Look apparently Vaimes isn't that great at this whole mafia thing according to Newcomb and Voxx and just does silly stuff sometimes, and we both know Cyan you have a SEVERE BURNING HATRED for silly things, regardless of alignment.
Look I'll buy you a drink. Wouldn't it just SUCK if GJ and Iso were playing you? Sure it would. Come with your bud Chris, sure I'm crazy but I offer hugs. I'll give you a big ole hug.
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I personally would go with Vaimes' bottom 4 is "Iso and his 3 scumsuspects" I mean that's a LITTLE BIT STRANGE but apparently Vaimes is just a really strange guy, so whatever.
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Like. Talk me through the exact thought process that you had when you started typing it.
"I want to bring Iso down a notch. Sure he may be right but he's being a sick about it instead of being helpful. Oh sweet, a scumtell!! Wait... Proph is the mod. Haha, let's post it anyway."
I confess, I was secretly hoping it would be more mystical and cool than that. I was kind of expecting something like, - "so first you put everyone's name in a jar, then you seal the jar and bury in behind your house, then you sacrifice ten goats to the Nameless One and dance around naked under the full moon (that's not part of the ritual, but it helps get you in the right mood.) After six days, you break into the Lawrence Berkeley National Labs with a wire cutter, a fake mustache, and a frozen haddock. There you'll find the world's most powerful microscope. After pelting it with the frozen tears of your arch-enemy, put the jar under the microscope. There, the SECRETS OF TIME AND SPACE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU, and also the scumteam's names will appear in neon pink."
Instead, I got "Process of Elimination, but with whipped cream and rainbow sprinkles."
I'm wrong about Vaimes. I'm right about Eco. Given my day one history when it comes to suspecting people versus town clearing people, if I am honest at my win rate in early reads this is more than likely the scenario.
[4] Vaimes - Cyan, Gentleman Johnny, Sir Chris, Seppel
[4] Cyan - mallorean_thug, tomsloger, Vaimes, Iso
Vaimes is town. Vaimes was a wagon that is pushed along slowly. Cyan starts the wagon on a town vaimes, GJ follows that, I super follow that up, and then Seppel sheeps me onto it. From previous experience I know Seppel respects my game and doesn't mind jumping with me on adventures as town.
So I am mason with Az, I have successfully cleared a town member under fire in Eco, I have a misguided attack on a member of town in Vaimes, and Seppel is following along with me on an adventure because he has faith in my ability now that I made a splash, as town.
Iso's observation of the masonry means nothing to his alignment. I was putting it out there, and scum would be looking for such clues just as much, if not moreso than a town member would.
Scum Iso links scum buddy GJ to town members Eco and Cyan. When I ask about Eco, he mentions Cyan as a viable alternative, but not GJ. My biggest mistake day 1 is usually being right about something but not thinking about it critically. I said I really thought I had something in Iso/GJ. Iso and GJ are helping to engineer both of these wagons currently. Cyan and Vaimes, the victim of this manipulation, are playing their parts by voting for the other. How to break this? Give Iso what he wants.
##unvote: Vaimes
##vote: GJ
Okay so let's listen to Iso, an amazing player, and lynch GJ.
Pending reread, I hate this idea much, much less than I hated the idea of killing Vaimes or Cyan. I'll look into it.
At no point in any of this does Vaimes talk about GJ. Of his 4 possible scum, he talks about EVERYONE ELSE. Nothing about GJ. The only reason I can think of that he even included him is 'other people have talked about GJ being scum'. Of course, the primary other person that did so was Iso, whom Vaimes has as a possible scum candidate, but he's not phased by that at all.
And yet. He just hops on board the GJ wagon, because SC asked him to.
I can only hope that this was a trap set by SC, whom will now move his vote back to Vaimes and never ******* unvote him.
Sometimes people change their minds on a dime. I know it's not a very Cyan-like trait, but a lot of us do it. Doesn't seem strange to me, coming from Vaimes, and I'm functionally considering doing the same thing myself, since it's an area where the town might be able to agree and avoid lynching people who are being read as town.
Don't stress out about keeping up Cyan, we know you're doing your best, and glad you could make it, even if we don't have your full attention.
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I'm not a wolf, Iso spent more of day 1 on the last Invitational thinking I was scum, I am not super suprised he can't read me correctly at all. But, I realize I won't be putting out a ton of pressure today or even tomorrow. So, meh.
With Az and Chris confirmed masons (uh, thanks Iso?), along with my solid Vaimes town read, the scum originally on my wagon is narrowed down to Iso or Seppel. The latter's position is pretty straightforward, ever since he thought he'd got the slam dunk on me, he's been non-existent. Basically every post has been a single line, and he's thrown his vote around but there's like no explanation for anything. I respect that I might have underlying frustration against Seppel colouring my read, but does anyone else see how disengaged Seppel has been? He's even given up trying to get me lynched, which I find difficult to fathom given how certain he was. Like I don't even know if he still thinks I'm scum!
Iso is more complicated. On the surface, I think it would be poor play for scum to actually reveal the mason pairing: it would make way more sense for scum to quietly notice it and just kill one of them at night. It's also pretty stupid town play, but Iso doing stupid things to further his own agenda is his modus operandi, so it's a believable reason at least. The thing is, that I feel that if Iso is scum here, his strategy is to take town!Iso to it's logical extreme. If I squint a bit, there are a number of indicators for that: he's "caught" the whole scum team almost immediately, and just completely refused to consider any other universe. So far, so normal Iso, but even for Iso's infamous inflexibility, these reads are stubborn: at no point has he decided to try and work out if I'm independent scum, despite the number of posts that I've made under pressure to help substantiate a read. As Newcomb pointed out in #352/3, Iso's connection logic just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Despite this, Iso has been doing his "I'm Iso I'm the greatest just lynch who I tell you to" schtick, also so far so town. However, despite his supreme confidence, no-one really agrees with him. I'd expect town Iso to rev up the machine to maximum power and slam out some post detailing how He Sees The Game Correctly (like he did in ZDS' Normal) and to really be pushing for that ultimate glory of nailing the whole scum team Day 1 in an invitational. But I just don't see that. Iso's just kind of standing on the periphery complaining that everyone is ignoring his sick readz instead of really doing something about it.
Basically I think it looks like Iso is doing a warped town Iso impression where he picks a scum team he can make a narrative for and pushes it exclusively. It feels like an impression rather than genuine because his reads are unusually rigid even for him and despite the potential gigantic e-peen payoff of being right, he's just not pushing hard enough which betrays his lack of conviction. Would town Iso really not have bothered to reevaluate his read of me ever? Entirely possible, but in that case he'd be pushing me way harder.
So, yeah, I'd say Iso makes his way onto my "would lynch" list. Seppel drops down too, but I don't think anyone is really interested in that?
I don't really get why people are townreading tom for his web picture in #522. It's like the perfect scum post: it's cool and creative so it looks like effort was put into it, but it's so vague and open to interpretation. Like you could read almost anything into it and Tom can just agree with you. It doesn't actually tell you what Tom is really thinking, or WHY anyone everyone is positioned the way they are. @Tom: I really want you to explain in as much detail as you can (and with as little using of spider-actions instead of words) why everyone is where they are, both in relation to yourself, and in relation to others.
Reading Voxx's #429, and I'm not blown away. There are a lot of words, but all the reads are super weak: he's just producing a PoE list that's based on a series of "eh"s, that naturally comes down to "lynch the people who aren't here". Yeah, I think Cyan could still be scum for his total switch onto my wagon and GJ has gone from "probably town" to "dirty slanker" (although illness so...), but for Voxx they're not scum reads, they're just "I couldn't think of a passing reason to call them town". To his credit, Voxx does cop to this, but you'd think if he was Town he'd actually give a ***** and try and find some scum reads rather than just shrug his way into a poor lynch.
With Az and Chris confirmed masons (uh, thanks Iso?), along with my solid Vaimes town read, the scum originally on my wagon is narrowed down to Iso or Seppel. The latter's position is pretty straightforward, ever since he thought he'd got the slam dunk on me, he's been non-existent. Basically every post has been a single line, and he's thrown his vote around but there's like no explanation for anything. I respect that I might have underlying frustration against Seppel colouring my read, but does anyone else see how disengaged Seppel has been? He's even given up trying to get me lynched, which I find difficult to fathom given how certain he was. Like I don't even know if he still thinks I'm scum!
Iso is more complicated. On the surface, I think it would be poor play for scum to actually reveal the mason pairing: it would make way more sense for scum to quietly notice it and just kill one of them at night. It's also pretty stupid town play, but Iso doing stupid things to further his own agenda is his modus operandi, so it's a believable reason at least. The thing is, that I feel that if Iso is scum here, his strategy is to take town!Iso to it's logical extreme. If I squint a bit, there are a number of indicators for that: he's "caught" the whole scum team almost immediately, and just completely refused to consider any other universe. So far, so normal Iso, but even for Iso's infamous inflexibility, these reads are stubborn: at no point has he decided to try and work out if I'm independent scum, despite the number of posts that I've made under pressure to help substantiate a read. As Newcomb pointed out in #352/3, Iso's connection logic just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Despite this, Iso has been doing his "I'm Iso I'm the greatest just lynch who I tell you to" schtick, also so far so town. However, despite his supreme confidence, no-one really agrees with him. I'd expect town Iso to rev up the machine to maximum power and slam out some post detailing how He Sees The Game Correctly (like he did in ZDS' Normal) and to really be pushing for that ultimate glory of nailing the whole scum team Day 1 in an invitational. But I just don't see that. Iso's just kind of standing on the periphery complaining that everyone is ignoring his sick readz instead of really doing something about it.
Basically I think it looks like Iso is doing a warped town Iso impression where he picks a scum team he can make a narrative for and pushes it exclusively. It feels like an impression rather than genuine because his reads are unusually rigid even for him and despite the potential gigantic e-peen payoff of being right, he's just not pushing hard enough which betrays his lack of conviction. Would town Iso really not have bothered to reevaluate his read of me ever? Entirely possible, but in that case he'd be pushing me way harder.
So, yeah, I'd say Iso makes his way onto my "would lynch" list. Seppel drops down too, but I don't think anyone is really interested in that?
I don't really get why people are townreading tom for his web picture in #522. It's like the perfect scum post: it's cool and creative so it looks like effort was put into it, but it's so vague and open to interpretation. Like you could read almost anything into it and Tom can just agree with you. It doesn't actually tell you what Tom is really thinking, or WHY anyone everyone is positioned the way they are. @Tom: I really want you to explain in as much detail as you can (and with as little using of spider-actions instead of words) why everyone is where they are, both in relation to yourself, and in relation to others.
Barning all three of these posts, with a few provisos. 1) It's not guaranteed that there were ANY scum on your wagon, but Iso is definitely the only person on your wagon I'd consider for that. For many of the same reasons you mentioned. But, I don't think it's at all poor play for scum Iso to Chris to spill his guts about the mason identity. For one, iso's history as town supports him being silly enough to do that, and for two, now no one will start looking askance at Iso if me and Chris wind up dead, b/c *everyone* knew. If Chris showed up dead without said claim, I'd have considering putting Iso's head on a pike as the most likely candidate to have noticed our breadcrumbs, and taken the shot.
Not sure if you arrived at these reads organically, or you're just trying to pocket me by parroting my exact reads, though. *frown*
Reading Voxx's #429, and I'm not blown away. There are a lot of words, but all the reads are super weak: he's just producing a PoE list that's based on a series of "eh"s, that naturally comes down to "lynch the people who aren't here". Yeah, I think Cyan could still be scum for his total switch onto my wagon and GJ has gone from "probably town" to "dirty slanker" (although illness so...), but for Voxx they're not scum reads, they're just "I couldn't think of a passing reason to call them town". To his credit, Voxx does cop to this, but you'd think if he was Town he'd actually give a ***** and try and find some scum reads rather than just shrug his way into a poor lynch.
Barning all three of these posts, with a few provisos. 1) It's not guaranteed that there were ANY scum on your wagon, but Iso is definitely the only person on your wagon I'd consider for that. For many of the same reasons you mentioned. But, I don't think it's at all poor play for scum Iso to Chris to spill his guts about the mason identity. For one, iso's history as town supports him being silly enough to do that, and for two, now no one will start looking askance at Iso if me and Chris wind up dead, b/c *everyone* knew. If Chris showed up dead without said claim, I'd have considering putting Iso's head on a pike as the most likely candidate to have noticed our breadcrumbs, and taken the shot.
OK, I'll concede it's not a guarantee but I'd be super surprised if my wagon was all Town. RE: the masons thing, I meant more that I think it's bad play for scum in general to spill the beans. I agree that it's when it comes to Iso specifically, it's not so clear cut: especially if he's trying to channel Town Iso to the MAX.
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I decided to approach the game from a different angle. I think your play makes sense as a very clever scum.
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I decided to approach the game from a different angle. I think your play makes sense as a very clever scum.
Well,
I think you make sense from a different angle. It also doesn't strike me as "clever" if I have been caught in such a way.
That's far too results based. Clever is clever, outcomes not mattering much.
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Results in the long term matter, one circumstance does not.
Methods lead to long term, odd twists of fate can dash 1 circumstance.
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Results in the long term matter, one circumstance does not.
Methods lead to long term, odd twists of fate can dash 1 circumstance.
For the sake of this moment, and this game, the one instance does in fact matter.
You come in with the assumption that other games other than the present matter for anything here. As such, I find myself in a situation. I guarantee I am as hard to mislynch as you are (if I am to believe you word from a previous game). So I am feeling a smidgen nervous right now, as you should full well understand.
Hamilton was one of the smartest people in the 19th century. How much did that matter after 1804? All his cleverness, didn't stop Burr from shooting him.
If you're as tough as I am you would never have fear in your heart as town.
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If you're as tough as I am you would never have fear in your heart as town.
My endurance is shot dude. I don't like being mislynched. This would be the 2nd time in my entire career. I am giving reads, trying to solve, but it matters for *****. I don't know why you think I don't jump on the easy Eco wagon as scum. Being clever doesn't ******* matter if I keep shooting down potential mislynches.
You always have a chance to reset the gamestate when one of your scum reads is wrong.
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Read through GJ's posts. I'm getting nothing pinging back strongly from him either way, because he's so stretched thin at the moment that his disinterest is the primary attitude tell shining through. I did not spot any of the so-called seismic shift from him that Eco was referring, either. I'll check again in context, but if I'm not seeing it, Newcomb isn't seeing it, and Sir Chris didn't see it initially, I'm thinking it doesn't exist.
Iso's either offbase there, or just picking on GJ and Cyan as lurker wagons of opportunity. Iso/Tom remain my preferred lynch targets for the day.
Chris, have you taken a hard look at these two yet?
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@Tom: I really want you to explain in as much detail as you can (and with as little using of spider-actions instead of words) why everyone is where they are, both in relation to yourself, and in relation to others.
*keeps voxx, cyan, iso, and azrael as far from himself as possible*
*lets chris and thug close*
*puts eco near cyan, nudges towards voxx*
*puts gj between iso and cyan*
*puts seppel as far from eco as possible*
*keeps vaimes sort of far away*
*finds open space for newcomb near the center*
Reading Voxx's #429, and I'm not blown away. There are a lot of words, but all the reads are super weak: he's just producing a PoE list that's based on a series of "eh"s, that naturally comes down to "lynch the people who aren't here". Yeah, I think Cyan could still be scum for his total switch onto my wagon and GJ has gone from "probably town" to "dirty slanker" (although illness so...), but for Voxx they're not scum reads, they're just "I couldn't think of a passing reason to call them town". To his credit, Voxx does cop to this, but you'd think if he was Town he'd actually give a ***** and try and find some scum reads rather than just shrug his way into a poor lynch.
I mean. Shrugging my way into a lynch on someone I think isn't town is basically my early game MO. I'm not Iso, I don't pretend to fake confidence in reads and demand my way or the high way, I just try to constantly narrow down who the scum team could be, generating town reads and lynching people who aren't town.
When a couple flips happen it becomes a lot easier to look at interactions and voting patterns and generate more conviction in who I think is scum, but I don't really care how I'm perceived, I'm not going to fake conviction and push a read with false confidence just to appear more classically town.
Like. You've almost exclusively attacked me for things that are not remotely alignment indicative, but playstyle indicative. So I jut kind of shrug at you, go 'well yes, I do have weak, squishy reads and am kind of indifferent on the lynch target as long as it's not a town read, but...shrug? I'm town, and it's a thing I'm doing as town, so.'
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*can be in berkeley in 4 hours*
Look I'll buy you a drink. Wouldn't it just SUCK if GJ and Iso were playing you? Sure it would. Come with your bud Chris, sure I'm crazy but I offer hugs. I'll give you a big ole hug.
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And now I'm going to bed.
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I'll vote someone in my next post.
This^
Yes. One of the biggest things that turns me off about Iso, was him gunning for Cyan in his current state.
Pending reread, I hate this idea much, much less than I hated the idea of killing Vaimes or Cyan. I'll look into it.
Sometimes people change their minds on a dime. I know it's not a very Cyan-like trait, but a lot of us do it. Doesn't seem strange to me, coming from Vaimes, and I'm functionally considering doing the same thing myself, since it's an area where the town might be able to agree and avoid lynching people who are being read as town.
Don't stress out about keeping up Cyan, we know you're doing your best, and glad you could make it, even if we don't have your full attention.
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I'm not a wolf, Iso spent more of day 1 on the last Invitational thinking I was scum, I am not super suprised he can't read me correctly at all. But, I realize I won't be putting out a ton of pressure today or even tomorrow. So, meh.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
[3] Gentleman Johnny - Newcomb, Voxxicus, Sir Chris
[3] Cyan - mallorean_thug, Iso, Seppel
[2] Vaimes - Cyan, Gentleman Johnny
[2] Voxxicus - Ecophagy, tomsloger
[1] tomsloger - Azrael
Not Voting: Vaimes
With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is on Monday, December 12th.
I should be able to find a replacement for mallorean_thug today. I will extend the deadline a bit to accommodate his replacement.
Iso is more complicated. On the surface, I think it would be poor play for scum to actually reveal the mason pairing: it would make way more sense for scum to quietly notice it and just kill one of them at night. It's also pretty stupid town play, but Iso doing stupid things to further his own agenda is his modus operandi, so it's a believable reason at least. The thing is, that I feel that if Iso is scum here, his strategy is to take town!Iso to it's logical extreme. If I squint a bit, there are a number of indicators for that: he's "caught" the whole scum team almost immediately, and just completely refused to consider any other universe. So far, so normal Iso, but even for Iso's infamous inflexibility, these reads are stubborn: at no point has he decided to try and work out if I'm independent scum, despite the number of posts that I've made under pressure to help substantiate a read. As Newcomb pointed out in #352/3, Iso's connection logic just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Despite this, Iso has been doing his "I'm Iso I'm the greatest just lynch who I tell you to" schtick, also so far so town. However, despite his supreme confidence, no-one really agrees with him. I'd expect town Iso to rev up the machine to maximum power and slam out some post detailing how He Sees The Game Correctly (like he did in ZDS' Normal) and to really be pushing for that ultimate glory of nailing the whole scum team Day 1 in an invitational. But I just don't see that. Iso's just kind of standing on the periphery complaining that everyone is ignoring his sick readz instead of really doing something about it.
Basically I think it looks like Iso is doing a warped town Iso impression where he picks a scum team he can make a narrative for and pushes it exclusively. It feels like an impression rather than genuine because his reads are unusually rigid even for him and despite the potential gigantic e-peen payoff of being right, he's just not pushing hard enough which betrays his lack of conviction. Would town Iso really not have bothered to reevaluate his read of me ever? Entirely possible, but in that case he'd be pushing me way harder.
So, yeah, I'd say Iso makes his way onto my "would lynch" list. Seppel drops down too, but I don't think anyone is really interested in that?
I just think it's cute.
Looking back, I think it's basically just Newcomb that's doing it. So, don't do that, bad Newcomb. Tom should still actually explain himself though.
Barning all three of these posts, with a few provisos. 1) It's not guaranteed that there were ANY scum on your wagon, but Iso is definitely the only person on your wagon I'd consider for that. For many of the same reasons you mentioned. But, I don't think it's at all poor play for scum Iso to Chris to spill his guts about the mason identity. For one, iso's history as town supports him being silly enough to do that, and for two, now no one will start looking askance at Iso if me and Chris wind up dead, b/c *everyone* knew. If Chris showed up dead without said claim, I'd have considering putting Iso's head on a pike as the most likely candidate to have noticed our breadcrumbs, and taken the shot.
Not sure if you arrived at these reads organically, or you're just trying to pocket me by parroting my exact reads, though. *frown*
OK, I'll concede it's not a guarantee but I'd be super surprised if my wagon was all Town. RE: the masons thing, I meant more that I think it's bad play for scum in general to spill the beans. I agree that it's when it comes to Iso specifically, it's not so clear cut: especially if he's trying to channel Town Iso to the MAX.
>addressed like 20 pages ago
Try a new argument, bro.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The GJ way path to no lynching:
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's fine.
I have all but shifted to MU anyway. Only my fans have kept me here.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So who do you think the scum on the wagon are?
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Iso/Vaimes. I am not completely sold on Iso yet, but Vaimes is still looking good.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Why are you scum reading me Chris? I thought we were cool, and you could see past me. But you just sided with Isotope Negative so you broke my heart.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Well,
I think you make sense from a different angle. It also doesn't strike me as "clever" if I have been caught in such a way.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I have extended the deadline by two days, so the deadline will expire on Wednesday, December 14th at 9:00 PM EST.
DONT YOU RUN AWAY FROM HARRY POTTER. YOU DONT GET TO DISENGAGE AFTER A FIGHT HAS BEEN PICKEN.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
That's far too results based. Clever is clever, outcomes not mattering much.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Results, dear man are all the matter. Being the smartest person in the room matters for ***** if your neck is the one in the noose.
As you can see, regardless of my alignment, enough people scum reading me is going to be a bad result, therefore my play itself is bad.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Methods lead to long term, odd twists of fate can dash 1 circumstance.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
For the sake of this moment, and this game, the one instance does in fact matter.
You come in with the assumption that other games other than the present matter for anything here. As such, I find myself in a situation. I guarantee I am as hard to mislynch as you are (if I am to believe you word from a previous game). So I am feeling a smidgen nervous right now, as you should full well understand.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
My endurance is shot dude. I don't like being mislynched. This would be the 2nd time in my entire career. I am giving reads, trying to solve, but it matters for *****. I don't know why you think I don't jump on the easy Eco wagon as scum. Being clever doesn't ******* matter if I keep shooting down potential mislynches.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
What does that even mean? Let's assume I'm wrong on Vaimes, for instance. That leaves, what Eco/tom/Cyan/Nacho/Voxx
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Iso's either offbase there, or just picking on GJ and Cyan as lurker wagons of opportunity. Iso/Tom remain my preferred lynch targets for the day.
Chris, have you taken a hard look at these two yet?
I'm kicking iso out of my town bloc atm in favor of you.
you're just going to waste everyone's time, and then we'll have to scramble to collect enough votes for a scum lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
*lets chris and thug close*
*puts eco near cyan, nudges towards voxx*
*puts gj between iso and cyan*
*puts seppel as far from eco as possible*
*keeps vaimes sort of far away*
*finds open space for newcomb near the center*
I mean. Shrugging my way into a lynch on someone I think isn't town is basically my early game MO. I'm not Iso, I don't pretend to fake confidence in reads and demand my way or the high way, I just try to constantly narrow down who the scum team could be, generating town reads and lynching people who aren't town.
When a couple flips happen it becomes a lot easier to look at interactions and voting patterns and generate more conviction in who I think is scum, but I don't really care how I'm perceived, I'm not going to fake conviction and push a read with false confidence just to appear more classically town.
Like. You've almost exclusively attacked me for things that are not remotely alignment indicative, but playstyle indicative. So I jut kind of shrug at you, go 'well yes, I do have weak, squishy reads and am kind of indifferent on the lynch target as long as it's not a town read, but...shrug? I'm town, and it's a thing I'm doing as town, so.'