will be getting the s3. that or i will switch to htc and get there's.
apple people are going to go nuts over things that other people have already been using.
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Technologically, it's catch up to the Galaxy line of phones. Any victories in their patent lawsuits are going to be nullified since their competitors stalled them long enough in court to render the pertinent products old news.
Apple must have problems if they're beginning to compete on price - I can't recall them competing on price in the past. The only place they could do that was the iPad - the rest of their products are always more money for less machine than the competition.
Assuming it's the same A6 that info was leaked about months ago (and the recent leaks have all been accurate so the older one's likely are legit too) it's about half the horsepower of the S3/Nokia 920 with the same RAM on a slightly higher frequency - and on par with the high-end phones released late 2011/early 2012 besides the RAM advantage.
And keep in mind the increased display size is only for Apple official apps - anything made by a secondary developer will only use 3.5" just like before and will add black bars to the top and bottom with the image centered. Which includes almost all the cases where you'd really want to - watching video? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Reading a book? Unless you bought it via iTunes, 3.5". Playing a game? 3.5" even if you did buy it via iTunes.
So for the majority of users it's going to be an extra row of icons for the extra screen size, and otherwise indistinguishable from earlier iterations. The case durability is the only thing that really is an improvement in my book. Hell, they're quoting a LOWER expected battery life than the 4S (10 hrs before, 8 hrs now)
I do love the durability improvements and the sounds of the new case material however - bro-in-law is getting an early release one on Friday for testing and is going to see how durable the liquimetal unibody construction fares - we both expect the durability to be drastically improved. [Which has been our 2nd largest complaint for he and I both - with the limitations of iOS itself being #1 for both of us - we diverge beyond that though]
And yes Jimbo, that is the one thing I will give them kudos for on the marketing side of things, is they do finally seem to be getting sane with their pricing (which used to be my #3 FYI, no longer however, clearly) - the crazy stoarage ones are pricy, but the baseline - like people will look at compared to the S3 and Nexus are the like are being priced similarly under 2 year contract FINALLY.
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1) Galaxy SIII does not use an A6 chip.
2) All LTE variants of GSIII (including the American version) use a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, which ISN'T a Samsung chip
3) NO existing Samsung chips support LTE
4) We don't even know anything about the A6 chip or what it is.
I can say with absolute certainty that the iPhone 5 DOES NOT use the same Samsung SoCs as any of the current Galaxy S III variants because the iPhone 5 supports LTE. Furthermore, a sizable portion of GSIIIs do not even use Samsung chips.
Please link me to a source which indicates what is, in fact, in the A6 chip. Is it quad core? Dual core? How mamy ghz? ARM Cortex A9? Or A15?
Because the spec doesn't matter if it doesn't feel faster. The 4S itself still feels smoother and launches apps faster than the S3's I've played with.
Um, that's until apps update, which for most major apps should be even before the phone is released. Apps are no more going to be stuck at 3.5" than they were stuck with non-retina graphics.
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The only people who really care about large amounts of computing power are 1) IT people who use it and 2) PC gamers. For everybody else, fast, reliable internet and programs are what is important. That's the genius behind items like the netbook and why crappy specs aren't a big deal - they don't need lots of processing power. A 2.5 gHz processor and a video card built into the mobo are more than enough everybody who isn't going to be doing PC gaming or hardware intensive business applications. Most users aren't these people.
Did you watch the same conference I did? He said that it would only apply to Apple designed software, period, end of sentence. Not "only Apple designed software at launch" like you're implying.
iOS6 development kit still has no references to the screen size - and note, for iPad release they had the resolution changes available in the development kit 3 months before the announcement of iPad in previous iterations. (One part of why there was so many rumors of the iPad coming before it was officially stated as coming)
As for app launch speed - it's apples and oranges since one multitasks and the other doesn't. DOS launched things far faster than Win95 back in the day, but the strength of multitasking outweighed it to most users - and when you aren't running bloatware in the background app speed is fundamentally identical. (especially "Live Wallpapers" - many are notoriously horrible for performance - I've seen one that can literally use up so much of the CPU or bandwidth that MTGS literally will load like 2 lines of text at a time every 3-4 seconds)
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This is not true. the international version does use the A6 quad. the problem is that the one they used for the release isn't compatable with LTE. Which is why it wasn't released in america.
the next generation of the A6 chips are. Samsung is the one that makes these chips and that is who apple got their chips from.
Only in america the rest of the chips are using the A6 already and the next version of the S3 will as well.
Dual core, ARM Cortex-A15 is the processor being used in the I5.
The next phone coming from samsung is the new note which is being released with the exynos quad processors. LTE compatible.
so i would expect the next galaxy phone to run the same processor.
which would leave apple in the dust once again.
the I5 is a catch up model to what everyone else is already doing. in fact it is almost a copy of what everyone else is doing.
so i don't see why everyone is going OMG over this phone.
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For everyone else, you can get a superior product for less money. But, throwing more power into something isn't a big deal unless you can use that power. Brand alone won't carry Apple to boundless market success since they're not competitively priced.
The I5 is competitive as far as price. the base model is set at 199 compared to the usual 299.
if you want more storage then it is going to cost you.
the down side that is going to have people upset is that they are going to have to buy an adapter for their old docking stations.
cost is probably 10-20 bucks.
the thing is it doesn't offer anything that isn't already out there. people are going nuts over old technology.
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...no, he didn't say that. He said all Apple software would already be updated, and third party apps that hadn't been updated would be letterboxed. The new APIs for this are right there in the Xcode 4.5 SDK; I'm using them right now to update an app. You're unambiguously wrong.
Moreover, on stage, he showed off several third party apps given prerelease access to the new SDK, like CNN and Clumsy Ninja.
So if I spend an hour tweaking my phone I can get it to run maybe as fast as an iPhone right out of the box? Oh cool thanks
What are you talking about? Both the 4S and the 5 were $199 for 16GB, the base model.
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Lots of new improvements and it will be my first iPhone.
LOL
For as long as the iPhone has been around there's been iPhone haters. First it was "it's too big, no Verizon, no multiple apps at one time, etc." Every generation things are worked out and a better iPhone is available, but people come up with the same excuses not to like it. Now "it's not big enough!" is one of the major complaints from the same people who were saying the original was too big! Hah. I love it.
Finally, I've sold a few used iPhones (for my wife and myself) on ebay and each time I was able to get $130-170 for them ($200 purchase price.) That right there basically negates the up front cost.
And, as mentioned above, the general phone user doesn't care if it's an A6 chip or a potato chip, as long as their apps open quickly.
I don't hate the iphone. I don't like th hype that it goes over minor if insignificant improvements. more so when the I5 is nothing more than a catch up phone to what everyone else is already doing and has been.
It wasn't on verizon because ATT had like a 8 year exclusive license with apple.
I personally don't use apple products probably won't either.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III
Wrong. Refer to same wiki article. The Japanese and Canadian variants do not use an Exynos chip either.
Source? Do note that this contradicts your earlier assertion that the Samsung and the iPhone use the same Samsung processor.
The dual-core ARM Cortex A15 is a Qualcomm processor. Samsung's lineup currently does not have any A15 processors. Furthermore, an A6 cannot possibly be an Exynos if it's dual core because the GSIII Exynos is quad.
Are you catching your own mistakes?
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id6330
here are the specs for the I5.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Apple-iPhone-5_id7378
I am fine you are all over the place.
I said that the Iphone is using the A6 which is made by samsung which they are using in their phones.
The next phone that samsung is rolling out with is the note 2.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-GALAXY-Note-II_id7254
which will feature the exynos processors.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-Apple-iPhone-5-the-first-handset-with-Cortex-A15-processor-cores-Analysts-think-so_id34444
A6 is a dual-core Cortex-A15 undertaking, made with Samsung's 32nm process
The thing about the whole I5 release is that it isn't that big of a deal. The only people going to be hyped about it are people that are hyped with anything that apple puts out or people that don't have a clue. People that understand technology are like eh.
What it is going to come down to is OS IOS or android.
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That's if you trust google. On the cheaper phones these manufacturers would likely go back to running some kind of homegrown OS to ensure the carriers got their bloat in.
Carriers put their own stuff on it to give it a good out of the box feel. Just like you don't get a blank laptop to work with, you don't get a blank phone. Retailers have learned over time that most people don't like to get all their basic apps stuff a la carte. The problem is when they make it hard to get rid of the stock stuff (IE bundled in windows et).
Initial boot up time for a Nexus model, you know the one that's actually directly equivalent.
And I doubt the phone you were referencing was "immediately out of box" if it was in fact an S3 - S3 doesn't have much base bloatware at all for the Sprint models I've played with a bit.
Look at it like a PC - I've got 6 PCs in my home right now - the fastest CPU of which is in the father in laws machine that I'm in the process of cleaning up (its actually an i7, my gaming machines are B555 X2 overclocked heavily) - but because he's got so many TSR's running on the damn machine he's got literally 12 minutes of boot time (standard drive FYI) and shutter-screen switches between tabs. Versus the 45 sec boot times I had previous to changing these over the SSD (7 sec now~)
And I doubt you saw it with 4.1.4, which is ridiculously fast - just finally got approved for it on mine last night, doing the "Siri" style commands it's actually not even a lead time of a second before it's responding - I'm actually annoyed that it's TOO fast, comes across like someone interjecting an answer sharply because of how fast it is.
4.0.4 which is what most S3's still have even today from what I can tell (Sprint's not released official 4.1.4 yet, and doesn't look like Verizon or AT&T have yet either - so only people that root would if that's accurate) was a bit bogged down compared to whatever the previous 2.x version was.
4S at Sprint in June of this year when I upgraded to my Nexus was $299/$399 with a contract. Perhaps you saw a promotion somewhere, or you're mentally factoring in a rebate of some sort.
(For comparison the Nexus and S3 were both $249 at the time - Nexus with a $50 rebate)
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And apparently I got the word slightly wrong - the simulator isn't doing it right and you've got to hack it to actually bug hunt without the device.
Which is a rather important part of the development kit to be missing for the time being. (And which was available pre-iPad before)
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Rumormill is that this years "Nexus" phones will be an entire line from different manufacturers with a set or core specs, all with the normal Nexus no-bloat rules/etc.
I've got my doubts in the rumors though, since Google bought Motorola so recently though - I can't imagine they wouldn't want to include their new corporate child into the mix when they do.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.