KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@mind: what steps have you been taking to look for vt in the thread?
I spent yesterday looking for breadcrumbs (actually, lack thereof). I'm actually surprised GJ ended up VT, because I had him as breadcrumbing vig. Although, that might have just been a gambit to draw the night kill.
Targeted Mindreaver, Rodemy, and Myself. Mind now has no excuse not to clear himself via his role so I'm waiting on that.
Well, thank you
So, I'm in kind of a weird spot. My ability is, for lack of a better term, Vanilla Town Cop. I either get the result of "Vanilla Town" or "Not Vanilla Town". My target last night, was not VT. So either I'm going to out a PR, or I found scum. I want to wait a little bit, and see how the day goes before I reveal the target. As I might get a better sense for which I've found, and it takes potential fake VT claims off the table for scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Targeted Mindreaver, Rodemy, and Myself. Mind now has no excuse not to clear himself via his role so I'm waiting on that.
Well, thank you
So, I'm in kind of a weird spot. My ability is, for lack of a better term, Vanilla Town Cop. I either get the result of "Vanilla Town" or "Not Vanilla Town". My target last night, was not VT. So either I'm going to out a PR, or I found scum. I want to wait a little bit, and see how the day goes before I reveal the target. As I might get a better sense for which I've found, and it takes potential fake VT claims off the table for scum.
Can you explain the bold? My role is quite clearly stated in PM, Town X.
The role itself is the kind of ambiguously elegant information role I can see Proph putting in a game, but the bolded feels like you're trying to think of what to call it, and like... why not just call it what it is? Or if that is the name of the role, why did you say the bolded? This is maybe just being overly nitpicky, but it feels weird to me at at first glance.
Targeted Mindreaver, Rodemy, and Myself. Mind now has no excuse not to clear himself via his role so I'm waiting on that.
Can you explain why you targeted Rodemy?
I can think of pretty much no universes where a scum team would kill him N1. I guess it's been a few years since I've read a game with him in it, and there might be some personal bias, as his posts have historically made my eyeballs want to leak out of their sockets, but... I'm just having trouble wrapping my mind around that selection.
I think I like KillJoy's attempt to trap Bur. It was perhaps too obvious what he was doing for it to work, but I don't think that's something he even thinks to do as scum.
Cyan is probably town. The EoD frustration felt very real, and the timing of the frustration was that he'd be frustrated when the lynch swung to someone that flipped town. He also has a wider scope to his reads and focus on the game than he has had as scum to my memory.
Cyan is probably town. The EoD frustration felt very real, and the timing of the frustration was that he'd be frustrated when the lynch swung to someone that flipped town. He also has a wider scope to his reads and focus on the game than he has had as scum to my memory.
even though he asked to be vigged instead of playing like a true townie and earning a nk?
Rhand is also probably town. I liked his catch on Mindreaver about the reads lists - not necessarily the content, but the conviction he had. He really thought he caught scum there, and that's hard to fake.
I guess I should just do these in one post, since I'm just skimming down the playerlist and commenting on names that jump out at me, to figure out where I'm at.
1. Grapefruit21
2. quixotic72 r. LogicoftheVI
3. shadowlancerx
4. Bur
5. Mindreaver
6. killjoy r. Apocado
7. Gruffinchops
8. Cantripmancer
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
10. Cyan
11. fulcrum r. Cythare
12. Huntzilla
13. Rhand
15. Rodemy r. Kitbits
Leaning town on Shadow mostly due to claim and willingness to test Grape. I don't think scum puts themselves out there and locks themselves into a targetable role they'll have to claim/be accountable for later.
Gruffinchops I'm leaning town on but struggling to articulate why I'm leaning town. A kind of natural inquisitiveness and trying to figure out the game maybe? I acknowledge the dangers of just shrugging and saying someone feels town, but they do.
Bur is probably my strongest non-claim scum read. Staying out of the way and not taking stances feels more like scum who is frozen into inaction and decided doing nothing looks better than doing something that'd look scummy.
Rodemy is a read I kind of hope self resolves, because I don't really want to read his posts or interact with him much. It just feels like he's playing up the scatter-shottedness and wacky aspects of his play. Fully acknowledging potential of personal bias, and not going to be voting him anytime soon, I just think he's more likely to be scum than town and am wary of people town reading him, because it feels like his posts are made with the intent of getting town read, rather than being natural.
I have virtually no thoughts or feelings on the Null cluster. Only thing of note for Fulcrum is the very blatant defense of Huntzilla. JoeTerry is kind of a huge blank to me, in that I know he made posts, but I have literally no recollection of them. Cantrip is similar, very low impact. Can anyone town reading Cantrip (I know I've seen several of those) explain the read more fully?
The claims... I'm not sure quite how I want to deal with them. I want Mindreaver to explain the bit I highlighted, but probably am willing to just let it resolve. Scum aren't going to let a fully claimed info role wander about, and if he's scum it'll be obvious as more information/claims come into the thread.
I consider it extremely unlikely both protective claims are town, but it's a possibility. Leaning towards Grape town and Hunt scum currently, but hoping those two further separate themselves behaviorally.
Cyan is probably town. The EoD frustration felt very real, and the timing of the frustration was that he'd be frustrated when the lynch swung to someone that flipped town. He also has a wider scope to his reads and focus on the game than he has had as scum to my memory.
even though he asked to be vigged instead of playing like a true townie and earning a nk?
Someone doing or saying something that'd be bad for town is not the same as someone being scum.
Like. He was frustrated, why in the world would scum ask to be vigged when they'd just gotten a mislynch?
Talk to me about Huntzilla. Talk to me about why you were so insistent on it being a bad lynch, and steering people off it, because I don't really see it. I've tried to think about various behind the scenes stuff with the role but like... he's almost definitely not lying about the role. He's probably bulletproof! But he could very well be /scum/ bulletproof. My first thought was that you were vig and were going to shoot him, but that'd be an incredible waste of resources to test the claim that isn't alignment indicative.
@mind: what steps have you been taking to look for vt in the thread?
I spent yesterday looking for breadcrumbs (actually, lack thereof). I'm actually surprised GJ ended up VT, because I had him as breadcrumbing vig. Although, that might have just been a gambit to draw the night kill.
"I thought this guy was a PR, and scum shot him, what a wacky coincidence!"
Almost don't think scum would ever be this blatant.
I've been wrestling with myself for a while about this, but like.
You keep asking everyone who they would pick for a modconfirmed cop check. Is this your role, yes or no? If it is, you are not being subtle at all, and I'd like confirmation so I can look elsewhere. If it's not, I probably want to poke you with a stick until your alignment falls out. Of your corpse. So, what's up? Are you a daycop as you've been insinuating, or are you just using that shtick as a tool to get people to take stances?
(For the record, I'd have submitted the check on Huntzilla on D1 if allowed, and definitely already today)
@mind: what steps have you been taking to look for vt in the thread?
I spent yesterday looking for breadcrumbs (actually, lack thereof). I'm actually surprised GJ ended up VT, because I had him as breadcrumbing vig. Although, that might have just been a gambit to draw the night kill.
Wait, are you claiming that you targeted GJ last night? Yes/No. (If no, please don't reveal your target.)
I think I like KillJoy's attempt to trap Bur. It was perhaps too obvious what he was doing for it to work, but I don't think that's something he even thinks to do as scum.
... could someone tell me, what's this trap KJ attempted on me? I tried looking for it, but I still have no idea what you guys are talking about...
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Targeted Mindreaver, Rodemy, and Myself. Mind now has no excuse not to clear himself via his role so I'm waiting on that.
Can you explain why you targeted Rodemy?
I can think of pretty much no universes where a scum team would kill him N1. I guess it's been a few years since I've read a game with him in it, and there might be some personal bias, as his posts have historically made my eyeballs want to leak out of their sockets, but... I'm just having trouble wrapping my mind around that selection.
Kitbits was widely read as town before being replaced. Gruffin and Kit were in my eyes the two most obvious town and I elected not to drink the wine and go for a hero save and just protected the people that were closest to locking town. It wasn't about Rodemy so much as the kit read was so strong.
Also my town read on logic Quixotic feels pretty good after this flurry. Agree that mind needs to answer the bolded question. I find the role likely to be true, I'm just not sure it means anything for Mind's alignment. Need to dig through a few of Proph's old games.
I agree on Shadow likely being town for tying himself to an ability. But it's not outside his scum range, see Overwatch mafia. Still more likely town, just not ironclad.
I need to Iso Bur but I have brunch in a little bit and can't be bothered right now. I do like his start to D2 even though he feels a little floaty.
I feel like scum would save this revelation until 24-48 hours before deadline OR at least until they were forced to L-2. Slight possibility that he's scum with a really good 1-shot ability, but I'm willing to chance that this early in the game. Plus, Mind has been responding a lot better than I expected him to under pressure, with calm and patience (but not appeasement) to his attackers. Maybe he's that good as scum under pressure, but again, I think it's worth the risk.
@Rhand: I asked you about Killjoy because I agreed with KJ that it seemed a stretch to compare Mind's T/S with Zomg's T/S from Overwatch. The latter was horribly waffly on almost every single person, while Mind takes strong stances on many and has reasons for several. By comparison, I feel like Killjoy's T/S list in 354 was more waffly than Mind's. There are several things I don't like about Mind's T/S list, but it feels more sincere and complete than Killjoy's does. I'm leaning on Killjoy being town based on his little cookie-scapade with Shadow (and subsequent explanation he provided), but it strikes me as odd that you are so quick to condemn Mind's T/S while being accepting of Killjoy's. What gives?
@Quixotic: Can you state your experience and gender-preferred pronouns (if any), please?
I don't have more time right now, and that's killing me, because there's lots I want to comment on, including some questions about Mind's T/S. Very glad to have a deadline extension (although I feel bad for Proph). I will try to post more soon. Sorry.
Reading Cantrip's ISO to try and get a handle on him, and saw this.
I'm a He, though I don't really care, we're all names on a screen. I've played a decent amount of mafia, though more in years past than recent.
That end of day could have gone a lot better if people had ever looked at the second post of the thread.
There were multiple deadline extensions, and they weren't used.
I'm guilty of this too, as I just saw it now, but it's useful information in case D2 comes down to the wire without us being quite ready to finish off the day.
Something tells me Cantrip is dangerous scum, reading through his posts carefully. I didn't come out with a strong alignment read on him. I came out with a "his posts are reasonable, and he's competent" read on him, which, unfortunately, isn't indicative of alignment. I liked his earlier game posts more than I did the ones later in D1, but that's ameliorated by the fact that he was dealing with family/RL things.
Can you talk about this? Even is his role is proven, it isn't alignment indicative, so what changed for you to swing you from tunneling him almost all of D1 to thinking you were wrong D2?
You say in 385 that shadow is one of your top townreads, but say in 108 that you were *almost* willing to vote him. What did shadow do to get from that point to one of your top townreads? What was your thought process in deciding this?
Can you detail for me the exact reasons you think Cyan is scum? Like with posts etc.?
When you were asked in 555 by Rodemy who on your wagon is scum, you said only Cyan. When asked effectively the same by Gruff just two posts later, you said Grape could also be scum. Why did you not consider Grape when asked by Rodemy?
You kinda just said town!Rodemy is when Rodemy is town. Expand further.
And it turns out that thing where you 'missed my question', was wrong. Wrong game.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rodemy, you need to clarify immediately if you're counter claiming him, and Mind, if he is counter claiming you, you need to post your target last night right after that.
Rodemy, you need to clarify immediately if you're counter claiming him, and Mind, if he is counter claiming you, you need to post your target last night right after that.
Not counterclaiming persay, but no way his role and mine both exist.
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You say in 385 that shadow is one of your top townreads, but say in 108 that you were *almost* willing to vote him. What did shadow do to get from that point to one of your top townreads? What was your thought process in deciding this?
Can you detail for me the exact reasons you think Cyan is scum? Like with posts etc.?
When you were asked in 555 by Rodemy who on your wagon is scum, you said only Cyan. When asked effectively the same by Gruff just two posts later, you said Grape could also be scum. Why did you not consider Grape when asked by Rodemy?
You kinda just said town!Rodemy is when Rodemy is town. Expand further.
And it turns out that thing where you 'missed my question', was wrong. Wrong game.
Here you go Hunt.
Geez. That's a whole lotta work Killjoy. I'm not currently in the right mind to do this much typing.
Give me a while. Or kill me. Don't currently care either way.
So let's see...
I'm liking Grape's targets. They're exactly who I would have chosen in his position.
@Shadow I'm confused about what you mean by pocketing here. I'm used to calling a townie who strongly townreads a scum player pocketed, though judging by the way you are using the term, I take it you mean something different? What do you mean when you say you want to pocket someone?
So is it safe to say that shadow and grapefruit confirmed each other for now?
I think that it's only confirmed that Grape wasn't able to be targeted like he said and that Shadow is a targeting role of some sort. Their alignments aren't confirmed though.
Unless shadow is trying to pocket me his confirmed mine. I am unable to confirm whether or not he targeted me. But given his change of stance I'd lean towards yes we both have abilities and he's likely to be town.
@Shadow I'm confused about what you mean by pocketing here. I'm used to calling a townie who strongly townreads a scum player pocketed, though judging by the way you are using the term, I take it you mean something different? What do you mean when you say you want to pocket someone?
You're correct that that is probably the most useful pocketing, but it's done as either alignment, I'm looking to play to certain people to garner a strong town read, or a situation where they give what I say a little bit more gravitas, and allowing me to move the gamestate that way. I don't have a strong enough opinion of my play to believe I can be the town leader, nor do I want that role (as either alignment) but if I can play to a specific person (or people), I can make an impact on a smaller scale. Plus it's fun.
Not counterclaiming persay, but no way his role and mine both exist.
If that's the case, I'd like both of you to reveal so we can figure out which is lying.
Rodemy, I want you to be absolutely sure that your roles are a strong dichotomy before doing so, but I agree with Gruffin in that you probably need to full claim.
Unless shadow is trying to pocket me his confirmed mine. I am unable to confirm whether or not he targeted me. But given his change of stance I'd lean towards yes we both have abilities and he's likely to be town.
Just as clarification, I am not clearing you, but knowing you were honest in your claim makes me not want to lynch you right this moment.
Cyan is probably town. The EoD frustration felt very real, and the timing of the frustration was that he'd be frustrated when the lynch swung to someone that flipped town. He also has a wider scope to his reads and focus on the game than he has had as scum to my memory.
even though he asked to be vigged instead of playing like a true townie and earning a nk?
Someone doing or saying something that'd be bad for town is not the same as someone being scum.
Like. He was frustrated, why in the world would scum ask to be vigged when they'd just gotten a mislynch?
To look townie. I’ve seen scum bluff stuff like that plenty of times. “Frustration” over a mislynch is really easy to fake, so I’d class it more as NAI.
That said, I’m having trouble reconciling the link between Cyan and Hunt. I’ve been suspecting them both, yet on a surface level they read as an unaligned pair based on how hard they've clashed D1.
I've been trying to reread this thread but every time I do I suddenly have the urge to so anything else.
My gut is saying the lynch should be between Hunt and Cyan today but I definitely haven't read enough to be as confident as I feel. I'm also inclined to vote mind based on Rodemys partial claim. This doesn't feel like a double investigative game and VT cop feels like a role Proph would give scum. But that is bad mod gaming because I didn't go check further back in prophs catalog like I promised.
So what I will say is my confident I will never lynch today group: Rod, Gruffin, Quixotic, Shadow, and Rhand. Think that's an okay place to start.
@SJT Sure. Not full blown cases, but the cliff notes on each.
Rodemy: Kit read super town and Rod hasn't contradicted that. I don't see 64 or 251 coming from scum Kit in an unfamiliar new meta in a first scum game.
Gruffin: I have a meta read on that I don't want to tip off to them. Check back later. Also pretty sure they're widely town read outside that.
Quixotic: I've explained my strong logic read before. As for Quixotic I've really liked his posting today so far. 865 and 868 are good places to start poking today.
Shadow: He's claiming a power role and confirming mine while temporarily changing his stance from yesterday. First off I don't want to I know shadow loves to pocket people, but that is a very concerted effort to do so as scum when I would have been a relatively easy mislynch target if he just claims he decided to target someone else.
Rhand: So I see a ton of town markers in the majority of his posts. I lost the track on them a bit yesterday because he was focused on me and I began to doubt my intial read. His 92 is a great entrance to the game even with the vote on town at the end of it. And he continued to poke and prod at relevant things like in 375, 532, and 542 (which doesn't feel like a scum response to our back and forth after his read on me).
And in rereading for this I remembered why I was town reading TRSJT and also don't want to lynch him today. I love his triple post starting at 285. It will take a lot for me to stop town reading SJT from there.
I agree that Rodemy should fullclaim.
I don't agree that Mind should claim his target immediately after. If he targeted a claimed PR then sure, but I don't see the point in outing yet another one.
@Quixotic: why is there no mention of Kitbits in your Rodemy read?
I agree that Rodemy should fullclaim.
I don't agree that Mind should claim his target immediately after. If he targeted a claimed PR then sure, but I don't see the point in outing yet another one.
@Quixotic: why is there no mention of Kitbits in your Rodemy read?
why is everyone so anxious for full claims? Why would we ask rodemy for a full claim before mindreaver?
How about we do some old fashioned sleuthing instead of asking everyone to claim? Let's try this...
Cyan you should have been lynched yesterday.
Vote: Cyan
Also Mindreaver's claim is fishy, sounds like a scum role. Could just be a role cop for scum. I feel a bit deceived by him because nothing about his claimed role would confirm him as town like he promised. I know I'm not the first to mention this either.
If cyan starts to act town, I could go for a mindreaver push.
Also, if mindreaver targeted me I give permission to share his result
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So mind's ability isn't confirmable in in the normal sense, but can be confirmed as to whether or not he can actually see VTs or not.
@mind: what steps have you been taking to look for vt in the thread?
@Cyan:
Can you explain the bold? My role is quite clearly stated in PM, Town X.
The role itself is the kind of ambiguously elegant information role I can see Proph putting in a game, but the bolded feels like you're trying to think of what to call it, and like... why not just call it what it is? Or if that is the name of the role, why did you say the bolded? This is maybe just being overly nitpicky, but it feels weird to me at at first glance.
Mindreaver is a VT cop and got a not VT from someone?
I must have missed what GF claimed his ability to do but it looks like he gets 3 targets?
Hunt is still BP supposedly
Did I miss anything?
Shadow claimed targetable role, and targeted Grapefruit last night, and confirmed it failed.
Can you explain why you targeted Rodemy?
I can think of pretty much no universes where a scum team would kill him N1. I guess it's been a few years since I've read a game with him in it, and there might be some personal bias, as his posts have historically made my eyeballs want to leak out of their sockets, but... I'm just having trouble wrapping my mind around that selection.
I guess I should just do these in one post, since I'm just skimming down the playerlist and commenting on names that jump out at me, to figure out where I'm at.
1. Grapefruit21
2. quixotic72 r. LogicoftheVI
3. shadowlancerx
4. Bur
5. Mindreaver
6. killjoy r. Apocado
7. Gruffinchops
8. Cantripmancer
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
10. Cyan
11. fulcrum r. Cythare
12. Huntzilla
13. Rhand
15. Rodemy r. Kitbits
Leaning town on Shadow mostly due to claim and willingness to test Grape. I don't think scum puts themselves out there and locks themselves into a targetable role they'll have to claim/be accountable for later.
Gruffinchops I'm leaning town on but struggling to articulate why I'm leaning town. A kind of natural inquisitiveness and trying to figure out the game maybe? I acknowledge the dangers of just shrugging and saying someone feels town, but they do.
Bur is probably my strongest non-claim scum read. Staying out of the way and not taking stances feels more like scum who is frozen into inaction and decided doing nothing looks better than doing something that'd look scummy.
Rodemy is a read I kind of hope self resolves, because I don't really want to read his posts or interact with him much. It just feels like he's playing up the scatter-shottedness and wacky aspects of his play. Fully acknowledging potential of personal bias, and not going to be voting him anytime soon, I just think he's more likely to be scum than town and am wary of people town reading him, because it feels like his posts are made with the intent of getting town read, rather than being natural.
I have virtually no thoughts or feelings on the Null cluster. Only thing of note for Fulcrum is the very blatant defense of Huntzilla. JoeTerry is kind of a huge blank to me, in that I know he made posts, but I have literally no recollection of them. Cantrip is similar, very low impact. Can anyone town reading Cantrip (I know I've seen several of those) explain the read more fully?
The claims... I'm not sure quite how I want to deal with them. I want Mindreaver to explain the bit I highlighted, but probably am willing to just let it resolve. Scum aren't going to let a fully claimed info role wander about, and if he's scum it'll be obvious as more information/claims come into the thread.
I consider it extremely unlikely both protective claims are town, but it's a possibility. Leaning towards Grape town and Hunt scum currently, but hoping those two further separate themselves behaviorally.
Me: Quixotic
Strong Town: Kill Joy, Cyan, Rhand
Lean Town: Shadowlancer, Gruffinchops
Null-ish: Fulcrum, JoeTerry, Cantripmancer
Lean Scum: Bur, Rodemy
Strong Scum:
Claims that I'm undecided on: Mindreaver, Huntzilla, Grapefruit
Someone doing or saying something that'd be bad for town is not the same as someone being scum.
Like. He was frustrated, why in the world would scum ask to be vigged when they'd just gotten a mislynch?
Talk to me about Huntzilla. Talk to me about why you were so insistent on it being a bad lynch, and steering people off it, because I don't really see it. I've tried to think about various behind the scenes stuff with the role but like... he's almost definitely not lying about the role. He's probably bulletproof! But he could very well be /scum/ bulletproof. My first thought was that you were vig and were going to shoot him, but that'd be an incredible waste of resources to test the claim that isn't alignment indicative.
So.
Details. Give them.
"I thought this guy was a PR, and scum shot him, what a wacky coincidence!"
Almost don't think scum would ever be this blatant.
I've been wrestling with myself for a while about this, but like.
You keep asking everyone who they would pick for a modconfirmed cop check. Is this your role, yes or no? If it is, you are not being subtle at all, and I'd like confirmation so I can look elsewhere. If it's not, I probably want to poke you with a stick until your alignment falls out. Of your corpse. So, what's up? Are you a daycop as you've been insinuating, or are you just using that shtick as a tool to get people to take stances?
(For the record, I'd have submitted the check on Huntzilla on D1 if allowed, and definitely already today)
Wait, are you claiming that you targeted GJ last night? Yes/No. (If no, please don't reveal your target.)
... could someone tell me, what's this trap KJ attempted on me? I tried looking for it, but I still have no idea what you guys are talking about...
I think he's probably town for trying it, but it was so heavy handed that it had no chance of working.
You could say that circumstances forced me to leave my home behind--certainly, if I had stayed, I would now be dead. During those days--running without knowing why, carrying a burden I didn't understand--I assumed that I would lose myself in Khlennium and seek a life of indistinction.
I am slowly coming to understand that anonymity, like so many other things, has already been lost to me forever.
[1] Bur - killjoy
Not Voting: Grapefruit21, quixotic72, shadowlancerx, Bur, Mindreaver, killjoy, Gruffinchops, Cantripmancer, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Cyan, fulcrum, Huntzilla, Rhand, Rodemy, shadowlancerx
Deadline is in eleven days.
Kitbits was widely read as town before being replaced. Gruffin and Kit were in my eyes the two most obvious town and I elected not to drink the wine and go for a hero save and just protected the people that were closest to locking town. It wasn't about Rodemy so much as the kit read was so strong.
Also my town read on
logicQuixotic feels pretty good after this flurry. Agree that mind needs to answer the bolded question. I find the role likely to be true, I'm just not sure it means anything for Mind's alignment. Need to dig through a few of Proph's old games.I agree on Shadow likely being town for tying himself to an ability. But it's not outside his scum range, see Overwatch mafia. Still more likely town, just not ironclad.
I need to Iso Bur but I have brunch in a little bit and can't be bothered right now. I do like his start to D2 even though he feels a little floaty.
Reading Cantrip's ISO to try and get a handle on him, and saw this.
I'm a He, though I don't really care, we're all names on a screen. I've played a decent amount of mafia, though more in years past than recent.
That end of day could have gone a lot better if people had ever looked at the second post of the thread.
There were multiple deadline extensions, and they weren't used.
I'm guilty of this too, as I just saw it now, but it's useful information in case D2 comes down to the wire without us being quite ready to finish off the day.
Can you talk about this? Even is his role is proven, it isn't alignment indicative, so what changed for you to swing you from tunneling him almost all of D1 to thinking you were wrong D2?
Reading now.
Hunt-bulletproof
Bur-????
Shadow-?? (Jailer?)h
Mind claimed VT cop
I claimed 1 shot triple cloaker
Hahahahaha. Oh, yeah no. Mind is scum.
vote mindreaver
Here you go Hunt.
Not counterclaiming persay, but no way his role and mine both exist.
Makes us untargetable to abilities and kills for the night.
Give me a while. Or kill me. Don't currently care either way.
I'm liking Grape's targets. They're exactly who I would have chosen in his position.
@Shadow I'm confused about what you mean by pocketing here. I'm used to calling a townie who strongly townreads a scum player pocketed, though judging by the way you are using the term, I take it you mean something different? What do you mean when you say you want to pocket someone?
I think that it's only confirmed that Grape wasn't able to be targeted like he said and that Shadow is a targeting role of some sort. Their alignments aren't confirmed though.
If that's the case, I'd like both of you to reveal so we can figure out which is lying.
That said, I’m having trouble reconciling the link between Cyan and Hunt. I’ve been suspecting them both, yet on a surface level they read as an unaligned pair based on how hard they've clashed D1.
My gut is saying the lynch should be between Hunt and Cyan today but I definitely haven't read enough to be as confident as I feel. I'm also inclined to vote mind based on Rodemys partial claim. This doesn't feel like a double investigative game and VT cop feels like a role Proph would give scum. But that is bad mod gaming because I didn't go check further back in prophs catalog like I promised.
So what I will say is my confident I will never lynch today group: Rod, Gruffin, Quixotic, Shadow, and Rhand. Think that's an okay place to start.
Rodemy: Kit read super town and Rod hasn't contradicted that. I don't see 64 or 251 coming from scum Kit in an unfamiliar new meta in a first scum game.
Gruffin: I have a meta read on that I don't want to tip off to them. Check back later. Also pretty sure they're widely town read outside that.
Quixotic: I've explained my strong logic read before. As for Quixotic I've really liked his posting today so far. 865 and 868 are good places to start poking today.
Shadow: He's claiming a power role and confirming mine while temporarily changing his stance from yesterday. First off I don't want to I know shadow loves to pocket people, but that is a very concerted effort to do so as scum when I would have been a relatively easy mislynch target if he just claims he decided to target someone else.
Rhand: So I see a ton of town markers in the majority of his posts. I lost the track on them a bit yesterday because he was focused on me and I began to doubt my intial read. His 92 is a great entrance to the game even with the vote on town at the end of it. And he continued to poke and prod at relevant things like in 375, 532, and 542 (which doesn't feel like a scum response to our back and forth after his read on me).
And in rereading for this I remembered why I was town reading TRSJT and also don't want to lynch him today. I love his triple post starting at 285. It will take a lot for me to stop town reading SJT from there.
I don't agree that Mind should claim his target immediately after. If he targeted a claimed PR then sure, but I don't see the point in outing yet another one.
@Quixotic: why is there no mention of Kitbits in your Rodemy read?
How about we do some old fashioned sleuthing instead of asking everyone to claim? Let's try this...
Cyan you should have been lynched yesterday.
Vote: Cyan
Also Mindreaver's claim is fishy, sounds like a scum role. Could just be a role cop for scum. I feel a bit deceived by him because nothing about his claimed role would confirm him as town like he promised. I know I'm not the first to mention this either.
If cyan starts to act town, I could go for a mindreaver push.
Also, if mindreaver targeted me I give permission to share his result