Good answer. I was once you. I hated Meta, thought it was bull*****. Turns out it really is a helpful tool once you become familiar with folk. I understand where you are coming from though. Go on back and look my long rants about meta if you care.
I'll have to check that out at some point. I figure I'll probably eventually develop some sense beyond "Player X always seems scummy/townie as all get-out."
I am on the fence with Osie. It feels way to early to end the day, but using the excuse "I don't wanna rock the boat (aka hide)" screams noob scum to me. I would put my vote down hard if it wasn't so early in the day.
Ehh... I've been trying to roleplay to some degree, but that's more my personal playstyle of gathering information. Unfortunately, at least both of these times I've played on forum, I've started out by acting out a bit before getting into the pace of the game, and then I've been perceived as scum despite being very town... Heck, I don't remember playing scum IRL much either, so I honestly don't even have a scum game. I have yet to have a circumstance where I get to figure it out. Doesn't help that Cantrip's scum game is amazing, as far as I've seen.
We happen to have a nice playgroup full of people who've been registering tons of pro-town reads, and who I regularly play with, which eliminates a ton of obfuscating meta-based variables from consideration, and makes it a lot easier to clear people.
[quote from="D_V »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/772633-revolution-mafia-day-1-start-of-the-revolution?comment=95"]Azreal scum list is wack.
But it makes sense since the scum team is
Taredas
Osie
And Azreal
Also I've already flavor claimed and Azreal is even pushing my flavor[/quote
You mean it's wack how on-target it is?
Osie's a newb. Like a floppy new foal, wobbling around on its shaky legs, trying to figure out how to run. You guys are not allowed to lynch him, over my dead body.
You may now proceed to re-reading Hunt's last post, then advance to the chain-lynching phase.
but you're voting tare still, at least put your money where your mouth is.
You're pushing for Osie being town really hard, and also that "Az has a higher than usual chance of being scum" feels weird, like a toss-in. Why is that the case?
I don't know, why *does* it feel weird to you?
As for the question I think you're *actually* trying to ask ("why is Az more likely scum if Osie is scum") - if I'm wrong and Osie is scum, then either one or more scum were bussing or all of the scum were offwagon. I think bussing is less likely than usual for reasons already explained, which would mean both of the scum were offwagon - in which case they were either passively allowing the wagon (in which case why not try for buscred?) or trying to counterwagon and Az's vote was the only vote I could see being a counterwagon attempt.
Also, explain why you think I'm "pushing for Osie being town really hard"? I thought I was pretty clear that I my thought process was less "I have a strong townread on Osie" and more "I have very strong reservations about how this wagon has developed and think Osie is more likely town than not because of it".
Also explain why you think all the scum are here already?
Gut. It's an intuitive thing that I'm emphasizing more heavily since my traditional best tool (tonal analysis) is having problems.
Speaking of that, kind of think one scum started posting before I did and one scum started posting after I did. Not sure about the third, could go either way. That would put one or two scum in {Osie, Iso, shadow, D_V, Killjoy} and 1-2 in {tomsloger, Hunt, Anak, Az, kpaca} - technically Cyan goes in the latter group but I don't think he's scum.
Also, what are your thoughts on Osie's behavior, independent of the wagon speed?
Low-confidence moderate-strength townread, especially given Osie is apparently new to Mafia in the forum environment? Their early posting was concerning, but their more recent posts look consistent with a town thought process and morphologically they're reminding me of a kind of weak analytical player who tends to get run up D1 but doesn't usually flip scum. Not ironclad confident - I'm not great at direct mindset assessment, and the way Osie's reads mirror the thread consensus in 59 gives me pause - but couple that with how Osie's wagon blew up and I do not want to lynch Osie toDay.
Tom's my lesser scum read by far, then hunt, then Tar. Tar and Hunt are both pretty blatant IMO. I'm borrowing a few points from Iso's recent techniques there, combined with my usual approach.
I'd be more specific, but as with Tom's request above, discussing the tells in exhaustive detail at this point really only helps shore up their play at a point in the game where they could very well sharply improve from here on out and fool others. So, I'd rather encourage others to examine their posts and reach similar conclusions independently, if they're able.
It is 1 minute to deadline. There are two wagons at L-1: a wagon on me and a wagon on J. Random Sleb, a hypothetical player who you have a null read on and who has no relevant interactions. You are the only player not voting, and no one else is online. Who do you hammer, and why?
Azrael
Iso
osieorb18
kpaca
D_V
Killjoy
shadowlancerx
Anaklusmos
Cyan
Scum
Huntzilla
Taredas
tomsloger
Game over?
Can you explain the Iso, D_V, and Cyan reads (assuming the list is ordered in townread strength, which I think is safe given 115)? I've got Iso down as "too early to tell, but early game is not encouraging", Cyan's my strongest townread, and D_V's my second strongest scumread (based mostly on post 35) but I'm not as confident about that read as I'd like.
@Taredas: Why is wanting to do something because it's fun a reason that warrants a vote? This game was designed to be flavorful.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
This all sounds like much ado about nothing. My rolename is Newcomb/NotVoxicuss. Go ahead and tell me what my role does.
This comes across as a scum trying to present the pro-town argument without having an obvious reason for doing so. Vote Taredas
@Taredas: You actually think names will provide scum an accurate idea of what roles people have? Really?
Alright, I'm seppel, what does that tell you about me?
You, on the other hand, I'll just go ahead and answer: it tells me that the Mafioso with Iso flavor is the Mafia disruptive role.
Can you explain the Iso, D_V, and Cyan reads (assuming the list is ordered in townread strength, which I think is safe given 115)? I've got Iso down as "too early to tell, but early game is not encouraging", Cyan's my strongest townread, and D_V's my second strongest scumread (based mostly on post 35) but I'm not as confident about that read as I'd like.
Not in any particular order, but in short, they're tone and mindset reads.
Tom's my lesser scum read by far, then hunt, then Tar. Tar and Hunt are both pretty blatant IMO. I'm borrowing a few points from Iso's recent techniques there, combined with my usual approach.
I'd be more specific, but as with Tom's request above, discussing the tells in exhaustive detail at this point really only helps shore up their play at a point in the game where they could very well sharply improve from here on out and fool others. So, I'd rather encourage others to examine their posts and reach similar conclusions independently, if they're able.
yeah, thats not gonna work for me.
i had one post when you made that list. making me scum by "poe and tone".
i don't believe you have exhaustive reasoning on that
Tare and Az both white knighting Osie so strongly leads me to think one of them is probably scum getting credit for a "spicy read" (I obviously think that's tare). (I currently think Osie is more likely town than scum here, but hey both seem much more confident in that read)
Tare, your answer to my flavor question doesn't track, also, go into why you think you can accurately say that at least one scum posted before and after you, that sort of analysis makes no sense to me.
Tom, doesn't that spoiler technically make you join our anti town group? I mean, apart from the WIFOM anyway.
Osie: Does your role really say "town!cantrip" and not just Cantrip?
Tare and Az both white knighting Osie so strongly leads me to think one of them is probably scum getting credit for a "spicy read" (I obviously think that's tare). (I currently think Osie is more likely town than scum here, but hey both seem much more confident in that read)
Tare, your answer to my flavor question doesn't track, also, go into why you think you can accurately say that at least one scum posted before and after you, that sort of analysis makes no sense to me.
Tom, doesn't that spoiler technically make you join our anti town group? I mean, apart from the WIFOM anyway.
Osie: Does your role really say "town!cantrip" and not just Cantrip?
[quote from="Killjoy »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/772633-revolution-mafia-day-1-start-of-the-revolution?comment=70"]Also, explain why you think I'm "pushing for Osie being town really hard"? I thought I was pretty clear that I my thought process was less "I have a strong townread on Osie" and more "I have very strong reservations about how this wagon has developed and think Osie is more likely town than not because of it".
I don't believe it moved too quickly at all. I think the wagon speed was fine. I just think there was some bussing going on. I'm thinking one scum on the wagon, one scum off.
It is 1 minute to deadline. There are two wagons at L-1: a wagon on me and a wagon on J. Random Sleb, a hypothetical player who you have a null read on and who has no relevant interactions. You are the only player not voting, and no one else is online. Who do you hammer, and why?
Tare and Az both white knighting Osie so strongly leads me to think one of them is probably scum getting credit for a "spicy read" (I obviously think that's tare). (I currently think Osie is more likely town than scum here, but hey both seem much more confident in that read)
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here, although I feel like that makes them less likely scum together.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Hunt: "I would put my vote down is it wasn't so early in the day"->"Since she's not at L-2, Vote Osie" Same post.
Explain this.
I was going through the thread in order. Someone mentioned Osie was at l-2, and I had no intentions of abruptly ending the day or putting Osie in self hammer range. As I went down posts, turns out L-2 wasn't true, so I put my vote down where I wanted it.
yeah, thats not gonna work for me.
i had one post when you made that list. making me scum by "poe and tone".
i don't believe you have exhaustive reasoning on that
vote az
I could write you a 60 page dissertation on a single sentence post if I cared to. And having already arrived at nine town reads and two scum reads, and having reasons for each, it feels fairly exhaustive to detail rah of those in writing, yes, actually.
@Hunt: "I would put my vote down is it wasn't so early in the day"->"Since she's not at L-2, Vote Osie" Same post.
Explain this.
I was going through the thread in order. Someone mentioned Osie was at l-2, and I had no intentions of abruptly ending the day or putting Osie in self hammer range. As I went down posts, turns out L-2 wasn't true, so I put my vote down where I wanted it.
You LITERALLY said that you didn't wanna vote so early.That means that, even if Osie is not at L-2, you'd not want to vote for her at this time. Then, without acknowledging that train of thought at all, you voted for Osie.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
yeah, thats not gonna work for me.
i had one post when you made that list. making me scum by "poe and tone".
i don't believe you have exhaustive reasoning on that
vote az
I could write you a 60 page dissertation on a single sentence post if I cared to. And having already arrived at nine town reads and two scum reads, and having reasons for each, it feels fairly exhaustive to detail rah of those in writing, yes, actually.
God it would be awfully repetitive and needlessly long. In a game such as this if you can't make your argument with a few if.. then.. because.. statements then it probabally doesn't hold much merit.
Also, I'll ask again why are you voting a lesser scum read?
Huntzilla
Taredas
tomsloger
Your scum list has Taredas in the middle. That means you either weight Hunt or Tom as a greater scum likelihood, while Taredas is secondary in both cases. Since your ordering for town was Greatest to least townie I would assume your list follows similarly so Hunt being the most town and tom being the least town.
Perhaps you meant it as Most scum to least, but either way Taredas is your lesser read.
Since Azreal's list is clearly complete bogus I think I can safely say hes busing one person and the other is in the town list.
I'm inclined to think that it may be Taredas, but also could be Tom. Less so on Tom.
Since Azreal's list is clearly complete bogus I think I can safely say hes busing one person and the other is in the town list.
I'm inclined to think that it may be Taredas, but also could be Tom. Less so on Tom.
Iso, you're supposed to be good at this game, why aren't you voting for taredas over the townie he's opportunistically trashing? We aren't going to have to book lynch you again, are we?
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
Dude, chill. It was a joke. I'm not sure how you haven't already gleaned that my Mafia persona is just a parody of my personality after all these years. I know ZDS's Normal was a bad experience for you and I'm sorry about that but I was playing to my win condition and you were on the opposite faction. If I make Mafia that unenjoyable for you, tell me now and I'll replace out so that you can have fun. Otherwise, there's no sense in bashing me like this.
Your scum list has Taredas in the middle. That means you either weight Hunt or Tom as a greater scum likelihood, while Taredas is secondary in both cases. Since your ordering for town was Greatest to least townie I would assume your list follows similarly so Hunt being the most town and tom being the least town.
Perhaps you meant it as Most scum to least, but either way Taredas is your lesser read.
...or you missed reading the part where I said it had no particular order to it. Taredas is my most scummy. I wouldn't be voting him otherwise. It's too early in the game to have this many people flunking their reading comprehension.
I suppose we'll shortly be at the point where I have to explain my reads, but I was hoping Iso or someone else would ride on in here shortly and chime in with some helpful tips.
I'm starting to see where Iso's coming from on the explaining your reads bit being tedious, while the figuring out bit is the fun part. That's probably not a good thing. *frowns*
Your scum list has Taredas in the middle. That means you either weight Hunt or Tom as a greater scum likelihood, while Taredas is secondary in both cases. Since your ordering for town was Greatest to least townie I would assume your list follows similarly so Hunt being the most town and tom being the least town.
Perhaps you meant it as Most scum to least, but either way Taredas is your lesser read.
...or you missed reading the part where I said it had no particular order to it. Taredas is my most scummy. I wouldn't be voting him otherwise. It's too early in the game to have this many people flunking their reading comprehension.
I suppose we'll shortly be at the point where I have to explain my reads, but I was hoping Iso or someone else would ride on in here shortly and chime in with some helpful tips.
I'm starting to see where Iso's coming from on the explaining your reads bit being tedious, while the figuring out bit is the fun part. That's probably not a good thing. *frowns*
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
*cocks head* I think I'll pass on that for the moment.
Who said it was my lesser scum read?
Tom's my lesser scum read by far, then hunt, then Tar. Tar and Hunt are both pretty blatant IMO. I'm borrowing a few points from Iso's recent techniques there, combined with my usual approach.
I'd be more specific, but as with Tom's request above, discussing the tells in exhaustive detail at this point really only helps shore up their play at a point in the game where they could very well sharply improve from here on out and fool others. So, I'd rather encourage others to examine their posts and reach similar conclusions independently, if they're able.
*cocks head* I think I'll pass on that for the moment.
Who said it was my lesser scum read?
Tom's my lesser scum read by far, then hunt, then Tar. Tar and Hunt are both pretty blatant IMO. I'm borrowing a few points from Iso's recent techniques there, combined with my usual approach.
I'd be more specific, but as with Tom's request above, discussing the tells in exhaustive detail at this point really only helps shore up their play at a point in the game where they could very well sharply improve from here on out and fool others. So, I'd rather encourage others to examine their posts and reach similar conclusions independently, if they're able.
Osie: Does your role really say "town!cantrip" and not just Cantrip?
Specifically, Cantripmancer (Town). So far I haven't escape the randomly getting only vanilla town when I got onsite (I am not sure if I've ever played scum IRL either, though I have occasionally gotten non-vanilla town or played the narrator).
I was going through the thread in order. Someone mentioned Osie was at l-2, and I had no intentions of abruptly ending the day or putting Osie in self hammer range. As I went down posts, turns out L-2 wasn't true, so I put my vote down where I wanted it.
So voting me was just convenient? That doesn't sound very good. Are you sure you don't have a stronger scumread on someone else?
@kpaca, you changed to vote Taredas right after Post 68. What convinced you that Taredas was scum?
@Azrael - I think Tom may have claimed Bur (mislynches day 1) rather than Huntzilla. Not sure on this, but maybe. Between that and my toneread on him, I think he's probably town. Can you give your current thoughts on Killjoy (strong versus weak townread) and why?
@Huntz, @Iso: If exactly two of Killjoy, Taredas, Anaklusmos, and Azrael were scum, which ones would it be?
@D_V: The nitpicking is just annoying. Could you not?
Osie: Does your role really say "town!cantrip" and not just Cantrip?
Specifically, Cantripmancer (Town). So far I haven't escape the randomly getting only vanilla town when I got onsite (I am not sure if I've ever played scum IRL either, though I have occasionally gotten non-vanilla town or played the narrator).
I was going through the thread in order. Someone mentioned Osie was at l-2, and I had no intentions of abruptly ending the day or putting Osie in self hammer range. As I went down posts, turns out L-2 wasn't true, so I put my vote down where I wanted it.
So voting me was just convenient? That doesn't sound very good. Are you sure you don't have a stronger scumread on someone else?
@kpaca, you changed to vote Taredas right after Post 68. What convinced you that Taredas was scum?
@Azrael - I think Tom may have claimed Bur (mislynches day 1) rather than Huntzilla. Not sure on this, but maybe. Between that and my toneread on him, I think he's probably town. Can you give your current thoughts on Killjoy (strong versus weak townread) and why?
@Huntz, @Iso: If exactly two of Killjoy, Taredas, Anaklusmos, and Azrael were scum, which ones would it be?
@D_V: The nitpicking is just annoying. Could you not?
Its not though?
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Both?
You mean you, since about 60 posts ago?
I'll have to check that out at some point. I figure I'll probably eventually develop some sense beyond "Player X always seems scummy/townie as all get-out."
Ehh... I've been trying to roleplay to some degree, but that's more my personal playstyle of gathering information. Unfortunately, at least both of these times I've played on forum, I've started out by acting out a bit before getting into the pace of the game, and then I've been perceived as scum despite being very town... Heck, I don't remember playing scum IRL much either, so I honestly don't even have a scum game. I have yet to have a circumstance where I get to figure it out. Doesn't help that Cantrip's scum game is amazing, as far as I've seen.
What makes you think tom?
What's wrong with walls? It's just a multi-person response... Though I can see a case on Huntz.
POE and tone.
Why do u feel walls are in my scum meta?
Also, any other actual reads? Scum ones in particular
So you're going with your lesser scum read why?
Patience, patience. (Thought I'd have time to get to them in another post after dealing with shadow but I was wrong about that.)
Speaking of that:
I don't know, why *does* it feel weird to you?
As for the question I think you're *actually* trying to ask ("why is Az more likely scum if Osie is scum") - if I'm wrong and Osie is scum, then either one or more scum were bussing or all of the scum were offwagon. I think bussing is less likely than usual for reasons already explained, which would mean both of the scum were offwagon - in which case they were either passively allowing the wagon (in which case why not try for buscred?) or trying to counterwagon and Az's vote was the only vote I could see being a counterwagon attempt.
Also, explain why you think I'm "pushing for Osie being town really hard"? I thought I was pretty clear that I my thought process was less "I have a strong townread on Osie" and more "I have very strong reservations about how this wagon has developed and think Osie is more likely town than not because of it".
Gut. It's an intuitive thing that I'm emphasizing more heavily since my traditional best tool (tonal analysis) is having problems.
Speaking of that, kind of think one scum started posting before I did and one scum started posting after I did. Not sure about the third, could go either way. That would put one or two scum in {Osie, Iso, shadow, D_V, Killjoy} and 1-2 in {tomsloger, Hunt, Anak, Az, kpaca} - technically Cyan goes in the latter group but I don't think he's scum.
Low-confidence moderate-strength townread, especially given Osie is apparently new to Mafia in the forum environment? Their early posting was concerning, but their more recent posts look consistent with a town thought process and morphologically they're reminding me of a kind of weak analytical player who tends to get run up D1 but doesn't usually flip scum. Not ironclad confident - I'm not great at direct mindset assessment, and the way Osie's reads mirror the thread consensus in 59 gives me pause - but couple that with how Osie's wagon blew up and I do not want to lynch Osie toDay.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
*cocks head* I think I'll pass on that for the moment.
Who said it was my lesser scum read?
Tom's my lesser scum read by far, then hunt, then Tar. Tar and Hunt are both pretty blatant IMO. I'm borrowing a few points from Iso's recent techniques there, combined with my usual approach.
I'd be more specific, but as with Tom's request above, discussing the tells in exhaustive detail at this point really only helps shore up their play at a point in the game where they could very well sharply improve from here on out and fool others. So, I'd rather encourage others to examine their posts and reach similar conclusions independently, if they're able.
It is 1 minute to deadline. There are two wagons at L-1: a wagon on me and a wagon on J. Random Sleb, a hypothetical player who you have a null read on and who has no relevant interactions. You are the only player not voting, and no one else is online. Who do you hammer, and why?
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Can you explain the Iso, D_V, and Cyan reads (assuming the list is ordered in townread strength, which I think is safe given 115)? I've got Iso down as "too early to tell, but early game is not encouraging", Cyan's my strongest townread, and D_V's my second strongest scumread (based mostly on post 35) but I'm not as confident about that read as I'd like.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Do you *really* want me to answer this question?
You, on the other hand, I'll just go ahead and answer: it tells me that the Mafioso with Iso flavor is the Mafia disruptive role.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Not in any particular order, but in short, they're tone and mindset reads.
Nothing!
i like yours. dont like his.
i think i like tare's as well but undecided
yeah, thats not gonna work for me.
i had one post when you made that list. making me scum by "poe and tone".
i don't believe you have exhaustive reasoning on that
vote az
youre both pretty
and youre both antitown right now
shadow vanilla town
ur welcum scum
Tare, your answer to my flavor question doesn't track, also, go into why you think you can accurately say that at least one scum posted before and after you, that sort of analysis makes no sense to me.
Tom, doesn't that spoiler technically make you join our anti town group? I mean, apart from the WIFOM anyway.
Osie: Does your role really say "town!cantrip" and not just Cantrip?
Its Azreal Azreal reads are incredibly bad.
Unvote Vote Azreal
Explain this.
I was thinking that as well, but that seems too easy.Also I don't think Az and Tare are scum together I think?
This is a weird response.
There's no reason you can't put your vote back on Tare when Hunt is dead. I feel like you'd know this.
I don't believe it moved too quickly at all. I think the wagon speed was fine. I just think there was some bussing going on. I'm thinking one scum on the wagon, one scum off.
You, because you asked this question.
Why do you think this line of thinking is productive?
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here, although I feel like that makes them less likely scum together.
Cool.
I was going through the thread in order. Someone mentioned Osie was at l-2, and I had no intentions of abruptly ending the day or putting Osie in self hammer range. As I went down posts, turns out L-2 wasn't true, so I put my vote down where I wanted it.
lol whose team are you on?
osieorb18 (3) - Killjoy, Anaklusmos, Huntzilla
Taredas (3) - Azrael, kpaca, shadowlancerx
D_V (2) - Iso, osieorb18
shadowlancerx (1) - Taredas
Azrael (2) - tomsloger, D_V
Not Voting (1): Cyan
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
I could write you a 60 page dissertation on a single sentence post if I cared to. And having already arrived at nine town reads and two scum reads, and having reasons for each, it feels fairly exhaustive to detail rah of those in writing, yes, actually.
Again, this makes no sense.
God it would be awfully repetitive and needlessly long. In a game such as this if you can't make your argument with a few if.. then.. because.. statements then it probabally doesn't hold much merit.
Also, I'll ask again why are you voting a lesser scum read?
Your scum list has Taredas in the middle. That means you either weight Hunt or Tom as a greater scum likelihood, while Taredas is secondary in both cases. Since your ordering for town was Greatest to least townie I would assume your list follows similarly so Hunt being the most town and tom being the least town.
Perhaps you meant it as Most scum to least, but either way Taredas is your lesser read.
I'm inclined to think that it may be Taredas, but also could be Tom. Less so on Tom.
This also makes me think Osie is the last scum.
but im thinking huntz
"Rats and jackals feast in his swath, but even they will not walk with him." - Mangara
Really?
@Tom you gonna share with the class doe?
I definitely voted for Taredas before, but just the same, Vote Taredas
...or you missed reading the part where I said it had no particular order to it. Taredas is my most scummy. I wouldn't be voting him otherwise. It's too early in the game to have this many people flunking their reading comprehension.
I suppose we'll shortly be at the point where I have to explain my reads, but I was hoping Iso or someone else would ride on in here shortly and chime in with some helpful tips.
I'm starting to see where Iso's coming from on the explaining your reads bit being tedious, while the figuring out bit is the fun part. That's probably not a good thing. *frowns*
Bad Azrael! *whacks self on nose with newspaper*
My reading comp must be really bad.
Could you please highlight where you said that.
If in no particular order why are you on top of the town?
I had to host a housewarming party for my new home, go away. I'll post relevant stuff sometime this week.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Post 115 and 119, 119 was a direct reply to you...
Perhaps I listed myself first as a town-clear because that was the first person it occurred to me to town-clear. *level look*
That would imply an order.
Specifically, Cantripmancer (Town). So far I haven't escape the randomly getting only vanilla town when I got onsite (I am not sure if I've ever played scum IRL either, though I have occasionally gotten non-vanilla town or played the narrator).
So voting me was just convenient? That doesn't sound very good. Are you sure you don't have a stronger scumread on someone else?
@kpaca, you changed to vote Taredas right after Post 68. What convinced you that Taredas was scum?
@Azrael - I think Tom may have claimed Bur (mislynches day 1) rather than Huntzilla. Not sure on this, but maybe. Between that and my toneread on him, I think he's probably town. Can you give your current thoughts on Killjoy (strong versus weak townread) and why?
@Huntz, @Iso: If exactly two of Killjoy, Taredas, Anaklusmos, and Azrael were scum, which ones would it be?
@D_V: The nitpicking is just annoying. Could you not?
Its not though?