KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
My argument isn't that he's been keeping Killjoy slot alive, only that he hadn't exactly been pushing it along to death.
The big takeaway about mine and killjoy's interactions is that I actually stuck my neck out for the read; I defended the ***** out of them to the point where I attacked Newcomb for not townreading them strong enough; don't see why you see those as me interacting with a partner especially when you and others have agreed with my reasoning when I've brought it up, but we'll visit that at a time when I have a little more time.
L. O. L.
Yes, others have been bigger targets. Pozzai was scummier. DV was scummier. What's your point?
My point is that your play fits perfectly fine to advance a scum win condition; Pozzai and DV just ended up being bigger targets, which was perfectly fine in allowing you to win the game.
@Tom - Yeah, one of the things that really cemented my vote was that KJs play throughout the last few RL days has been to minimize his actual interactions with both Nacho and yourself. It's something that makes a lot of sense as scum here.
I've felt that they both want to talk about me, but not to me of late. Which is weird, because that's what I'm supposed to do in this playstyle.
It's also exceptionally strange when I have been talking to you on this very page!
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Am really glad to see I might have made the tiniest crack in your tom read tonight too! I won't be able to post again probably until about 30 hours from now (sleep and work and then sleep again) but would love to see if Tom can make a more convincing last stand with round 2 and would also like to see Vaimes + Iso solving more if possible.
Good to know that your goal is to get me lynched rather than solve the game.
There's nothing left to solve. We can go through a whole dog and pony show (or whatever the hell the phrase is) but Iso, Regfan, and Vaimes are all town and that just leaves you and Killjoy.
You're right that I'm not particularly worried about solving the game anymore; we've moved beyond that which is obviously something you're aware of by you making interactions analysis surrounding me and by you not really seriously considering all of this - I understand the need to look like you're rereading and reconsidering for the sake of the playstyle but we both know the truth so this half-assed attack on me looks horribly fake.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, since TECHNICALLY there's still 3-2 scum when night happens, yeah it probably will. But since everyone left is vanilla it's probably just a vanity "Scum, who do you wanna end the game shooting" deal.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, since TECHNICALLY there's still 3-2 scum when night happens, yeah it probably will. But since everyone left is vanilla it's probably just a vanity "Scum, who do you wanna end the game shooting" deal.
And I'm very sincerely hoping that's not the case because if it is that means we're looking at Tom/Iso probably and that would be heartbreakingly frustrating.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There it is. The CHRONOVAULT. It sits in FRONT of you, a giant BRASS MONOLITH of TIMEKEEPING. And TIMELOOSING. But never TIMELOSING.
Your MOVEMENTS towards it are ERRATIC. TEMPORAL ANOMALIES cause EVERYTHING to behave STRANGELY down here.
You finally REACH the CHRONOVAULT. You notice a MAN-SHAPED HOLE.
Well just so HAPPENS that you have a MAN. You SHOVE Killjoy into it. He was EXCURSION MISTRESS (EM), Vanilla Town
An EXPLOSION of LIGHT occurs, and you BLACK OUT.
When you AWAKE, TWO NIGHTS have PASSED, and it's already EVENING on the THIRD.
Huh. Apparently, there was NO ONE TO STOP YOU, judging by the CORPSES.
Iso is DEAD. He was THEOCRAT’S DAUGHTER (TD), Town Vig (1-shot)
tomsloger is DEAD. He was ARTHRITIC ANCIENT (AA), Vanilla town
Vaimes is DEAD. He was EXCEPTIONAL PLURALITY OF RAVENS (EPR), Vanilla Town
Regfan pulls off his CLOAK. He was DRAGOONEER #2 OF CLIFFHAVEN (D2C), Mafia Goon
Nachomamma8 pulls of his CLOAK as well. He was FAVORITE SON OF WARHOL (FSW), Mafia Goon
RUBBING your HANDS in DELIGHT, you shove the CORPSES into the MAN-SHAPED HOLE. There's no BURST of LIGHT this TIME. There's only TIME this TIME.
TIME FLOWS all around you. HISTORIES that NEVER WERE, FUTURES that SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. You SEE them ALL.
A KNIGHT on a HORSE BURSTS FORTH from one of these TIMES. You RECOGNIZE him WELL.
Ragnor speaks: "Well done, my servants. I know that my initial loss to that group of dancing hippies was a cause of great sadness among you, but it was necessary. Unlocking the Chronovault has returned to me all of my temporal power.
"Now none can stop me."
A SOUND between that of a BUZZ and a SHRIEK erupts from the AIR, and ANOTHER. Two BEINGS appear - the VICEROY as one and AGENT DAWKINS as the other.
Ragnor speaks: "I see. So even now Yours Truly has some power of trickery about him, to be able to displace a bunny here when my powers sought he himself. No matter".
With a SNAP of his FINGERS, the VICEROY and AGENT DAWKINS quickly AGE. Within SECONDS, they are nothing more than SKELETONS.
Ragnor FLIPS his CAPE as he TURNS his HORSE away from the DESTROYED CHRONOVAULT.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
xequalsy - You are CAPTAIN SERGEI (CS), Vanilla Town. You've SAILED the VICTORY SEAS before but this is the first time you've run a SALVO CAMPAIGN against VILLAINOUS TREACHERY. You'll TURN your CANNONS to whoever you feel like....well, you WOULD, if you weren't so peskily DEMOCRATIC.
Newcomb - You are CARDIGAN REPEATER (CR), Vanilla Town. You can CREATE a number of SWEATER ARTIFACTS at a rate that most would consider MONSTROUS or quite possibly UNHEALTHY. But you'll SHOW them...who's WARM! It's them, because your KNIT WEARABLES are so SNUGGLY.
Vaimes - You are EXCEPTIONAL PLURALITY OF RAVENS (EPR) (Dudley Milk, Sun Emeritus, and Lucid Carl), Vanilla Town. You're actually just ONE RAVEN, but you have THREE HEADS: Dudley Milk, Sun Emeritus, and Lucid Carl. THREE HEADS are better than ONE, at least TWO OF YOU always say. But you still only have ONE VOTE because ONE HEAD insisted.
Typhrous - You are NEWT SCAVENGER (NS), Vanilla Town. What can you SAY? You just aren't fond of LIZARDS. Besides yourself. You're a LIZARD and that's fine. You hang around in SCRAPYARDS looking for anything you can FIND. But now you're on a BOAT. You can't find ANYTHING on a BOAT. Just WATER.
Ophidia - You are EXCURSION MISTRESS (EM), Vanilla Town. You're a LADY of the HIGHEST CALIBER. Not one of those DOMICILE GUARD types who COOKS and CLEANS like she's stuck in the ELDER TIMELINES. You TRAVEL, instead, which is the BEST THING anyone can do for themselves if they want to GROW as a PERSON.
tomsloger - You are ARTHRITIC ANCIENT (AA), Vanilla town. You're the type of OLD SOCIETY REMNANT who probably shouldn't be GOING ANYWHERE. But that's okay, you got one of those fancy new HEADCREAM APPLICATORS and it's done wonders for your ACHES and PAINS. You feel like you could TAKE ON the whole GLOBE.
Iso - You are THEOCRAT’S DAUGHTER (TD), Town Vig (1-shot). BRIMSTONE! HELLFIRE! PAMPHLETS! You will CONVERT the HEATHENS of the world. Well, exactly one HEATHEN anyway. FATHER THEOCRAT only gave you one CONVERSION MACHINE, and those always BREAK after a SINGLE USE. You guess the released BLOOD of the NEWLY CONVERTED is to blame since it gets everywhere. It's a messy JOB.
Ability: VIGOR MORTIS: Once per GAME, during the NIGHT, you may TARGET a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
Grapefruit21 - You are LILY ADAM VIOLET (LAV), Town Tracker. You've always loved DETECTIVE MOVIES. But you absolutely detest DETECTIVE BOOKS. After all, you can't READ anything properly without SUBTITLES. You STARE at the PAGES but nothing HAPPENS. LIFE is just a MOVIE anyway, so might as well see where THE OTHERS go at NIGHT.
Ability: TRACKER BARREL: Once per NIGHT, you may target a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, you will be told the NAME of any PLAYERS that PLAYER targets TONIGHT.
DelphiBlue - Town Doc JUST RICKY (JR) And THAT is all you NEED to be.
Ability: DOCTORNADO: Once per NIGHT you may TARGET a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, ABILITIES that would KILL that PLAYER TONIGHT will fail to RESOLVE.
NachoMamma8 - You are FAVORITE SON OF WARHOL (FSW), Mafia Goon. You are the BEST. But SOME PEOPLE just don't seem to get it. That's fine, they seem to UNDERSTAND the concept of their BODILY ORGAN ACTIVITY CESSATION just fine. Hell, SOME PEOPLE understand it before you even DEMONSTRATE the CONCEPT!
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are RegFan and Pozzai. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
RegFan - You are DRAGOONEER #2 OF CLIFFHAVEN (D2C), Mafia Goon. You miss DRAGOONEER #1 OF CLIFFHAVEN terribly. So you made a PROMISE with the EXTANT TERRORS that lurk in UNMAPPED ZONES. You'll see DRAGOONER #1 OF CLIFFHAVEN again. SOMEHOW. SOMEDAY. And with whatever PILE OF THE DEAD is necessary to SUMMON her BACK.
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are NachoMamma8 and Pozzai. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
Pozzai - You are PLOW MECHANIC (PM), Mafia Roleblocker. Whenever THINGS get in YOUR WAY, it's a PERFECT OPPORTUNITY. After all, you're the KING of OBSTACLES. It's just a matter of moving those OBSTACLES to the right LOCATION to get in SOMEONE ELSE'S WAY, and it's so much EASIER if you already have a HANDY ROADBLOCK to use.
Ability: PAROLE BLOCK: Once per NIGHT, you may target a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, any ABILITIES that PLAYER would activate TONIGHT will fail to resolve. If you are the ONLY MAFIA REMAINING, you may use this ability and the MAFIA NIGHTKILL simultaneously.
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are RegFan and NachoMamma8. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
Also, I'm really sorry for not stepping up when it really mattered. School has been getting to me, and I 100% should have replaced out, but there was a fair amount of Peer Pressure Feelings to stick it out to the end.
Probably my last full game until summer. I'm probably only even gonna be a last resort, avoid-modkilling-a-slot replacement until then.
The flavor this game was excellent; what is it based off of (I looked for a Jurassic Park Adventure via Google but found nothing).
Also thought Regfan played a pretty impressive game here; for someone who freaks out as much as he does getting scum, thought he managed to carry pretty hard.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Thanks for the game Wheat, I found the flavour rather enjoyable to read through and thought you handled the replacements really well given they came in a flurry D1/D2. I think I'm more of a fan of manual vote counting than an automatic one though.
I'm sorry Tom! I felt so bad at times.
We did it Nacho & Pozzai! Hi 5's! Plan buss Pozzai into the ground paid off big time.
Probably the most active I've been in a game as scum before although I think my activity was just 'enhanced' by the fact that most of the townies in the game were hit by real life commitments that stopped them posting as much as they normally would. Nacho revealing that I typically drop off late game activity wise inside the gamethread didn't really allow me to fall back on that though late on in that LYLO I think I became a little more 'forceful' and noticable then, really didn't want this going into a situation where Nacho gets lynched and I have to play through more day phases while explaining not dying at night once again. I'm hoping this game won't hurt me in the long run with people being overly paranoid about me! Having to attempt to hit that sweet spot where I could try and minimise the questions about "Why I'm still alive" and still be universally town read wasn't easy to try and juggle especially since I wanted to try and take control of the thread and lead the direction the play went in. I know that intentionally not shooting the doctor N2 may have been an unusual play for some to observe but I thought it was necessary especially given I knew that DV wasn't an easy mslynch with Newcomb alive and that it would buy me time in the thread without mass-paranoia.
I thought several townies had good games.
Grapes reads may not have been very accurate D1 but I thought his transparecy behind his reads and his effort were both very good and certainly considered him a threat at the time, enough so that I thought he deemed a roleblocking. Would actually love to play with him again, rare to find someone in Australia that plays this game seriously.
NewBcomb was always very close to nailing the exact team and good thing we killed him when we did because his post inside the Obs QT is very accurate and would have almost certainly led towards him at least getting one more scum player lynched, possibly both and winning the game. For this being the game he played "While hampered by real life big time" it's a ridiclous effort.
I though X=Y had the best reason for me being scum inside the whole game, the way I handled his wagon D1 v Pozzai was a big scumtell in that I wasn't actively pushing X=Y until day end when I wanted to make sure it went through yet I wasn't really doing a lot get Pozzai lynched, I just sort of let town mslynch before I bussed D2, he just needed to think it through a little more and he may have realised Pozzai was scum with me.
Vaimes, & Tom also made themselves very transparent (Or at least I thought so) and had lots of good analysis throughout the game, similarly KillJoy & Empoof/Delphine had a few good posts too.
Will probably dump some more thoughts when I get home but curious if anyone thought I played a certain situation incorrectly / have any recommendations on how I can improve my scum game. Also ftr, I wasn't "trolling" post game, I just wanted to be safe in the 0.01% chance that Iso had a shot left.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Nacho: Sorry I couldn't be the adversary you deserved this game! If I had any time at all to actually play this game properly, I promise I would have crushed your team.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I was pretty frustrated by multiple things this game and I actually don't trust myself to talk about them without saying something I might regret later.
So, I'll just say GGWP mafia team; I'll be carrying around that grudge for a while.
The weird thing, the reason I cleared reg was kinda legit. "You're not trying to figure out my alignment" isn't usually a thing buddy's say to each other. There was more to the two of them obviously but I'm pretty sure I'd clear him again if I had to do it over.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think I'm more of a fan of manual vote counting than an automatic one though.
Could you explain why? As the developer of the vote count tool I'd be happy to take feedback to improve it (and I am already aware of the bug that caused DV and Typh to appear on the votecount after the replacement).
It's annoying. We've basically already lost of that's the notion we're going with here
If Wheat manages to close this soonish, then I'll be able to catch up over my four day weekend, which would be pretty sweet.
My point is that your play fits perfectly fine to advance a scum win condition; Pozzai and DV just ended up being bigger targets, which was perfectly fine in allowing you to win the game.
It's also exceptionally strange when I have been talking to you on this very page!
Sad thing is after work I was gonna give explaining another go.
Meh. GG.
Still recommend lynching Nacho over Tom tomorrow.
There's nothing left to solve. We can go through a whole dog and pony show (or whatever the hell the phrase is) but Iso, Regfan, and Vaimes are all town and that just leaves you and Killjoy.
You're right that I'm not particularly worried about solving the game anymore; we've moved beyond that which is obviously something you're aware of by you making interactions analysis surrounding me and by you not really seriously considering all of this - I understand the need to look like you're rereading and reconsidering for the sake of the playstyle but we both know the truth so this half-assed attack on me looks horribly fake.
This doesn't even make sense.
Can't wait for another day of making posts and you not reading them!!!
If you're town then we're ****ed
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Your MOVEMENTS towards it are ERRATIC. TEMPORAL ANOMALIES cause EVERYTHING to behave STRANGELY down here.
You finally REACH the CHRONOVAULT. You notice a MAN-SHAPED HOLE.
Well just so HAPPENS that you have a MAN. You SHOVE Killjoy into it. He was EXCURSION MISTRESS (EM), Vanilla Town
An EXPLOSION of LIGHT occurs, and you BLACK OUT.
When you AWAKE, TWO NIGHTS have PASSED, and it's already EVENING on the THIRD.
Huh. Apparently, there was NO ONE TO STOP YOU, judging by the CORPSES.
Iso is DEAD. He was THEOCRAT’S DAUGHTER (TD), Town Vig (1-shot)
tomsloger is DEAD. He was ARTHRITIC ANCIENT (AA), Vanilla town
Vaimes is DEAD. He was EXCEPTIONAL PLURALITY OF RAVENS (EPR), Vanilla Town
Regfan pulls off his CLOAK. He was DRAGOONEER #2 OF CLIFFHAVEN (D2C), Mafia Goon
Nachomamma8 pulls of his CLOAK as well. He was FAVORITE SON OF WARHOL (FSW), Mafia Goon
RUBBING your HANDS in DELIGHT, you shove the CORPSES into the MAN-SHAPED HOLE. There's no BURST of LIGHT this TIME. There's only TIME this TIME.
TIME FLOWS all around you. HISTORIES that NEVER WERE, FUTURES that SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. You SEE them ALL.
A KNIGHT on a HORSE BURSTS FORTH from one of these TIMES. You RECOGNIZE him WELL.
Ragnor speaks: "Well done, my servants. I know that my initial loss to that group of dancing hippies was a cause of great sadness among you, but it was necessary. Unlocking the Chronovault has returned to me all of my temporal power.
"Now none can stop me."
A SOUND between that of a BUZZ and a SHRIEK erupts from the AIR, and ANOTHER. Two BEINGS appear - the VICEROY as one and AGENT DAWKINS as the other.
Ragnor speaks: "I see. So even now Yours Truly has some power of trickery about him, to be able to displace a bunny here when my powers sought he himself. No matter".
With a SNAP of his FINGERS, the VICEROY and AGENT DAWKINS quickly AGE. Within SECONDS, they are nothing more than SKELETONS.
Ragnor FLIPS his CAPE as he TURNS his HORSE away from the DESTROYED CHRONOVAULT.
GAME OVER
RETURN OF RAGNOR
VICTORS: RegFan, Nachomamma8, Pozzai
Qts plz
Should have listened to my paranoia but I don't think I could have gotten Regfan lynched with his level of WIM through the game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Spectator chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gzvQwin796K
Setup details:
xequalsy - You are CAPTAIN SERGEI (CS), Vanilla Town. You've SAILED the VICTORY SEAS before but this is the first time you've run a SALVO CAMPAIGN against VILLAINOUS TREACHERY. You'll TURN your CANNONS to whoever you feel like....well, you WOULD, if you weren't so peskily DEMOCRATIC.
Newcomb - You are CARDIGAN REPEATER (CR), Vanilla Town. You can CREATE a number of SWEATER ARTIFACTS at a rate that most would consider MONSTROUS or quite possibly UNHEALTHY. But you'll SHOW them...who's WARM! It's them, because your KNIT WEARABLES are so SNUGGLY.
Vaimes - You are EXCEPTIONAL PLURALITY OF RAVENS (EPR) (Dudley Milk, Sun Emeritus, and Lucid Carl), Vanilla Town. You're actually just ONE RAVEN, but you have THREE HEADS: Dudley Milk, Sun Emeritus, and Lucid Carl. THREE HEADS are better than ONE, at least TWO OF YOU always say. But you still only have ONE VOTE because ONE HEAD insisted.
Typhrous - You are NEWT SCAVENGER (NS), Vanilla Town. What can you SAY? You just aren't fond of LIZARDS. Besides yourself. You're a LIZARD and that's fine. You hang around in SCRAPYARDS looking for anything you can FIND. But now you're on a BOAT. You can't find ANYTHING on a BOAT. Just WATER.
Ophidia - You are EXCURSION MISTRESS (EM), Vanilla Town. You're a LADY of the HIGHEST CALIBER. Not one of those DOMICILE GUARD types who COOKS and CLEANS like she's stuck in the ELDER TIMELINES. You TRAVEL, instead, which is the BEST THING anyone can do for themselves if they want to GROW as a PERSON.
tomsloger - You are ARTHRITIC ANCIENT (AA), Vanilla town. You're the type of OLD SOCIETY REMNANT who probably shouldn't be GOING ANYWHERE. But that's okay, you got one of those fancy new HEADCREAM APPLICATORS and it's done wonders for your ACHES and PAINS. You feel like you could TAKE ON the whole GLOBE.
Iso - You are THEOCRAT’S DAUGHTER (TD), Town Vig (1-shot). BRIMSTONE! HELLFIRE! PAMPHLETS! You will CONVERT the HEATHENS of the world. Well, exactly one HEATHEN anyway. FATHER THEOCRAT only gave you one CONVERSION MACHINE, and those always BREAK after a SINGLE USE. You guess the released BLOOD of the NEWLY CONVERTED is to blame since it gets everywhere. It's a messy JOB.
Ability: VIGOR MORTIS: Once per GAME, during the NIGHT, you may TARGET a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
Grapefruit21 - You are LILY ADAM VIOLET (LAV), Town Tracker. You've always loved DETECTIVE MOVIES. But you absolutely detest DETECTIVE BOOKS. After all, you can't READ anything properly without SUBTITLES. You STARE at the PAGES but nothing HAPPENS. LIFE is just a MOVIE anyway, so might as well see where THE OTHERS go at NIGHT.
Ability: TRACKER BARREL: Once per NIGHT, you may target a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, you will be told the NAME of any PLAYERS that PLAYER targets TONIGHT.
DelphiBlue - Town Doc JUST RICKY (JR) And THAT is all you NEED to be.
Ability: DOCTORNADO: Once per NIGHT you may TARGET a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, ABILITIES that would KILL that PLAYER TONIGHT will fail to RESOLVE.
NachoMamma8 - You are FAVORITE SON OF WARHOL (FSW), Mafia Goon. You are the BEST. But SOME PEOPLE just don't seem to get it. That's fine, they seem to UNDERSTAND the concept of their BODILY ORGAN ACTIVITY CESSATION just fine. Hell, SOME PEOPLE understand it before you even DEMONSTRATE the CONCEPT!
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are RegFan and Pozzai. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
RegFan - You are DRAGOONEER #2 OF CLIFFHAVEN (D2C), Mafia Goon. You miss DRAGOONEER #1 OF CLIFFHAVEN terribly. So you made a PROMISE with the EXTANT TERRORS that lurk in UNMAPPED ZONES. You'll see DRAGOONER #1 OF CLIFFHAVEN again. SOMEHOW. SOMEDAY. And with whatever PILE OF THE DEAD is necessary to SUMMON her BACK.
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are NachoMamma8 and Pozzai. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
Pozzai - You are PLOW MECHANIC (PM), Mafia Roleblocker. Whenever THINGS get in YOUR WAY, it's a PERFECT OPPORTUNITY. After all, you're the KING of OBSTACLES. It's just a matter of moving those OBSTACLES to the right LOCATION to get in SOMEONE ELSE'S WAY, and it's so much EASIER if you already have a HANDY ROADBLOCK to use.
Ability: PAROLE BLOCK: Once per NIGHT, you may target a PLAYER besides yourself. If you do, any ABILITIES that PLAYER would activate TONIGHT will fail to resolve. If you are the ONLY MAFIA REMAINING, you may use this ability and the MAFIA NIGHTKILL simultaneously.
Mafia: Your FELLOW MAFIA MEMBERS are RegFan and NachoMamma8. You may SPEAK to them here, but ONLY when INSTRUCTED by the MOD: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8gDkRXgUXFZuL
Mafia ability: DARK OF THE NIGHT: Once per NIGHT, one member of the MAFIA may TARGET a PLAYER. If they do, that PLAYER is KILLED.
gg
we might be different people @voxx
This is truth. It made being dead a lot more enjoyable.
Well that and marvelling at Reg not just playing a great deep wolf, but becoming town leader. Was super impressive.
Still salty I got vigged when I spent almost my entire QT worrying I had made myself the NK.
Probably my last full game until summer. I'm probably only even gonna be a last resort, avoid-modkilling-a-slot replacement until then.
Also thought Regfan played a pretty impressive game here; for someone who freaks out as much as he does getting scum, thought he managed to carry pretty hard.
I'm never trusting him again now though. Lol.
so the setup didnt even matter.
Good game scum, nice flavor wheat grinder!
Apologies to xequalsy for not being a very good mentor
I'm sorry Tom! I felt so bad at times.
We did it Nacho & Pozzai! Hi 5's! Plan buss Pozzai into the ground paid off big time.
Probably the most active I've been in a game as scum before although I think my activity was just 'enhanced' by the fact that most of the townies in the game were hit by real life commitments that stopped them posting as much as they normally would. Nacho revealing that I typically drop off late game activity wise inside the gamethread didn't really allow me to fall back on that though late on in that LYLO I think I became a little more 'forceful' and noticable then, really didn't want this going into a situation where Nacho gets lynched and I have to play through more day phases while explaining not dying at night once again. I'm hoping this game won't hurt me in the long run with people being overly paranoid about me! Having to attempt to hit that sweet spot where I could try and minimise the questions about "Why I'm still alive" and still be universally town read wasn't easy to try and juggle especially since I wanted to try and take control of the thread and lead the direction the play went in. I know that intentionally not shooting the doctor N2 may have been an unusual play for some to observe but I thought it was necessary especially given I knew that DV wasn't an easy mslynch with Newcomb alive and that it would buy me time in the thread without mass-paranoia.
I thought several townies had good games.
Grapes reads may not have been very accurate D1 but I thought his transparecy behind his reads and his effort were both very good and certainly considered him a threat at the time, enough so that I thought he deemed a roleblocking. Would actually love to play with him again, rare to find someone in Australia that plays this game seriously.
NewBcomb was always very close to nailing the exact team and good thing we killed him when we did because his post inside the Obs QT is very accurate and would have almost certainly led towards him at least getting one more scum player lynched, possibly both and winning the game. For this being the game he played "While hampered by real life big time" it's a ridiclous effort.
I though X=Y had the best reason for me being scum inside the whole game, the way I handled his wagon D1 v Pozzai was a big scumtell in that I wasn't actively pushing X=Y until day end when I wanted to make sure it went through yet I wasn't really doing a lot get Pozzai lynched, I just sort of let town mslynch before I bussed D2, he just needed to think it through a little more and he may have realised Pozzai was scum with me.
Vaimes, & Tom also made themselves very transparent (Or at least I thought so) and had lots of good analysis throughout the game, similarly KillJoy & Empoof/Delphine had a few good posts too.
Will probably dump some more thoughts when I get home but curious if anyone thought I played a certain situation incorrectly / have any recommendations on how I can improve my scum game. Also ftr, I wasn't "trolling" post game, I just wanted to be safe in the 0.01% chance that Iso had a shot left.
The original Jurassic Park Adventure can be found in MTGS's Quick Reply Games.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Of course we did!
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@Nacho: Sorry I couldn't be the adversary you deserved this game! If I had any time at all to actually play this game properly, I promise I would have crushed your team.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So, I'll just say GGWP mafia team; I'll be carrying around that grudge for a while.
Could you explain why? As the developer of the vote count tool I'd be happy to take feedback to improve it (and I am already aware of the bug that caused DV and Typh to appear on the votecount after the replacement).