You can talk to me if you want.
I'm just way too distracted by other stuff to contribute anything meaningful at present, like reading for alignments and things.
Sorry guys.
I'll do some of the wagons up after the lynch, though.
That shouldn't tax my resources too much.
Not that you should trust me since I'm basically slanking and you have no idea if I'm town or not.
Meh. I like looking at wagons so you'll get them anyway.
@Azrael:
Will this thread be closed at night, as well, or just the main thread?
On another note, I think tom is likely to be town.
There's basically three choices here.
1) If tom is scum/scum with Seppel, the only reason he would vote him and say he's lying is if he thinks you're going to try to get Seppel lynched and he wants the town cred. I ~guess it could be distancing, but basically that means they're scum/scum and I believe Seppel's claim so this is pretty unlikely in my mind.
2) If tom is scum but Seppel isn't, he's relying on you to do what you just said you weren't going to do to get Seppel mislynched. This seems like a really awkward line, but I guess if it worked out he could have tried to get you lynched for lying right after if he doesn't actually believe you? But he probably would have actually claimed your messages to him in this world to try to force you to counterclaim, I think.
3) If tom is town, he doesn't want D_V to be lynched if he's neutral because that advances the scum win condition. But if he believes D_V, he probably wants Seppel lynched because he's lying.
I don't necessarily agree with lynching Seppel just for lying (see: GoldenEye), but I ~think tom is town here.
@Silver: Connect with me. Take some guesses at passives. Gain a list of passives.
That's a pretty good idea.
Since I'm not likely a night kill target I can provide the list after you flip or whatever.
Independent verification and whatnot.
Assuming you actually mean me and not shadow this time, I mean.
Also even though I hate and despise modgaming, I would like to avoid a "Majora is mafia" problem like we saw in Taredas's Majora's Mask Mafia, so possibly read this and infer some information from it.
Modgaming is dumb but just keep this in the back of your heads.
Sequel to Inheritance Mafia, Disinherited has been reviewed by Kraj, Xyre, Iso, and Ganderin-Dan.
It follows in the footsteps of its predecessor games - Sin City, Matrix, Inheritance, in pushing the boundaries of game design into new and unexpected territory. However, an effort has also been made to reduce needless sophistication, and to adequately inform players of necessary strategic information that ought to be in the public sphere. That is not to say, of course, that each side does not have secrets of their own to employ.
Disinherited features the following design elements, which will be detailed further below, in the player rules section.
1. Community Spectators. An unlimited number of participants may elect to join the game as either town or mafia aligned spectators, and may affect the game and one another in various ways, most notably by advising (or misadvising) the players, in a parallel thread. In the past, many players have sought to join high-profile games, and have been unable to fight their way into one of the coveted slots, especially when competing against more experienced players. It is my intention to allow each player on the site to participate and have a meaningful voice and stake in this game, if they so choose.
2. Role randomization. Gaming the mod is not a terribly enjoyable pasttime for the players, thus, all but a few uniquely designed roles were placed in a communal pool, designed to be assigned to either mafia or town players, and then randomized between the two groups. No role was assigned to one group or another based solely on considerations of balance or power.
3. Aspects. As in Inheritance Mafia, most or all players have multiple abilities, or aspects. Unlike Inheritance, most or all of these abilities will be available for use from the beginning of the game. Which abilities are activated by a player at any given time will be an important strategic decision for each player. When a player wishes to change their selected aspect, they must PM the moderator. During the next twilight period, the aspect change will take effect, unless otherwise stated.
4. The game begins blind. Although players are free to reveal their identities, this game will feature moderator-issued gimmick accounts, distributed to each player.
5. This game features night talk. Because ordinary nights are boring. Players may continue to speak until the "dawn" period is declared.
1.
2. This will be a completely ordinary and conventional game of mafia, without any twists or turns.
3. This game features role randomization. Several roles were deliberately assigned, due to...unique circumstances. All remaining roles were randomized.
4. Those players who control multiple aspects begin play with the first aspect listed in their role PM selected by default. When a player wishes to change their selected aspect, they must PM the moderator. During the next twilight period, the aspect change will take effect, unless otherwise stated.
5. The town win condition is "The scum must die.". The mafia win condition is "Control the ship".
6. Players may talk during the night, until the "Dawn" period is declared by the moderators.
7. This game allows for spectators to play a role in the outcome of the game. Each spectator will be assigned an alignment by the moderators, but they may request a specific alignment prior to the game. Spectators may vote for and lynch one another; lynches will not result in the end of day. This game does not feature any mafia spectators who count towards the mafia win condition.
8. Spectators may not post in the game thread, but they may post in a publicly visible spectator thread. Mafia spectators may post in the mafia chat, upon invitation.
9. Players may post in either the game thread or spectator thread. Whenever a town player is killed, they become a spectator and may continue posting in the spectator thread. When a spectator is killed, they may no longer post.
10. In the event of inactivity, spectators are permitted to replace players sharing the same alignment, provided the spectator has not inherited any abilities.
11. Design philosophy: Imagine a blanket. Soft, simple, warm. Now imagine that this blanket suddenly turned into an alien. That's into tentacle rape. And polka. Simultaneously.
12. This game features five mafia players, and zero neutral players.
13. The mafia control the following ability: "Each night, for every living mafia player, you may have the moderator send a player a misleading flavor PM which contains a physical description of an event taking place in the night." (IE, you hear a knock on your door. A bouquet of flowers is slipped into your dressing room. etc.)
14. One of the five mafia players is The Ghost in the Machine, a gimmick account. The Ghost in the Machine may not be lynched or killed by the players. In the event that all other mafia players are killed, The Ghost in the Machine will be endgamed. The Ghost in the Machine counts towards the mafia win condition.
15. This setup is ability-heavy, and uses a number of features that have never before been seen, and therefore it has a possibility of being unusually swingy as a result. No one has been able to confidently predict whether the setup is perfectly balanced, but one thing is certain: each side has the capacity to wreak great havoc upon the other.
16. Unless otherwise stated, this game requires all players to use gimmick accounts for the duration of the game. Gimmick accounts will be issued to each player by the moderator. Players are permitted to claim their main account's identities.
I have not connected to anyone.
It's possible the other spectators did and are just talking to their lovers instead of in here with us, I guess?
@Seppel:
How do you want to do this? Did you use your link already?
Should I just link to you and send you a numbered list of passives and you can publicly reply with the numbers and yes/no?
Nobody's connected with me yet, but I also haven't attempted to connect with anyone. I plan to once my last final is over with, but until then I'm unfortunately too busy studying.
OK, so keep in mind that I won't be able to actively play until December is over. I've been just mostly skimming the thread and noting down things in my brain that pique my interest. Mostly, I'm doing this just to see how accurate my skim reading skills are.
The main reason why I think Iso should be LOCKED UP is because I feel as though his long catch-up posts are designed more to make him look townier as opposed to actually solving the game. It strongly reminded me of the long reads posts /I/ do as scum. If you've been following Iso's recent games, you'll note that he has a history of making these sort of catch-up posts as scum. The way that he kept delaying doing so feels more characteristic of his scum game than his town game.
Like, if you compare his catch-up posts as town and scum:
As for post lynch thoughts, it's really difficult to tell who the town are versus the scum because Bur didn't offer any resistance to his wagon - he just sort of talked about mechanics and gave up. Since he gave up, it's literally impossible to figure out who hopped on his wagon because they thought Bur was noncontributing scum, or scum looking to pick off low hanging fruit.
I'll do some more wagon analysis once December is over, but:
Bur- GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel, Todeck, Iso, DV, Bur, Manders
Tom- Wildfire, Cyan
Anak-Cythare
GJ - TheIceMan, tom
Sir Chris- Axelrod
WF - Sir Chris
Pretty sure Iso is the scum on the wagon here and everyone else is out in the middle of nowhere. Anak is also pretty likely to be scum, based off of this vote count:
Tordeck-DV, Cyan, anak, manders, tom
Bur- GJ, shadow
Wildfire- Sir Chris, Tordeck
Manders - Seppel
Anak - GJ
Anak -Cythare
DV - Wildfire
Sir Chris- Axelrod
Shadowlancer - TheIceMan
If Iso flips scum, look for evidence of power wolfing.
Official Vote Count:
Bur (9) - GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel, Tordeck, Iso, D_V, Bur, Manders
tom (2) - Wildfire, Cyan
GJ (2) - TheIceMan, tom
Anak (1) - Cythare
Sir Chris (1) - Axelrod
Wildfire (1) - Sir Chris
Not Voting (0)
Official Empowerment Count:
D_V (5) - Manders, Cyan, Seppel, shadow, Tordeck
TheIceMan (3) - Wildfire, Axelrod, Bur
Seppel (2) - Sir Chris, D_V
Axelrod (2) - GJ, TheIceMan
Sir Chris (2) - Iso, Cythare
Wildfire (1) - Tom
Not Empowering (1): Anak
These are the lynch wagons.
I don't have any reads on players right now because I'm still totally swamped, but here's what I found interesting:
Tom empowered Wildfire but Wildfire is voting him.
GJ and Iceman empowered Axelrod together but Iceman is voting GJ.
Everyone who empowered D_V is on the Bur lynch except Cyan.
Anak didn't empower anyone.
This is the last official count before the lynch. Official Vote Count:
Bur (4) - GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel
tom (3) - Wildfire, Tordeck, Cyan
Anak (2) - Cythare, manders
GJ (2) - TheIceMan, tom
Sir Chris (1) - Axelrod
Wildfire (1) - Sir Chris
Not Voting (3): Iso, D_V, Bur
Official Empowerment Count:
DV (5) - Manders, Cyan, Seppel, Shadow, Tordeck
TheIceMan (2) - Wildfire, Axelrod
Seppel (2) - Sir Chris, D_V
Axelrod (2) - GJ, TheIceMan
Sir Chris (2) - Iso, Cythare
Wildfire (1) - tom
This tells me that everyone who wasn't voting piled on Bur in the space of about 50 posts.
I'd be a little surprised if they're all town on the back of that wagon, which I guess points to Proph possibly being right about Iso?
Something to think about anyway.
Also pretty much everything I said about the the lynch wagon is true here, which makes it unlikely to be a coincidence.
I suppose some people could just not be paying attention to where their empowerment counts are.
If someone like D_V that most people agree is town wants to give me a reads list I'll colorize them with that.
Otherwise, like Proph, it'll be closer to the end of December before I can do it myself, sorry.
@megs:
I guess my thoughts on your 78 are buried in there somewhere.
I didn't see IceMan's scumslip but I wouldn't be shocked since he's empowering someone with the person he's voting (not very good reasoning, but.)
If WF is scum his buddy is probably tom.
I have a gut read of town on Manders from skimming, but that could just be because she's pretty much a consensus read. What makes you think she's probably scum?
Open.
On another note, I think tom is likely to be town.
There's basically three choices here.
1) If tom is scum/scum with Seppel, the only reason he would vote him and say he's lying is if he thinks you're going to try to get Seppel lynched and he wants the town cred. I ~guess it could be distancing, but basically that means they're scum/scum and I believe Seppel's claim so this is pretty unlikely in my mind.
2) If tom is scum but Seppel isn't, he's relying on you to do what you just said you weren't going to do to get Seppel mislynched. This seems like a really awkward line, but I guess if it worked out he could have tried to get you lynched for lying right after if he doesn't actually believe you? But he probably would have actually claimed your messages to him in this world to try to force you to counterclaim, I think.
3) If tom is town, he doesn't want D_V to be lynched if he's neutral because that advances the scum win condition. But if he believes D_V, he probably wants Seppel lynched because he's lying.
I don't necessarily agree with lynching Seppel just for lying (see: GoldenEye), but I ~think tom is town here.
where my :ok_hand: emoji at
Since I'm not likely a night kill target I can provide the list after you flip or whatever.
Independent verification and whatnot.
Assuming you actually mean me and not shadow this time, I mean.
TOWN
Axelrod
Seppel
Tordeck
Manders
Cythare
Gentleman Johnny
TheIceMan
NULL
shadowlancerx
tomsloger
D_V
Sir Chris
Cyan
SCUM?
Wildfire393
Bur
Anaklusmos
Iso
Modgaming is dumb but just keep this in the back of your heads.
You know me.
you posted a player list and then a post that is "guys please don't do X" and literally copied and pasted a different post.
I mean if you have reads why do you have them?
I'll be honest: I mostly don't have reads on most players at this point. I'm not engaged enough to have formed them.
have any of the spectators connected with anybody?
because my inbox is conspicuously lacking in nudes and I want to see if I'm the only one sitting here with his dick in his hand, so to speak.
It's possible the other spectators did and are just talking to their lovers instead of in here with us, I guess?
@Seppel:
How do you want to do this? Did you use your link already?
Should I just link to you and send you a numbered list of passives and you can publicly reply with the numbers and yes/no?
what's the wait
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
wew lads
On another note, I did receive a partial ability list from Seppel.
Will do wagons closer to end of night when I get some time.
manders is scum again
wf prob scum
bongo did initiate his 1-way chat with me.
crys, comments on my 78? Or other post-lynch thoughts?
The main reason why I think Iso should be LOCKED UP is because I feel as though his long catch-up posts are designed more to make him look townier as opposed to actually solving the game. It strongly reminded me of the long reads posts /I/ do as scum. If you've been following Iso's recent games, you'll note that he has a history of making these sort of catch-up posts as scum. The way that he kept delaying doing so feels more characteristic of his scum game than his town game.
Like, if you compare his catch-up posts as town and scum:
ZDS's Normal (town): http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/739597-zedorkslipeurs-normal-murders-in-townville-game?page=7#c339
Off the Grid (scum): http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/759740-off-the-grid-ii-game-over-mafia-wins?page=5#c213
I'll do some more wagon analysis once December is over, but:
Bur- GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel, Todeck, Iso, DV, Bur, Manders
Tom- Wildfire, Cyan
Anak-Cythare
GJ - TheIceMan, tom
Sir Chris- Axelrod
WF - Sir Chris
Pretty sure Iso is the scum on the wagon here and everyone else is out in the middle of nowhere. Anak is also pretty likely to be scum, based off of this vote count:
Tordeck-DV, Cyan, anak, manders, tom
Bur- GJ, shadow
Wildfire- Sir Chris, Tordeck
Manders - Seppel
Anak - GJ
Anak -Cythare
DV - Wildfire
Sir Chris- Axelrod
Shadowlancer - TheIceMan
If Iso flips scum, look for evidence of power wolfing.
Official Vote Count:
Bur (9) - GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel, Tordeck, Iso, D_V, Bur, Manders
tom (2) - Wildfire, Cyan
GJ (2) - TheIceMan, tom
Anak (1) - Cythare
Sir Chris (1) - Axelrod
Wildfire (1) - Sir Chris
Not Voting (0)
Official Empowerment Count:
D_V (5) - Manders, Cyan, Seppel, shadow, Tordeck
TheIceMan (3) - Wildfire, Axelrod, Bur
Seppel (2) - Sir Chris, D_V
Axelrod (2) - GJ, TheIceMan
Sir Chris (2) - Iso, Cythare
Wildfire (1) - Tom
Not Empowering (1): Anak
These are the lynch wagons.
I don't have any reads on players right now because I'm still totally swamped, but here's what I found interesting:
Tom empowered Wildfire but Wildfire is voting him.
GJ and Iceman empowered Axelrod together but Iceman is voting GJ.
Everyone who empowered D_V is on the Bur lynch except Cyan.
Anak didn't empower anyone.
This is the last official count before the lynch.
Official Vote Count:
Bur (4) - GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel
tom (3) - Wildfire, Tordeck, Cyan
Anak (2) - Cythare, manders
GJ (2) - TheIceMan, tom
Sir Chris (1) - Axelrod
Wildfire (1) - Sir Chris
Not Voting (3): Iso, D_V, Bur
Official Empowerment Count:
DV (5) - Manders, Cyan, Seppel, Shadow, Tordeck
TheIceMan (2) - Wildfire, Axelrod
Seppel (2) - Sir Chris, D_V
Axelrod (2) - GJ, TheIceMan
Sir Chris (2) - Iso, Cythare
Wildfire (1) - tom
This tells me that everyone who wasn't voting piled on Bur in the space of about 50 posts.
I'd be a little surprised if they're all town on the back of that wagon, which I guess points to Proph possibly being right about Iso?
Something to think about anyway.
Also pretty much everything I said about the the lynch wagon is true here, which makes it unlikely to be a coincidence.
I suppose some people could just not be paying attention to where their empowerment counts are.
If someone like D_V that most people agree is town wants to give me a reads list I'll colorize them with that.
Otherwise, like Proph, it'll be closer to the end of December before I can do it myself, sorry.
I guess my thoughts on your 78 are buried in there somewhere.
I didn't see IceMan's scumslip but I wouldn't be shocked since he's empowering someone with the person he's voting (not very good reasoning, but.)
If WF is scum his buddy is probably tom.
I have a gut read of town on Manders from skimming, but that could just be because she's pretty much a consensus read. What makes you think she's probably scum?
they're textbook "i want to post after the lynch was decided but i don't have any actual value to contribute to the game"
there are some players i would not scumread for those posts fyi.
wf's snap vote after the DV nonsense is lolscum and actually makes more sense if he is voting his buddy
it's the ultimate one way chat
if u scum open one way chat with me pls