You guys are really going to make me actually step up to play this game immediately instead of trying to keep my business from exploding while working 10-12 hour days, aren't you?
You know, you guys not understanding my reads isn't actually a scum tell for me, right? And the 2-3 reads I did share, were barned fairly hard after being shared. So far as I can tell, that leaves some stylistic/activity gripes, such as not jumping immediately to explain the other 6 town reads and/or the scum reasoning on Tom/Hunt, both of which are also non-alignment indicative.
For those not in the know, I launched my own law firm a few years ago, pretty much straight out of law school, b/c the legal market sucks for young attorneys. So several months back, I started a social media/review and SEO campaign that's really, really starting to pay off lately. For instance, this Monday, I had seven new clients call in a single day. I wasn't able to bill a single hour, I had my hands full until 8 P.M. just doing initial consultations and intake interviews. I'm now trying to keep up with doing all the new work for those guys, plus a few others who called during the week, plus all the people who I already had on board and have been waiting, and I don't like to keep any clients waiting any longer than I can help it. Lots of late evenings, just to kind of tread water. I've got a summer intern queued up, but I'm now thinking I might possibly need to hire someone to help me keep up. I also have two young kids, and my weekends are getting destroyed by 14/hours of foster parent training sessions b/c we're thinking about getting into that.
Which are all nice problems to have, but puts me in a position where this game is getting my casual, stream of consciousness participation and impressions, but not my undivided attention, because it's much easier to take a break from work for 5-10 minutes now and again than to go spend an entire hour or two explaining those reads in exhaustive detail, most of which aren't relevant bc there aren't wagons on them yet.
Like, a Hunt wagon analysis might be super relevant atm. But do you guys really need all of them? No, that's just not necessary at this point. Desirable, but not necessary.
The fight between Kpaca and Shadow looks very much like town vs town to me. Shadow is getting pissed at the Kpaca style (believe me, been here before) and Kpaca believes in his own conviction and doesn't understand the problem.
Ok. Assume scum!Tare: Who is the scumteam he's discounting that shouldn't be?
Who's he highlighting that he wouldn't as town!Tare?
I'm a ways away from worldbuilding mode, but if tare flipped scum I'd prolly look at iso and hardclear dv
Leaving cyan off is blatant, but mentioning Iso teams and then mostly only referring to the other people in them is much more noteworthy
Yeah, so Kpaca is actually providing quite a bit of content this game IMO. Agree that it's mainly a stylistic issue. And I'm also hard town-reading him, inasmuch as I've ever hard town-read Kpaca.
Disliking that Tom's hardest town-read is the one I've already explained.
Mildly incredulous that Tare thought adding a vote on Osie as a gambit was a thing.
Still despise Hunt.
Will we ever ignite our spark again Az? Glad we agree on Kpaca. What about Iso? Do you find it acceptable that Tare put his name down several times and didn't really speak to the man?
@Anak: Are you saying Tare+Cyan, or just Cyan? I can't tell.
I'm very annoyed. We have several people either not doing things or barely doing things.
You seem to be doing a lot of things this game. Is there a particular reason you are staying very active? Do you feel your questions have brought forth the answers you needed?
I am really having a difficult time with these games with short deadlines.
Anyway I think Az is scum, but I don't know how I'm going to relay that and convince people etc in 26 hours. :/ I'll come up with something shortly here.
for thinking about his position on wagons more than the alignment of the people hes voting for
Wait a second, can you tell me where the hell I even insinuated this thinking? I got off of Osie because his... hers?... their posts were way more townie when I reread them and didn't confbias assume they came from a newb scum. That wasn't clear?
I'm set on Az being scum for his throwing shade at me all day and then not doing ANYTHING about it until the last minute. Tom is still possibly scum in my eyes, but his ballsy "no you" in response to claiming is a townie reaction. Those two are the obvious bad jumps on my wagon. Shadow's was a head scratcher, but he's been throwing his vote around like a Nickel-Whore on a vacation. It doesn't feel malicious like the other two.
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@Killjoy I'm going back to find those questions I missed now.
Notes: Edited by Feyd_Ruin to fix a quote bug issue with a broken tag. No text change was made, only a [quote] tag bracket fix.
I mean, most of those town-reads are going to be me doing the exact same thing as I did with Killjoy. I'm going to point out tonally townie posts, organic thoughts, all those things that I point out to clear massive amounts of townies in every single game. I could do that again, sure. But it's going to be time-consuming, repetitive, and largely wasted effort until and unless one of those guys comes under suspicion, at which point I'll be happy to tell someone exactly why and where they're wrong, as with KJ, Osie, and Kpaca.
But spoiler alert, the other six reads are going to be more of the same. I mean Anak's tougher, bc he's got the flavor thing to hide behind, but I gave him a minimal amount of points on account of the effort he's putting in. And if he's scum, I have a fair idea that that strategy won't work out well for him in the end. So, that leaves the small group of people who aren't pinging me friendly, or who have adversely pinged me. Tare, Hunt, and Tom. Tom is more of an absence of townie tell reads, Tare I've detailed briefly, Hunt is basically where I considered taking a cue from Iso's work in his last game, where he successfully picked out all three scum using my traditional bag of tricks but blending in some relationship ties and game dynamics stuff. And as someone else, I forget who, already mentioned, Hunt's large, defensive post didn't smell right at all to me, and IIRC, he was jumping on the horrible Osie wagon,too. That was about the size of that. And the disappearing act afterwards is definitely not in his favor, either.
For throwing shade at you all day while voting for my primary suspect, Taredas, you mean? Pursuing someone you have a higher priority read on is scummy, then? Or is it just a crime to have multiple scum reads at the same time.
@Hunt: In 94, you say in the middle of it that you "would put your vote down hard if it wasn't so early in the Day" but then at the end of it you vote for Osie because she "isn't at L-2". In 127 you say you didn't want her to self-hammer, implying you WANTED to vote her but only if her wagon was at a certain point. If this is the case, why claim to be 'on the fence'? Explain your mindset here.
As I was going down the post it was in order, so when I said "didn't want to put down.." it was because I didn't want conversation to get stifled by a quick end to the day. I voted at the end because we were in no danger of that scenario happening after realizing Osie was not as close to being lynched. I did not want to put her in range of self hammer, again, to not let the day end prematurely. My mindset was simply, I wanted to place my vote there, but not at the expense of discussion...
For throwing shade at you all day while voting for my primary suspect, Taredas, you mean? Pursuing someone you have a higher priority read on is scummy, then? Or is it just a crime to have multiple scum reads at the same time.
Kindly explain that. If you can. I'm all ears.
Of course you can have multiple scum reads at once. I get that. But as was pointed out previously, you had Tare sandwiched between reads, and it appeared as if I was the top read. You kept throwing my name out there as an afterthought, which feels like you were just trying to keep my name on the tip of everyone's tongue, if you will. It's a subtle mind game, to continue to name me, thus keeping me in the back of everyone's mind, and then to try and get a Chinese Fire Drill on me at end of day.
Basically, you are hunting the low hanging fruit, which for you Az, is a scum tell. Through and through.
For throwing shade at you all day while voting for my primary suspect, Taredas, you mean? Pursuing someone you have a higher priority read on is scummy, then? Or is it just a crime to have multiple scum reads at the same time.
Of course you can have multiple scum reads at once. I get that. But as was pointed out previously, you had Tare sandwiched between reads, and it appeared as if I was the top read. You kept throwing my name out there as an afterthought, which feels like you were just trying to keep my name on the tip of everyone's tongue, if you will. It's a subtle mind game, to continue to name me, thus keeping me in the back of everyone's mind, and then to try and get a Chinese Fire Drill on me at end of day.
Basically, you are hunting the low hanging fruit, which for you Az, is a scum tell. Through and through.
Not a bad phrased argument at all, Hunt, but hardly a genuine one.
I've already pointed out, at length, that you were never my chief scum read, so you're ignoring that inconvenient info to try and push this argument home. I had ample reason not to vote you, and I talked about it a ton. You either knew that, or ought to have known that. But you still argued I should have been voting for you as a townie as the primary impetus to support this OMGUS read.
Pretty despicable stuff, friend. Also, who says you're low-hanging fruit these days? You've not been a newb for a long time, now.
The "after-thought" point is pretty cheap to. If I think you're the second-likeliest person to be scum, I'm going to keep saying so. That's not conniving or subtle, that's as straight-forward as you can get. I'm calling you scum to your face, and I'm calling for your llynch, and I'm now directly voting for you.
So, tell me more about how I'm some kind of subtle puppet master because of my direct frontal assault upon your face. *folds arms*
I think we can rule out Tare, though, so who would your third scum be after Tare?
I don't advise ruling anyone out based on a role claim of that nature. Even if proven, which is a huge if, it has no bearing on his alignment unless you presume that the moderator would only assign a role of that nature to the town. That's not a safe assumption.
Of course you can have multiple scum reads at once. I get that. But as was pointed out previously, you had Tare sandwiched between reads, and it appeared as if I was the top read. You kept throwing my name out there as an afterthought, which feels like you were just trying to keep my name on the tip of everyone's tongue, if you will. It's a subtle mind game, to continue to name me, thus keeping me in the back of everyone's mind, and then to try and get a Chinese Fire Drill on me at end of day.
Basically, you are hunting the low hanging fruit, which for you Az, is a scum tell. Through and through.
Not a bad phrased argument at all, Hunt, but hardly a genuine one.
I've already pointed out, at length, that you were never my chief scum read, so you're ignoring that inconvenient info to try and push this argument home. I had ample reason not to vote you, and I talked about it a ton. You either knew that, or ought to have known that. But you still argued I should have been voting for you as a townie as the primary impetus to support this OMGUS read.
Pretty despicable stuff, friend. Also, who says you're low-hanging fruit these days? You've not been a newb for a long time, now.
The "after-thought" point is pretty cheap to. If I think you're the second-likeliest person to be scum, I'm going to keep saying so. That's not conniving or subtle, that's as straight-forward as you can get. I'm calling you scum to your face, and I'm calling for your llynch, and I'm now directly voting for you.
So, tell me more about how I'm some kind of subtle puppet master because of my direct frontal assault upon your face. *folds arms*
I think we can rule out Tare, though, so who would your third scum be after Tare?
I don't advise ruling anyone out based on a role claim of that nature. Even if proven, which is a huge if, it has no bearing on his alignment unless you presume that the moderator would only assign a role of that nature to the town. That's not a safe assumption.
I didn't think he was obv!scum before that, though. Certainly not enough for a day 1 lynch. The only people who look potentially obvious enough to me at this point are you, Tom, and D_V. Though my feelings on iso are worse and worse each day he doesn't post.
I feel like his aggressive defense of osie came from a place of 'scum defending town that they think will probably get themselves lynched anyway'.
Plus I don't feel like he's actually doing much, despite posting significantly.
I am also not currently sold on Hunt being scum.
I was thinking that too, except I thought that his defense of Osie and me were more along the lines of "these town are very obvious, but no one has noticed yet. I'll prove then town for town cred". Also, at that point in the game, I'd wager there was a 50-50 chance that that level of nervousness comes from noob scum and he was just too sure that she wasn't.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
closer to me (mustache spiderman) is town, further is scum
proximity matters
the fact that huntz isnt unaligned with anyone is further proof IMO
az not scum with tare or cyan
az/huntz might be w/w? have to look if he was calling for huntz lynch before the wagon got going
kpaca hasnt looked at either wagon. otherwise townie
shadow probably the scum mastermind if we've just been wagoning town all day (this is the voxx slot from last time i did this)
dv/shadow probably never a thing
iso could go anywhere on this web
when i did this before, the scumteam was a fairly small triangle
this doesnt feel as good as that one though
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
thats not as fun when im not being a spider, but still cooler than a rainbow wall
huntz/az/[kpaca/dv/anak] makes sense
several teams can be built with 2 or 3 of [tare/shadow/iso]
if its exactly one of huntz/az i need to see how these wagons pan out
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
and i feel like taredas should be on that lower list
especially with iso actually
that was the thing huntz said i liked most.
seriously go look at the iso teams in that one tare post.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel like the way shadow reacted to anaks vote is not a w/w way. Also there were hunt and you wagons going on when he switched to shadow. I don't think scum anak moves a wagon to his buddy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel like the way shadow reacted to anaks vote is not a w/w way. Also there were hunt and you wagons going on when he switched to shadow. I don't think scum anak moves a wagon to his buddy.
Why would scum!Az protect a free mislynch target? That makes no sense.
Az as scum:
Worst case scenario, he looks good for defending someone that was obviously just a flailing newb, and can always change his mind later. Best case scenario, that person gets lynched anyway.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
i keep looking at tare's #201 and i dont like his treatment of shadow or huntz either
iso gets swept under the rug too, but he hadnt/hasnt done anything
@tare
how does huntz look like a deep wolf?
what is your read on shadow?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anyone: Does scum Az make that "real life" post as a sympathy call? I feel like doing so throws a lot of goodwill out of the window. I mean I guess if scum!Az feels cftwr he might? But I doubt it. Thoughts?
So we've been granted our extension, let's use it.
Killjoy, could you link me a couple of recent scum games you have, I want to check something.
DV: With your list of me/hunt/Osie, do you think we fit as a team, or are those just independent reads?
@Anyone: Does scum Az make that "real life" post as a sympathy call? I feel like doing so throws a lot of goodwill out of the window. I mean I guess if scum!Az feels cftwr he might? But I doubt it. Thoughts?
So we've been granted our extension, let's use it.
Killjoy, could you link me a couple of recent scum games you have, I want to check something.
DV: With your list of me/hunt/Osie, do you think we fit as a team, or are those just independent reads?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So, Huntz is not nearly as obvious for me as Az. The lurking is way too real. There's an over 50 and an over 150 lurk. But looking at the votes on him, I'm also not convinced; there's at best two people voting for him that I might be able to clear as town, and D_V and Tare are both not the cleanest. I'm interested right now in what kpaca thinks of it all given the long time without posting, though.
Also, grumble grumble grumble about iso taking his time.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You know, you guys not understanding my reads isn't actually a scum tell for me, right? And the 2-3 reads I did share, were barned fairly hard after being shared. So far as I can tell, that leaves some stylistic/activity gripes, such as not jumping immediately to explain the other 6 town reads and/or the scum reasoning on Tom/Hunt, both of which are also non-alignment indicative.
For those not in the know, I launched my own law firm a few years ago, pretty much straight out of law school, b/c the legal market sucks for young attorneys. So several months back, I started a social media/review and SEO campaign that's really, really starting to pay off lately. For instance, this Monday, I had seven new clients call in a single day. I wasn't able to bill a single hour, I had my hands full until 8 P.M. just doing initial consultations and intake interviews. I'm now trying to keep up with doing all the new work for those guys, plus a few others who called during the week, plus all the people who I already had on board and have been waiting, and I don't like to keep any clients waiting any longer than I can help it. Lots of late evenings, just to kind of tread water. I've got a summer intern queued up, but I'm now thinking I might possibly need to hire someone to help me keep up. I also have two young kids, and my weekends are getting destroyed by 14/hours of foster parent training sessions b/c we're thinking about getting into that.
Which are all nice problems to have, but puts me in a position where this game is getting my casual, stream of consciousness participation and impressions, but not my undivided attention, because it's much easier to take a break from work for 5-10 minutes now and again than to go spend an entire hour or two explaining those reads in exhaustive detail, most of which aren't relevant bc there aren't wagons on them yet.
Like, a Hunt wagon analysis might be super relevant atm. But do you guys really need all of them? No, that's just not necessary at this point. Desirable, but not necessary.
Tom's posts are all so superficial.
Am I to understand that Tom's limp wristed hand wave of an answer was sufficient to explain the difference between our unvotings? The Iso point is a good one. Will we ever ignite our spark again Az? Glad we agree on Kpaca. What about Iso? Do you find it acceptable that Tare put his name down several times and didn't really speak to the man? You seem to be doing a lot of things this game. Is there a particular reason you are staying very active? Do you feel your questions have brought forth the answers you needed? I think there is something off about him too. ***** where are these questions? Wait a second, can you tell me where the hell I even insinuated this thinking? I got off of Osie because his... hers?... their posts were way more townie when I reread them and didn't confbias assume they came from a newb scum. That wasn't clear?
I'm set on Az being scum for his throwing shade at me all day and then not doing ANYTHING about it until the last minute. Tom is still possibly scum in my eyes, but his ballsy "no you" in response to claiming is a townie reaction. Those two are the obvious bad jumps on my wagon. Shadow's was a head scratcher, but he's been throwing his vote around like a Nickel-Whore on a vacation. It doesn't feel malicious like the other two.
Unvote
Vote Az
@Killjoy I'm going back to find those questions I missed now.
But spoiler alert, the other six reads are going to be more of the same. I mean Anak's tougher, bc he's got the flavor thing to hide behind, but I gave him a minimal amount of points on account of the effort he's putting in. And if he's scum, I have a fair idea that that strategy won't work out well for him in the end. So, that leaves the small group of people who aren't pinging me friendly, or who have adversely pinged me. Tare, Hunt, and Tom. Tom is more of an absence of townie tell reads, Tare I've detailed briefly, Hunt is basically where I considered taking a cue from Iso's work in his last game, where he successfully picked out all three scum using my traditional bag of tricks but blending in some relationship ties and game dynamics stuff. And as someone else, I forget who, already mentioned, Hunt's large, defensive post didn't smell right at all to me, and IIRC, he was jumping on the horrible Osie wagon,too. That was about the size of that. And the disappearing act afterwards is definitely not in his favor, either.
For throwing shade at you all day while voting for my primary suspect, Taredas, you mean? Pursuing someone you have a higher priority read on is scummy, then? Or is it just a crime to have multiple scum reads at the same time.
Kindly explain that. If you can. I'm all ears.
As I was going down the post it was in order, so when I said "didn't want to put down.." it was because I didn't want conversation to get stifled by a quick end to the day. I voted at the end because we were in no danger of that scenario happening after realizing Osie was not as close to being lynched. I did not want to put her in range of self hammer, again, to not let the day end prematurely. My mindset was simply, I wanted to place my vote there, but not at the expense of discussion...
Basically, you are hunting the low hanging fruit, which for you Az, is a scum tell. Through and through.
*wink at the level look*
For reference, though it's been fun letting people make their own assumptions, I am male.
This, at least, is a good point. I think we can rule out Tare, though, so who would your third scum be after Tare?
Not a bad phrased argument at all, Hunt, but hardly a genuine one.
I've already pointed out, at length, that you were never my chief scum read, so you're ignoring that inconvenient info to try and push this argument home. I had ample reason not to vote you, and I talked about it a ton. You either knew that, or ought to have known that. But you still argued I should have been voting for you as a townie as the primary impetus to support this OMGUS read.
Pretty despicable stuff, friend. Also, who says you're low-hanging fruit these days? You've not been a newb for a long time, now.
The "after-thought" point is pretty cheap to. If I think you're the second-likeliest person to be scum, I'm going to keep saying so. That's not conniving or subtle, that's as straight-forward as you can get. I'm calling you scum to your face, and I'm calling for your llynch, and I'm now directly voting for you.
So, tell me more about how I'm some kind of subtle puppet master because of my direct frontal assault upon your face. *folds arms*
I don't advise ruling anyone out based on a role claim of that nature. Even if proven, which is a huge if, it has no bearing on his alignment unless you presume that the moderator would only assign a role of that nature to the town. That's not a safe assumption.
I didn't think he was obv!scum before that, though. Certainly not enough for a day 1 lynch. The only people who look potentially obvious enough to me at this point are you, Tom, and D_V. Though my feelings on iso are worse and worse each day he doesn't post.
Doubt Az would fake all of that.
He can wait if he is scum the more he posts the easier it will be IMO more crumbs.
That leaves Shadow Hunt or Osie today.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Doubtful.
Hunt: what do you think of anak?
Perfect Timing!
Speaking of, @mod: vote count?
Hm.
Azrael (3) - osieorb18, Cyan, Huntzilla
tomsloger (2) - Taredas, kpaca
D_V (1) - Iso
shadowlancerx (1) - Anaklusmos
Not Voting (2): Killjoy, D_V
strongly considering doing that spiderweb thing.
Tare might maybeish be town because of his wagon? Independent his claim of course.
Oh,wait.
Why would scum!Az protect a free mislynch target? That makes no sense.
Huntz/Anak/Cyan? Maybe?
closer to me (mustache spiderman) is town, further is scum
proximity matters
az not scum with tare or cyan
az/huntz might be w/w? have to look if he was calling for huntz lynch before the wagon got going
kpaca hasnt looked at either wagon. otherwise townie
shadow probably the scum mastermind if we've just been wagoning town all day (this is the voxx slot from last time i did this)
dv/shadow probably never a thing
iso could go anywhere on this web
when i did this before, the scumteam was a fairly small triangle
this doesnt feel as good as that one though
Related, I've been doubting my shadow town read.
vote huntz
huntz/az/[kpaca/dv/anak] makes sense
several teams can be built with 2 or 3 of [tare/shadow/iso]
if its exactly one of huntz/az i need to see how these wagons pan out
Huntz/shadow/cyan or iso
i only did it that one game while i was roleplaying a spider, but ive been wanting to do it again
its a lot of feeling out positioning when placing avatars
my only regrets are anak being so close to cyan and having no idea where to put iso
and i feel like taredas should be on that lower list
especially with iso actually
that was the thing huntz said i liked most.
seriously go look at the iso teams in that one tare post.
i liked the way he joined the az wagon
maybe giving too much credit for that
but this will be an evolving read. hes townie so far. and i doubt he can maintain it as scum
i can buy that
Az as scum:
Worst case scenario, he looks good for defending someone that was obviously just a flailing newb, and can always change his mind later. Best case scenario, that person gets lynched anyway.
Still not sure he's town for it but he can get bumped down Poe.
For now let's lynch huntz. We can evaluate from there.
iso gets swept under the rug too, but he hadnt/hasnt done anything
@tare
how does huntz look like a deep wolf?
what is your read on shadow?
Huntzilla (4) - tomsloger, shadowlancerx, Azrael, Killjoy
Azrael (3) - osieorb18, Cyan, Huntzilla
tomsloger (2) - Taredas, kpaca
D_V (1) - Iso
shadowlancerx (1) - Anaklusmos
Not Voting (1): D_V
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline has been extended to Sunday 26th of March, 9:59PM GMT.
So we've been granted our extension, let's use it.
Killjoy, could you link me a couple of recent scum games you have, I want to check something.
DV: With your list of me/hunt/Osie, do you think we fit as a team, or are those just independent reads?
Also, grumble grumble grumble about iso taking his time.