I'm here, mostly waiting for AG's catchup. I'll also have thoughts on hunt/grape and Terry/Cyan later today.
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
I'm here, mostly waiting for AG's catchup. I'll also have thoughts on hunt/grape and Terry/Cyan later today.
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
Alliance rating? Sorry, I don't know what you mean there. Also, I tried to clarify, I'm not a doctor. I did get to claim range, but didn't claim exactly what I am, only that I can prove my alignment tomorrow. I used the word doctor, in an example to explain why I claimed flavor in full, but only softclaimed power.
I might do a stream of posts as I catch up and thoughts occur to me:
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Are you voting me for liking Kit's #251 without voting you when you just said you liked Kit's #251 as well? What's the difference between you liking that post and me liking it?
I obviously don't agree with myself being a wolf. You might or might not, and your post would imply that you do, otherwise you would have made a point to Kit at the time that you agree with the town reads, but not the GJ read.
Or, you would have agreed with the whole thing, prodded me, or bare minimum, voted me. Instead, you came off as looking like you were trying to keep your options open. Like I said in the original post, the hedge was what bothered me, and the radio silence of your post.
@KJ: I may have slanked the last few days, but in comparrison, I have been one of the more active players in the game so I resent the lazy comment.
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Hey, now that all the requisite games are over, I wanted to kind of poke holes in your champs rule. Both of the games I've been scum (Bare Bones and Overwatch) and not followed champs rule at all. I feel like you should maybe scum hunt first, and use it as a support tool instead of leaning on it.
It's not a hard rule and even if it was, you don't normally push it day 1 (which is why despite my occasional whining, I don't believe I have voted Cythare. Another reason I am more hard into the lurkers as usual is because the more active players I am town reading (which is why I said earlier I was a bit wary I didn't have a deep wolf).
Me being a lazy bastard just quoted the post count. Of the first page, the only wolf read I really have here is Hunt (I was wolf reading Joe earlier, but I felt better and haven't checked back since). I probably just need to start isoing people and see if something sticks, but just for reference, why most of my wolf reads are towards the lower end of the posting pool.
I'm here, mostly waiting for AG's catchup. I'll also have thoughts on hunt/grape and Terry/Cyan later today.
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
Alliance rating? Sorry, I don't know what you mean there. Also, I tried to clarify, I'm not a doctor. I did get to claim range, but didn't claim exactly what I am, only that I can prove my alignment tomorrow. I used the word doctor, in an example to explain why I claimed flavor in full, but only softclaimed power.
Might as well be then. I worded it strangely for some reason. Basically, I am asking you how many wolves do you think were on your wagon?
I'm here, mostly waiting for AG's catchup. I'll also have thoughts on hunt/grape and Terry/Cyan later today.
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
Alliance rating? Sorry, I don't know what you mean there. Also, I tried to clarify, I'm not a doctor. I did get to claim range, but didn't claim exactly what I am, only that I can prove my alignment tomorrow. I used the word doctor, in an example to explain why I claimed flavor in full, but only softclaimed power.
Might as well be then. I worded it strangely for some reason. Basically, I am asking you how many wolves do you think were on your wagon?
Without doing too much math, I'd say 1 or 2, and it also depends if you could AG as on my wagon. Because he's scum for sure, and just refused to actually place a vote. I'd like to go and look at places where the wagon lost steam, and who voted just after that to keep it going.
I'm here, mostly waiting for AG's catchup. I'll also have thoughts on hunt/grape and Terry/Cyan later today.
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
Alliance rating? Sorry, I don't know what you mean there. Also, I tried to clarify, I'm not a doctor. I did get to claim range, but didn't claim exactly what I am, only that I can prove my alignment tomorrow. I used the word doctor, in an example to explain why I claimed flavor in full, but only softclaimed power.
Might as well be then. I worded it strangely for some reason. Basically, I am asking you how many wolves do you think were on your wagon?
Without doing too much math, I'd say 1 or 2, and it also depends if you could AG as on my wagon. Because he's scum for sure, and just refused to actually place a vote. I'd like to go and look at places where the wagon lost steam, and who voted just after that to keep it going.
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So many RVS posts without votes. If we didn't have a scum claim I'd be mighty suspicious right about now... >_>
Aha. Um. I see no real scum claim sooo.. why point out a joke earlier on to push a real point?
At this point in rvs we have:
Bur voting TRSJT
Cant voting Shadow
Shadow voting Cant
Grape voting Bur
Mind voting Hunt
Logic voting Apox GJ posts and doesnt vote
AG voting Bur
Kitbits voting GJ
Gruffin voting AG
Rhand Voting GJ Cyan posts and doesn't vote
So.. no. Everyone but 2 people have voted in rvs so far. Where do you not see votes?
Stuff like this is why everyone always thinks you are scum.
What stuff? I'm legit not seeing anything.
@Rhand: How's Kit mudslinging?
Bur, i even thought that post was weird. 2 votes one post on an rvs post?
Am i the only one that finds Grapefruits weird comment(see above quote) to be false? Rhands #34 seems like he is intentionally forgetting the fact that everyone had voted so far (with the exception of 2 people) A quick look back would have pointed that out. oh look, Rhand did look back...
To explain in more words: when I read his post, my reaction was "oh, did Grapefruit accuse others for not voting while he's not voting himself? That's bad." If I wouldn't have looked back, that would've made Grapefruit scummy in my eyes. But then I did read back and saw he was voting, so Kit's accusation is baseless and serves only to make Grapefruit look bad.
Dear god that was page 1.
I like Burs suspicion of everyone calling him town. GJ's explination on why he fits as town makes sense to me only because he didn't vote anyone so his words seem to hold more impact. Idk if that is towny or a well thought out scum ploy
Vote Bur definitely scum this time! Just look at that egging on.
Hey, I have a really nice and comfy pocket. I know you want to go there, it's really great. It's the greatest. Greatest pocket on the earth, you'll totally love it, okay?
...no?
I always wonder about posts like these? Truth in plain sight or a reaction test? I lean more toward the latter for now but knowing how you pocketed us in fairy tail mafia there is truth in this statement.
This is an odd statement. what does it say about his alignment?
Okay. So that is halfway through page 2 and I am.. done. Guh. i hate this. and i am sure you guys will hate the wall of text.
unvote vote Grape
Rhand makes some good points in #92 until he gets to gruffin. Gruffins post assumes that GJ is saying something he might not be nor can i interpret him as saying with that post (3 votes on bur in rvs: one is scum) Possible Rhand and Gruffin dichotomy. The fact he is going after Kit (who from what i can read is a newbie...) is low. Also asking how experienced he is.. when it's obvious he has never played before (asking about what V/LA is for example)
Grape strangely keeps his RVS vote saying bur is scum because of feels. actually looks like lazy scum not wanting to change his vote, so he conjurs up a reason to keep it. i like my vote so far.
(GAHHH THIS IS TORTURE. NOBODY IS SWITCHING VOTES FROM RVS AND IT HURTS)
Okay so shadows vote on Logic feels good.
Guys i hate this. I hate it so much. This game is BORRRRRING. No offence.
Oh.. STJ... you.. um.. Lemme see what hunt does.
**** MORE people posting for the first time. GUYS I DO NOT HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN FOR THIS *****.
Mindreavers vote on gruffin is nice. (daychat slip):D
And RTJS' #141 is enough to put him as scum. okay.
Grape or RTJS will be good enough lynches for me today. I can't focus enough to do 8 more pages of this. Sorry. That's the best you will get from me for now. I'll do better toMorrow.
Can someone point me to whoever claimed and what post annnnnd a current votecount could help as well.
Town reads go as such:
Bur
GJ
Hunt
Everyone else is scum.
Game solved. Rodemy out. :sunglasses:
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I really dislike this post.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
I'll let GF answer what his purpose was.
But I'm curious what YOU think his purpose would be if he were scum.
It just...it doesn't have purpose. What reason is there to tell someone stuff about their own alignment/reads on them?
I would like to add onto this. As scum, you want to sound like you are town, right? So saying things with no fluff is a scum way of sounding town. This is a good example, as well as the first post of GF that i pointed out (saying there were many posts and no RVS votes when there were clearly plenty of RVS votes) As scum, he could say that to push convo forward but still sound town, yet forget that what he said sounds weird coming from actual town.
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Welcome Fulcrum! To save you some time your slot is as close to blank as it gets.
I really dislike this post.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
I'll let GF answer what his purpose was.
But I'm curious what YOU think his purpose would be if he were scum.
It just...it doesn't have purpose. What reason is there to tell someone stuff about their own alignment/reads on them?
I would like to add onto this. As scum, you want to sound like you are town, right? So saying things with no fluff is a scum way of sounding town. This is a good example, as well as the first post of GF that i pointed out (saying there were many posts and no RVS votes when there were clearly plenty of RVS votes) As scum, he could say that to push convo forward but still sound town, yet forget that what he said sounds weird coming from actual town.
To be clear, you're arguing that townies often make posts that don't actually say anything(why you would think this is town is beyond me), and scum might try to mimic this.
Please provide a single example of this ever happening in the history of this site.
But I'm curious what YOU think his purpose would be if he were scum.
It just...it doesn't have purpose. What reason is there to tell someone stuff about their own alignment/reads on them?
I would like to add onto this. As scum, you want to sound like you are town, right? So saying things with no fluff is a scum way of sounding town. This is a good example, as well as the first post of GF that i pointed out (saying there were many posts and no RVS votes when there were clearly plenty of RVS votes) As scum, he could say that to push convo forward but still sound town, yet forget that what he said sounds weird coming from actual town.
To be clear, you're arguing that townies often make posts that don't actually say anything(why you would think this is town is beyond me), and scum might try to mimic this.
Please provide a single example of this ever happening in the history of this site.
No i am saying that scum can say things that sound like town, but dont say anything. It's not town at all. Town wouldn't say things such as "So many posts in RVS and no votes" when there are clearly plenty of RVS votes if you just LOOK.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
However, I notice that his three townreads are all in my null pile. So, why are they town?
Also, expand on the Grape vote please Rodemy?
Grapes post that i quoted makes no sense coming from town. But makes sense if you see it as scum trying to look town. If you look, there are obviously plenty of votes in rvs, so why say that? Its a gut read.
Hunt actually i want to move to null.
We all noticed his reference to bare bones with the "vote no lynch" tactic.
Yet when stj did exactly what shadow did in that game, he doesn't bat an eye (correct me if i am wrong) i read a few pages past tk see if it was mentioned, but again it was a quick skim.
Rhand is lean scum due to his lack of comment on the fact grape blatently stated a false fact about the amount if votes, nd actually townread him for it. Feels coverupy.
Oh man, wine this early in the game? *****.
But i like my wine. *sip*
For those that havent played with me, lemme give you a rundown of my playstyle:
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I know that I shouldn't let a simple packman perturb me. However, he is from Terris, where the prophecies originated. If anyone could spot a fraud, would it not be he?
Nevertheless, I continue my trek, going where the scribbled auguries proclaim that I will meet my destiny--walking, feeling Rashek's eyes on my back. Jealous. Mocking. Hating.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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I really dislike this post.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
To welcome him to the game. I didn't really think much beyond that.
I will note that you were quick to attack me after I called you scum by association without replying to the content of my Huntzilla wall at all. I mean I think scum shadow is better than that based on Overwatch and BrB, but I sure don't see why town shadow would ignore it.
@Rodemy To me two first RVS posts without a vote is significant. Do you have anything else or is that it? Cause I'm not really sure that sticking to my guns on Bur and making a statement I see as factual that you dispute as much of a case.
Welcome Fulcrum! To save you some time your slot is as close to blank as it gets.
I really dislike this post.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
To welcome him to the game. I didn't really think much beyond that.
I will note that you were quick to attack me after I called you scum by association without replying to the content of my Huntzilla wall at all. I mean I think scum shadow is better than that based on Overwatch and BrB, but I sure don't see why town shadow would ignore it.
@Rodemy To me two first RVS posts without a vote is significant. Do you have anything else or is that it? Cause I'm not really sure that sticking to my guns on Bur and making a statement I see as factual that you dispute as much of a case.
Didn't really think it was worth replying too. I think Hunt is more likely town and he can fight his own battles, so even if he was to flip, it shouldn't matter to me at all.
@Shadow I just don't get what you're seeing in my welcome to Fulcrum. His slot has factually done literally nothing. Is welcoming someone and giving them a quick update on their position in the game so strange? I can find examples of people being told their status immediately on replacing in, usually in context of stepping up or get lynched.
@Shadow I just don't get what you're seeing in my welcome to Fulcrum. His slot has factually done literally nothing. Is welcoming someone and giving them a quick update on their position in the game so strange? I can find examples of people being told their status immediately on replacing in, usually in context of stepping up or get lynched.
The phrasing was bad though. "To save you some time..." How does it save fulcrum time?
@Shadow I just don't get what you're seeing in my welcome to Fulcrum. His slot has factually done literally nothing. Is welcoming someone and giving them a quick update on their position in the game so strange? I can find examples of people being told their status immediately on replacing in, usually in context of stepping up or get lynched.
The phrasing was bad though. "To save you some time..." How does it save fulcrum time?
I guess it doesn't, the intent was so he doesn't have to waste time worrying about what sort of standing Cythare left him in.
@grape
The only way I could see your welcome post being scummy is if we assume that scum do not have day chat and that you are trying to coach a buddy entering the thread. It's also sweet that you think I would try to pocket you. It's not really my thing, but see what you wanna. I like pressure my way day one. Not scared of a wagon forming. Cyan's got no case and he knows it which is why he's deflecting.
GJ just wants to kill whoever. Seriously, read his last couple pages. He's content with anyone dying basically. I'm trying to figure out if it's just lazy or malicious. Other than that, nobody with gravitas is as worried about me.
As for AG, I have no dog in that fight. Dude is null to me currentlyrics, oohing pinged me either way. Not going to be bullied into an opinion that isn't formed yet.
"I'm Hunt and I already look like scum, quick lemme vote one of the most obviously town people around'.
Get out of here.
And there's no way AG should be 'null' to anyone. He has a considerable # of relevant posts. You should have SOME read on him. Either A)you are scum that doesn't want to push a wagon on a buddy that might not go anywhere or B)you are scum that is hoping the wagon will just go on without you.
That's weird, I was going to do some VA, but it just posted that. Ignore the quote VC, which I think is wrong because I'm pretty sure Mindreaver unvoted. I'm pretty sure GJ's vote is on me not kitbits. I kind of want to take a closer look at the Mindreaver Wagon and the non-voters first. Besides the non-voters, Grapefruit, AtheistGod and Logic have all had their votes on Bur, Bur and Apocado, respectively, from their first posts (which I need to look into).
My reads on my VC analysis concerns Grapefruit: I'm actually liking where Grapefruit is going with things. At first his vote staying on Bur from the beginning seemed weird, but I think he's actually confident in it. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but his confidence alleviates some of my laziness concerns. They aren't afraid to state a different opinion than the crowd. Overall pretty good posting. I always like that they aren't sold on GJ. AtheistGod: On the other hand, AG's posts are exactly what I expect to see from scum that left their RVS vote on the whole day so far. Very little or even none of what AG has posted this game is actually informative or original. There seems to be very little effort being put forth. AG does not look town to me from his Post Analysis. Logic: Has left his original RVS vote on, but has been putting in some effort and been battling access issues. I'd like to see more from him, but lean town. Shadow: What drew my attention from the VC was his non-voting status, but I see in his Post Analysis that he has voted more than most, which makes me feel ok. I feel like one of town's main weapons are votes and I see Shadow using them, but his unvote of Mindreaver makes me uncomfortable because it feels insincere (see post #233). It gives me a slight sense of light scum distancing, with out pushing too hard. I'm not sold on shadow. I'll give him Null for now. Cythare: Two total posts with zero content... dead weight or scum
I'm going to look at the Mindreaver Wagon when I have another break.
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I really dislike this post.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
To welcome him to the game. I didn't really think much beyond that.
I will note that you were quick to attack me after I called you scum by association without replying to the content of my Huntzilla wall at all. I mean I think scum shadow is better than that based on Overwatch and BrB, but I sure don't see why town shadow would ignore it.
@Rodemy To me two first RVS posts without a vote is significant. Do you have anything else or is that it? Cause I'm not really sure that sticking to my guns on Bur and making a statement I see as factual that you dispute as much of a case.
Didn't really think it was worth replying too. I think Hunt is more likely town and he can fight his own battles, so even if he was to flip, it shouldn't matter to me at all.
The phrasing in this is all wrong. Fight his own battles implies a team imo. "Even if he was to flip", sounds like he knows he will. Not a scumclaim, but worth noting
@SJT I kind of agree that Shadow that feels all off on this push. Having seen scum!Shadow I don't think he this blatantly chainsaws to protect a buddy, but I'm not really sure what town!Shadow is doing here. Pushing me over that Fulcrum post is just a strange thing latch onto and I'm not able to follow why he thinks it is scummy.
What do you think of my case on Huntz? How convinced are you that Cyan is scum? You should vote Huntzilla with me.
@SJT I kind of agree that Shadow that feels all off on this push. Having seen scum!Shadow I don't think he this blatantly chainsaws to protect a buddy, but I'm not really sure what town!Shadow is doing here. Pushing me over that Fulcrum post is just a strange thing latch onto and I'm not able to follow why he thinks it is scummy.
What do you think of my case on Huntz? How convinced are you that Cyan is scum? You should vote Huntzilla with me.
Frankly, I am pushing you despite my better judgement because I have no sense of what direction to take this game. Your responses to pressure have been reasonable, you've got good answers to what I thought I was seeing, and I'm just stuck in this rose colored world view that isn't suiting me.
I think I need to just do a full on refresh, read the game without preconceived views and go from there.
Also, Rhand, can you link me a recent scum game of yours?
@SJT I kind of agree that Shadow that feels all off on this push. Having seen scum!Shadow I don't think he this blatantly chainsaws to protect a buddy, but I'm not really sure what town!Shadow is doing here. Pushing me over that Fulcrum post is just a strange thing latch onto and I'm not able to follow why he thinks it is scummy.
What do you think of my case on Huntz? How convinced are you that Cyan is scum? You should vote Huntzilla with me.
Frankly, I am pushing you despite my better judgement because I have no sense of what direction to take this game. Your responses to pressure have been reasonable, you've got good answers to what I thought I was seeing, and I'm just stuck in this rose colored world view that isn't suiting me.
I think I need to just do a full on refresh, read the game without preconceived views and go from there.
Also, Rhand, can you link me a recent scum game of yours?
This post is gross. It comes across to me completely as a scum trying to look like a town that is doing their best to be straightforward and honestly but is just..failing miserably at it.
@Shadow I read your Iso after getting excited that I'd caught you and Huntz as scum buddies and it doesn't really look that scummy at all.
I do have a couple of lingering questions from it though, you have twice voted me for reasons you haven't articulated well. How much of this second vote was lingering suspicion from your first vote on me vs actually scum reading my greeting to Fulcrum? Second you have left the window open to revote in most of your unvotes, why? Last you snapped pretty quickly from voting me with Bur as a likely partner, to asking Bur for his opinion of me, to voting Bur, then back to voting me. It's a progression I had a hard time following, can you explain what you were thinking?
That's weird, I was going to do some VA, but it just posted that. Ignore the quote VC, which I think is wrong because I'm pretty sure Mindreaver unvoted. I'm pretty sure GJ's vote is on me not kitbits. I kind of want to take a closer look at the Mindreaver Wagon and the non-voters first. Besides the non-voters, Grapefruit, AtheistGod and Logic have all had their votes on Bur, Bur and Apocado, respectively, from their first posts (which I need to look into).
My reads on my VC analysis concerns Grapefruit: I'm actually liking where Grapefruit is going with things. At first his vote staying on Bur from the beginning seemed weird, but I think he's actually confident in it. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but his confidence alleviates some of my laziness concerns. They aren't afraid to state a different opinion than the crowd. Overall pretty good posting. I always like that they aren't sold on GJ. AtheistGod: On the other hand, AG's posts are exactly what I expect to see from scum that left their RVS vote on the whole day so far. Very little or even none of what AG has posted this game is actually informative or original. There seems to be very little effort being put forth. AG does not look town to me from his Post Analysis. Logic: Has left his original RVS vote on, but has been putting in some effort and been battling access issues. I'd like to see more from him, but lean town. Shadow: What drew my attention from the VC was his non-voting status, but I see in his Post Analysis that he has voted more than most, which makes me feel ok. I feel like one of town's main weapons are votes and I see Shadow using them, but his unvote of Mindreaver makes me uncomfortable because it feels insincere (see post #233). It gives me a slight sense of light scum distancing, with out pushing too hard. I'm not sold on shadow. I'll give him Null for now. Cythare: Two total posts with zero content... dead weight or scum
I'm going to look at the Mindreaver Wagon when I have another break.
is original thought required to be town?
that question was getting at SJTs mindset, not a defense of AG.
I unexpectedly spent yesterday with my mom and my brother's baby.
Lots of fun, but didn't help me to continue my reread :/
I'll try to get it finished today, but it's my BF's day off, so I hope he doesn't want me to spend time with him
I still need to catch up, but today I will. That said, judging by Cyan's comment about you being doctor, I assume you got to claim range. What do you think the alliance rating of players voting you were?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I obviously don't agree with myself being a wolf. You might or might not, and your post would imply that you do, otherwise you would have made a point to Kit at the time that you agree with the town reads, but not the GJ read.
Or, you would have agreed with the whole thing, prodded me, or bare minimum, voted me. Instead, you came off as looking like you were trying to keep your options open. Like I said in the original post, the hedge was what bothered me, and the radio silence of your post.
@KJ: I may have slanked the last few days, but in comparrison, I have been one of the more active players in the game so I resent the lazy comment.
It's not a hard rule and even if it was, you don't normally push it day 1 (which is why despite my occasional whining, I don't believe I have voted Cythare. Another reason I am more hard into the lurkers as usual is because the more active players I am town reading (which is why I said earlier I was a bit wary I didn't have a deep wolf).
Me being a lazy bastard just quoted the post count. Of the first page, the only wolf read I really have here is Hunt (I was wolf reading Joe earlier, but I felt better and haven't checked back since). I probably just need to start isoing people and see if something sticks, but just for reference, why most of my wolf reads are towards the lower end of the posting pool.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Might as well be then. I worded it strangely for some reason. Basically, I am asking you how many wolves do you think were on your wagon?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
mmm.
Did Proph move the deadline back?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
On an off topic question did you manually count posts or is there a way to have mtgs do it for you?
Any thoughts on Huntz you are willing to share yet?
If you click on the post number in the thread page, it will show you each user in post count order. It's also the easiest way to ISO someone.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Still searching for a replacement for Kitbits.
Grapefruit, what purpose does this serve?
The deadline will be extended by a couple of days in order to get the replacements caught up. How does.. this Tuesday (March 21) sound?
I'll let GF answer what his purpose was.
But I'm curious what YOU think his purpose would be if he were scum.
The deadline will be extended by a couple of days in order to get the replacements caught up. How does.. this Tuesday (March 21) sound?
vote seppel
This is the first post that sticks out to me. I catch the reference.. but it's strange. Lacks any sort of momentum..
Aha. Um. I see no real scum claim sooo.. why point out a joke earlier on to push a real point?
At this point in rvs we have:
Bur voting TRSJT
Cant voting Shadow
Shadow voting Cant
Grape voting Bur
Mind voting Hunt
Logic voting Apox
GJ posts and doesnt vote
AG voting Bur
Kitbits voting GJ
Gruffin voting AG
Rhand Voting GJ
Cyan posts and doesn't vote
So.. no. Everyone but 2 people have voted in rvs so far. Where do you not see votes?
Bur, i even thought that post was weird. 2 votes one post on an rvs post?
Am i the only one that finds Grapefruits weird comment(see above quote) to be false? Rhands #34 seems like he is intentionally forgetting the fact that everyone had voted so far (with the exception of 2 people) A quick look back would have pointed that out. oh look, Rhand did look back...
Dear god that was page 1.
I like Burs suspicion of everyone calling him town. GJ's explination on why he fits as town makes sense to me only because he didn't vote anyone so his words seem to hold more impact. Idk if that is towny or a well thought out scum ploy
I don't see how you got him implying there was scum pushing bur in RVS. Feels like you pulled that out of yer butt.
Shadow sounds very floppy on page 2. Town reading GJ even though he is going against his meta (not voting no lynch), but using meta to townclear (#63)
This is an odd statement. what does it say about his alignment?
Okay. So that is halfway through page 2 and I am.. done. Guh. i hate this. and i am sure you guys will hate the wall of text.
unvote vote Grape
Rhand makes some good points in #92 until he gets to gruffin. Gruffins post assumes that GJ is saying something he might not be nor can i interpret him as saying with that post (3 votes on bur in rvs: one is scum) Possible Rhand and Gruffin dichotomy. The fact he is going after Kit (who from what i can read is a newbie...) is low. Also asking how experienced he is.. when it's obvious he has never played before (asking about what V/LA is for example)
Grape strangely keeps his RVS vote saying bur is scum because of feels. actually looks like lazy scum not wanting to change his vote, so he conjurs up a reason to keep it. i like my vote so far.
(GAHHH THIS IS TORTURE. NOBODY IS SWITCHING VOTES FROM RVS AND IT HURTS)
Okay so shadows vote on Logic feels good.
Guys i hate this. I hate it so much. This game is BORRRRRING. No offence.
Oh.. STJ... you.. um.. Lemme see what hunt does.
**** MORE people posting for the first time. GUYS I DO NOT HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN FOR THIS *****.
Mindreavers vote on gruffin is nice. (daychat slip):D
And RTJS' #141 is enough to put him as scum. okay.
Grape or RTJS will be good enough lynches for me today. I can't focus enough to do 8 more pages of this. Sorry. That's the best you will get from me for now. I'll do better toMorrow.
Can someone point me to whoever claimed and what post annnnnd a current votecount could help as well.
Town reads go as such:
Bur
GJ
Hunt
Everyone else is scum.
Game solved. Rodemy out. :sunglasses:
I would like to add onto this. As scum, you want to sound like you are town, right? So saying things with no fluff is a scum way of sounding town. This is a good example, as well as the first post of GF that i pointed out (saying there were many posts and no RVS votes when there were clearly plenty of RVS votes) As scum, he could say that to push convo forward but still sound town, yet forget that what he said sounds weird coming from actual town.
To be clear, you're arguing that townies often make posts that don't actually say anything(why you would think this is town is beyond me), and scum might try to mimic this.
Please provide a single example of this ever happening in the history of this site.
No i am saying that scum can say things that sound like town, but dont say anything. It's not town at all. Town wouldn't say things such as "So many posts in RVS and no votes" when there are clearly plenty of RVS votes if you just LOOK.
However, I notice that his three townreads are all in my null pile. So, why are they town?
Also, expand on the Grape vote please Rodemy?
Grapes post that i quoted makes no sense coming from town. But makes sense if you see it as scum trying to look town. If you look, there are obviously plenty of votes in rvs, so why say that? Its a gut read.
Hunt actually i want to move to null.
We all noticed his reference to bare bones with the "vote no lynch" tactic.
Yet when stj did exactly what shadow did in that game, he doesn't bat an eye (correct me if i am wrong) i read a few pages past tk see if it was mentioned, but again it was a quick skim.
Rhand is lean scum due to his lack of comment on the fact grape blatently stated a false fact about the amount if votes, nd actually townread him for it. Feels coverupy.
Oh man, wine this early in the game? *****.
But i like my wine. *sip*
For those that havent played with me, lemme give you a rundown of my playstyle:
*crickets chirping*
Any questions?
Nevertheless, I continue my trek, going where the scribbled auguries proclaim that I will meet my destiny--walking, feeling Rashek's eyes on my back. Jealous. Mocking. Hating.
Vote Count 1.13 (9 to lynch)
[3] AtheistGod - Gentleman Johnny, Mindreaver, Cyan
[2] Cyan - Gruffinchops, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
[2] Bur - shadowlancerx, AtheistGod
[1] Mindreaver - quixotic72
[1] Huntzilla - Grapefruit21
[1] Grapefruit21 - Rodemy
Not Voting: fulcrum, Bur, killjoy, Cantripmancer, Rhand, Huntzilla
quixotic is V/LA for this week.
Deadline is Tuesday, March 21st. Please double check this votecount, fairly sure I may have miscounted the votes.
I mentioned sjt doing that in my reads list. That is the only other mention I remember.
Honestly, i dont remember. i reread what i had said a billion times and figured he was better null than town for that
@shadow yeah yeah yeah. I know.
To welcome him to the game. I didn't really think much beyond that.
I will note that you were quick to attack me after I called you scum by association without replying to the content of my Huntzilla wall at all. I mean I think scum shadow is better than that based on Overwatch and BrB, but I sure don't see why town shadow would ignore it.
@Rodemy To me two first RVS posts without a vote is significant. Do you have anything else or is that it? Cause I'm not really sure that sticking to my guns on Bur and making a statement I see as factual that you dispute as much of a case.
Unvote, Vote Grapefruit I have no real drive towards Bur right now anyway.
I guess it doesn't, the intent was so he doesn't have to waste time worrying about what sort of standing Cythare left him in.
@grape
The only way I could see your welcome post being scummy is if we assume that scum do not have day chat and that you are trying to coach a buddy entering the thread. It's also sweet that you think I would try to pocket you. It's not really my thing, but see what you wanna. I like pressure my way day one. Not scared of a wagon forming. Cyan's got no case and he knows it which is why he's deflecting.
GJ just wants to kill whoever. Seriously, read his last couple pages. He's content with anyone dying basically. I'm trying to figure out if it's just lazy or malicious. Other than that, nobody with gravitas is as worried about me.
As for AG, I have no dog in that fight. Dude is null to me currentlyrics, oohing pinged me either way. Not going to be bullied into an opinion that isn't formed yet.
Vote GJ
Staying quiet on some thoughts for a bit.
Get out of here.
And there's no way AG should be 'null' to anyone. He has a considerable # of relevant posts. You should have SOME read on him. Either A)you are scum that doesn't want to push a wagon on a buddy that might not go anywhere or B)you are scum that is hoping the wagon will just go on without you.
Either way you're scum. Unvote, Vote hunt
What do you think of my case on Huntz? How convinced are you that Cyan is scum? You should vote Huntzilla with me.
I think I need to just do a full on refresh, read the game without preconceived views and go from there.
Also, Rhand, can you link me a recent scum game of yours?
This post is gross. It comes across to me completely as a scum trying to look like a town that is doing their best to be straightforward and honestly but is just..failing miserably at it.
What do you think of my Huntz wall?
@Everyone what o you think of my Huntz wall it's been disappointingly ignored.
I do have a couple of lingering questions from it though, you have twice voted me for reasons you haven't articulated well. How much of this second vote was lingering suspicion from your first vote on me vs actually scum reading my greeting to Fulcrum? Second you have left the window open to revote in most of your unvotes, why? Last you snapped pretty quickly from voting me with Bur as a likely partner, to asking Bur for his opinion of me, to voting Bur, then back to voting me. It's a progression I had a hard time following, can you explain what you were thinking?
Lots of fun, but didn't help me to continue my reread :/
I'll try to get it finished today, but it's my BF's day off, so I hope he doesn't want me to spend time with him