Ghosting, was Cantrip your target? Sorry if you already said so.
You're all good, he was indeed my target.
I think that if we want to assume town D_V, we have to assume scum Jailer, which means maybe we should just mass claim now? I was only against it to not out myself really lol, and with all the PRs that have been claimed, it might be good to get it out of the way to see if it affects the direction we move. At this point, I'm not sure who, if anyone, we would be saving from being outed.
I picked DV as my target before all of the twilight craziness ensued, because I had to have something submitted before the scene and I wasn't around to change it. He made the most sense as the night kill due to claiming power and being almost lock town against Zomg when the lynch actually occurred.
I figured you were, Shadow. You made several posts that danced around DV's claim of being jailed, all while saying DV was town and floating the idea that the jailer and roleblocker could both be town.
Why didn't you instavote Scarbo when he claimed roleblocker? Did you really think a town team can have both a roleblocker AND a jailer? What about now that we have a doctor claim, too? Which of the three of you is scum?
I'm thinking that we need to lynch Shadow or Anak toDay, and mechanically, Shadow's the way to go. If time permits, I want to review interactions of those two with Zomg.
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Of those that remain, I believe only myself, Rhand, Iso, and Meteor have not claimed (well, DV hasn't fullclaimed). I'm thinking that we may still have a surprise or two for the scum, so I'm more in favor of finishing the claim toMorrow, but I will go along with a massclaim if that's the concensus.
Huntzilla is still the preferred lynch target for me. Anak has not yet posted anything from their chat, and considering that mafia have nightchat, the paraphrase may not even be from a neighborizer.
What's more, hunt is just opportunistic in his way of speech, and the way Anak focuses entirely on clearing him makes me really suspicious of the two.
I figured you were, Shadow. You made several posts that danced around DV's claim of being jailed, all while saying DV was town and floating the idea that the jailer and roleblocker could both be town.
Why didn't you instavote Scarbo when he claimed roleblocker? Did you really think a town team can have both a roleblocker AND a jailer? What about now that we have a doctor claim, too? Which of the three of you is scum?
Quite frankly I don't know what the town could and couldn't have, I've played in exactly 2 other completed games close to this size, one was a specialty with no vanilla roles, and one was an open setup basic. My role doesn't really interact with Scarbo's though, as my target is chosen durning the day, which is part of why I thought maybe we could both be town (why would scum have a roleblocker that didn't actually work?) but with the sheer amount of PRs, he makes more sense as scum.
I do think it is foolish to believe that scarbo, ghosting, and I are all town, on top of the other PR claims, and mechanically I realize that I'm the best lynch on paper, however, the public nature of my role makes me wonder if that's a balance point?
A good part of me believes Ghosting is lying through his teeth just to destroy this day even more, but I'm going to read him again with his claim in mind.
I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
Cool. I knew it
We have a dichotomy. There's no way the watcher + doc combo passed review.
vote Anak
If Anak is scum, then Hunt is town if he proves he can neighbor again with the same chat.
If Anak is town, then Ghosting is scum, which makes Shadow and D_V town.
One of Scarbo and Shadow is scum. With all the power, scum must have a way of roleblocking, and I don't think we have 2 roleblockers in town AND one on the scumteam. Since both claimed, the Night will make things easy. If any of them blocks an important PR that already claimed, we can insta-lynch them. And since Shadow creates a chat, it's easy for us to know which one blocked who.
Anyways, I believe Ghosting because Cantrip makes way more sense than D_V as NK, so we should lymnch Anak.
All aboard!
Cool. I knew it
We have a dichotomy. There's no way the watcher + doc combo passed review.
vote Anak
If Anak is scum, then Hunt is town if he proves he can neighbor again with the same chat.
If Anak is town, then Ghosting is scum, which makes Shadow and D_V town.
One of Scarbo and Shadow is scum. With all the power, scum must have a way of roleblocking, and I don't think we have 2 roleblockers in town AND one on the scumteam. Since both claimed, the Night will make things easy. If any of them blocks an important PR that already claimed, we can insta-lynch them. And since Shadow creates a chat, it's easy for us to know which one blocked who.
Anyways, I believe Ghosting because Cantrip makes way more sense than D_V as NK, so we should lymnch Anak.
All aboard!
Why is the dichotomy between Ghosting and Anak and not Shadow and Scarbo? Ghosting = Doc = Protective, Anak = Watcher = Information. Not seeing the dichotomy.
I figured you were, Shadow. You made several posts that danced around DV's claim of being jailed, all while saying DV was town and floating the idea that the jailer and roleblocker could both be town.
Why didn't you instavote Scarbo when he claimed roleblocker? Did you really think a town team can have both a roleblocker AND a jailer? What about now that we have a doctor claim, too? Which of the three of you is scum?
Quite frankly I don't know what the town could and couldn't have, I've played in exactly 2 other completed games close to this size, one was a specialty with no vanilla roles, and one was an open setup basic. My role doesn't really interact with Scarbo's though, as my target is chosen durning the day, which is part of why I thought maybe we could both be town (why would scum have a roleblocker that didn't actually work?) but with the sheer amount of PRs, he makes more sense as scum.
I do think it is foolish to believe that scarbo, ghosting, and I are all town, on top of the other PR claims, and mechanically I realize that I'm the best lynch on paper, however, the public nature of my role makes me wonder if that's a balance point?
A good part of me believes Ghosting is lying through his teeth just to destroy this day even more, but I'm going to read him again with his claim in mind.
Hrm. So I see jailer as "doctor" + "roleblocker". (Which is why I think you're the scum, mechanically, as it would make sense for a smaller scum team to have the "combination", while the town could have the roles separated out.) But if you choose your target during the Day, I could see that being an anti-scum!Roleblocker aspect. But I don't see Scarbo's motivation as scum for claiming like he did (without major pressure, and claiming he didn't use his ability). And me as the NK makes WAY more sense than DV, so I tend to see Ghosting as town (really, his claim just reinforces what I've felt from him all game).
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I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
I figured you were, Shadow. You made several posts that danced around DV's claim of being jailed, all while saying DV was town and floating the idea that the jailer and roleblocker could both be town.
Why didn't you instavote Scarbo when he claimed roleblocker? Did you really think a town team can have both a roleblocker AND a jailer? What about now that we have a doctor claim, too? Which of the three of you is scum?
Quite frankly I don't know what the town could and couldn't have, I've played in exactly 2 other completed games close to this size, one was a specialty with no vanilla roles, and one was an open setup basic. My role doesn't really interact with Scarbo's though, as my target is chosen durning the day, which is part of why I thought maybe we could both be town (why would scum have a roleblocker that didn't actually work?) but with the sheer amount of PRs, he makes more sense as scum.
I do think it is foolish to believe that scarbo, ghosting, and I are all town, on top of the other PR claims, and mechanically I realize that I'm the best lynch on paper, however, the public nature of my role makes me wonder if that's a balance point?
A good part of me believes Ghosting is lying through his teeth just to destroy this day even more, but I'm going to read him again with his claim in mind.
Hrm. So I see jailer as "doctor" + "roleblocker". (Which is why I think you're the scum, mechanically, as it would make sense for a smaller scum team to have the "combination", while the town could have the roles separated out.) But if you choose your target during the Day, I could see that being an anti-scum!Roleblocker aspect. But I don't see Scarbo's motivation as scum for claiming like he did (without major pressure, and claiming he didn't use his ability). And me as the NK makes WAY more sense than DV, so I tend to see Ghosting as town (really, his claim just reinforces what I've felt from him all game).
No, there isn't a lot of motivation for scum scarbo to claim, save for not looking really suspect if/when he needed to claim down the line.
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I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
Um...did we know the bolded?
What do you mean? DV asked if I had a kill in addition to jailing and chat, none of that is hidden info anymore.
Shadow seems the most likely scum through mechanics, but I had him as strong town. Ugh.
On the other hand, Scarbo looks suspicious as hell, but thats actually the reason why he might be town. Why would he put a target on himself?
@Shadow - Why did you encourage D_V to fake another name?
@Brinatoo - Can you prod Scarbo?
@Scarbo - Thoughts on the recent developments?
I'm thinking we should let the Scarbo and Shadow situation deal with itself at night, and go for Anak/Hunt.
@Rhand/Cantrip - Now that we know the chat started Day 2, why shouldn't we lynch Hunt?
@Shadow - Why did you encourage D_V to fake another name?
Lol, it was 100% a joke. DV said that the game was up for his fake names, but that it would be crazy to try and ruffle more feathers with another fake name claim.
I responded with basically: Oh My Gosh yes! That would be hilarious!
I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
Um...did we know the bolded?
What do you mean? DV asked if I had a kill in addition to jailing and chat, none of that is hidden info anymore.
Oy, right. Sorry. Way too busy irl, and trying to keep up here, too. Never mind.
So with Scarbo's claim timing, do you think he's more likely town or scum? And if you still suspect Ghosting, you still think DV was the more likely NK over me?
@Meteor: Correction: I *thought* I posted that after Hunt confirmed that the chat started D2, but I had multiple tabs open, and I realize now I hadn't actually posted it.
So would it be best if Shadow jails me tonight, because I'm most likely the kill? If he gets roleblocked, we know Scarbo is the scum roleblocker, and if he doesn't get roleblocked, doctor lives so that's a bonus. Anak can verify if he's the watcher by watching me (because either scum or Shadow would target me in this plan), and Huntz can neighbourize Cantrip since Cantrip is confirmed town now? If anyone is roleblocked, again, we know it's by Scarbo, right?
Sure scum might know this plan, but what can they do? If they try to kill someone that isn't me, Shadow is still jailing me so he'll be confirmed jailer, and Anak would be watching me so he'll still see Shadow visit me. If anyone gets roleblocked in the plan, we know Scarbo is scum because he'd be disrupting the plan, or that scum also have a roleblocker I guess? Not sure what I'm missing or if that covers any potential mishaps.
This may be a better plan in my head than in reality, but I'm just trying to think how we'll go about confirming alignments and roles tonight in the best possible way.
Hunt doesn't fit any of the scumteams. He for sure isn't scum with Anak unless he doesn't neighborize anyone toNight in which case we lynch him.
@Cantrip: Doc and watcher can't be on town together. That will never pass review. the doc protects watcher, watcher watches doc combo is waaaaay too strong.
I am comfortable with Hunt or Anak, but if Hunt is scum, I am concerned that scum right now are trying to move the wagon to someone else, so who would they choose? Hunt was L-2 or L-3 if I recall, so they'd want to start a counterwagon in order to have him not lynched if he is indeed scum. If he's town, why wouldn't they jump on his wagon?
No Hunt is super scum the "I was acting scummy on purpose LUL LUL LUL XD" claim was pretty bonkers specifically when he claimed that and went immediately back to being scummy.
Plus you really going to say that we have a RB a Doc and a Jailer?
No Hunt is super scum the "I was acting scummy on purpose LUL LUL LUL XD" claim was pretty bonkers specifically when he claimed that and went immediately back to being scummy.
Plus you really going to say that we have a RB a Doc and a Jailer?
I'm no longer certain I believe Ghosting.
If you don't believe me, and you think Huntz is scum, then you think he is bussing me?
Do you also think it is more likely that you were the nightkill than Cantrip?
No Hunt is super scum the "I was acting scummy on purpose LUL LUL LUL XD" claim was pretty bonkers specifically when he claimed that and went immediately back to being scummy.
Plus you really going to say that we have a RB a Doc and a Jailer?
I'm no longer certain I believe Ghosting.
If you don't believe me, and you think Huntz is scum, then you think he is bussing me?
Do you also think it is more likely that you were the nightkill than Cantrip?
No... But that's a tricky rope to walk on. I'd say its like a 50/50.
We have a claimed Roleblocker who's claim if we look at in a vacuum makes sense sort of.
We have a Doctor who's claim makes sense in a vaccum.
We have a jailer Who I know is telling the truth (Might be outside chance of scum, but with our conversation I heavily doubt it).
Hunt's claim becomes a lot more dubious after you accept the jailer, and Anak's claim becomes a lot more dubious with the Jailer and the Doctor.
Rhand's point against the "Doc watcher combo is dumb though". Because that literally means that if there are 12 players in the game and four of them are scum then there are still 6 free kill targets. Doctors and watchers are dumb because of their ability to randomly catch people.
Rhand's push also is giving me hesitation, because it relies on Ghosting being truthful. I'm not certain on this.
The whole scum team is almost assuredly in the Rhand, Ghosting, Hunt, Anak, Scarbo block. With Oph being our outside chance at this point.
Oph's last comment "We will confirm Hunt" makes me roll my eyes because hunt's ability does not equate to town.
Doctor is basically Scum Falseclaim 101. The Doc is horribly inelegant with the Jailer, and the Jailer and Roleblocker and Doctor in the same game gives me bad vibes.
Ghosting is lock scum at this point and probably gambiting to get himself and Cantrip off the hook. Kill it with fire.
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I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
@Ghosting: Why would you want to be jailed when we have the potential to protect 2 targets?
Deadline: Jan. 24th 2100 EST. Nearing 24 hours. I was fairly busy today but I'll be around to watch more tomorrow after 1600.
scarbo will not be officially prodded because he claimed v/la for the weekend and it'll cover the necessary ground. I'll still ask him to contribute more before deadline.
We are lynching Anak or Ghosting toDay. I'm sure one of them is scum. If we lynch Ghosting and he flips town, then I'm positive that Anak is scum (town + watcher doesn't go. Trust me on this). That also means Shadow is the blocker scum because doc + jailer is over the top protection. And if we have one more scum, then look hard at Iso. He's really trying to go the other direction with the lynches.
If Ghosting is the scum from the Anak / Ghosting pairing, then Scarbo should be the blocker scum and the jailer our protection. Third scum in that case is probably Huntzilla.
Doctor is basically Scum Falseclaim 101. The Doc is horribly inelegant with the Jailer, and the Jailer and Roleblocker and Doctor in the same game gives me bad vibes.
Ghosting is lock scum at this point and probably gambiting to get himself and Cantrip off the hook. Kill it with fire.
So you think Cantrip is scum then as well?
Do you have doubts about the other claims as well, or just mine?
We are lynching Anak or Ghosting toDay. I'm sure one of them is scum. If we lynch Ghosting and he flips town, then I'm positive that Anak is scum (town + watcher doesn't go. Trust me on this). That also means Shadow is the blocker scum because doc + jailer is over the top protection. And if we have one more scum, then look hard at Iso. He's really trying to go the other direction with the lynches.
If Ghosting is the scum from the Anak / Ghosting pairing, then Scarbo should be the blocker scum and the jailer our protection. Third scum in that case is probably Huntzilla.
Rhand, previously you weren't on my wagon, and before my claim even you were shifting your view towards a townread. Upon my claim, why does that make you more suspicious, rather than less?
I agree with your Iso thought process, his rhetoric has been fairly abrasive as well, much more than I'd expect from town Iso.
Question for you Rhand, if you were scum and were trying to lynch today, how would you do so?
@Rhand: Pfftfft, yeah I'm going against the wagons I think are on TOWN. That makes me scum? Get real.
Go figure Ghosting is trying to paint me as scum for catching him. It's a day before deadline. No way would townGhosing have slowrolled his claim, here. He wants the Day to end on a town lynch.
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@Ghosting: I think it's entirely possible for Cantrip to be scum, here. Does you flipping scum confirm him as such? No, but it's a good springboard off of which to lynch him if need be when you DO flip scum.
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@Rhand: Pfftfft, yeah I'm going against the wagons I think are on TOWN. That makes me scum? Get real.
Go figure Ghosting is trying to paint me as scum for catching him. It's a day before deadline. No way would townGhosing have slowrolled his claim, here. He wants the Day to end on a town lynch.
I'm painting you as scum for your aggressiveness towards the doctor's wagon. There's no reason to not wait as long as possible to claim as doctor, especially if I can avoid it. In fact, many people suggested the doctor shouldn't claim, and I was even suggested as scum for mentioning the idea.
@Ghosting: I think it's entirely possible for Cantrip to be scum, here. Does you flipping scum confirm him as such? No, but it's a good springboard off of which to lynch him if need be when you DO flip scum.
The emphasis on the do really brings the point home, your eagerness to set up future dichotomies is certainly oozing town vibes.
DV is town. The jailer would be dead if he wasn't.
You're all good, he was indeed my target.
I think that if we want to assume town D_V, we have to assume scum Jailer, which means maybe we should just mass claim now? I was only against it to not out myself really lol, and with all the PRs that have been claimed, it might be good to get it out of the way to see if it affects the direction we move. At this point, I'm not sure who, if anyone, we would be saving from being outed.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm gonna go look at votes again.
Why didn't you instavote Scarbo when he claimed roleblocker? Did you really think a town team can have both a roleblocker AND a jailer? What about now that we have a doctor claim, too? Which of the three of you is scum?
I'm thinking that we need to lynch Shadow or Anak toDay, and mechanically, Shadow's the way to go. If time permits, I want to review interactions of those two with Zomg.
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Of those that remain, I believe only myself, Rhand, Iso, and Meteor have not claimed (well, DV hasn't fullclaimed). I'm thinking that we may still have a surprise or two for the scum, so I'm more in favor of finishing the claim toMorrow, but I will go along with a massclaim if that's the concensus.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Huntzilla is still the preferred lynch target for me. Anak has not yet posted anything from their chat, and considering that mafia have nightchat, the paraphrase may not even be from a neighborizer.
What's more, hunt is just opportunistic in his way of speech, and the way Anak focuses entirely on clearing him makes me really suspicious of the two.
Unvote Vote Huntzilla.
Oh, right.
@Hunt and Anak: We need clarification, like ASAP. Did Hunt's neighbor chat start during N1 or at the start of D2?
Quite frankly I don't know what the town could and couldn't have, I've played in exactly 2 other completed games close to this size, one was a specialty with no vanilla roles, and one was an open setup basic. My role doesn't really interact with Scarbo's though, as my target is chosen durning the day, which is part of why I thought maybe we could both be town (why would scum have a roleblocker that didn't actually work?) but with the sheer amount of PRs, he makes more sense as scum.
I do think it is foolish to believe that scarbo, ghosting, and I are all town, on top of the other PR claims, and mechanically I realize that I'm the best lynch on paper, however, the public nature of my role makes me wonder if that's a balance point?
A good part of me believes Ghosting is lying through his teeth just to destroy this day even more, but I'm going to read him again with his claim in mind.
I can confirm that I said that, however it's not actually true (something I hinted at in post # 825) and I planned to claim to my jail target tonight.
Basically, before DV guessed who I was, he said (paraphrasing) "I assume you've got a kill too right?" To which I said yes, because I thought it might make him behave more organically. I forgot I'd said it after we'd been talking for a couple days, otherwise I would have come clean before the day started.
We have a dichotomy. There's no way the watcher + doc combo passed review.
vote Anak
If Anak is scum, then Hunt is town if he proves he can neighbor again with the same chat.
If Anak is town, then Ghosting is scum, which makes Shadow and D_V town.
One of Scarbo and Shadow is scum. With all the power, scum must have a way of roleblocking, and I don't think we have 2 roleblockers in town AND one on the scumteam. Since both claimed, the Night will make things easy. If any of them blocks an important PR that already claimed, we can insta-lynch them. And since Shadow creates a chat, it's easy for us to know which one blocked who.
Anyways, I believe Ghosting because Cantrip makes way more sense than D_V as NK, so we should lymnch Anak.
All aboard!
Well, good job Ghosting! Apologies for the terrible read.
I target at night for the person to join, and they join the next day.
If Anak flips town: Ghosting + Scarbo + ?
Um...did we know the bolded?
No, there isn't a lot of motivation for scum scarbo to claim, save for not looking really suspect if/when he needed to claim down the line.
What do you mean? DV asked if I had a kill in addition to jailing and chat, none of that is hidden info anymore.
On the other hand, Scarbo looks suspicious as hell, but thats actually the reason why he might be town. Why would he put a target on himself?
@Shadow - Why did you encourage D_V to fake another name?
@Brinatoo - Can you prod Scarbo?
@Scarbo - Thoughts on the recent developments?
I'm thinking we should let the Scarbo and Shadow situation deal with itself at night, and go for Anak/Hunt.
@Rhand/Cantrip - Now that we know the chat started Day 2, why shouldn't we lynch Hunt?
I responded with basically: Oh My Gosh yes! That would be hilarious!
So with Scarbo's claim timing, do you think he's more likely town or scum? And if you still suspect Ghosting, you still think DV was the more likely NK over me?
We can. I said the lynch should be between those two; I'm trying to sort him and Shadow out.
Sure scum might know this plan, but what can they do? If they try to kill someone that isn't me, Shadow is still jailing me so he'll be confirmed jailer, and Anak would be watching me so he'll still see Shadow visit me. If anyone gets roleblocked in the plan, we know Scarbo is scum because he'd be disrupting the plan, or that scum also have a roleblocker I guess? Not sure what I'm missing or if that covers any potential mishaps.
This may be a better plan in my head than in reality, but I'm just trying to think how we'll go about confirming alignments and roles tonight in the best possible way.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I want Scarbo jailed.
I'll deal with the only other outlier which is Anak.
Unvote
Basically vote Hunt but not till we talk some more.
I'm not really convinced Shadow is town, so I can assure you I'm probably not protecting him lol.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
@Cantrip: Doc and watcher can't be on town together. That will never pass review. the doc protects watcher, watcher watches doc combo is waaaaay too strong.
I guess anak is the target for today.
Unvote Vote Anak
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Plus you really going to say that we have a RB a Doc and a Jailer?
I'm no longer certain I believe Ghosting.
If you don't believe me, and you think Huntz is scum, then you think he is bussing me?
Do you also think it is more likely that you were the nightkill than Cantrip?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
No... But that's a tricky rope to walk on. I'd say its like a 50/50.
We have a claimed Roleblocker who's claim if we look at in a vacuum makes sense sort of.
We have a Doctor who's claim makes sense in a vaccum.
We have a jailer Who I know is telling the truth (Might be outside chance of scum, but with our conversation I heavily doubt it).
Hunt's claim becomes a lot more dubious after you accept the jailer, and Anak's claim becomes a lot more dubious with the Jailer and the Doctor.
Rhand's point against the "Doc watcher combo is dumb though". Because that literally means that if there are 12 players in the game and four of them are scum then there are still 6 free kill targets. Doctors and watchers are dumb because of their ability to randomly catch people.
Rhand's push also is giving me hesitation, because it relies on Ghosting being truthful. I'm not certain on this.
The whole scum team is almost assuredly in the Rhand, Ghosting, Hunt, Anak, Scarbo block. With Oph being our outside chance at this point.
Oph's last comment "We will confirm Hunt" makes me roll my eyes because hunt's ability does not equate to town.
Scarbo is the best jail target tonight and I would kill him too.
Shadow will probabally die tonight if Ghosting doesn't doc him.
Tomorrow we should look at Anak, if that doesn't lead to any fruit then I would look at Ghosting and Oph and then Iso as the last one.
Overall since I feel confident that we are lynching scum today I think the town is in an excellent spot going forward.
Ghosting is lock scum at this point and probably gambiting to get himself and Cantrip off the hook. Kill it with fire.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Doctor
Jailer with a kill
Roleblocker
Neighborizer
Watcher
and anything else I might be forgetting.
That's pretty stacked. No ******* way is Ghosting doing anything but falseclaiming, here.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@DV: I don't have a kill, I forgot I'd even said so until you brought it up today:
@Ghosting: Why would you want to be jailed when we have the potential to protect 2 targets?
Vaimes(1): scarbo
Ghosting(2): Anaklusmos, Iso
Huntzilla(2): Vaimes, Mete0rShower
Anaklusmos(2): Rhand, Ophidia
Deadline: Jan. 24th 2100 EST. Nearing 24 hours. I was fairly busy today but I'll be around to watch more tomorrow after 1600.
scarbo will not be officially prodded because he claimed v/la for the weekend and it'll cover the necessary ground. I'll still ask him to contribute more before deadline.
If Ghosting is the scum from the Anak / Ghosting pairing, then Scarbo should be the blocker scum and the jailer our protection. Third scum in that case is probably Huntzilla.
Why is Scarbo the best jail target? Genuinely curious.
Shadow already confirmed he doesn't have a kill. Does that change your perception at all?
So you think Cantrip is scum then as well?
Do you have doubts about the other claims as well, or just mine?
I'm fine with whatever plan is made, I was just offering one possibility as I figured I'd be the most likely kill tonight as doctor.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Rhand, previously you weren't on my wagon, and before my claim even you were shifting your view towards a townread. Upon my claim, why does that make you more suspicious, rather than less?
I agree with your Iso thought process, his rhetoric has been fairly abrasive as well, much more than I'd expect from town Iso.
Question for you Rhand, if you were scum and were trying to lynch today, how would you do so?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Go figure Ghosting is trying to paint me as scum for catching him. It's a day before deadline. No way would townGhosing have slowrolled his claim, here. He wants the Day to end on a town lynch.
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@Ghosting: I think it's entirely possible for Cantrip to be scum, here. Does you flipping scum confirm him as such? No, but it's a good springboard off of which to lynch him if need be when you DO flip scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm painting you as scum for your aggressiveness towards the doctor's wagon. There's no reason to not wait as long as possible to claim as doctor, especially if I can avoid it. In fact, many people suggested the doctor shouldn't claim, and I was even suggested as scum for mentioning the idea.
The emphasis on the do really brings the point home, your eagerness to set up future dichotomies is certainly oozing town vibes.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Ghosting you were told you stopped the NK? Cantrip, were you given any indication that anything had happened to you?
At this time I am still fine with lynching Ghosting, faking Doc is easy unless Cantrip can confirm what he is saying