KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Finally home at a computer I''ve quoted the relevant sections of Pozzais posts that I'm referring to RE #2 & #3 in, the progression here is what I find so unlikely to come from an actual PR. The "Leave a legacy " v "Claim PR" v "I wanted to turn the tides without claiming" (Which is not what a legacy is at all) don't mesh at all and espeically don't fit as the reaction towards an actual town PR that's come back from a long absence to see themselves have 4 votes inside the thread. The "Not sure if I should reveal more/info" is not something that fits with the protective role claim at all either and all of this has lots of scum motivation behind it.
Sorry, life's been a mess, I just wanted to let you guys know I haven't forgotten about this game, I'll be around tomorrow to play, leave a legacy or whatever, sorry for not letting Wheat know when it started going downhill... Ttyl !
Oh yeah also, hai I'm the Plow Mechanic, town protective role.
Everyone has been okay with this lynch all day, no one even made an attempt to react to why Regfan's case is absolutely garbage and appearently people are not willing to theorise world's including town!Pozzai which is absolutely disgusting.
Seriously, if I had had the time yesterday I would've gone through it the same way as I did today. I expected a game with this large an issue with people having rl issues would grant me a day to return, try to see if I could turn the tides slightly in my favour potentially saving my claim for another day/a day I had more/any info.
I won't claim all unless the majority of the game wants me to, there should be fairly obvious reasons for this.
This is textbook scum looking for a town protective CC. Like not even level 2 mind game attempts, just surface level fake claim.
I'm with tom and regfan, wouldn't recommend anyone CC tbh. Doesn't benefit us, even if they're in the PoE.
If he's actually tp he's literally done the worst claim I've seen bar none (one time I saw someone claim a role that didn't exist in an automated set up) and should feel bad for his -EV play.
I'm not comfortable with lynching him without a CC.
At this point, if we lynch him and he flips town, we're dropped in MyLo with no scum lynched and looking like absolute idiots and the game is pretty much ****ed. If there isn't a CC and we have Pozzai confirmed town, we have plenty of time left in the day to take a step back and find a better lynch.
If he's scum, then yes, it sucks that we have a PR that needs to out and won't get a protect off tonight, but this isn't exactly something that seems worth the risk considering we'd probably have the protective claim tomorrow anyways.
I'm not comfortable with lynching him without a CC.
At this point, if we lynch him and he flips town, we're dropped in MyLo with no scum lynched and looking like absolute idiots and the game is pretty much ****ed. If there isn't a CC and we have Pozzai confirmed town, we have plenty of time left in the day to take a step back and find a better lynch.
If he's scum, then yes, it sucks that we have a PR that needs to out and won't get a protect off tonight, but this isn't exactly something that seems worth the risk considering we'd probably have the protective claim tomorrow anyways.
I say he should use best judgment. Like a Doc should NOT cc, but maybe a Jailor should.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Blegh, I am the town bodyguard, it's extremely frustrating that noone actually sat down and considered what I said about there being good reasons for not claiming exactly what role I am.
A scumrole is between role cop, roleblocker and bulletsponge, and if it happens to be roleblocker and Iso has another shot/we have a vigi outside Iso, scum not knowing my exact role would've forced them to roleblock me, opening up for a potential vigi shot. A medic save or a vigi shot would both have given us one extra lynch/kill, so either allowing the potential medic to get a save, or the vigi to get an extra shot would've put us in a much better situation.
If the scumrole is either of the other two this obviously wont matter.
So obviously I can't reveal any information about last night outside the fact that scum killed Grapefruit, I myself targeted Delphine as she was waaay under the radar compared to the hype she had about the playerlist. She did a few things that had her town to me, amongst others her talk about her first game so thought there was a decent chance she'd be PR.
Delphine is a nice gal, and she has an issue with guilt when playing as mafia. Her non-chalantly going about how she read her first game and laughing about how much of a kid she was, is something I consider very hard to do for her as scum because she'd feel likee she's not taking the game too seriously and as such have a negative performance for her team.
@Nacho, is your hesitation here solely 'cautiousness' or do you actually think there's even a small chance that his claim here could be legitimate; if it's the latter you're going to have to run through what about #2 & #3 in #1136 and #1141 you disagree with.
Blegh, I am the town bodyguard, it's extremely frustrating that noone actually sat down and considered what I said about there being good reasons for not claiming exactly what role I am.
A scumrole is between role cop, roleblocker and bulletsponge, and if it happens to be roleblocker and Iso has another shot/we have a vigi outside Iso, scum not knowing my exact role would've forced them to roleblock me, opening up for a potential vigi shot. A medic save or a vigi shot would both have given us one extra lynch/kill, so either allowing the potential medic to get a save, or the vigi to get an extra shot would've put us in a much better situation.
If the scumrole is either of the other two this obviously wont matter.
So obviously I can't reveal any information about last night outside the fact that scum killed Grapefruit, I myself targeted Delphine as she was waaay under the radar compared to the hype she had about the playerlist. She did a few things that had her town to me, amongst others her talk about her first game so thought there was a decent chance she'd be PR.
Delphine is a nice gal, and she has an issue with guilt when playing as mafia. Her non-chalantly going about how she read her first game and laughing about how much of a kid she was, is something I consider very hard to do for her as scum because she'd feel likee she's not taking the game too seriously and as such have a negative performance for her team.
I'm not comfortable with lynching him without a CC.
At this point, if we lynch him and he flips town, we're dropped in MyLo with no scum lynched and looking like absolute idiots and the game is pretty much ****ed. If there isn't a CC and we have Pozzai confirmed town, we have plenty of time left in the day to take a step back and find a better lynch.
If he's scum, then yes, it sucks that we have a PR that needs to out and won't get a protect off tonight, but this isn't exactly something that seems worth the risk considering we'd probably have the protective claim tomorrow anyways.
Personally see a number of people soft claiming that are >rand to be townies. The claim is bad and we shouldn't validate it by negotiating with terrorists
@Nacho, is your hesitation here solely 'cautiousness' or do you actually think there's even a small chance that his claim here could be legitimate; if it's the latter you're going to have to run through what about #2 & #3 in #1136 and #1141 you disagree with.
I don't agree with the theory behind either, just the confidence level behind it; don't see why we would risk going into LyLo here unless we are 100% sure, which I'm sure as hell not.
I'm not comfortable with lynching him without a CC.
At this point, if we lynch him and he flips town, we're dropped in MyLo with no scum lynched and looking like absolute idiots and the game is pretty much ****ed. If there isn't a CC and we have Pozzai confirmed town, we have plenty of time left in the day to take a step back and find a better lynch.
If he's scum, then yes, it sucks that we have a PR that needs to out and won't get a protect off tonight, but this isn't exactly something that seems worth the risk considering we'd probably have the protective claim tomorrow anyways.
Personally see a number of people soft claiming that are >rand to be townies. The claim is bad and we shouldn't validate it by negotiating with terrorists
I do see a number of people softclaiming who are more likely than not, which is a decent portion of my concern. It means they might be mistaking strong confidence for a claim or covering for someone who they think is soft CC'ing, which is exactly the type of thing I can see leading into a dumb ***** tomorrow because I've most certain been there before.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Pretty much what Iso stated, there'll be a vig & a bg in the same setup almost never, especially in a basic like this which means that there's almost certainly one scum inside Iso/Pozzai, the fact that Pozzai never really put much thought or stock into this himself throughout the day doesn't make sense from an actual BG, similarly his "provide information" comment is something the BG role can never do. He's just scum here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Oh. I never really thought about the feelbads of vigilante and bodyguard in the same setup. Then again, I don't really think we have either. So.
Pozzai is at L-1. I'm comfortable with a hammer. Also comfortable with waiting a day or two for Iso and DV to catch up and be allowed to post, respectively.
If Pozzai were Bodyguard his first move toDay should have been to vote for me.
Ok I'll bite. Why?
What are the odds that the mafia no-killed on Night 1? Pretty slim, I'd say. I claimed the Grapefruit kill. That means that another role stopped the Mafia NK from occurring...and that couldn't have been a Bodyguard, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What are the odds that the mafia no-killed on Night 1? Pretty slim, I'd say. I claimed the Grapefruit kill. That means that another role stopped the Mafia NK from occurring...and that couldn't have been a Bodyguard, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
Iso. If you are actually vig, you crosskilling with scum is significantly more likely than a protective role being successful. Scum kill universal townreads. Stop being obtuse.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Most of my reads haven't changed much from the above post. Biggest things that point towards DV being scum here while phone posting are 1) While not disliking Typhon's points on XY his focus being there has a lot of scum motivation inside this player list especially so if Pozzais scum here which I'm feeling pretty good about, 2) DVs read and interactions with Vaimes throughout this day phase do not look like a genuine scum read at all and make very little sense given if he wanted to actually get a read there he could read/comment kn everything that happened D1, 3) His scum reads on ISO and Nacho both look very shallow and lack any real though process behind them, 4) His comment on Pozzai today was something I remember thinking made a lot of sense coming from a partner in that he was agreeing with the scum read via PoE? Which made very little sense other than not wanting to defend him or aid his Lynch. There's a few other small things like Pozzai coming out with a fresh DV scum read today makes sense as distancing knowing he was likely getting lynched today too.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Why are we wasting time on PoE without a scumflip?
I'm gonna wait till 3ish to hammer so everyone can get their thoughts in.
PoE maybe wasn't the right word to use there.
Both of D_V's pushes toDay felt bizarre and bland. ex: Tom and I prodding them about their "Nacho saying nothing" read and the reply is one line responses both times without further analysis. To me it felt like shooting at a dart board and seeing if it would stick. There was no energy or drive with the read and it didn't feel like they were looking to solve Nacho's alignment from it or even have a confrontation at all about it. It was just there.
General feelings right now:
town:
Regfan
Tom
lean town:
vaimes
killjoy/newcomb/nacho
scum:
iso
D_V
pozzai
but not all three of those are together. Feeling a lot more comfortable with tom the more I've interacted with him. I'm wrong on one of those leans and Vaimes had a pretty strange progression with the Pozzai claim while also being inactive. Vaimes also doesn't work well with D_V imo but I haven't thoroughly explored it. I also remember Delph (who I subbed for) liking Vaimes a lot so I'm kind of left feeling unsure. Of the 4 they feel most likely villager but I'm paying closer attention to them now.
ghana watch a movie and pass out. Summarizes most of my thoughts I think
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't see anything that says we can't talk during twilight here so apologises if I'm breaching some sort of rule but wanted to get a few last thoughts out before I head to bed here; I've liked Empoofs posting throughout the last two pages, comments like "Thanks for spewing me" are the type of lines I rarely see scum actually posting and I like that he's been mostly at the same head-space with me about Pozzais claim.
I've also kind of liked Killjoys posting but it's based on super weak reasoning of pretty much "I like the angles of questioning he's asking" re; DV and the way he's handling the hammer but eh, like I said it's weak so wouldn't recommend ruling him out based on it because I still think his reads were super shallow.
And if this is somehow a miss then Isos almost certainly scum, I checked the links too and there's not been a BG+Vig in the same setup and highly doubt there would be one in a basic but I'm p sure this is a hit.
The PARTY has arrived at LOVER'S DIVE, just as the SUN begins to SET. The SKY is BLOOD RED. The ORIGINAL BETRAYAL took place here...it's a THOUGHT that WEIGHS HEAVY on all of your MINDS as you approach TWO SMALL GRAVESTONES.
SIX MEMBERS of the PARTY produce a SEVENTH. Pozzai is LAID on the GROUND, TIED UP. A KNIFE is FLOURISHED. It then FINDS its PERMANENT SHEATH.
Pozzai has been lynched. He was PLOW MECHANIC (PM), Mafia Roleblocker
A SHADOW falls across the LAND. A VOICE rings out - THAT VOICE.
"How dare you? How DARE you? He was one of my chosen. I shall see to it that you pay for t-"
The CURSE of the DAY has been BROKEN, so you STOP LISTENING to the VOICE.
It is now NIGHT 2. If you have NIGHT ACTIONS, they are due within 72 HOURS.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway, I'm perfectly willing to lynch tom, Killjoy, and I think one other person because I also forgot who else is in this game. I just remember those two probably being scum after yesterDay.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm with tom and regfan, wouldn't recommend anyone CC tbh. Doesn't benefit us, even if they're in the PoE.
If he's actually tp he's literally done the worst claim I've seen bar none (one time I saw someone claim a role that didn't exist in an automated set up) and should feel bad for his -EV play.
If scum snipe this and he's tp I won't even be mad.
They won't though
Eh.
Intent to hammer this evening-ish, if no one else super needs Day to keep going.
Feel free to hammer whenever, all the stuff I want to do is reading based and having the confirmed flip would help that
I'm not comfortable with lynching him without a CC.
At this point, if we lynch him and he flips town, we're dropped in MyLo with no scum lynched and looking like absolute idiots and the game is pretty much ****ed. If there isn't a CC and we have Pozzai confirmed town, we have plenty of time left in the day to take a step back and find a better lynch.
If he's scum, then yes, it sucks that we have a PR that needs to out and won't get a protect off tonight, but this isn't exactly something that seems worth the risk considering we'd probably have the protective claim tomorrow anyways.
A scumrole is between role cop, roleblocker and bulletsponge, and if it happens to be roleblocker and Iso has another shot/we have a vigi outside Iso, scum not knowing my exact role would've forced them to roleblock me, opening up for a potential vigi shot. A medic save or a vigi shot would both have given us one extra lynch/kill, so either allowing the potential medic to get a save, or the vigi to get an extra shot would've put us in a much better situation.
If the scumrole is either of the other two this obviously wont matter.
So obviously I can't reveal any information about last night outside the fact that scum killed Grapefruit, I myself targeted Delphine as she was waaay under the radar compared to the hype she had about the playerlist. She did a few things that had her town to me, amongst others her talk about her first game so thought there was a decent chance she'd be PR.
Delphine is a nice gal, and she has an issue with guilt when playing as mafia. Her non-chalantly going about how she read her first game and laughing about how much of a kid she was, is something I consider very hard to do for her as scum because she'd feel likee she's not taking the game too seriously and as such have a negative performance for her team.
Appreciate the spew
Won't be necessary though
I don't agree with the theory behind either, just the confidence level behind it; don't see why we would risk going into LyLo here unless we are 100% sure, which I'm sure as hell not.
I do see a number of people softclaiming who are more likely than not, which is a decent portion of my concern. It means they might be mistaking strong confidence for a claim or covering for someone who they think is soft CC'ing, which is exactly the type of thing I can see leading into a dumb ***** tomorrow because I've most certain been there before.
Obv scumclaim is obv
Sorry I was wrong Day 1, guys!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ok I'll bite. Why?
Can someone at a compture look at this for me, I don't remember a situation of vig+BG ever occuring.
From the games you listed here, there was never a BG + town KP role ever.
Pozzai is at L-1. I'm comfortable with a hammer. Also comfortable with waiting a day or two for Iso and DV to catch up and be allowed to post, respectively.
What are the odds that the mafia no-killed on Night 1? Pretty slim, I'd say. I claimed the Grapefruit kill. That means that another role stopped the Mafia NK from occurring...and that couldn't have been a Bodyguard, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
Yeah, I started capitalizing Day and Night to differentiate from doing something "today" or "tonight" years back and it caught on.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Now I have to reevaluate ISO. Damn it.
We ready to end the day?
Iso. If you are actually vig, you crosskilling with scum is significantly more likely than a protective role being successful. Scum kill universal townreads. Stop being obtuse.
See you all toMorrow.
Really think DV is the best place to look tomorrow.
PoE
Also D_V was rather soulless before the absence
Most of my reads haven't changed much from the above post. Biggest things that point towards DV being scum here while phone posting are 1) While not disliking Typhon's points on XY his focus being there has a lot of scum motivation inside this player list especially so if Pozzais scum here which I'm feeling pretty good about, 2) DVs read and interactions with Vaimes throughout this day phase do not look like a genuine scum read at all and make very little sense given if he wanted to actually get a read there he could read/comment kn everything that happened D1, 3) His scum reads on ISO and Nacho both look very shallow and lack any real though process behind them, 4) His comment on Pozzai today was something I remember thinking made a lot of sense coming from a partner in that he was agreeing with the scum read via PoE? Which made very little sense other than not wanting to defend him or aid his Lynch. There's a few other small things like Pozzai coming out with a fresh DV scum read today makes sense as distancing knowing he was likely getting lynched today too.
I'm gonna wait till 3ish to hammer so everyone can get their thoughts in.
PoE maybe wasn't the right word to use there.
Both of D_V's pushes toDay felt bizarre and bland. ex: Tom and I prodding them about their "Nacho saying nothing" read and the reply is one line responses both times without further analysis. To me it felt like shooting at a dart board and seeing if it would stick. There was no energy or drive with the read and it didn't feel like they were looking to solve Nacho's alignment from it or even have a confrontation at all about it. It was just there.
General feelings right now:
town:
Regfan
Tom
lean town:
vaimes
killjoy/newcomb/nacho
scum:
iso
D_V
pozzai
but not all three of those are together. Feeling a lot more comfortable with tom the more I've interacted with him. I'm wrong on one of those leans and Vaimes had a pretty strange progression with the Pozzai claim while also being inactive. Vaimes also doesn't work well with D_V imo but I haven't thoroughly explored it. I also remember Delph (who I subbed for) liking Vaimes a lot so I'm kind of left feeling unsure. Of the 4 they feel most likely villager but I'm paying closer attention to them now.
ghana watch a movie and pass out. Summarizes most of my thoughts I think
Pozzai is dead here.
it's a good look but not clearing.
Well let's do this then.
Vote: Pozzai
I've also kind of liked Killjoys posting but it's based on super weak reasoning of pretty much "I like the angles of questioning he's asking" re; DV and the way he's handling the hammer but eh, like I said it's weak so wouldn't recommend ruling him out based on it because I still think his reads were super shallow.
And if this is somehow a miss then Isos almost certainly scum, I checked the links too and there's not been a BG+Vig in the same setup and highly doubt there would be one in a basic but I'm p sure this is a hit.
Pozzai - 6 (tomsloger, Regfan, Newcomb, Empoof, Iso, Killjoy)
Vaimes - 1 (D_V)
Not Voting - 2 (Pozzai, Nachomamma8)
The PARTY has arrived at LOVER'S DIVE, just as the SUN begins to SET. The SKY is BLOOD RED. The ORIGINAL BETRAYAL took place here...it's a THOUGHT that WEIGHS HEAVY on all of your MINDS as you approach TWO SMALL GRAVESTONES.
SIX MEMBERS of the PARTY produce a SEVENTH. Pozzai is LAID on the GROUND, TIED UP. A KNIFE is FLOURISHED. It then FINDS its PERMANENT SHEATH.
Pozzai has been lynched. He was PLOW MECHANIC (PM), Mafia Roleblocker
A SHADOW falls across the LAND. A VOICE rings out - THAT VOICE.
"How dare you? How DARE you? He was one of my chosen. I shall see to it that you pay for t-"
The CURSE of the DAY has been BROKEN, so you STOP LISTENING to the VOICE.
It is now NIGHT 2. If you have NIGHT ACTIONS, they are due within 72 HOURS.
Well, you also KNOW that Newcomb is DEAD. He was CARDIGAN REPEATER (CR), Vanilla Town
DAY 3 has BEGUN
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Who did Killjoy and D_V replace, again?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote D_V