Rodemy, what would DV have to gain by counter claiming here though? There is no way that he doesn't get lynched tomorrow if he was lying. It wasn't like a calculated move either, DV's very next post was countering zomg. When he countered me in unreliable cops as scum, he waited a few posts to do so.
Rodemy, what would DV have to gain by counter claiming here though? There is no way that he doesn't get lynched tomorrow if he was lying. It wasn't like a calculated move either, DV's very next post was countering zomg. When he countered me in unreliable cops as scum, he waited a few posts to do so.
That was very unuseful information. I've played with d_v ages ago so i am not going off of "meta"
I am all for zomg's lynch,
i just find it funny that scum!zomg went through all that effort to fake claim when he could have read the rules and just claimed his name.
But if he is town, well, D_v is ****ed. But so many people are siding with him now, that if he does turn out to be scum... so much wine for scum to play with.
Maybe d_v and zomg are scum together.
If that happens we lynch shadow, for that god awful meta read.
Anywho. Bed time. Those are my thoughts.
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There's no way your role co-exists with a cop. Why did you say that you would be copped next Night?
And you asked to be protected by a doc. Why would you want to grab the doc protection if your role can make you die anyways?
I don't believe this role is a role. Why would you be a town tracker if the scum dies anyways when you guess correctly? That makes no sense at all.
I think you're a scum tracker.
There's no way your role co-exists with a cop. Why did you say that you would be copped next Night?
And you asked to be protected by a doc. Why would you want to grab the doc protection if your role can make you die anyways?
I don't believe this role is a role. Why would you be a town tracker if the scum dies anyways when you guess correctly? That makes no sense at all.
I think you're a scum tracker.
Id have to hit a scum using a night action, hitting scum doing nothing nets me no kill or info
O.o
So...hypothetically, if scum is using a night action, you kill them, making it so you don't need to track them, and if they aren't using an ability, you track them...going no where? Are you even reading this as you make it up?
Like your role is a weird amalgamation of Tracker, Watcher, Vig, and. I dunno, Hider?
I was gonna say leave him alone and if he's still alive on D2 or there's no extra kill, then lynch him, but he's probably just gonna claim to be RB'd.
Regardless, DV counterclaimed him, so in a vacuum, not lynching one of them is a bad idea, and with the circumstances considered, there is no reason to let zomg live over DV at this point.
I'm tempted to put him at L-1. Scumhammer at this point wouldn't be a huge deal.
I'm not holding my breath for the lurkers to suddenly have something to say, and waiting around for another ten days for them to do something sounds awful. I'd rather they just get replaced overNight.
I'm not holding my breath for the lurkers to suddenly have something to say, and waiting around for another ten days for them to do something sounds awful. I'd rather they just get replaced overNight.
Mostly /barn, but I'd rather they had a chance to post than that Brin had to replace them. And if they're going to be replaced, I'd rather that happened before Night so that they have a chance to catch up before any Night deadlines occur.
@Mod: How long do Kitty and Atog have to respond before you'll replace them?
I don't know that I've seen any anecdotal evidence for this, but in general, I would think that a standard scum mindset would avoid answering questions for a buddy, both to avoid the association with the buddy/looking like they're defending, and to up the interactions of their buddy with other players. This would be somewhat more likely from experienced scum, but I would think it would be true even from newer scum.
Kitty will be replaced tomorrow if she fails to post by then, luckily we have one ready to hop in. Atog seems to have popped online briefly, I think Proph knows him/her irl so I'll send a PM to him to ask for assistance in what's the situation. If they also fail to show up in time and I don't receive feedback before a replacement is found, then obviously a replacement will happen but I'll have to request in the replacement threads.
I missed Vaimes vote on a previous votecount cuz it was in blue, it has been fixed.
Like, zomg is probably scum, but i don't think he is lying about the name.. which means d_v is?
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
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Like, zomg is probably scum, but i don't think he is lying about the name.. which means d_v is?
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
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How does your ability in any way imply that DV is lying about his alignment?
Because im not your average tracker, i have absolutely no clue how my role got out of review. My ability tracks whoever i target, if they are town and they get targeted I die (This is ANY ability not just kills per brin), if they are Scum and they target someone, I kill them (This is also ANY ability and not just kills per brin)
I asked him before the game started what happened if i hit a neutral and his response was I had all the information needed for my role. To me that means that there are no neutrals in this game, otherwise brin should have told me "Nothing Happens" or "A Happens" or "B Happens" or w/e.
Like, zomg is probably scum, but i don't think he is lying about the name.. which means d_v is?
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
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Everything fits except me being scum, dont u find my wagon convenient? Due to lack of posting theres no real counterwagon, isnt that odd?
So scum d_v would have to have a night pr (probably vigshot) and a cc would gauruntee he lives toNight to use it. That would be 3 town kills....
Concidering he claimed nuet, i can see this.
Anyone else wanna foil this with me? Concidering d_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch?
I get that zomgs role is odd, but i can see that role with a scum vig.
Town!zomg targets me
Scum!D_v tries to vig me.
Town!zomg dies
Town_zomg targets scum!d_v
Scum!d_v tries to vig me
Scum!d_v dies.
Except by targeting them (and falling under the ANY ability clause) if you target town you die.. if you target scum they die.
Ugh my brain hurts...
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Everything fits except me being scum, dont u find my wagon convenient? Due to lack of posting theres no real counterwagon, isnt that odd?
Not really, and I actually don't think scum would create counterwagons at this point, it'd put them in a pretty bad spot tomorrow if you are indeed scum. The excuse just comes across as you grasping at straws.
@Anak: I can't really hold you accountable for anything Omega did, so a lot of the questions I had pending are invalidated, but I would like to ask:
1. If you were playing this game as not a replacement for Omega, what would you have thought about Omega's #40?
2. Where does Hunt fall on your T/S list?
1. I think it's an understandable reaction to Oph's claim off the cuff, that was made poorly due to quick mobile posting. I would have probed for more specifics as a straight barn is lazy, but bring on mobile explains the awkwardness somewhat.
2. I actually had forgotten about Hunt, which I don't like. Slight scumread for hiding in the shadows, but that's a plague in this game so I kind of hate that read
Why would there be a counterwagon at all currently? If you are town scum are happy with a mislynch, and if you are scum they wouldn't tie themselves to your ship at this point. Why would you expect to see a counterwagon?
Also zomg I can't wrap my head around what your claim is meant to do. It's so swingy I can't imagine it existing, either you target scum and create massive advantages or target town and nuke yourself. I'm trying to come at it with a fresh mind, but I just don't see it
Copped n1 returns guilty (he'd get copped because he claimed nuet, he is screwed.)
So why claim nuet? Maybe the idea of a cop didn't cross his mind? Might as well go out with his vig shot in tact..
That way he gets 3 town deaths before his one
Scum!d_v could cc scum_zomg and coast to victory. Concidering rhand mentioned that happened to him once, that could be a thing.
I just.. why.
Why the hell would zomg fakeclaim.
Actually, why the hell would zomg fakeclaim on a "no flavor gaming" game. And are there really any overwatch characters that are "bad"? Am i the only one who thinks this is odd? D_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch. Guhhh.
Does anyone believe zomg is that dumb?
D_v is the claimed nuetral. And suddenly we are lynching zomg because he claimed.. the nuetrals name.
**** i am drinking wine, aren't i?
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Copped n1 returns guilty (he'd get copped because he claimed nuet, he is screwed.)
So why claim nuet? Maybe the idea of a cop didn't cross his mind? Might as well go out with his vig shot in tact..
That way he gets 3 town deaths before his one
Scum!d_v could cc scum_zomg and coast to victory. Concidering rhand mentioned that happened to him once, that could be a thing.
I just.. why.
Why the hell would zomg fakeclaim.
Actually, why the hell would zomg fakeclaim on a "no flavor gaming" game. And are there really any overwatch characters that are "bad"? Am i the only one who thinks this is odd? D_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch. Guhhh.
Does anyone believe zomg is that dumb?
D_v is the claimed nuetral. And suddenly we are lynching zomg because he claimed.. the nuetrals name.
Copped n1 returns guilty (he'd get copped because he claimed nuet, he is screwed.)
So why claim nuet? Maybe the idea of a cop didn't cross his mind? Might as well go out with his vig shot in tact..
That way he gets 3 town deaths before his one
Scum!d_v could cc scum_zomg and coast to victory. Concidering rhand mentioned that happened to him once, that could be a thing.
I just.. why.
Why the hell would zomg fakeclaim.
Actually, why the hell would zomg fakeclaim on a "no flavor gaming" game. And are there really any overwatch characters that are "bad"? Am i the only one who thinks this is odd? D_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch. Guhhh.
Does anyone believe zomg is that dumb?
D_v is the claimed nuetral. And suddenly we are lynching zomg because he claimed.. the nuetrals name.
**** i am drinking wine, aren't i?
Why would I counter claim him?
What do I gain?
He's scum he ****ed up.
End him.
You cc your own role... like rhand said.
You call for a nameclaim, zomg throws out your name. Takes the hit for you to coast to endgame.
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#370- Slipped and said 4 Scum in game That’s an awful big team….
????
How is that a slip?
Oh no.
I 100% tried to flavor game you. I was saying on top of the fake name you weren't even claiming a good role. But someone who was paying attention pointed out that was wrong.
So what im supposed to lay down and take one for the team because my flip gives the most info at this point? Doesnt mean the mislynch doesnt put us that much closer to loosing.
Explain this, Explain your constant hopping from wagon to wagon, explain your multiple promises for content that we still have not seen.
And if you get this mislynch off, explain why you are not Angela
What constant wagon jumps?
Are you even in the same game as me?
I have produced content. You are proof of this. Besides I'm lazy I'm a neutral. You and your buddy vaimes know this to be true that is why you both keep attacking me for it. It really is your only attack against me.
Is it just me or did zomg just upgrade his role from dieing when town is targetted to bodyguarding them?
Or u misread the first time?
You said that you die if you target town that gets targetted.
You didn't say that that town would then be saved from a kill. You didn't even mention a kill. It was merely about the town getting targetted and you dieing.
Everything fits except me being scum, dont u find my wagon convenient? Due to lack of posting theres no real counterwagon, isnt that odd?
Not really, and I actually don't think scum would create counterwagons at this point, it'd put them in a pretty bad spot tomorrow if you are indeed scum. The excuse just comes across as you grasping at straws.
This one is scum too. He asked me a question that I ignored. He doesn't care for his own questions.
Oh someone asked me about that game where I counter-name-claimed my buddy. It was this one: Winterfell
There's no one else in this game that played in Winterfell.
What happened is that I replaced into a scum slot and saw that my buddy Arianrhod had claimed my rolename. I counterclaimed him for towncred and that got me the win in the end.
The reason Arianrhod claimed my rolename is that my name (Catelyn Stark) made a lot more sense for the role he was going to claim than his own name (Rickon Stark).
So what im supposed to lay down and take one for the team because my flip gives the most info at this point? Doesnt mean the mislynch doesnt put us that much closer to loosing.
Explain this, Explain your constant hopping from wagon to wagon, explain your multiple promises for content that we still have not seen.
And if you get this mislynch off, explain why you are not Angela
What constant wagon jumps?
Are you even in the same game as me?
I have produced content. You are proof of this. Besides I'm lazy I'm a neutral. You and your buddy vaimes know this to be true that is why you both keep attacking me for it. It really is your only attack against me.
Actually... no...
I started this wagon....
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That was very unuseful information. I've played with d_v ages ago so i am not going off of "meta"
I am all for zomg's lynch,
i just find it funny that scum!zomg went through all that effort to fake claim when he could have read the rules and just claimed his name.
But if he is town, well, D_v is ****ed. But so many people are siding with him now, that if he does turn out to be scum... so much wine for scum to play with.
Maybe d_v and zomg are scum together.
If that happens we lynch shadow, for that god awful meta read.
Anywho. Bed time. Those are my thoughts.
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And you asked to be protected by a doc. Why would you want to grab the doc protection if your role can make you die anyways?
I don't believe this role is a role. Why would you be a town tracker if the scum dies anyways when you guess correctly? That makes no sense at all.
I think you're a scum tracker.
Unvote
Make it detailed.
O.o
So...hypothetically, if scum is using a night action, you kill them, making it so you don't need to track them, and if they aren't using an ability, you track them...going no where? Are you even reading this as you make it up?
You're a Conditional Vig if anything else. Who happens to die if they target town, which ???.
There's no way this can be a real role. It's way too convoluted.
I was gonna say leave him alone and if he's still alive on D2 or there's no extra kill, then lynch him, but he's probably just gonna claim to be RB'd.
Regardless, DV counterclaimed him, so in a vacuum, not lynching one of them is a bad idea, and with the circumstances considered, there is no reason to let zomg live over DV at this point.
No dice.
There is no such role as Tracker/Watcher Who Dies or Kills Their Target In A Way That Also Functions Like A Cop.
zomg can be lynched toDay.
I'm not holding my breath for the lurkers to suddenly have something to say, and waiting around for another ten days for them to do something sounds awful. I'd rather they just get replaced overNight.
@Mod: How long do Kitty and Atog have to respond before you'll replace them?
1. If you were playing this game as not a replacement for Omega, what would you have thought about Omega's #40?
2. Where does Hunt fall on your T/S list?
@Vaimes: In 340, you threaten Scarbo with "PoE lynching" on Day 2 or 3. How exactly does one lynch via process of elimination that early in the game?
Zomg answered a question directed at vaimes..
What are the chances that vaimes is his buddy?
I don't know that I've seen any anecdotal evidence for this, but in general, I would think that a standard scum mindset would avoid answering questions for a buddy, both to avoid the association with the buddy/looking like they're defending, and to up the interactions of their buddy with other players. This would be somewhat more likely from experienced scum, but I would think it would be true even from newer scum.
I'm not your buddy, guy.
@cantrip: of zomg flips scum, we are talking the guy who fake claimed someone else when he didn't have to.
Idk, just the way vaimes semi waffled about zomgs ability until shadow pointed out how he was wrong has me thinkin.
zomg, who would his buddies be?
I mean concidering you are saying you are gonna flip town, as much help from you as possible would be nice.
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Kitty will be replaced tomorrow if she fails to post by then, luckily we have one ready to hop in. Atog seems to have popped online briefly, I think Proph knows him/her irl so I'll send a PM to him to ask for assistance in what's the situation. If they also fail to show up in time and I don't receive feedback before a replacement is found, then obviously a replacement will happen but I'll have to request in the replacement threads.
I missed Vaimes vote on a previous votecount cuz it was in blue, it has been fixed.
Idk, there is something super fishy about this lynch and i can't quite put my finger on it...
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
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Yes please.
So scum d_v would have to have a night pr (probably vigshot) and a cc would gauruntee he lives toNight to use it. That would be 3 town kills....
Concidering he claimed nuet, i can see this.
Anyone else wanna foil this with me? Concidering d_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch?
I get that zomgs role is odd, but i can see that role with a scum vig.
Town!zomg targets me
Scum!D_v tries to vig me.
Town!zomg dies
Town_zomg targets scum!d_v
Scum!d_v tries to vig me
Scum!d_v dies.
Except by targeting them (and falling under the ANY ability clause) if you target town you die.. if you target scum they die.
Ugh my brain hurts...
Someone else wanna chime in?
Not really, and I actually don't think scum would create counterwagons at this point, it'd put them in a pretty bad spot tomorrow if you are indeed scum. The excuse just comes across as you grasping at straws.
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1. I think it's an understandable reaction to Oph's claim off the cuff, that was made poorly due to quick mobile posting. I would have probed for more specifics as a straight barn is lazy, but bring on mobile explains the awkwardness somewhat.
2. I actually had forgotten about Hunt, which I don't like. Slight scumread for hiding in the shadows, but that's a plague in this game so I kind of hate that read
Also zomg I can't wrap my head around what your claim is meant to do. It's so swingy I can't imagine it existing, either you target scum and create massive advantages or target town and nuke yourself. I'm trying to come at it with a fresh mind, but I just don't see it
What do you have to lose?
Copped n1 returns guilty (he'd get copped because he claimed nuet, he is screwed.)
So why claim nuet? Maybe the idea of a cop didn't cross his mind? Might as well go out with his vig shot in tact..
That way he gets 3 town deaths before his one
Scum!d_v could cc scum_zomg and coast to victory. Concidering rhand mentioned that happened to him once, that could be a thing.
I just.. why.
Why the hell would zomg fakeclaim.
Actually, why the hell would zomg fakeclaim on a "no flavor gaming" game. And are there really any overwatch characters that are "bad"? Am i the only one who thinks this is odd? D_v tried flavor gaming to push zomgs lynch. Guhhh.
Does anyone believe zomg is that dumb?
D_v is the claimed nuetral. And suddenly we are lynching zomg because he claimed.. the nuetrals name.
**** i am drinking wine, aren't i?
Why would I counter claim him?
What do I gain?
He's scum he ****ed up.
End him.
this was planned
Not saying zomg isn't scum.
But again, something super fishy about this.
You cc your own role... like rhand said.
You call for a nameclaim, zomg throws out your name. Takes the hit for you to coast to endgame.
????
How is that a slip?
Oh no.
I 100% tried to flavor game you. I was saying on top of the fake name you weren't even claiming a good role. But someone who was paying attention pointed out that was wrong.
Anyone who doesn't vote you is dumb.
What constant wagon jumps?
Are you even in the same game as me?
I have produced content. You are proof of this. Besides I'm lazy I'm a neutral. You and your buddy vaimes know this to be true that is why you both keep attacking me for it. It really is your only attack against me.
You said that you die if you target town that gets targetted.
You didn't say that that town would then be saved from a kill. You didn't even mention a kill. It was merely about the town getting targetted and you dieing.
This one is scum too. He asked me a question that I ignored. He doesn't care for his own questions.
Scum team detected.
There's no one else in this game that played in Winterfell.
What happened is that I replaced into a scum slot and saw that my buddy Arianrhod had claimed my rolename. I counterclaimed him for towncred and that got me the win in the end.
The reason Arianrhod claimed my rolename is that my name (Catelyn Stark) made a lot more sense for the role he was going to claim than his own name (Rickon Stark).
Seeing you post this when i think you are scum made me giggle.
@rhand, do you think that could be happening?
That is the only plausable reason i can see scum!zomg fakeclaim sans not reading the rules.
Actually... no...
I started this wagon....