Also I think you townread me for a bit in that FS Witchhunt game where my team eventually conceded, so nyeh.
****, you're right. I wanted to lynch you the day your team conceded though. I think? Too bad the FS forums got nuked and we'll never be able to know for sure.
I think this is the first time I've felt you were scum on page one. Usually I end up townreading you even if you're scum, for the first few Days at least.
I think this is the first time I've felt you were scum on page one. Usually I end up townreading you even if you're scum, for the first few Days at least.
I don't really know what to make of this.
Hmm, this kind of goes against my better judgment - as you know, I pretty much hate directly talking to people about their own alignment or mine - but maybe with our meta it could be productive?
Thought experiment: what would you have thought about me if I'd voted for you after you baited me to? Let's say I posted something along the lines of, "well since you put it that way, vote: Vaimes"
At that point, I think it's too late for it to really come from one alignment more than the other. Either you'll do it as town to actually pressure me, or you'll do it as mafia because you're afraid I'll keep tugging at that particular string.
Random thought: We should try to have this not be like two separate games with two groups who know each other better talking mostly among themselves.
I... don't really know what to ask Chris, Seppel, Azrael, or Ecco right now other than what I asked Sppel/Az earlier, though.
Ecco, I guess, from your point of view, are there any potential alignments or unalignments on your wagon? I don't think I can be more specific than that without being leading.
At that point, I think it's too late for it to really come from one alignment more than the other. Either you'll do it as town to actually pressure me, or you'll do it as mafia because you're afraid I'll keep tugging at that particular string.
Also I just noticed you didn't vote for anyone. Don't give a weak scumread like that and not even vote to try and scare me. I might think you're full of hot air and decide to lynch you for it.
I think this is the first time I've felt you were scum on page one. Usually I end up townreading you even if you're scum, for the first few Days at least.
I don't really know what to make of this.
So why aren't you voting me?
I felt like your first post was low-energy compared to how hyped I'd expected you to be for this playerlist, and then your second post kind of compounded this when you didn't comment on what was to me, the only actual interesting thing that had happened so far. That's what sparked my initial "this feels like it could be your scumgame" ping.
But with me you've been more engaged and I kind of believed / bought your line about scumreading me and not knowing what to make of it - since I'm very aware that it's true that it would be against type. But not following it with a vote, especially after the way you harangued me about mine, makes me kind of doubt how genuine what you're repping towards me actually is.
Just to be up front about it, since this is the first game it's actually been on the line for me to read you, I'm going to insist that you not just entertain yourself with gimmicks and showmanship and bring you A game, or I'm no joke going to policy lynch you D2.
*stares at newcomb with many eyes*
Okay, "insist" was a poor choice of words. How about, "ask politely"?
With that being said, Eco's gold star also felt pretty awkward and unnatural. It reminds me of KosaKosa in WWE Mafia a few years back on the first page or two.
Light town reads on Seppel and Vaimes.
@Sir Chris - Thoughts on the Vaimes/Newcomb interaction above?
Hi, iirc, I always rvs a player that hasn't posted yet and I haven't played with yet.
Day1 Vote Cyan
Are you scum trying to remember how town!you RVS's?
I somehow missed this.
This is the thing I felt, or pretty close to it. Ignoring the Eco deal pings me more though, I think Town!Mal has more interest in the wagon springing up, and has something to contribute rather than a slightly stilted RVS post.
The other side of the coin is I'm not sure scum!Mal has the testicular fortitude to just 'Good' me when I bring it up, but. Down that road lies a dead Sicilian.
Kind of meta. I think I can explain Seppel reads better when I have more interactions to point to, but he feels more... 'Hey, here is what I see and what I think' Seppel rather than 'Agenday' Seppel. It's early and not super strong, but it's there.
Hi Az, I'm somebody whose default mode of thought about how to play mafia comes across as scummy, but I'm really bad at playing scum and can be very transparently town when I have something to dig into.
Voxx/Vaimes both think I should have been doing my normal town thing tonight, but I didn't really have much time so I decided to go fishing instead.
You should know that the only time I've rolled scum in a game with both of them, Voxx caught me for making an awkward sounding RVS vote. I decided to emulate that this game to see what would happen.
I'm sleeping now, and will post something real in the morning.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
okay so I actually read the thread now albeit backwards and I'm going to bed after I make this post.
So I'm down with the Eco wagon, it feels right and neither Az nor Seppel have given me bad vibes. Not moving that vote.
GJ's opening seemed uh, out of place? I'm not really sure how to describe it other than a gut feeling since he hasn't posted since.
I like that mal's opening was deliberate, that it prickled Voxxicus accordingly, and that he responded to it. We have half of this game cleared, already.
I'd really appreciate if tom dropped the posting gimmick, but whatever. I'm sure his votes will reveal his true face. (Is there a Lolth card in Hearthstone?)
I sort of glazed over Vaimes & Newcomb's exchange. I'll sort them out with wagon analysis, as well.
So that just leaves:
Vaimes
Newcomb
Cyan
Chris
tom
GJ
and I don't think Cyan has posted, yet, of those six.
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@Chris: Let's tango. Tell me about your opening post. Should I be townreading you for it?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Iso: Uh, no I would say it'd be weird if anyone town read me based off of a teasing post like that.
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Haven't read much of you yet, but reading the thread backwards is a pro town strategy so I mean.
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This is an off-kilter response to your pressure that you applied by repping a serious vote on Ecco for his 1st post voting Az that I saw no problem with.
What did you see, and was it meta or non-meta?
His post was decidedly not a random vote. He showed no excitement or feeling that he was doing something fun by voting Az. It was a calculated play of attempting to do something fun, but without any of the associated feelings of doing something fun.
Then, I stated that my vote was serious. He has since tried desperately to shrug me off by posting a meme and downplaying my vote. Essentially laughing in our faces, implying that he won't crack.
Is Seppel voting for pressure? He says no.
Am I voting for pressure? Nope.
Well, both of us have said we're not playing around. Either we're lying, which is not the sort of thing either of us lie about as town, or you're incorrect. Which do you think it is and why?
Given that you (and Vaimes) are either voting me for pressure or because you spotted one of Seppels incredibly-flimsy-at-best "tells", I gave you the benefit of the doubt of not doing the dumb thing. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me by explaining what egregious scum tells I committed.
Ecco, I guess, from your point of view, are there any potential alignments or unalignments on your wagon? I don't think I can be more specific than that without being leading.
There's only one C in my name
There's not really much to go on, but I agree Seppel and Az are unlikely to both me Mafia, same with Az and Chris. As for the votes, I think Chris' looks kind of bad since he kind of asked Az permission to join the wagon, but he did it with a pointless question that no-one would answer negative to: so why didn't Chris just vote me in the first place? Also don't like Vaimes' vote all that much, since both #42 and #63 kind of contradict: the former suggests he doesn't actually think I'm scum, but the latter calls me a scum read (@Vaimes please explain). I strongly disling Voxx's not-vote on me: notice how #66 actually lays out a justification for voting me (which is more than anyone else had done), but doesn't do the deed himself or pass any kind of judgement on my alignment. Just dangles it out there for others to use.
So I'm down with the Eco wagon, it feels right and neither Az nor Seppel have given me bad vibes. Not moving that vote.
Hi Iso. This is a train of thought that I don't really understand. It looks like you're voting me because Az and Seppel don't give you bad vibes (which I read as distinct from "give you good vibes") but not because you actually think I'm scum. What about the other two votes on me at the time? Why don't the vibes they give matter?
Man Azrael is fine, why you gotta go all up in his grill, Tom?
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I can't believe no one is alarmed at the speed of this wagon or lack of counter wagon if eco is wolf.
*nods*
*considers wrapping eco in a cocoon to be consumed later*
*glares at azrael menacingly*
*looks at sir chris bemusedly*
*glances at seppel quizzically*
*is fine with vaimes and isos votes*
****, you're right. I wanted to lynch you the day your team conceded though. I think? Too bad the FS forums got nuked and we'll never be able to know for sure.
I don't really know what to make of this.
I'll give it to you later.
Hmm, this kind of goes against my better judgment - as you know, I pretty much hate directly talking to people about their own alignment or mine - but maybe with our meta it could be productive?
Thought experiment: what would you have thought about me if I'd voted for you after you baited me to? Let's say I posted something along the lines of, "well since you put it that way, vote: Vaimes"
I... don't really know what to ask Chris, Seppel, Azrael, or Ecco right now other than what I asked Sppel/Az earlier, though.
Ecco, I guess, from your point of view, are there any potential alignments or unalignments on your wagon? I don't think I can be more specific than that without being leading.
So why'd you tell me to do it?
It's the only thing that made me eventually catch you in Stargate.
Also I don't remember you ever being stingy with your vote, so it was more of me thinking out loud than like. An actual command, I guess.
I'll talk to them when they're here.
But yeah I'm fine with not blowing up the gamethread with just our posts.
So why aren't you voting me?
I felt like your first post was low-energy compared to how hyped I'd expected you to be for this playerlist, and then your second post kind of compounded this when you didn't comment on what was to me, the only actual interesting thing that had happened so far. That's what sparked my initial "this feels like it could be your scumgame" ping.
But with me you've been more engaged and I kind of believed / bought your line about scumreading me and not knowing what to make of it - since I'm very aware that it's true that it would be against type. But not following it with a vote, especially after the way you harangued me about mine, makes me kind of doubt how genuine what you're repping towards me actually is.
Can't vote two scumreads, unfortunately.
Vote: Mallorean Thug
I feel like you are trying too hard to make your first post a RVS post vs. reacting to the Eco thing that was going on.
Dislike.
Okay, "insist" was a poor choice of words. How about, "ask politely"?
Light town reads on Seppel and Vaimes.
@Sir Chris - Thoughts on the Vaimes/Newcomb interaction above?
Good.
There's enough twatnuggets that take pleasure in being a pain to read. I like you better when you're super transparent.
I somehow missed this.
This is the thing I felt, or pretty close to it. Ignoring the Eco deal pings me more though, I think Town!Mal has more interest in the wagon springing up, and has something to contribute rather than a slightly stilted RVS post.
The other side of the coin is I'm not sure scum!Mal has the testicular fortitude to just 'Good' me when I bring it up, but. Down that road lies a dead Sicilian.
Expand on Seppel? If it's non-meta.
Voxx/Vaimes both think I should have been doing my normal town thing tonight, but I didn't really have much time so I decided to go fishing instead.
You should know that the only time I've rolled scum in a game with both of them, Voxx caught me for making an awkward sounding RVS vote. I decided to emulate that this game to see what would happen.
I'm sleeping now, and will post something real in the morning.
[towncircle]
Vaimes
Seppel
Voxx
mal
Hmmm.
Choo choo
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
*moves an eye towards azrael's vote*
*a few at eco*
*keeps some on newcomb*
So I'm down with the Eco wagon, it feels right and neither Az nor Seppel have given me bad vibes. Not moving that vote.
GJ's opening seemed uh, out of place? I'm not really sure how to describe it other than a gut feeling since he hasn't posted since.
I like that mal's opening was deliberate, that it prickled Voxxicus accordingly, and that he responded to it. We have half of this game cleared, already.
I'd really appreciate if tom dropped the posting gimmick, but whatever. I'm sure his votes will reveal his true face. (Is there a Lolth card in Hearthstone?)
I sort of glazed over Vaimes & Newcomb's exchange. I'll sort them out with wagon analysis, as well.
So that just leaves:
Vaimes
Newcomb
Cyan
Chris
tom
GJ
and I don't think Cyan has posted, yet, of those six.
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@Chris: Let's tango. Tell me about your opening post. Should I be townreading you for it?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso: Uh, no I would say it'd be weird if anyone town read me based off of a teasing post like that.
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2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
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2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Then, I stated that my vote was serious. He has since tried desperately to shrug me off by posting a meme and downplaying my vote. Essentially laughing in our faces, implying that he won't crack.
But he already has.
Eco is scum; I'm done with this day.
Seppel's A-Game: Brought.
Given that you (and Vaimes) are either voting me for pressure or because you spotted one of Seppels incredibly-flimsy-at-best "tells", I gave you the benefit of the doubt of not doing the dumb thing. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me by explaining what egregious scum tells I committed.
There's only one C in my name
There's not really much to go on, but I agree Seppel and Az are unlikely to both me Mafia, same with Az and Chris. As for the votes, I think Chris' looks kind of bad since he kind of asked Az permission to join the wagon, but he did it with a pointless question that no-one would answer negative to: so why didn't Chris just vote me in the first place? Also don't like Vaimes' vote all that much, since both #42 and #63 kind of contradict: the former suggests he doesn't actually think I'm scum, but the latter calls me a scum read (@Vaimes please explain). I strongly disling Voxx's not-vote on me: notice how #66 actually lays out a justification for voting me (which is more than anyone else had done), but doesn't do the deed himself or pass any kind of judgement on my alignment. Just dangles it out there for others to use.
Vote Voxxicus
Hi Iso. This is a train of thought that I don't really understand. It looks like you're voting me because Az and Seppel don't give you bad vibes (which I read as distinct from "give you good vibes") but not because you actually think I'm scum. What about the other two votes on me at the time? Why don't the vibes they give matter?
[5] Ecophagy - Seppel, Vaimes, Azrael, Sir Chris, Iso
[1] Seppel - Gentleman Johnny
[1] Newcomb - tomsloger
[1] Cyan - mallorean_thug
[1] mallorean_thug - Voxxicus
[1] Voxxicus - Ecophagy
Not Voting: Newcomb, Cyan
With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is on Monday, December 12th.
Given that he has not responded to his role PM yet, Cyan has been prodded.
Feels loose. And yet, so right...
I realise that it's exiting to try and speed lynch someone you think you caught after one post, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
vote azrael
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2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
vote eco
unvote
*sheepish spider*
What's your current impression of me?
Anyway, they started the wagon, why should I take issue with it?
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##Chris: Thanks for clarifying! (No really, no sarcasm)
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No supporting evidence, no attempt at guiding me else where. Just trying to get me away from him.
I can't believe no one is alarmed at the speed of this wagon or lack of counter wagon if eco is wolf.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
*considers wrapping eco in a cocoon to be consumed later*
*glares at azrael menacingly*
*looks at sir chris bemusedly*
*glances at seppel quizzically*
*is fine with vaimes and isos votes*
*realizes how expressive spiders apparently are*
(Will answer Eco soon, quick phone post.)