Like, zomg is probably scum, but i don't think he is lying about the name.. which means d_v is?
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
I didn't vote zomg because I wasn't sure how close he was to being lynched
While I mostly agree with this sentiment, I strongly dislike the way you went about expressing it, both in that it's a poor appeal to intelligence, and because it's mean.
So what im supposed to lay down and take one for the team because my flip gives the most info at this point? Doesnt mean the mislynch doesnt put us that much closer to loosing.
Explain this, Explain your constant hopping from wagon to wagon, explain your multiple promises for content that we still have not seen.
And if you get this mislynch off, explain why you are not Angela
What constant wagon jumps?
Are you even in the same game as me?
I have produced content. You are proof of this. Besides I'm lazy I'm a neutral. You and your buddy vaimes know this to be true that is why you both keep attacking me for it. It really is your only attack against me.
I challenge you to point to where you've provided content. And there's no way that you get to take credit for starting Zomg's wagon (I'm assuming you mean your 295?). Rodemy started the voteball rolling in 355with an actual reason, and he posted that while I was compiling the list in 356 of Zomg's lack of content. You don't get to toss out names, one-line label them scum, then bask in glory for your "content" if they flip scum.
@Rhand/Rodemy: I actually have a theory about why scum!Zomg might claim the wrong name, but I'm not willing to talk about it until much later in the game if it becomes relevant.
@Zomg: if I'm reading your "possible pairings" for scum!DV correctly, you listed every single player in the game as possible buddies with him. That's basically categorically unhelpful, and reads like anti spew desperation.
This implies something along the lines of "i know there will be more than one NK"
What vig doesnt shoot me or dv depending on who gets lynched? Or maybe i know stuff u dont. Keep me around a lil longer lets lynch this fake angela
If I wasn't already voting you, I would vote you for this line alone. Because one of you is telling the truth, but your phrasing here doesn't mesh with that, which means you know you're lying.
This one is scum too. He asked me a question that I ignored. He doesn't care for his own questions.
I have a really hard time townreading you when you act this deceptive.
When did I post the question I asked you? ~18 hours ago.
Did I post after that? Yes, ~17 hours ago, and that was it.
So between 18 and 17 hours, I'm expected to make sure you answer my question? Even though you have expanded on your views since then, and even though I haven't been online since then, you intentionally present information and say it's scummy? Tell me how that comes from town.
But the thing is im not desperate to lynch him? Im desperate for yall not to lynch me until we get everyone in game, yeah, because i wanna be able to give my .02 on things before yall dont have my voice.
Shouldn't you be desperate to lynch him, if you're telling the truth?
But the thing is im not desperate to lynch him? Im desperate for yall not to lynch me until we get everyone in game, yeah, because i wanna be able to give my .02 on things before yall dont have my voice.
Shouldn't you be desperate to lynch him, if you're telling the truth?
Id prefer he was the lynch but its d1 the game is nowhere near lost so if i go i go
Right, but my point is that if you genuinely believe him to be lying, then you know he's scum, correct? So if that is the case, you should be more concerned with pushing for his lynch than anything else right now. If you're town, you win when town wins, so why wouldn't that be your primary goal? Maybe I'm not following correctly, but it certainly seems that way.
@Zomg: I don't believe that for a second, you have spent basically no time actually looking at who a partner for scum!DV is, save for the one post you made saying "lol it's everyone!!"
Honestly, your mentality right now betrays you almost as much as the counterclaim, if you knew that you as town had traded your life for one of the scum, straight up, then you would be proud of that. Instead you're fear mongering "oh no, he must be a scum vig, now he kills three townies at the cost of himself, boo hoo."
Like how does that even make sense in your head? DV wasn't getting lynched today, he had no need to fake counter claim you just to make sure he could use whatever ability he has. So no, this isn't "3 townies for 1 scum", this is you getting caught.
But im in no hurry unlike everyone else, id like to narrow down who his buddy is and go from there. Id rather catch 2 scum than 1
I'm not sure everyone else is in a hurry; multiple people have said they would be voting you but aren't in order to continue the discussion.
Clearly we want to catch more scum than less, but if you know D_V is scum (which if you are telling the truth, you would), how is attempting to find other people more beneficial than doing your best to get someone you know is scum lynched? You would not only save yourself, but we'd have a scum lynched. And would you not agree that the wagon would provide more information than scum hunting around for a buddy before we've even lynched D_V? Why do you think that's ideal?
Do you not find it interesting?
He not only intentionally ignored my question in hopes of me not following up to try to push my lynch (which is incredibly scummy), but also completely misrepresented the truth in order to make me appear scummy by saying I don't care about the questions I ask when I wasn't even online to follow up if I did decide to, and he had already explained his views, so I wouldn't need to follow up. Like that's blatant, undeniably scummy behaviour.
Okay guys here are the different teams I could see DV on, (In order of likelihood)
1) DV Teams based off of him claiming neutral due to Trigger Happy/Janken
DV/Hunt
DV/Shadow
DV/Vaimes
These 3 above are the only players Im aware of that were in both games
DV/Scarbo
DV/Ghosting
These 2 above were only in TH
DV/Rodemy
DV/Ophi
These 2 above were only in Janken
2) DV Teams based solely on Overwatch Bussing
DV/Atog- #58 DV Calls Atog Obv scum for his post #113 he digs in deeper
DV/Anak- #201 supports Red/Anak
DV/Ghosting- #237 Calls ghosting “so scum”
DV/Shadow- #266 Says Shadow isn’t town, but doesn’t call him scum either
3) DV Teams based solely on Overwatch distancing
DV/Vaimes- This is the whole thread lol
4) DV Teams based on fake pocketing
DV/Rhand- #58 DV supports Rhand
DV/Rodemy-#483 and a rvs post IIRC
5) DV Teams based on not interacting
DV/Hunt
DV/Kitty
DV/Ophi
DV/Scarbo
DV/Cantrip
Section 1 is all tinfoil and should probably be ignored until late game if you need it. Sections 2-4 are scum teams based on different interactions. Section 5 are people DV has not even acknowledged in this game. If you believe his slip about 4 scum I would say that you would probably find some of them in Sections 2-4 and atleast one in Section 5.
Other Reasons to vote DV
#201- promised content
#237- Switches Wagon, more promised content
#272- Asked for reasons why ghosting is scum, refused to give reasons or content
#279- Trolling vaimes for no reason
#280- Proposed name claim
#295- Claimed neutral then scum read me for agreeing with his Atog stance earlier in the game
#358- Voted Me
#364- Said Neutral claim was serious
#366- Claims he gave up a scum, and “Has his reasons”
#370- Slipped and said 4 Scum in game That’s an awful big team….
#371- Realizes his slip and tries to backpedal
#443- Did ghosting post this to scarbo or something?
#460- Counter-Name-Claims me
#479- tries to Flavour game my claim to lynch me
#483- covers up flavor gaming by giving “town points”
#543- Getting desperate for the lynch now that im defending myself, knows that he isn’t Angela and is trying to make it to night for whatever reason.
I just cant get over that 4 scum slip, plus to boot I doubt we have 4/14 scum in a typical setup. There are some setups that would accommodate 4 scum but they definitely would not include a neutral, plus Brin made it pretty clear that there are no neutrals in the game.
Vote D_V
The fact it took this long to vote the guy Ccing you is the most damning evidence you are scum. If somehow you were town you would have snap voted DV when he started the CC
@Ghosting: you asked me a question.
I post without answering.
You post again, not wondering why I didn't answer your question.
It doesn't matter how much time there is between that. You don't care for your questions.
@Zomg: are you claiming SK now?
That means that DV should fullclaim now.
Looking to see if Iso wants to replace into kitty's slot since he was going to mentor her. That will be an easier way to seek a quick replacement. Meteorshower will replace her if not and atog if so. Standby
I've also pretty much tuned Zomg's posts out since it's obvious he's spewing scum static. I'll believe we're in a 2-scumteam setup when I see mod-confirmed evidence of such.
Let's get Iso (woot!) and Meteor in here, let them post if they're so inclined, then end the Day. No matter what, we're ahead of the game.
So...I'm confused, is it standard that in a two scum team setup, each team would know who was on the other team? If that's really what's happening, that seems odd to me.
@Ghosting: you asked me a question.
I post without answering.
You post again, not wondering why I didn't answer your question.
It doesn't matter how much time there is between that. You don't care for your questions.
@Zomg: are you claiming SK now?
That means that DV should fullclaim now.
So you go on again to misrepresent the truth.
It does matter how much time is between the two posts, because it was such a ridiculously small amount of time (less than an hour), and I went offline after that. Meaning even if I wanted to follow up, I wasn't online to do so. I asked you a question, made another quick one sentence post before I went to bed after seeing something someone said, then went to bed and slept. The fact you're trying to act like I'm here not caring about anything I ask is stupid, especially when there are multiple instances of me asking people questions, getting their answer, and then continuing to ask more questions to press and get more information.
You are creating a false view of reality in order to try to get me lynched, and that's far from town behavior. What you have done is blatantly scummy, and as it stands right now, I absolutely will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. Your play here reminds me a lot of a game I was in with Megiddo, where he was scum trying to get me mislynched.
More on this tomorrow of course.
Is anyone against ending the day? Is there more to say? I have no problem waiting for Iso, but if he has to reread the game it might be nice to give him the night to do so.
It's not the first time I catch you doing this Ghosting. There was also that question to Vaimes about Rodemy/me. Afterwards you didn't even remember what you asked Vaimes: you thought it was about Rodemy/Ophidia.
It's not the first time I catch you doing this Ghosting. There was also that question to Vaimes about Rodemy/me. Afterwards you didn't even remember what you asked Vaimes: you thought it was about Rodemy/Ophidia.
No, the entire time I had intended to ask about Rodemy/Ophidia, and every post around that made by me and others was about Rodemy/Ophidia. The entire game was talking about those two players at that time. And that isn't an example of not caring about my questions considering I went on to give reads of those players before and after, as well as asked them more questions and have a comfortable view of them as a result.
You are attempting to combine that weak point, with a point even weaker, claiming that me going to bed and not following up to you answering my question even though I wasn't online makes me scum. You must know the point you just made is weak, like my post #621 explains that pretty well, and Ophidia agreed that what you did was worthy of suspicion.
Do you feel that I haven't been scumhunting? Your claim is "I don't care about my questions".
So are you also including all the times I have cared, and have quoted, or pressed further?
Like...
Post #589 (checking a player's views since they asked another player's view without including their own)
Post #587 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #583 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #576 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #487 (multiple questions to multiple players, as well as asking D_V and Shadow to answer statements they made that are contradictory or need to be addressed)
Post #459 (asking a player to answer another player's question)
~v/la for a bit~
Post #313 (question to Ophidia about his actions)
Post #314 (follow up question to Ophidia) Post #241 ("@Rodemy: Why'd you ignore my question") -- But I guess I don't care about the questions I ask. Lol.
On December 27th you said you are scumreading: me, Hunt, D_V, zomg, red, scarbo, and Atog.
So of the 13 players who have posted, you think more than half of them could be scum? And the half you chose are the generally agreed upon more scummy half.
It's not the first time I catch you doing this Ghosting. There was also that question to Vaimes about Rodemy/me. Afterwards you didn't even remember what you asked Vaimes: you thought it was about Rodemy/Ophidia.
No, the entire time I had intended to ask about Rodemy/Ophidia, and every post around that made by me and others was about Rodemy/Ophidia. The entire game was talking about those two players at that time. And that isn't an example of not caring about my questions considering I went on to give reads of those players before and after, as well as asked them more questions and have a comfortable view of them as a result.
You are attempting to combine that weak point, with a point even weaker, claiming that me going to bed and not following up to you answering my question even though I wasn't online makes me scum. You must know the point you just made is weak, like my post #621 explains that pretty well, and Ophidia agreed that what you did was worthy of suspicion.
I didn't vote zomg because I wasn't sure how close he was to being lynched
It is very possible yes.
I challenge you to point to where you've provided content. And there's no way that you get to take credit for starting Zomg's wagon (I'm assuming you mean your 295?). Rodemy started the voteball rolling in 355 with an actual reason, and he posted that while I was compiling the list in 356 of Zomg's lack of content. You don't get to toss out names, one-line label them scum, then bask in glory for your "content" if they flip scum.
Zomg is the lynch for the Day; let's wait until his flip to continue passing around the WIFOM bottle, eh?
I put it out there in case i am the NK.
I will read the game very soon.
Zomg i keep wondering why you say things.
This implies something along the lines of "i know there will be more than one NK"
If I wasn't already voting you, I would vote you for this line alone. Because one of you is telling the truth, but your phrasing here doesn't mesh with that, which means you know you're lying.
I have a really hard time townreading you when you act this deceptive.
When did I post the question I asked you? ~18 hours ago.
Did I post after that? Yes, ~17 hours ago, and that was it.
So between 18 and 17 hours, I'm expected to make sure you answer my question? Even though you have expanded on your views since then, and even though I haven't been online since then, you intentionally present information and say it's scummy? Tell me how that comes from town.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
"Keep me around a lil longer lets lynch this fake angela"
You don't even sound like you're trying. :/
I don't mean it rudely, but at this point it just appears like lazy desperation (if that makes sense).
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Shouldn't you be desperate to lynch him, if you're telling the truth?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Yes, because he is scum.
But that's the point.
You are more concerned with living then with lynching me. You have "Caught scum" from your prospective yet you are not pushing me.
That's the problem.
Right, but my point is that if you genuinely believe him to be lying, then you know he's scum, correct? So if that is the case, you should be more concerned with pushing for his lynch than anything else right now. If you're town, you win when town wins, so why wouldn't that be your primary goal? Maybe I'm not following correctly, but it certainly seems that way.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Honestly, your mentality right now betrays you almost as much as the counterclaim, if you knew that you as town had traded your life for one of the scum, straight up, then you would be proud of that. Instead you're fear mongering "oh no, he must be a scum vig, now he kills three townies at the cost of himself, boo hoo."
Like how does that even make sense in your head? DV wasn't getting lynched today, he had no need to fake counter claim you just to make sure he could use whatever ability he has. So no, this isn't "3 townies for 1 scum", this is you getting caught.
I'm not sure everyone else is in a hurry; multiple people have said they would be voting you but aren't in order to continue the discussion.
Clearly we want to catch more scum than less, but if you know D_V is scum (which if you are telling the truth, you would), how is attempting to find other people more beneficial than doing your best to get someone you know is scum lynched? You would not only save yourself, but we'd have a scum lynched. And would you not agree that the wagon would provide more information than scum hunting around for a buddy before we've even lynched D_V? Why do you think that's ideal?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Do you not find it interesting?
He not only intentionally ignored my question in hopes of me not following up to try to push my lynch (which is incredibly scummy), but also completely misrepresented the truth in order to make me appear scummy by saying I don't care about the questions I ask when I wasn't even online to follow up if I did decide to, and he had already explained his views, so I wouldn't need to follow up. Like that's blatant, undeniably scummy behaviour.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
1/10, you got me to respond.
????
What do you consider to be content?
The last part outweighs everything else if zomg flips scum, but before then I know I was poking at you to Do Things.
DV thinks I'm with you, and now you think I'm with DV.
Aren't I popular.
Someone kill zomg please.
The fact it took this long to vote the guy Ccing you is the most damning evidence you are scum. If somehow you were town you would have snap voted DV when he started the CC
That's low and you know it.
I am on vacation. I have time here and there. Just in case i don't post because, ya know.. vacation...
Good night.
Day can end now.
I post without answering.
You post again, not wondering why I didn't answer your question.
It doesn't matter how much time there is between that. You don't care for your questions.
@Zomg: are you claiming SK now?
That means that DV should fullclaim now.
Rodemy(1): Atogaholic
zomgarcwind(7): Rodemy, Rhand, D_V, Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx, Vaimes, zomgarcwind (L-1)
Looking to see if Iso wants to replace into kitty's slot since he was going to mentor her. That will be an easier way to seek a quick replacement. Meteorshower will replace her if not and atog if so. Standby
So.
A multiball game.
That's both annoying and exciting.
I've also pretty much tuned Zomg's posts out since it's obvious he's spewing scum static. I'll believe we're in a 2-scumteam setup when I see mod-confirmed evidence of such.
Let's get Iso (woot!) and Meteor in here, let them post if they're so inclined, then end the Day. No matter what, we're ahead of the game.
A. I don't believe you, or basically anything you say
B. There is absolutely no chance that you claim scum and we don't lynch you. Just...no.
objection.jpg
So you go on again to misrepresent the truth.
It does matter how much time is between the two posts, because it was such a ridiculously small amount of time (less than an hour), and I went offline after that. Meaning even if I wanted to follow up, I wasn't online to do so. I asked you a question, made another quick one sentence post before I went to bed after seeing something someone said, then went to bed and slept. The fact you're trying to act like I'm here not caring about anything I ask is stupid, especially when there are multiple instances of me asking people questions, getting their answer, and then continuing to ask more questions to press and get more information.
You are creating a false view of reality in order to try to get me lynched, and that's far from town behavior. What you have done is blatantly scummy, and as it stands right now, I absolutely will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. Your play here reminds me a lot of a game I was in with Megiddo, where he was scum trying to get me mislynched.
More on this tomorrow of course.
Is anyone against ending the day? Is there more to say? I have no problem waiting for Iso, but if he has to reread the game it might be nice to give him the night to do so.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
No, the entire time I had intended to ask about Rodemy/Ophidia, and every post around that made by me and others was about Rodemy/Ophidia. The entire game was talking about those two players at that time. And that isn't an example of not caring about my questions considering I went on to give reads of those players before and after, as well as asked them more questions and have a comfortable view of them as a result.
You are attempting to combine that weak point, with a point even weaker, claiming that me going to bed and not following up to you answering my question even though I wasn't online makes me scum. You must know the point you just made is weak, like my post #621 explains that pretty well, and Ophidia agreed that what you did was worthy of suspicion.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
So are you also including all the times I have cared, and have quoted, or pressed further?
Like...
Post #589 (checking a player's views since they asked another player's view without including their own)
Post #587 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #583 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #576 (more questions to zomg pressing after previously asking him questions)
Post #487 (multiple questions to multiple players, as well as asking D_V and Shadow to answer statements they made that are contradictory or need to be addressed)
Post #459 (asking a player to answer another player's question)
~v/la for a bit~
Post #313 (question to Ophidia about his actions)
Post #314 (follow up question to Ophidia)
Post #241 ("@Rodemy: Why'd you ignore my question") -- But I guess I don't care about the questions I ask. Lol.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
On December 27th you said you are scumreading: me, Hunt, D_V, zomg, red, scarbo, and Atog.
So of the 13 players who have posted, you think more than half of them could be scum? And the half you chose are the generally agreed upon more scummy half.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
The red is a blatant lie.