What's all this Hunt talk? He isn't in this game...
He caught me in Barebones Mafia with the same sort of no lynch reaction test that I just did with Grapefruit.
But seriously, look at grapefruit's thought process here: what townie sees an obviously non serious vote in RVS and tries immediately to put that person on the back foot?
ok I guess its either D_V or Grapefruit at this point
GROWL rawr rawr growl
(I suppose you disagree with the strategy of 'let everyone do things, then shoot who you think is scum based on D1 talkings', then? I am curious as to why.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
ok I guess its either D_V or Grapefruit at this point
GROWL rawr rawr growl
(I suppose you disagree with the strategy of 'let everyone do things, then shoot who you think is scum based on D1 talkings', then? I am curious as to why.)
I explained it earlier, but with the bus driver alive we cannot afford to shoot.
The vigilantes should function as vanilla town until the bus driver is lynched.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
@AG Shadow says he caught me in the same way Huntz caught him. I said it was backwards because my suggestion was all pro lynch while in Bare Bones (I thought, double checking now) shadow was caught speculating about the pro's of no lynching.
Hmm, I guess I was just a little confused. Do you think scum are more likely to push no-lynching or push against no-lynching?
@shadow, can you answer my question in #46?
Shooting after a day 1 mislynch has the decent chance of just losing N1. If we can hit either scum day 1 we should be safe (although hitting scum is much less likely).
The problem with the no lynching and shooting at night argument is that they have no good evidence to support their stance. So D_V, GJ, killjoy and shadow, why do you vote no lynch?
The problem with the no lynching and shooting at night argument is that they have no good evidence to support their stance. So D_V, GJ, killjoy and shadow, why do you vote no lynch?
Blind shots are the best way to play this set up imo.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Rawr growl RAWR
(Which is a fact which prompted my suggestion that we wait a while before voting to not lynch. Allowing the Vigs to shoot based on behavior is much more reliable than randomly shooting. And even if the Bus Driver swaps a member of the Town with his fellow Mafia member, he can't guarantee that one of the Vigs aren't shooting the Town member he's targeted.
It's actually for that reason that I am opting to decline to give reads on people Day 1. So that the Mafia doesn't know my intended target (if I am indeed one of those Vigs).
I intend to sit back, ask some questions, and when enough has happened, end the Day in No-Lynch and shoot (or will I?) my scummiest target (or maybe my Towniest, attempting to outthink the Bus Driver) and we can see who still breathes at the advent of Day 2.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Feel comfortable with KJ being town, but not enough to bet the game on it. Him being a Dinosaur makes me want to town read him more than I should. DV is the lynch here.
How is your vote both "fishing for reactions" and a "RVS option"?
All RVS votes are meant to garner reactions, that's the whole point of RVS. No Lynch as my vote was just means to an end of looking for mindset dissonance. And it worked, look at Grapefruit's progression.
The problem with the no lynching and shooting at night argument is that they have no good evidence to support their stance. So D_V, GJ, killjoy and shadow, why do you vote no lynch?
Especially given the whole reason you were scum reading me in the first place was my overzealous commitment to the group plan of making sure we lynch D1.
@Shadow I don't think D_V blatantly calls his buddy town like that.
Why not?
Quote from Grapefruit »
Also Shadow you say this:
Quote from Shadow »
I agree, planning actions/hinting actions in thread is a horrible idea.
Also, based on the Grapefruit/DV interactions and subsequent cross voting, I don't see them as partners here basically ever.
followed by this:
Quote from Shadow »
Lynch Grapefruit, no commitment to any group plan.
Seems like a bit of a contradiction, no?
How is that a contradiction at all? Planning in thread is a terrible idea, so my preferred course of action is to not commit to any group plan [because as I said, it's a terrible idea].
Especially given the whole reason you were scum reading me in the first place was my overzealous commitment to the group plan of making sure we lynch D1.
I'm scum reading you because your words and your actions don't line up with a townie mindset, saying its because you were zealous about ensuring we didn't no lynch is missing the point. And your pandering to me by calling me town, but still kinda throwing shade at me, "I think you're town, but lol you're totally contradicting yourself."
@Shadow I can think you're town and think you're contradicting yourself. I think scum would be more careful than to say they wanted to lynch me for not committing to a group plan in almost the same breath as saying you believe that not committing to one is the correct course of action. I know you're not that careless as scum.
As for GJ being town, I doubt DV would be that blatant. I could be wrong on GJ, but he's never the lynch today for his behaviour.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Rawr growl RAWR
(Which is a fact which prompted my suggestion that we wait a while before voting to not lynch. Allowing the Vigs to shoot based on behavior is much more reliable than randomly shooting. And even if the Bus Driver swaps a member of the Town with his fellow Mafia member, he can't guarantee that one of the Vigs aren't shooting the Town member he's targeted.
It's actually for that reason that I am opting to decline to give reads on people Day 1. So that the Mafia doesn't know my intended target (if I am indeed one of those Vigs).
I intend to sit back, ask some questions, and when enough has happened, end the Day in No-Lynch and shoot (or will I?) my scummiest target (or maybe my Towniest, attempting to outthink the Bus Driver) and we can see who still breathes at the advent of Day 2.)
What caused you to change your stance on no-lynching so quickly?
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Rawr growl RAWR
(Which is a fact which prompted my suggestion that we wait a while before voting to not lynch. Allowing the Vigs to shoot based on behavior is much more reliable than randomly shooting. And even if the Bus Driver swaps a member of the Town with his fellow Mafia member, he can't guarantee that one of the Vigs aren't shooting the Town member he's targeted.
It's actually for that reason that I am opting to decline to give reads on people Day 1. So that the Mafia doesn't know my intended target (if I am indeed one of those Vigs).
I intend to sit back, ask some questions, and when enough has happened, end the Day in No-Lynch and shoot (or will I?) my scummiest target (or maybe my Towniest, attempting to outthink the Bus Driver) and we can see who still breathes at the advent of Day 2.)
What caused you to change your stance on no-lynching so quickly?
RAWR RAWR *Tim Taylor grunt*
(I'm not sure what you mean. My position referring to no-lynching hasn't changed in the slightest. I've always been for not lynching, provided we wait a time.
Also, I'd prefer we not lynch D_V, Grapefruit, Ophidia, or anyone as no lynching is the route we should go today.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rawr
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Rawr growl RAWR
(Which is a fact which prompted my suggestion that we wait a while before voting to not lynch. Allowing the Vigs to shoot based on behavior is much more reliable than randomly shooting. And even if the Bus Driver swaps a member of the Town with his fellow Mafia member, he can't guarantee that one of the Vigs aren't shooting the Town member he's targeted.
It's actually for that reason that I am opting to decline to give reads on people Day 1. So that the Mafia doesn't know my intended target (if I am indeed one of those Vigs).
I intend to sit back, ask some questions, and when enough has happened, end the Day in No-Lynch and shoot (or will I?) my scummiest target (or maybe my Towniest, attempting to outthink the Bus Driver) and we can see who still breathes at the advent of Day 2.)
What caused you to change your stance on no-lynching so quickly?
RAWR RAWR *Tim Taylor grunt*
(I'm not sure what you mean. My position referring to no-lynching hasn't changed in the slightest. I've always been for not lynching, provided we wait a time.
Also, I'd prefer we not lynch D_V, Grapefruit, Ophidia, or anyone as no lynching is the route we should go today.)
Why did you specify those three?
Had a sick run out in my MU game. You have my full attention now
(Those are the three that have been really under suspicion that I recalled at the time I wrote that post. Short of seeing something that says to me "this person is absolutely scum", I intend to vote no-lynch today.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KJ: Look at Grapefruit, he did the exact thing I did as scum in Barebones. His backing up and calling me town, then voting DV and in the same breath /barning his GJ read all feels like he got caught and wants to play it off and try and buy a day.
KJ: Look at Grapefruit, he did the exact thing I did as scum in Barebones. His backing up and calling me town, then voting DV and in the same breath /barning his GJ read all feels like he got caught and wants to play it off and try and buy a day.
Cause hes your scum buddy?
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, that Grapes/Shadow conflict was dumb.
But seriously, look at grapefruit's thought process here: what townie sees an obviously non serious vote in RVS and tries immediately to put that person on the back foot?
DV (1) - ophidia
gentleman johnny (1) - atheistgod
grapefruit (1) - shadow
shadow (1) - DV
not voting (3) - killjoy, gentleman johnny, grapefruit
(I suppose you disagree with the strategy of 'let everyone do things, then shoot who you think is scum based on D1 talkings', then? I am curious as to why.)
Not that post just his general overtone.
His scum games are painfully obvious to me.
This doesn't quite feel that way.
I explained it earlier, but with the bus driver alive we cannot afford to shoot.
The vigilantes should function as vanilla town until the bus driver is lynched.
Like cops, is there a reason the doctor or bulletproof should claim?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The miller on the other hand is bad for town if unclaimed.
Yes the Mafia will swap with a town,
but with Equal chance of people shooting at town or mafia it doesn't mater.
The only time it gets really *****ty is if they hit our doc. Which is statistically improbable.
(I am of the opinion that no one should claim, and we should operate collectively under the assumption that everyone has the role of 1-Shot Vigilante until such time as that proves untrue. I disagree with Ophidia that we should not shoot barring the death of the Bus Driver role. The Bus Driver has as much chance of pulling his buddy out of the way as he does pushing them into the way of one of our collective shots. Not shooting benefits enemies of the Town more than the Town itself, just as no-lynching early does, I would think.)
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
But still there would be 4town vs 2 maf to shoot, which means that it is statistically easier to hit town than scum.
Hmm, I guess I was just a little confused. Do you think scum are more likely to push no-lynching or push against no-lynching?
@shadow, can you answer my question in #46?
Shooting after a day 1 mislynch has the decent chance of just losing N1. If we can hit either scum day 1 we should be safe (although hitting scum is much less likely).
Blind shots are the best way to play this set up imo.
Pretty certain grapfruit is scum.
Unvote Vote Grape
(Which is a fact which prompted my suggestion that we wait a while before voting to not lynch. Allowing the Vigs to shoot based on behavior is much more reliable than randomly shooting. And even if the Bus Driver swaps a member of the Town with his fellow Mafia member, he can't guarantee that one of the Vigs aren't shooting the Town member he's targeted.
It's actually for that reason that I am opting to decline to give reads on people Day 1. So that the Mafia doesn't know my intended target (if I am indeed one of those Vigs).
I intend to sit back, ask some questions, and when enough has happened, end the Day in No-Lynch and shoot (or will I?) my scummiest target (or maybe my Towniest, attempting to outthink the Bus Driver) and we can see who still breathes at the advent of Day 2.)
AG, why do I always want to kill you?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
a) a scum has been killed or
B) only town was killed?
Also, based on the Grapefruit/DV interactions and subsequent cross voting, I don't see them as partners here basically ever.
Also Shadow you say this:
followed by this:
Seems like a bit of a contradiction, no?
DV (2) - ophidia, grapefruit
grapefruit (2) - shadow, DV
gentleman johnny (1) - atheistgod
not voting (2) - killjoy, gentleman johnny
7 alive. 4 to lynch.
Frankly Ophidia might be the scummiest person in this game.
Unvote Vote Ophidia
As for GJ being town, I doubt DV would be that blatant. I could be wrong on GJ, but he's never the lynch today for his behaviour.
What caused you to change your stance on no-lynching so quickly?
No idea. How many games has it been?
Do you have a link to GJ being painfully obvious scum? I'd like to read it.
@Thread can we lynch D_V and start the shooting yet?
Why you said you'd lynch him.
RAWR RAWR *Tim Taylor grunt*
(I'm not sure what you mean. My position referring to no-lynching hasn't changed in the slightest. I've always been for not lynching, provided we wait a time.
Also, I'd prefer we not lynch D_V, Grapefruit, Ophidia, or anyone as no lynching is the route we should go today.)
I don't want the day to end so fast, although he is a good candidate for lynching.
Why did you specify those three?
Had a sick run out in my MU game. You have my full attention now
The GJ way path to no lynching:
(Those are the three that have been really under suspicion that I recalled at the time I wrote that post. Short of seeing something that says to me "this person is absolutely scum", I intend to vote no-lynch today.)
KJ: Look at Grapefruit, he did the exact thing I did as scum in Barebones. His backing up and calling me town, then voting DV and in the same breath /barning his GJ read all feels like he got caught and wants to play it off and try and buy a day.
Cause hes your scum buddy?