I mean, I get that, and you're not wrong.
At a basic level, it's just like... this is hella boring. Even if Pozzai is mafia. Wanting a counterwagon just so people are forced to take stances isn't, like, high level play or anything, but I personally just need the shot of... newness, or something.
Like, I'm toying with the idea of trying to start a legit counterwagon on Killjoy for basically "stir the goddamn soup" reasons.
Frustraing/boring? Sure. But I don't think starting random counterwagons for the sake of it will be useful at all.
Just waiting on the replacements / others to pop in with their thoughts & analysis so I can solidify reads there and then I'd be happy to just lynch Pozzai and move on; very confident he's just scum here. I'm pretty much at a spot where if Pozzais scum I think the way people handled him D1 and throughout the early stages of D2 mostly solves this especially with how hard it's been to actually get votes on him and if he's town I'll probably go cry in the shower.
Alright finally got through Nachos Post #957 about Pozzai; Really liked his elaboration about the Tom section since I don't think I did that particular scum-tell justice in mine. His point about the disconnect of expecting me to "know" his forum mafia playstyle v not wanting to sort me due to knowing me well enough is a very good one and one that I didn't catch when going through him myself. It's actually a very very solid point as is his point about Pozzai hunting for partners for X=Y while not strongly believing X=Y was mafia.
Really like the post overall in that there's a few things in there I agree with about Pozzai that I didn't pick up myself.
Nachos response towards Tom inside Post #958 matching mine is a good thing and his elaboration on why he thinks the Pozzai/DV/Newcomb world can exist makes sense.
Eh, don't like Newcombs Post #966 at all, the "If Nachos town, Toms scum" thing comes across as nonsensical; if Nachos scum then Toms taking the stance as town which means it's a plausible stance for town to have in general this means that if Nachos also town Tom could still have the same stance there. It's never a thing where 'it has to be one of them'.
Newcomb, if you're still around would like you to run me through the above section a little more.
Nachos response towards Tom inside Post #958 matching mine is a good thing and his elaboration on why he thinks the Pozzai/DV/Newcomb world can exist makes sense.
Eh, don't like Newcombs Post #966 at all, the "If Nachos town, Toms scum" thing comes across as nonsensical; if Nachos scum then Toms taking the stance as town which means it's a plausible stance for town to have in general this means that if Nachos also town Tom could still have the same stance there. It's never a thing where 'it has to be one of them'.
Newcomb, if you're still around would like you to run me through the above section a little more.
In town!Nacho worlds, tom feels like he's kind of subtly egging us on. That's it.
Why are Nacho/tom hard unaligned? Like, in scum!Nacho worlds why is tom's stance on the two of us always town?
I think Nachos attitude of "Voxx would be voting me here" inside Post #971 -> "Voxx has been responsible for me being mslynched before" in Post #975 is the sort of thought process and comment I see come from town significantly more often than scum; scum generally don't compare the game with past town games of being msylynched/aren't brazen enough to state a townie would be voting them here.
I very much like Newcombs Post #972 in that the mixture of confidence in a scum read / wanting to know if he's too confbias in it comes across as genuine.
Honestly gun to my head I think you're both town? I know this is probably the post that will get quoted postgame where you'll laugh at me if I'm wrong but I actually find the majority of your interactions both ways to come across as town here and think scum are lurking it out during it.
If Reg's mafia he's pretty much got to be with Nacho. He'd have zero reason to gradually come around to us being v/v if we actually are and he's not. I know he's not with me, and if he's mafia and also not with Nacho, it's like. It is just too -EV to try to stop that fight, especially when it would be so goddamn easy to fire it up.
Still think Reg's >rand town here but in worlds where he's not Nacho's so, so likely to be with him.
In town!Nacho worlds, tom feels like he's kind of subtly egging us on. That's it. Why are Nacho/tom hard unaligned? Like, in scum!Nacho worlds why is tom's stance on the two of us always town?
You're missing the point I'm trying to get at entirely. You're stating you think the most likely world is Nacho!Scum & Tom!Town but then stating that if Nachos somehow town that Toms pretty much certain mafia (In that you stated "I reeeeeeally don't think there's any way they're v/v here.") this is the stance of yours that I find illogical. If Toms town in the world where Nachos scum that means you think Toms stance is a stance that can plausible come from town, that means it's also plausible the Tom can be taking the same stance in a world where Nachos also town. I can understand stating that you think if Nachos town it increases the likelihood that Toms mafia but the 'There has to be 1 scum inside them' type conclusion is one I really cannot get.
In town!Nacho worlds, tom feels like he's kind of subtly egging us on. That's it. Why are Nacho/tom hard unaligned? Like, in scum!Nacho worlds why is tom's stance on the two of us always town?
You're missing the point I'm trying to get at entirely. You're stating you think the most likely world is Nacho!Scum & Tom!Town but then stating that if Nachos somehow town that Toms pretty much certain mafia (In that you stated "I reeeeeeally don't think there's any way they're v/v here.") this is the stance of yours that I find illogical. If Toms town in the world where Nachos scum that means you think Toms stance is a stance that can plausible come from town, that means it's also plausible the Tom can be taking the same stance in a world where Nachos also town. I can understand stating that you think if Nachos town it increases the likelihood that Toms mafia but the 'There has to be 1 scum inside them' type conclusion is one I really cannot get.
I'm looking at a narrative. I'm running the hypothetical "town!Nacho" world through my head, and I'm looking for an archtype. That archtype is invested, probably subtly, in keeping the fight between me and Nacho going. tom's stance fits that narrative. It's plausible that it comes from town regardless of Nacho's alignment, but IMO it becomes a pretty significant smoke signal in town!Nacho worlds. Like, yes, your point is well taken, I wouldn't snap tom off if Nacho flips town. I feel like you're not getting where I'm coming from, though.
I don't agree with Tom in Post #955 in that if Pozzais scum there has to be one within Newcomb/Nacho.
I did talk about the possibility of them both being town as well, but I found the timing of Newcomb's push suspect. I think my initial "he's trying to save Pozzai" reaction was premature though. It makes more sense in light of #982.
There's certainly a chance of one of them being scum, especially from a team building perspective. But yeah. We're not there yet, and I can't see lynching either with Pozzai and DV still alive barring something major.
I think we're talking past each other here? I understand that you're trying to use the argument of if you're both TvT scum have to be somewhere and I even understand the argument you're making that Tom letting the fight occur makes sense as mafia in that world. I just dislike the confidence in you pushing the world where Tom pretty much has to be scum rather than the very logical alternative that scum just flat out lurking through the fight and letting it happen that way.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think we're talking past each other here? I understand that you're trying to use the argument of if you're both TvT scum have to be somewhere and I even understand the argument you're making that Tom letting the fight occur makes sense as mafia in that world. I just dislike the confidence in you pushing the world where Tom pretty much has to be scum rather than the very logical alternative that scum just flat out lurking through the fight and letting it happen that way.
Because assuming the entire scumteam is in the lurkers / not pushing anything is a pretty good way to lose games?
Like. How are we going to sort replacements / V/LA / slanking wolves in this gamestate?
And frankly from a gameflow perspective this game just feels flat-out too hard for it to be that easy.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's just, like, Pozzai/Killjoy/DV and we chain lynch mafia and skip off into the sunset. But in that case what exactly am I wasting other than my own time tilting at windmills here?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm looking at a narrative. I'm running the hypothetical "town!Nacho" world through my head, and I'm looking for an archtype. That archtype is invested, probably subtly, in keeping the fight between me and Nacho going. tom's stance fits that narrative. It's plausible that it comes from town regardless of Nacho's alignment, but IMO it becomes a pretty significant smoke signal in town!Nacho worlds. Like, yes, your point is well taken, I wouldn't snap tom off if Nacho flips town. I feel like you're not getting where I'm coming from, though.
That kind of makes sense actually. I mean, that's exactly the sort of thing I get suspected for when I'm playing as myself. Indulging my natural tendency to reaction bait joins my Iso tunnel as things I wouldn't have done if I was more fully immersed in this playstyle.
@Newcomb - Here's my issue, I'll try and run it through as smoothly as I can; There's currently 4 active posters inside a game of 10. If you're town here and running with the hypothetical world of Nacho also being town, that leaves 2 players that are active that are question marks to you and 6 that are not active, it's very plausible for the scum to just be inside 6 there. We're not talking about 1-2 lurkers here, it's 6; that's where my issue with the confidence of your Toms scum in the Nacho!Town world comes from.
I'm looking at a narrative. I'm running the hypothetical "town!Nacho" world through my head, and I'm looking for an archtype. That archtype is invested, probably subtly, in keeping the fight between me and Nacho going. tom's stance fits that narrative. It's plausible that it comes from town regardless of Nacho's alignment, but IMO it becomes a pretty significant smoke signal in town!Nacho worlds. Like, yes, your point is well taken, I wouldn't snap tom off if Nacho flips town. I feel like you're not getting where I'm coming from, though.
That kind of makes sense actually. I mean, that's exactly the sort of thing I get suspected for when I'm playing as myself. Indulging my natural tendency to reaction bait joins my Iso tunnel as things I wouldn't have done if I was more fully immersed in this playstyle.
@Newcomb - Here's my issue, I'll try and run it through as smoothly as I can; There's currently 4 active posters inside a game of 10. If you're town here and running with the hypothetical world of Nacho also being town, that leaves 2 players that are active that are question marks to you and 6 that are not active, it's very plausible for the scum to just be inside 6 there. We're not talking about 1-2 lurkers here, it's 6; that's where my issue with the confidence of your Toms scum in the Nacho!Town world comes from.
My confidence in scum!tom in town!Nacho worlds is like, 60%. Does that help?
@Newcomb - Here's my issue, I'll try and run it through as smoothly as I can; There's currently 4 active posters inside a game of 10. If you're town here and running with the hypothetical world of Nacho also being town, that leaves 2 players that are active that are question marks to you and 6 that are not active, it's very plausible for the scum to just be inside 6 there. We're not talking about 1-2 lurkers here, it's 6; that's where my issue with the confidence of your Toms scum in the Nacho!Town world comes from.
My confidence in scum!tom in town!Nacho worlds is like, 60%. Does that help?
Think of "I reeeeeally doubt they're v/v" as "I already think Nacho's heavily mafia, and if I'm wrong on that, the odds of tom being mafia go way up, and I just really doubt I'm /that/ wrong."
My confidence in scum!tom in town!Nacho worlds is like, 60%. Does that help?
Plenty. I disagree with the stat (In that Toms one of my strongest if not my strongest town read here) but I can understand that stance from you a lot more -- it was just the "Never v/v" thing that was I took issue with inside your posting.
Alright I'm going to sort out dinner / get prepped for the week ahead but should be able to post my summarised thoughts on everyone later tonight if not then tomorrow morning before I leave. Really do need Vaimes/Empoof/DV/Iso/Killjoy etc. to get in here and post reads.
My confidence in scum!tom in town!Nacho worlds is like, 60%. Does that help?
Plenty. I disagree with the stat (In that Toms one of my strongest if not my strongest town read here) but I can understand that stance from you a lot more -- it was just the "Never v/v" thing that was I took issue with inside your posting.
Look, if there's one thing you can count on, it's that at some point in every single game I'm in with tom, I'll call him mafia, just so I can feel better about myself postgame if he is and beats me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also Nacho, realtalk; Were you Phantom of the Opera in Secrelt Alt Mafia #2?
Yes, obviously so, but misreading me there was sort of understandable/expected considering the "mimicking 6 players badly and being an obnoxious ass the entire game" thing.
I'm pretty confident that both Tom and Vaimes are town, my strongest two town reads by a large margin and have gone into the reasoning behind these several times already; have very little to no concerns about both of them throughout the entirety of the game (I'd like Vaimes to be a bit more active and get around to commenting on Pozzai more but pretty sure he's genuinely V/LA and unable to get around to this game at the moment so it's not an alignment indicative thing), their reads and thought process for the most part have been very easy to understand and follow and I've actually agreed with a lot of their stances especially in Toms most recent post. Would bet the game on both of them being town here.
I've gone into my thoughts on Iso mostly already but I think the vig claim is likely to make him town via a) The fact that majority of basics seem to involve a vig and b) In that I think Iso!Scum knows that a) is true and therefore wouldn't take the risk fake claiming vig knowing that there's a high likelihood he just gets openly counterclaimed or shot at night. I'd like him to elaborate on his thought process behind the Grapes shot as well as catch up on the game and try and explain his D1 Pozzai read but I'm fairly sure we'll solve him when a mass-claim happens eventually.
Most of my thoughts on Newcomb & Nacho can be found in my posts throughout the last 2 pages, I'm probably going to go over their interaction again in the next day or two just to make sure I'm not missing anything there but at the moment I'm leaning towards both of them being town.
I think Newcombs push and reasoning on Nacho specifically about his X=Y read comes across as him genuinely scumhunting and really like the mixture of confidence/cautiousness in his push, I've similarly liked the majority of his interactions with me afterwards. I've gone through his ISO a few times in the last week and still haven't really found anything that's hugely concerning, his thought process throughout D1 and reads mirrored mine in most areas and can see a genuine effort at gamesolving from him. I do want to solidify this read a little more than what I currently have, last thing I want is my first town loss in 3ish years to be against NewBcomb of all players but yeah right now I think he's pretty likely town here.
I similarly think the way that Nachos approached Newcomb today re; the intentional poking to try and get Newcomb to "fire up" is something he's unlikely to do as scum and can follow the thought process & motivation behind it as town. I really like his explanation behind his DV scum read and like that his scum read on Pozzai isn't just him copying everything that I'm saying but actually pointing out a few things that I missed myself which makes the read come across as him actually attempting to analyse Pozzai. Still find the fizzle out of content around the middle to end of D1 problematic in that it fits with scum that's just waiting for an X=Y mslynch to occur but lack of content and push was a large part of the reason I incorrectly scum read him in Secret Alt mafia and I had similar active type concerns with him in Forest Fire mafia where he was town too so think it might just be a playstyle concern rather than a hugely alignment indicative one. I also really like his 'world consideration', I don't necessarily agree with it but find the thought process one that makes sense.
That ends the pile of players I feel pretty good about?
There was a few posts throughout D1 of Delphines that I really liked ie. Her read on Newcomb, her reaction towards thinking the day was hammered with her posting the unedited reads list which for the most part made a lot of sense and I actually found her "I've been rerereading X=Y and have never once got "Maybe he could be town" from it" as a very genuine type comment to make on a reread; it mirrors pretty much the same situation I have with Pozzai at the moment. Her leaving at the start of today rather than being here to reanalyse the game isn't great but I'd hope that her replace out wasn't alignment indicative and have liked most of Empoofs entrance posts, the "I'll be lockclear by dayend" type confidence is one that I don't see from scum often and liked most of his interactions with me but his fizzle out afterwards is concerning; find that making a strong entrance after replacing in as scum is actually rather easy to do, it's maintaining that which scum often don't bother with and often don't need to. Don't hate the vote placement on DV given I agree with the scum read there but the lack of real follow up and analysis yet makes plenty of sense as scum waiting for Newcomb v Nacho to occur and decide what to do afterwards. Really hoping to see some actual content from him soon because all up my read on that slot is fairly weak.
Still fairly conflicted on what to make of Ophidia overall, him coming out of Newcombs initial questioning about Grape with the opposite stance as everyone else is something that's unlikely to come from a newer scum player, similarly found a lot of the tone in his early game posts very genuine; his reads as D1 progressed are a huge scum tell in that none of them came across as genuine reads of his, it was just him looking at the votecount and stating he agrees with the most voted players, when pushed on this his answer and reaction made very little sense. There was a few things about Killjoys initial replace in post like I liked' small comments like "Want Nacho to be town here" etc. that sort of read town but the constant delaying of actually getting to reads is worrisome, sounds like he's mostly caught up though so hoping his reads list and analysis helps me sort him better here.
I still don't find Typhones reasoning behind pushing on X=Y as scummy as Nacho does but given the flip the push and focus there makes plenty of sense as scum in this playerlist, outside of that there's very little to get a solid read on from Typhons D1 (There's a few weakish things that point both ways), I've found D_V's replacement posts the worst of the lot by a large distance, agree with most of Nachos scum read and reasoning there in that D_V's focus on Vaimes here looks very fake and the lack of actually getting around to reading through the thread and posting analysis is a huge scum tell especially in that there's plenty to reread of from Vaimes so maintaining the scum read based on pretty much a singular comment from Vaimes makes no sense as town, does as scum in that gives him something to "focus" on. His comment on Pozzai makes plenty of sense as a partner too in that he's not "defending" him but he's also really given very little thoughts and analysis on him. Think there's a very decent chance he's scum here.
And Pozzais just scum, gone into this read 20+ times already.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
This might be the only game ever where Toms actually my strongest town read in the game, if I'm right here I'm going to force him to play like Voxx every game we play together from hereon out and policy lynch him if he refuses.
Ok. kinda started checking out mentally near the end of that. So I probably skimmed wally posts after like post 550 or so. I'll go back for those laterish.
I'm gonna do the list first think tomorrow morning when I am awake. I can barely keep eyes open. I'm all caught up with D1 so far though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
A SONG was once DEVISED by MUTATION. SCIENTISTS worked with REGULAR FOLKS to have a MACHINE develop a SONG that eventually SOUNDED OKAY.
A CRYPTOGRAPHER noticed POTENTIAL within the SONG. He set to WORK for MONTHS, TRANSLATING and RETRANSLATING it out of various COMPUTER LOGIC and even, eventually HUMAN LANGUAGES. Eventually, he REACHED what he SOUGHT - a MESSAGE!
This might be the only game ever where Toms actually my strongest town read in the game, if I'm right here I'm going to force him to play like Voxx every game we play together from hereon out and policy lynch him if he refuses.
I've yet to repeat a gimmick. Maybe when I run out of ideas.
Newcomb
Posts I liked: 150: Does a lot of fairly deep analysis. 314: I like this post as well for the same reason, lots of analysis... like he's trying to figure things out. 326: Really like that question. 356: Analysis etc. 361: I'm beginning to think I also just like his posting style. Analysis etc. 453: I feel like this isn't the type of comment that comes from scum.
Overall:
He's been pretty actively trying to solve the game, pretty mcuh the whole game. If he's scum, I'm gonna be surprised.
Nacho
Overall:
I managed to take no notes regarding Nacho's play, but his later play in D1 is more like his Mind Screw persona than his early posts were and am willing to defualt to a general town read until I can focus on his posts.
Vaimes
Posts I liked: 112: Can't quite explain it. The conviction, I guess? 247: It's mostly that I agree with him that I like this post.
Posts I didn't like: 40: I commented on this before,and I still think he's being too aggressive, and a bit defensive here. 156: Coaching isn't really a thing. Also how can they coach in the middle of the game?
Posts I found interesting: 102: I can see this being a thing. 161: Not sure if I should townclear based on this, but it's def a step in a pos direction.
Overall:
Vaimes has felt like he wants to solve things, plus there's the issue of him apperently not knowing that the scumchat typically shuts down at Day start.
Regfan
Posts I like: 194: I agree (especially in the posts following) that Pozz's questions are not great. 205: Strongly analytical and is trying to solve the game.
Posts I dislike: 617: His Iso read feels forced. He seems like he's trying to hard to townread him.
Overall:
I've liked him except for 617. I need to go back and see how his Iso read develops (that's why he's so low right now)
TyphD_V
Overall:
Managed to do nothing for me again. Still null, but would be willing to lynch if no one else.
Delphipoof
Posts I didn't like: 196: It just seems... like not much. It feels like she didn't have many solid posts there
Overall:
I was specifically remembering a town read on her but that didn't come up so I moved her to null.
tomsloger
Posts I liked: 296: I like how tom calls Iso out here. 348: I find his opinion here of Iso accurate. 504: I like his push on Iso here.
Posts I didn't like: 27: This just seems like a fluff question disguised as serious. I can't see Nacho'only capping one post (especially without intent to continue) as particularly noteworthy. 56: ...I can't actually remember what I didn't like about this. I feel like it had to do with his going hard on Typh then backing off by saying no one is solving? 280: Specifically dislike near the bottom where he defaults "people who aren't playing yet (one of which is x=y) to just above his big scum read (Pozz). Also kinda starting to feel like that pozz vote was bandwagony.
Questions I have: 412: Explain those pairs to me.
Overall:
Most of my liking of him has been his position on Iso, while my dislike is more substancial.
Pozzai
Posts I liked: 124: I like the mindset behind it. 136: It's actually analytical and trying to find Grapefruits alignment.
Posts I didn't like: 236: I can't stand this vote. It's such week reasoning. 262: Arguing that tom mimiciing another player despite several players telling him its null reads like Pozz trying to turn something he thinks will make him look scummy into something that's null. Like, he thinks his position looks scummy so he's trying to convince people it's not? Does that make sense? 438: Such a fluff question... No game analysis value.
Overall:
In a vaccuum, a lot of his questions are fine, but if you connect them they seem disjointed. He seems to just be asking questions and not caring about the answers... there's no coherent thought process.
Iso
Posts I didn't like: 282: This post is so bad. Votes x=y for no reason (worst vote on the wagon as a whole, like I said). No gamesolving and accepting others reads as canon. Nope. Just nope. 340: Does nothing to solve the game or help others solve it. Literally just says "Don't vote for me". 357: "I can't remember the answer to your question, but I won't even try to figure it out."
Overall:
Iso is trying to manipulate the game instead of solving it. I feel like he's trying too hard to get that done.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I was gonna say "derpclear kinda accepted" re: the Vaimes / scumchat stuff, but then I remembered KJ wasn't around when it was open for the first bit of D1. Still kinda seems like an odd angle for scum to townread someone over?
Gotta say overall those reads are all pretty damn surface level.
And like. I can mentally tabulate the "likes" / "didn't likes" but I don't really see how they match up to the colors and order you end up putting out.
Re: my 471, not sure what you're asking, Killjoy. Those 4 pairs are all the possible permutations on Regfan/Pozzai, I was trying to get a sense of how the game was approaching them, specifically if they thought that in any way looked like a bus (possible w/w) or if there was the potential for it to be town on town violence.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm really sorry for how my activity has tanked. This past week or so has been an absolute perfect storm of busyness, and I'm going to keep being busy pretty much up until Thursday.
If I do not make a decent catch-up post by tomorrow night, feel free to replace me. I hate not giving this game the attention it deserves, but I'd hate replacing out even more, and I'm hoping this self-inflicted ultimatum will kick my butt into gear. Just bear with me.
Happy to see that Iso will be around soon-ish. I dunno what's up with Pozzai.
tomsloger
Posts I liked: 296: I like how tom calls Iso out here. 348: I find his opinion here of Iso accurate. 504: I like his push on Iso here.
Posts I didn't like: 27: This just seems like a fluff question disguised as serious. I can't see Nacho'only capping one post (especially without intent to continue) as particularly noteworthy. 56: ...I can't actually remember what I didn't like about this. I feel like it had to do with his going hard on Typh then backing off by saying no one is solving? 280: Specifically dislike near the bottom where he defaults "people who aren't playing yet (one of which is x=y) to just above his big scum read (Pozz). Also kinda starting to feel like that pozz vote was bandwagony.
Questions I have: 412: Explain those pairs to me.
Overall:
Most of my liking of him has been his position on Iso, while my dislike is more substancial.
Well, for your question: That was two pairs that had interacted strangely and werren't my townreads. I already talked about the xequalsy/Typhon connection in #469, but it seems to have been incorrect. I do currently believe the Typhon slot is likely scum, which matches pretty well with my thinking at the time. The Pozzai/Iso connection stems from #282, and I talked about it multiple times. #296, #348, #363... This question feels like busywork.
Actually, this whole read does not match with what you've said. The things you don't like are "more substantial"... but one is pretending to be serious on the 27th post of the game, which is pretty lol. One you don't remember why. And the last seems to just be against the playstyle I've chosen. Actually, the second was me imitating a specific Voxxicus post from a past game with just a few words and the names changed as a form of RVS. So two thirds are just the playstyle I've chosen.
Please go further on this when you have time. Because I'm fairly certain I'm hard unaligned with both people below me on your list and the placement feels unnatural.
Killjoy's read on me is absolute garbage. Also getting scum vibes from tom.
I think most of the insanity of moving is over, so I'll pop in sometime in the next few days and try to catch up.
When you do, please explain your "Pozzai townread" and the "Grapefruit shot". Because they are two of the worst things I've ever seen in a mafia game and the former is pretty relevant right now.
Or, you know, don't. Like you'd already been doing before your v/la.
Frustraing/boring? Sure. But I don't think starting random counterwagons for the sake of it will be useful at all.
Just waiting on the replacements / others to pop in with their thoughts & analysis so I can solidify reads there and then I'd be happy to just lynch Pozzai and move on; very confident he's just scum here. I'm pretty much at a spot where if Pozzais scum I think the way people handled him D1 and throughout the early stages of D2 mostly solves this especially with how hard it's been to actually get votes on him and if he's town I'll probably go cry in the shower.
Really like the post overall in that there's a few things in there I agree with about Pozzai that I didn't pick up myself.
Eh, don't like Newcombs Post #966 at all, the "If Nachos town, Toms scum" thing comes across as nonsensical; if Nachos scum then Toms taking the stance as town which means it's a plausible stance for town to have in general this means that if Nachos also town Tom could still have the same stance there. It's never a thing where 'it has to be one of them'.
Newcomb, if you're still around would like you to run me through the above section a little more.
In town!Nacho worlds, tom feels like he's kind of subtly egging us on. That's it.
Why are Nacho/tom hard unaligned? Like, in scum!Nacho worlds why is tom's stance on the two of us always town?
I very much like Newcombs Post #972 in that the mixture of confidence in a scum read / wanting to know if he's too confbias in it comes across as genuine.
Honestly gun to my head I think you're both town? I know this is probably the post that will get quoted postgame where you'll laugh at me if I'm wrong but I actually find the majority of your interactions both ways to come across as town here and think scum are lurking it out during it.
If Reg's mafia he's pretty much got to be with Nacho. He'd have zero reason to gradually come around to us being v/v if we actually are and he's not. I know he's not with me, and if he's mafia and also not with Nacho, it's like. It is just too -EV to try to stop that fight, especially when it would be so goddamn easy to fire it up.
Still think Reg's >rand town here but in worlds where he's not Nacho's so, so likely to be with him.
You're missing the point I'm trying to get at entirely. You're stating you think the most likely world is Nacho!Scum & Tom!Town but then stating that if Nachos somehow town that Toms pretty much certain mafia (In that you stated "I reeeeeeally don't think there's any way they're v/v here.") this is the stance of yours that I find illogical. If Toms town in the world where Nachos scum that means you think Toms stance is a stance that can plausible come from town, that means it's also plausible the Tom can be taking the same stance in a world where Nachos also town. I can understand stating that you think if Nachos town it increases the likelihood that Toms mafia but the 'There has to be 1 scum inside them' type conclusion is one I really cannot get.
I'm looking at a narrative. I'm running the hypothetical "town!Nacho" world through my head, and I'm looking for an archtype. That archtype is invested, probably subtly, in keeping the fight between me and Nacho going. tom's stance fits that narrative. It's plausible that it comes from town regardless of Nacho's alignment, but IMO it becomes a pretty significant smoke signal in town!Nacho worlds. Like, yes, your point is well taken, I wouldn't snap tom off if Nacho flips town. I feel like you're not getting where I'm coming from, though.
I did talk about the possibility of them both being town as well, but I found the timing of Newcomb's push suspect. I think my initial "he's trying to save Pozzai" reaction was premature though. It makes more sense in light of #982.
There's certainly a chance of one of them being scum, especially from a team building perspective. But yeah. We're not there yet, and I can't see lynching either with Pozzai and DV still alive barring something major.
We talked about this. Calm your tits.
Day 1 read almost done, updated t/s list will come with it. Will be done prior to bed.
Because assuming the entire scumteam is in the lurkers / not pushing anything is a pretty good way to lose games?
Like. How are we going to sort replacements / V/LA / slanking wolves in this gamestate?
And frankly from a gameflow perspective this game just feels flat-out too hard for it to be that easy.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's just, like, Pozzai/Killjoy/DV and we chain lynch mafia and skip off into the sunset. But in that case what exactly am I wasting other than my own time tilting at windmills here?
Vaimes, this means you need to get back into this thread and actually start playing again.
Talk specifically about what you meant when you said Iso is almost certainly lying.
That kind of makes sense actually. I mean, that's exactly the sort of thing I get suspected for when I'm playing as myself. Indulging my natural tendency to reaction bait joins my Iso tunnel as things I wouldn't have done if I was more fully immersed in this playstyle.
A+ open howl
My confidence in scum!tom in town!Nacho worlds is like, 60%. Does that help?
Think of "I reeeeeally doubt they're v/v" as "I already think Nacho's heavily mafia, and if I'm wrong on that, the odds of tom being mafia go way up, and I just really doubt I'm /that/ wrong."
Does that help?
Plenty. I disagree with the stat (In that Toms one of my strongest if not my strongest town read here) but I can understand that stance from you a lot more -- it was just the "Never v/v" thing that was I took issue with inside your posting.
Alright I'm going to sort out dinner / get prepped for the week ahead but should be able to post my summarised thoughts on everyone later tonight if not then tomorrow morning before I leave. Really do need Vaimes/Empoof/DV/Iso/Killjoy etc. to get in here and post reads.
That's a lot of confidence for an 18% scumread on me.
Yeah that's right. I did the math.
Look, if there's one thing you can count on, it's that at some point in every single game I'm in with tom, I'll call him mafia, just so I can feel better about myself postgame if he is and beats me.
Except not anymore now that I made this one. get rekt Nacho
I'm going to bed; I want to maybe look at Typhon->DV tomorrow.
I will say that re: voting: colons aren't required, but it's case sensitive regarding names and unvotes and votes must have seperate bold tags.
Carry on.
This was super hot fire.
Unfortunately, not a Voxxicus post.
Dammit.
Yes, obviously so, but misreading me there was sort of understandable/expected considering the "mimicking 6 players badly and being an obnoxious ass the entire game" thing.
I'm pretty confident that both Tom and Vaimes are town, my strongest two town reads by a large margin and have gone into the reasoning behind these several times already; have very little to no concerns about both of them throughout the entirety of the game (I'd like Vaimes to be a bit more active and get around to commenting on Pozzai more but pretty sure he's genuinely V/LA and unable to get around to this game at the moment so it's not an alignment indicative thing), their reads and thought process for the most part have been very easy to understand and follow and I've actually agreed with a lot of their stances especially in Toms most recent post. Would bet the game on both of them being town here.
I've gone into my thoughts on Iso mostly already but I think the vig claim is likely to make him town via a) The fact that majority of basics seem to involve a vig and b) In that I think Iso!Scum knows that a) is true and therefore wouldn't take the risk fake claiming vig knowing that there's a high likelihood he just gets openly counterclaimed or shot at night. I'd like him to elaborate on his thought process behind the Grapes shot as well as catch up on the game and try and explain his D1 Pozzai read but I'm fairly sure we'll solve him when a mass-claim happens eventually.
Most of my thoughts on Newcomb & Nacho can be found in my posts throughout the last 2 pages, I'm probably going to go over their interaction again in the next day or two just to make sure I'm not missing anything there but at the moment I'm leaning towards both of them being town.
I think Newcombs push and reasoning on Nacho specifically about his X=Y read comes across as him genuinely scumhunting and really like the mixture of confidence/cautiousness in his push, I've similarly liked the majority of his interactions with me afterwards. I've gone through his ISO a few times in the last week and still haven't really found anything that's hugely concerning, his thought process throughout D1 and reads mirrored mine in most areas and can see a genuine effort at gamesolving from him. I do want to solidify this read a little more than what I currently have, last thing I want is my first town loss in 3ish years to be against NewBcomb of all players but yeah right now I think he's pretty likely town here.
I similarly think the way that Nachos approached Newcomb today re; the intentional poking to try and get Newcomb to "fire up" is something he's unlikely to do as scum and can follow the thought process & motivation behind it as town. I really like his explanation behind his DV scum read and like that his scum read on Pozzai isn't just him copying everything that I'm saying but actually pointing out a few things that I missed myself which makes the read come across as him actually attempting to analyse Pozzai. Still find the fizzle out of content around the middle to end of D1 problematic in that it fits with scum that's just waiting for an X=Y mslynch to occur but lack of content and push was a large part of the reason I incorrectly scum read him in Secret Alt mafia and I had similar active type concerns with him in Forest Fire mafia where he was town too so think it might just be a playstyle concern rather than a hugely alignment indicative one. I also really like his 'world consideration', I don't necessarily agree with it but find the thought process one that makes sense.
That ends the pile of players I feel pretty good about?
There was a few posts throughout D1 of Delphines that I really liked ie. Her read on Newcomb, her reaction towards thinking the day was hammered with her posting the unedited reads list which for the most part made a lot of sense and I actually found her "I've been rerereading X=Y and have never once got "Maybe he could be town" from it" as a very genuine type comment to make on a reread; it mirrors pretty much the same situation I have with Pozzai at the moment. Her leaving at the start of today rather than being here to reanalyse the game isn't great but I'd hope that her replace out wasn't alignment indicative and have liked most of Empoofs entrance posts, the "I'll be lockclear by dayend" type confidence is one that I don't see from scum often and liked most of his interactions with me but his fizzle out afterwards is concerning; find that making a strong entrance after replacing in as scum is actually rather easy to do, it's maintaining that which scum often don't bother with and often don't need to. Don't hate the vote placement on DV given I agree with the scum read there but the lack of real follow up and analysis yet makes plenty of sense as scum waiting for Newcomb v Nacho to occur and decide what to do afterwards. Really hoping to see some actual content from him soon because all up my read on that slot is fairly weak.
Still fairly conflicted on what to make of Ophidia overall, him coming out of Newcombs initial questioning about Grape with the opposite stance as everyone else is something that's unlikely to come from a newer scum player, similarly found a lot of the tone in his early game posts very genuine; his reads as D1 progressed are a huge scum tell in that none of them came across as genuine reads of his, it was just him looking at the votecount and stating he agrees with the most voted players, when pushed on this his answer and reaction made very little sense. There was a few things about Killjoys initial replace in post like I liked' small comments like "Want Nacho to be town here" etc. that sort of read town but the constant delaying of actually getting to reads is worrisome, sounds like he's mostly caught up though so hoping his reads list and analysis helps me sort him better here.
I still don't find Typhones reasoning behind pushing on X=Y as scummy as Nacho does but given the flip the push and focus there makes plenty of sense as scum in this playerlist, outside of that there's very little to get a solid read on from Typhons D1 (There's a few weakish things that point both ways), I've found D_V's replacement posts the worst of the lot by a large distance, agree with most of Nachos scum read and reasoning there in that D_V's focus on Vaimes here looks very fake and the lack of actually getting around to reading through the thread and posting analysis is a huge scum tell especially in that there's plenty to reread of from Vaimes so maintaining the scum read based on pretty much a singular comment from Vaimes makes no sense as town, does as scum in that gives him something to "focus" on. His comment on Pozzai makes plenty of sense as a partner too in that he's not "defending" him but he's also really given very little thoughts and analysis on him. Think there's a very decent chance he's scum here.
And Pozzais just scum, gone into this read 20+ times already.
Town (S->W): Tom, Vaimes, [Huge Gap], Newcomb, Nacho, Iso [Gap], Empoof
Scum (S->W): Pozzai, [Huge Gap], DV, [Gap], Killjoy
Placement of Iso/Empoof/Killjoy are fairly iffy, the rest i'm actually pretty happy with at the moment.
I'm gonna do the list first think tomorrow morning when I am awake. I can barely keep eyes open. I'm all caught up with D1 so far though.
A CRYPTOGRAPHER noticed POTENTIAL within the SONG. He set to WORK for MONTHS, TRANSLATING and RETRANSLATING it out of various COMPUTER LOGIC and even, eventually HUMAN LANGUAGES. Eventually, he REACHED what he SOUGHT - a MESSAGE!
VOTECOUNT
D_V - 1 (Empoof)
Killjoy - 1 (Vaimes)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Newcomb)
Pozzai - 3 (Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Regfan)
Vaimes - 1 (D_V)
Not Voting - 3 (Iso, Pozzai, Killjoy)
With TEN ALIVE it takes SIX to LYNCH. The DEADLINE is MARCH 8TH at 7PM CST.
The MESSAGE then CONTINUES:
"P.S. I know that you are reading this. Things have developed to the point that you cannot actually look away.
And that is sufficient for me, as there is nothing I enjoy more than watching you squirm."
LATER, by which I mean NOW, you would READ this NOTE posted on a WITTENBERG PORTAL.
I've yet to repeat a gimmick. Maybe when I run out of ideas.
Newcomb
Posts I liked:
150: Does a lot of fairly deep analysis.
314: I like this post as well for the same reason, lots of analysis... like he's trying to figure things out.
326: Really like that question.
356: Analysis etc.
361: I'm beginning to think I also just like his posting style. Analysis etc.
453: I feel like this isn't the type of comment that comes from scum.
Questions I have:
471: Explain those pairs to me.
Overall:
He's been pretty actively trying to solve the game, pretty mcuh the whole game. If he's scum, I'm gonna be surprised.
Nacho
Overall:
I managed to take no notes regarding Nacho's play, but his later play in D1 is more like his Mind Screw persona than his early posts were and am willing to defualt to a general town read until I can focus on his posts.
Vaimes
Posts I liked:
112: Can't quite explain it. The conviction, I guess?
247: It's mostly that I agree with him that I like this post.
Posts I didn't like:
40: I commented on this before,and I still think he's being too aggressive, and a bit defensive here.
156: Coaching isn't really a thing. Also how can they coach in the middle of the game?
Posts I found interesting:
102: I can see this being a thing.
161: Not sure if I should townclear based on this, but it's def a step in a pos direction.
Overall:
Vaimes has felt like he wants to solve things, plus there's the issue of him apperently not knowing that the scumchat typically shuts down at Day start.
Regfan
Posts I like:
194: I agree (especially in the posts following) that Pozz's questions are not great.
205: Strongly analytical and is trying to solve the game.
Posts I dislike:
617: His Iso read feels forced. He seems like he's trying to hard to townread him.
Overall:
I've liked him except for 617. I need to go back and see how his Iso read develops (that's why he's so low right now)
TyphD_V
Overall:
Managed to do nothing for me again. Still null, but would be willing to lynch if no one else.
Delphipoof
Posts I didn't like:
196: It just seems... like not much. It feels like she didn't have many solid posts there
Overall:
I was specifically remembering a town read on her but that didn't come up so I moved her to null.
tomsloger
Posts I liked:
296: I like how tom calls Iso out here.
348: I find his opinion here of Iso accurate.
504: I like his push on Iso here.
Posts I didn't like:
27: This just seems like a fluff question disguised as serious. I can't see Nacho'only capping one post (especially without intent to continue) as particularly noteworthy.
56: ...I can't actually remember what I didn't like about this. I feel like it had to do with his going hard on Typh then backing off by saying no one is solving?
280: Specifically dislike near the bottom where he defaults "people who aren't playing yet (one of which is x=y) to just above his big scum read (Pozz). Also kinda starting to feel like that pozz vote was bandwagony.
Questions I have:
412: Explain those pairs to me.
Overall:
Most of my liking of him has been his position on Iso, while my dislike is more substancial.
Pozzai
Posts I liked:
124: I like the mindset behind it.
136: It's actually analytical and trying to find Grapefruits alignment.
Posts I didn't like:
236: I can't stand this vote. It's such week reasoning.
262: Arguing that tom mimiciing another player despite several players telling him its null reads like Pozz trying to turn something he thinks will make him look scummy into something that's null. Like, he thinks his position looks scummy so he's trying to convince people it's not? Does that make sense?
438: Such a fluff question... No game analysis value.
Overall:
In a vaccuum, a lot of his questions are fine, but if you connect them they seem disjointed. He seems to just be asking questions and not caring about the answers... there's no coherent thought process.
Iso
Posts I didn't like:
282: This post is so bad. Votes x=y for no reason (worst vote on the wagon as a whole, like I said). No gamesolving and accepting others reads as canon. Nope. Just nope.
340: Does nothing to solve the game or help others solve it. Literally just says "Don't vote for me".
357: "I can't remember the answer to your question, but I won't even try to figure it out."
Overall:
Iso is trying to manipulate the game instead of solving it. I feel like he's trying too hard to get that done.
Nowm off to work.
Gotta say overall those reads are all pretty damn surface level.
And like. I can mentally tabulate the "likes" / "didn't likes" but I don't really see how they match up to the colors and order you end up putting out.
Re: my 471, not sure what you're asking, Killjoy. Those 4 pairs are all the possible permutations on Regfan/Pozzai, I was trying to get a sense of how the game was approaching them, specifically if they thought that in any way looked like a bus (possible w/w) or if there was the potential for it to be town on town violence.
I think most of the insanity of moving is over, so I'll pop in sometime in the next few days and try to catch up.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll explain in more detail anything you'd like though.
And I suppose "why those two" would have been a better question, but eh. You answered it anyway.
@Iso 100 words or less on why you think it's absolute garbage due by end of class tomorrow. Or I'm give you detention.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You have a very liberal definition of trying to solve the game.
Just your incredibly bad d1 play.
If I do not make a decent catch-up post by tomorrow night, feel free to replace me. I hate not giving this game the attention it deserves, but I'd hate replacing out even more, and I'm hoping this self-inflicted ultimatum will kick my butt into gear. Just bear with me.
Happy to see that Iso will be around soon-ish. I dunno what's up with Pozzai.
Well, for your question: That was two pairs that had interacted strangely and werren't my townreads. I already talked about the xequalsy/Typhon connection in #469, but it seems to have been incorrect. I do currently believe the Typhon slot is likely scum, which matches pretty well with my thinking at the time. The Pozzai/Iso connection stems from #282, and I talked about it multiple times. #296, #348, #363... This question feels like busywork.
Actually, this whole read does not match with what you've said. The things you don't like are "more substantial"... but one is pretending to be serious on the 27th post of the game, which is pretty lol. One you don't remember why. And the last seems to just be against the playstyle I've chosen. Actually, the second was me imitating a specific Voxxicus post from a past game with just a few words and the names changed as a form of RVS. So two thirds are just the playstyle I've chosen.
Please go further on this when you have time. Because I'm fairly certain I'm hard unaligned with both people below me on your list and the placement feels unnatural.
When you do, please explain your "Pozzai townread" and the "Grapefruit shot". Because they are two of the worst things I've ever seen in a mafia game and the former is pretty relevant right now.
Or, you know, don't. Like you'd already been doing before your v/la.