But it is absolutley obvious why scum would never do this.
I feel like you say a lot of stuff like this. I'm townreading you pretty hard, but it seems like you're trying to fit a narrative and make that narrative known at times.
But it is absolutley obvious why scum would never do this.
I feel like you say a lot of stuff like this. I'm townreading you pretty hard, but it seems like you're trying to fit a narrative and make that narrative known at times.
What?
Show me other places i have said this.
The narrative is i am town and what d_v did was dumb.
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The narrative is i am town and what d_v did was dumb.
Unless I'm misinterpreting this, I had just seen this as well on the same page:
That whole ophi ordeal with the "vanilla town or town vanilla" should have clued you in.
I do think you're town though, and that it's fairly obvious you are indeed town, this would just come up if it was down to like me, you, and someone I was reading as town as you, but they hadn't done that. Sorry if that's too vague of a hypothetical, basically just it's something weird I noticed.
The narrative is i am town and what d_v did was dumb.
Unless I'm misinterpreting this, I had just seen this as well on the same page:
That whole ophi ordeal with the "vanilla town or town vanilla" should have clued you in.
I do think you're town though, and that it's fairly obvious you are indeed town, this would just come up if it was down to like me, you, and someone I was reading as town as you, but they hadn't done that. Sorry if that's too vague of a hypothetical, basically just it's something weird I noticed.
Tbh, i thought it was weird vaimes DIDN'T catch i was a vt..
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It'll be interesting to look back and see if anyone posting right now is even scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all just sitting on the sidelines. Not really much of a reason to post once the lynch is already confirmed.
It'll be interesting to look back and see if anyone posting right now is even scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all just sitting on the sidelines. Not really much of a reason to post once the lynch is already confirmed.
..........
Ghosting.
Do you think d_v and I are town?
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It'll be interesting to look back and see if anyone posting right now is even scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all just sitting on the sidelines. Not really much of a reason to post once the lynch is already confirmed.
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Ghosting.
Do you think d_v and I are town?
Well.. do you think d_v is town?
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zomgarcwind has been lynched! They were Mercy, Mafia Goon.
It is now Night 1.
Night actions are due to me by 2100 EST Tuesday, 10th January.
Also, I'm hoping Iso will replace kitty so I'll just (optimistically) assume that he'll agree and now effective immediately- Mete0rShower replaces Atogaholic.
I believe our Doctor or Roleblocker stopped the kill last night.
I was jailed last night.
I will tell the same thing I told the Jailer.
"I claimed Tracer for the lul value.
Rodemy counter claimed me. Which was god damn great. I just wanted to instantly act as ridiculous as I could. The scum now won't waste a night kill on our highest thought of town player because of all of the WIFOM and now they definitely won't waste a kill on me either."
You're accusing me of trying to kill a PR that softed on Day 1 with possible protective roles in the game instead of shooting elsewhere?
Bzzzt.
However, that combined with the less likelihood of this setup being multiball means you're very likely town. And you can't accuse me of buddying you or switching my read, so nyah.
Hey guys, I read the game throughout the night. Exciting start so far!
First of all a few things I noticed reading the thread straight away:
1. Ophidia changed his attitude 180 degrees from the game we played together (Cops), which was just recently played. He basically sacrified himself for the team there when he claimed Miller to draw the NK. I agree that Ophidia is most likely town based on interactions with Rodemy but the change it still big and should be pointed out.
2. ZOMG didn't breadcrumb anything this game when he did so a couple of times in the previous game we played together (Bare Bones) where he was a power town role, and making a point out of it too when revealing himself.
3. DV has tried a similar gambit as scum in Cops, lying about something and trying to mislynch two townie players when it didn't make sense.
4. Other people who played those games with us did not point out those things (If they did and I miss them, sorry and please refer me to post# ).
Actually I noticed 4 of the 5 mafia players I've been up against are playing here. I know yall love to play me so its good to have some previous games together to compare playstyle, to add to the behavioural analysis.
A few posts that jumped out to me while reading the thread:
Fairly certain Ophidia is town because I planned on doing the exact same thing he did. Also, he has a mentor and did it, before asking the mentor, further making me believe he’s town. Sure he could do that as scum, but he has a lot less to gain and much more to risk. As a noob (if you’re not a noob, my apologies), claiming VT straight up seems more likely than scum, which I imagine you’d be more paranoid and cautious first run around.
Post #37 by shadowlancer read interestingly to me, but lean town.
Post #44: At this point I actually think Rodemy is just eager town trying to actively hunt and getting a lot of attention too quickly for something I could totally see myself doing as town. Earlier his posts seemed like scum trying to create an easy mislynch, but as it progressed it seems much more like eager town theory-gaming and tunneling. More interested in Rhand and how quickly he jumped on and supported the Rodemy wagon. Going to look over that in a bit.
Huntz reading town for active posts like #101 and #118. Overall attitude and genuine lines of questioning come off as inherently town.
this is a good post; I particularly agree regarding Rodemy
First I must say that I didn't like this post by Ghosting originally. Its a pretty basic post and highlighting #101 and #118 seems silly to me, when there are much better posts in the game by then.
However, even putting this aside this reply by red_0mega seems forced and like he just wanted to agree with Ghosting on whatever. @Vaimes - what made you pick red_0mega from those four "bodies" on post #125? What do you think of the votes on red_0mega that followed you?
@Hunt: What are your feelings about this game so far? I remember big bad hunt who came at me in Bare Bones and didn't let up, so far this game you've been subdued.
I hear you on that. I'm reading everything, and nothing is jumping out at me as overtly scummy. I got pretty lucky with the No Lynch gambit on you in all seriousness, but once I find something that I can sink my teeth into, I'll let you know.
This reply look to me as something mafia would say. If you look at his previous posts they don't actually contain any thoughts from him about others. When pointed out by Shadow he plays off reading Shadow (in that previous game) as mafia correctly as "lucky", almost trying to get Shadow to back off him by ego stroking. Avoiding to talk about others and having interactions with other players can be a bad town play, but I would put it more likely to being mafia that doesn't want to ruffle any feathers and trying to stay in the background when other town targets are being taken down. @Rodemy - What are you thoughts on Huntzilla? (you can refer me to post# if already posted them)
You lied to make it seem like you werent forcing people to commit to reads this early. You even said the question qas to force people to commit.
And then defend yourself by doing the complete opposite.
Then to defend THAT wacky move, you say you misunderstood, when it IS CLEAR that you meant rhand and I.
Its how the whole situation panned out really.
Stop trying to push the lynch over to me.
I'm not sure how long you've played Mafia, and I genuinely mean no offense at all when I explain the next few things the way I do -- and you may already know it, in which case disregard. But it's important that when you say "this is scummy", you look at a few things:
1) Why is it scummy?
2) Is it malicious?
3) Is it trying to get someone lynched?
4) Is it something town could also do?
5) Is it possible I'm tunneling?
And here's why I say this: You don't know that I lied. I didn't, and I genuinely did just confuse the two players we were talking about. I mostly play while high, late at night, and was talking with two other players about Rodemy and Ophidia, who were also the big dichotomy at the time. Because there's the possibility I'm not lying, and humans are human who are prone to mistakes and condemning people for doing so is an easy way to let scum eat up mislynches especially when the confusion is incredibly innocent and not at all harmful, you need to look at the steps.
Seems like something a mafia would say to downplay his mistake. I don't see how Ghosting doesn't realize it was about Rodemy/Rhand in that exchange. I don't buy that he forgot who he talked about in his question to Vaimes, it doesn't seem likely. @Ghosting - Can you post a T/S list?
D_V suggests a name claim, then Huntzilla post pretty quickly (after lurking) to deny it. Seems really important for Huntzilla not to have a name claim.
Then he realizes he needs to do something since he replied and quickly come up with a generic low effort post 3 minutes after.
That whole ophi ordeal with the "vanilla town or town vanilla" should have clued you in.
Well I'm not VT.
God this is fun.
Why would you do this? Did the ZOMG lynch tilt you that much?
@D_V - Why did you claim in those two posts here?
Last but not least, won't quote it because it's too big but Post #307 by Cantripmancer is very good (although it does mention Silver in this game for some reason lol), and red_0mega ignoring it when replying at #345 at the same page make 0mega look even worse. I got some good vibes from Cantripmancer overall. He went straight into questioning peoples opinions without worrying about irrelevant things or idle speculation, which I can see mafia hiding behind. Provided his thoughts on almost all players, and I find myself agreeing with lots of his opinions.
ToDay's competing wagons are going to be DV and Rod. Obviously.
More people need to post thoughts on that.
My thoughts is D_V looks more suspect between the two because he lied, but first I'd like to understand why he claimed Tracer after us getting ZOMG, and then claiming non VT. I don't get that, regardless of alignment.
Why would i bus my scum mate. And then after he claims scum cc town!d_v.
Like..
You want more points? He claimed nuet. False claim. Said he was mercy. False claim.
And then claimed tracer. False claim.
If he flips tracer, town whatever pr he wants to claim, then i will gladly be toMorrows lynch. I'll even vote myself.
The fact you didn't vote him right away makes me super ****in suspicious of you.
The fact you think there is even the slightest chance a rodemy wagon will start toDay makes me suspicious of you.
Sooo lets lynch d_v.
Has DV lied a lot? Yes.
What has it resulted in? A scum lynch, and (as he's claiming) a blocked NK.
I don't really have any interest in lynching that, or you. When I said that you or DV should be wagoned, I meant people should give their opinions and vote.
To be clear, I'm not implying he's /lying/ about the NK being blocked, because it's a public thing that can't be lied about.
I'm saying that it's possible it was stopped by some other means and he's either lying, or it was a coincidence that he got Jailed when the kill failed. I don't think those are as likely though.
I just picked him randomly out of the four. I can't remember who followed me besides Rhand, which I felt weird about but nothing I can really put my finger on.
Now I'm voting Anak for possibly being the only mafia vote on zomg.
I believe our Doctor or Roleblocker stopped the kill last night.
I was jailed last night.
I will tell the same thing I told the Jailer.
"I claimed Tracer for the lul value.
Rodemy counter claimed me. Which was god damn great. I just wanted to instantly act as ridiculous as I could. The scum now won't waste a night kill on our highest thought of town player because of all of the WIFOM and now they definitely won't waste a kill on me either."
I don't follow.. You are saying you did it so the mafia didn't waste a kill on you, but then say they did stop the kill on you?
So your plan to avoid getting killed actually almost got you killed?
You're accusing me of trying to kill a PR that softed on Day 1 with possible protective roles in the game instead of shooting elsewhere?
Bzzzt.
However, that combined with the less likelihood of this setup being multiball means you're very likely town. And you can't accuse me of buddying you or switching my read, so nyah.
Gonna look at my last big post again.
Wouldn't D_V more likely to be mafia now thats its not 2 different mafia teams, because thats exactly what ZOMG would want us to believe? He could say D_V is mafia (true), on a different mafia team (false), then take the suspicion of D_V when ZOMG flips mafia and there is only one mafia team.
Jesus christ there is no way you can be that dumb.
A blocked nk? How convienient is that?
Why wouldn't scum just kill me and push d_v for lying?
D_v isn't town.
Because if they can get a lynch on you. And not on me. Then they get to lynch me the next day. Its literally 2 free days.
@Mete0rShower A jailer is someone who puts a person in "Jail". When in jail they can talk to that person. And ultimately decided if they want to kill who is in jail that night. My jailer also revealed his identity to me. But I'm keeping that one close to the chest.
Wouldn't D_V more likely to be mafia now thats its not 2 different mafia teams, because thats exactly what ZOMG would want us to believe? He could say D_V is mafia (true), on a different mafia team (false), then take the suspicion of D_V when ZOMG flips mafia and there is only one mafia team.
Eh, that's too wine-y.
I remember thinking zomg's posts made DV more likely unaligned than not, but I need to reread.
Jesus christ there is no way you can be that dumb.
A blocked nk? How convienient is that?
Why wouldn't scum just kill me and push d_v for lying?
D_v isn't town.
Because if they can get a lynch on you. And not on me. Then they get to lynch me the next day. Its literally 2 free days.
@Mete0rShower A jailer is someone who puts a person in "Jail". When in jail they can talk to that person. And ultimately decided if they want to kill who is in jail that night. My jailer also revealed his identity to me. But I'm keeping that one close to the chest.
Do you get confirmation from the mod that the person is town?
So we have a player that get killed players, and he was gonna kill you last night then backed off after you had a convo? What did you tell him that make him change his mind?
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Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Can we just not claim names anymore? I think that will lesson the confusion.
EZ game.
Lynch Vaimes guys hes scum after you lynch Rodemy after my flip or when he flips to vig.
Rod is definitely town.
DV is still cute.
Plus I'm not actually sure why he thinks I'm scum beyond not voting zomg at a time he deemed acceptable.
I feel like you say a lot of stuff like this. I'm townreading you pretty hard, but it seems like you're trying to fit a narrative and make that narrative known at times.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
What?
Show me other places i have said this.
The narrative is i am town and what d_v did was dumb.
Unless I'm misinterpreting this, I had just seen this as well on the same page:
I do think you're town though, and that it's fairly obvious you are indeed town, this would just come up if it was down to like me, you, and someone I was reading as town as you, but they hadn't done that. Sorry if that's too vague of a hypothetical, basically just it's something weird I noticed.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Tbh, i thought it was weird vaimes DIDN'T catch i was a vt..
D_v. get lynched.
I just didn't realize Tracer was a name because it looks like Tracker. And Rhand said "I think you're a scum Tracker."
Simple explanation.
Wouldn't his scum partner be even more likely to pick up on that?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
..........
Ghosting.
Do you think d_v and I are town?
Well.. do you think d_v is town?
Rodemy(1): Atogaholic
zomgarcwind(8): Rodemy, Rhand, D_V, Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx, Vaimes, zomgarcwind, Anaklusmos
zomgarcwind has been lynched! They were Mercy, Mafia Goon.
It is now Night 1.
Night actions are due to me by 2100 EST Tuesday, 10th January.
Also, I'm hoping Iso will replace kitty so I'll just (optimistically) assume that he'll agree and now effective immediately- Mete0rShower replaces Atogaholic.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
No one was killed.
Day 2 Begins now.
New deadline: Jan. 24th 2100 EST.
Can't wait to see how he spins this.
ToDay's competing wagons are going to be DV and Rod. Obviously.
More people need to post thoughts on that.
You are so town it hurts man.
I believe our Doctor or Roleblocker stopped the kill last night.
I was jailed last night.
I will tell the same thing I told the Jailer.
"I claimed Tracer for the lul value.
Rodemy counter claimed me. Which was god damn great. I just wanted to instantly act as ridiculous as I could. The scum now won't waste a night kill on our highest thought of town player because of all of the WIFOM and now they definitely won't waste a kill on me either."
No yeah jailer.
Remember our conversation?
Vote Vaimes
Bzzzt.
However, that combined with the less likelihood of this setup being multiball means you're very likely town. And you can't accuse me of buddying you or switching my read, so nyah.
Gonna look at my last big post again.
No. toDays lynch is d_v.
Why would i bus my scum mate. And then after he claims scum cc town!d_v.
Like..
You want more points? He claimed nuet. False claim. Said he was mercy. False claim.
And then claimed tracer. False claim.
If he flips tracer, town whatever pr he wants to claim, then i will gladly be toMorrows lynch. I'll even vote myself.
The fact you didn't vote him right away makes me super ****in suspicious of you.
The fact you think there is even the slightest chance a rodemy wagon will start toDay makes me suspicious of you.
Sooo lets lynch d_v.
Mete0r r Atogaholic
Iso r kittyslot
Ghosting
Huntzilla
Five names, probably ~three more scum. Kill them all.
I personally want to look into Anak and Hunt.
Iso and Mete0r need to catch up, and they're both solid players that I personally think I can get a decent read on.
Ghosting is eh, participatory and I'll let him word-vomit some more.
Vote Anak
Ghosting is probably 4.
Ill get to that at a leter point.
First of all a few things I noticed reading the thread straight away:
1. Ophidia changed his attitude 180 degrees from the game we played together (Cops), which was just recently played. He basically sacrified himself for the team there when he claimed Miller to draw the NK. I agree that Ophidia is most likely town based on interactions with Rodemy but the change it still big and should be pointed out.
2. ZOMG didn't breadcrumb anything this game when he did so a couple of times in the previous game we played together (Bare Bones) where he was a power town role, and making a point out of it too when revealing himself.
3. DV has tried a similar gambit as scum in Cops, lying about something and trying to mislynch two townie players when it didn't make sense.
4. Other people who played those games with us did not point out those things (If they did and I miss them, sorry and please refer me to post# ).
Actually I noticed 4 of the 5 mafia players I've been up against are playing here. I know yall love to play me so its good to have some previous games together to compare playstyle, to add to the behavioural analysis.
A few posts that jumped out to me while reading the thread:
First I must say that I didn't like this post by Ghosting originally. Its a pretty basic post and highlighting #101 and #118 seems silly to me, when there are much better posts in the game by then.
However, even putting this aside this reply by red_0mega seems forced and like he just wanted to agree with Ghosting on whatever.
@Vaimes - what made you pick red_0mega from those four "bodies" on post #125? What do you think of the votes on red_0mega that followed you?
This reply look to me as something mafia would say. If you look at his previous posts they don't actually contain any thoughts from him about others. When pointed out by Shadow he plays off reading Shadow (in that previous game) as mafia correctly as "lucky", almost trying to get Shadow to back off him by ego stroking. Avoiding to talk about others and having interactions with other players can be a bad town play, but I would put it more likely to being mafia that doesn't want to ruffle any feathers and trying to stay in the background when other town targets are being taken down.
@Rodemy - What are you thoughts on Huntzilla? (you can refer me to post# if already posted them)
Seems like something a mafia would say to downplay his mistake. I don't see how Ghosting doesn't realize it was about Rodemy/Rhand in that exchange. I don't buy that he forgot who he talked about in his question to Vaimes, it doesn't seem likely.
@Ghosting - Can you post a T/S list?
D_V suggests a name claim, then Huntzilla post pretty quickly (after lurking) to deny it. Seems really important for Huntzilla not to have a name claim.
Then he realizes he needs to do something since he replied and quickly come up with a generic low effort post 3 minutes after.
@D_V - Why did you claim in those two posts here?
Last but not least, won't quote it because it's too big but Post #307 by Cantripmancer is very good (although it does mention Silver in this game for some reason lol), and red_0mega ignoring it when replying at #345 at the same page make 0mega look even worse. I got some good vibes from Cantripmancer overall. He went straight into questioning peoples opinions without worrying about irrelevant things or idle speculation, which I can see mafia hiding behind. Provided his thoughts on almost all players, and I find myself agreeing with lots of his opinions.
My thoughts is D_V looks more suspect between the two because he lied, but first I'd like to understand why he claimed Tracer after us getting ZOMG, and then claiming non VT. I don't get that, regardless of alignment.
Rodemy.
Read my post please.
K thx.
What has it resulted in? A scum lynch, and (as he's claiming) a blocked NK.
I don't really have any interest in lynching that, or you. When I said that you or DV should be wagoned, I meant people should give their opinions and vote.
I'm saying that it's possible it was stopped by some other means and he's either lying, or it was a coincidence that he got Jailed when the kill failed. I don't think those are as likely though.
I just picked him randomly out of the four. I can't remember who followed me besides Rhand, which I felt weird about but nothing I can really put my finger on.
Now I'm voting Anak for possibly being the only mafia vote on zomg.
It makes no sense when I created as much of a crazy free lynch today over the Rodemy things.
Then again when I told the jailer they said that was exactly what they thought. So maybe I out thought myself?
I uh. Don't think you're lying, at any rate, unless other protective roles pop up at some point.
A blocked nk? How convienient is that?
Why wouldn't scum just kill me and push d_v for lying?
D_v isn't town.
I don't follow.. You are saying you did it so the mafia didn't waste a kill on you, but then say they did stop the kill on you?
So your plan to avoid getting killed actually almost got you killed?
Also - can anyone explain to me what Jailer is?
What conversation?
Wouldn't D_V more likely to be mafia now thats its not 2 different mafia teams, because thats exactly what ZOMG would want us to believe? He could say D_V is mafia (true), on a different mafia team (false), then take the suspicion of D_V when ZOMG flips mafia and there is only one mafia team.
Why did you softball throw suspicion onto Zomg like every other post but not vote him?
Then you made statements such as saying ZOMG was a good vote but you wanted to instead follow up with Rhand.
Why?
Hang on.
Because if they can get a lynch on you. And not on me. Then they get to lynch me the next day. Its literally 2 free days.
@Mete0rShower A jailer is someone who puts a person in "Jail". When in jail they can talk to that person. And ultimately decided if they want to kill who is in jail that night. My jailer also revealed his identity to me. But I'm keeping that one close to the chest.
I remember thinking zomg's posts made DV more likely unaligned than not, but I need to reread.
Putting him as town despite having no content was because I liked his RVS vote. Nothing more, nothing less.
I was initially squinty eyeing the zomg wagon because it sprung upfast, and at the time I was worried Rhand was tying himself to me via votes.
Also, I didn't softball him at all, aside from exactly one post. I spent other posts talking about zomg in relation to /you/.
Do you get confirmation from the mod that the person is town?
So we have a player that get killed players, and he was gonna kill you last night then backed off after you had a convo? What did you tell him that make him change his mind?
Should I read the game?
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