Here's a thought experiment: let's say I had an ability that would essentially "clear" me, but, at the cost of giving the scum an extra Night Kill. My default has been this is not worth it (let's call this one my "2" Empower).
Anyone disagree with that?
My "4" empower is better, but it does not "clear" me.
Shut up and claim in full to Cythare you gamethrowing monster.
There is absolutely zero reason for you to spill role information into the thread if you're town.
My frustration with you is incredibly high right now.
Imagine how sorry I am that you feel this way.
Can you imagine it?
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I really dislike your apathy on this. It is extremely important that everyone empowers publicly before the end of the Day. Do you not agree with that?
I agree with this, also, I think that if whoever we do end up lynching is scum, then we need to keep in mind the chance that they unempower before the flip.
Specifically at this very moment, if we lynch GJ, and he flips scum, if he ninja unempowers, I will not be able to use my ability.
So you're good with a scum WF killing another townie tomorrow? I assume you would lynch him if he does this?
I'm not "good" with him killing a Townie, no. I am actually quite the opposite and have made that very clear. If he were to kill another Townie tomorrow, he would be lynched, yes.
he so completely clammed up after the shot too, which is weird.
That's just completely untrue. His activity is exactly as it has been all game. He comes and goes. Also, literally, after the shot, he was here, defending his action as best he could, ITT.
@ Cythare: Did you claim how many empowerment you need? I forget and don't feel like looking it up.
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
Re: clammed up: I mean tonally. His answers to questions after the shot were very curt and to the point. He also provided no active analysis at the time to my recollection, simply responses to questions. This was very odd and quite different from the rest of this posts, even if the quantity was the same.
Explain to me how you know how much empowerment WF has remaining currently. Pro tip, mafia can freely transfer empowerment at any time, and once per game anyone can send their current empowerment at night to someone else, the rules don't say if if that is in thread or through PM.
You're operating on this assumption that WF has no empowerment and you can control how he gets it. Neither of those things are true
Anak.
Two things. One, this post is almost verbatim something I have said already in the thread. Your posts since I have joined the game have been nothing but regurgitation of points already made or superficial and superfluous analysis. You ignored me the last time I called you out. Please engage with me now. I don't care about what but I would like to see an original thought.
Two, I seem to recall you being much smarter as town in Tracker.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
I disagree.
But that is not what you said. You accused me of being "good with him killing another Townie." That's about as anti-Town as one can get, so yeah, I take issue with that.
Re: clammed up: I mean tonally. His answers to questions after the shot were very curt and to the point. He also provided no active analysis at the time to my recollection, simply responses to questions. This was very odd and quite different from the rest of this posts, even if the quantity was the same.
What was he supposed to analyze? We were all in hurry-up-and-wait mode. He's new. He's scared. He reacted exactly how I would expect him to.
TL;DR: I disagree.
I am going to do two things tonight. One, reread Sir Chris. Two, reread Iso. I will report my findings later.
I re-read the whole game and nothing stood out to me. Hopefully it does for you.
Here's a thought experiment: let's say I had an ability that would essentially "clear" me, but, at the cost of giving the scum an extra Night Kill. My default has been this is not worth it (let's call this one my "2" Empower).
Anyone disagree with that?
My "4" empower is better, but it does not "clear" me.
Shut up and claim in full to Cythare you gamethrowing monster.
There is absolutely zero reason for you to spill role information into the thread if you're town.
My frustration with you is incredibly high right now.
Imagine how sorry I am that you feel this way.
Can you imagine it?
I'm imagining you thinking, "I'm really sorry, Seppel. If I were town I'd be helping out but I have to be as stubborn as possible or else we can't win."
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
I disagree.
But that is not what you said. You accused me of being "good with him killing another Townie." That's about as anti-Town as one can get, so yeah, I take issue with that.
this is silly
when me and megs have talked about that, its not about anyone not wanting to lynch him actually being good with another town death
what youre saying when you dont lynch wildfire is that its worth the risk
i dont really think it is, because no. he is never leaving the poe.
talked myself back into it
lets let gj be outed scum for another day vote wildfire
So you're good with a scum WF killing another townie tomorrow? I assume you would lynch him if he does this?
I'm not "good" with him killing a Townie, no. I am actually quite the opposite and have made that very clear. If he were to kill another Townie tomorrow, he would be lynched, yes.
he so completely clammed up after the shot too, which is weird.
That's just completely untrue. His activity is exactly as it has been all game. He comes and goes. Also, literally, after the shot, he was here, defending his action as best he could, ITT.
@ Cythare: Did you claim how many empowerment you need? I forget and don't feel like looking it up.
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
Re: clammed up: I mean tonally. His answers to questions after the shot were very curt and to the point. He also provided no active analysis at the time to my recollection, simply responses to questions. This was very odd and quite different from the rest of this posts, even if the quantity was the same.
Explain to me how you know how much empowerment WF has remaining currently. Pro tip, mafia can freely transfer empowerment at any time, and once per game anyone can send their current empowerment at night to someone else, the rules don't say if if that is in thread or through PM.
You're operating on this assumption that WF has no empowerment and you can control how he gets it. Neither of those things are true
Anak.
Two things. One, this post is almost verbatim something I have said already in the thread. Your posts since I have joined the game have been nothing but regurgitation of points already made or superficial and superfluous analysis. You ignored me the last time I called you out. Please engage with me now. I don't care about what but I would like to see an original thought.
Two, I seem to recall you being much smarter as town in Tracker.
Then I got lucky, I'm not a particularly smart player. Though this game in particular I don't have a good handle on, I just do what I can, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
An original thought? Say I get lynched, and flip town, who would you think most likely to be scum? If it's GJ, who else?
@Cyth I see your question, will compile my answer shortly
why does role have anything to do with his alignment?
disclaimer: I also know his role.
then you also know he claimed it to multiple townies, used it in a protown way, and hasnt really tried to get any credit for that
not that he deserves a lot of credit really, but he deserves a little and didnt try to get it.
but again, meh
if my current plan happens and the game doesnt seem like its ending, dont just trust DV forever
hes not infallible, and cyth is certainly capable of pocketing him hard
Megs is obvious at this point, zomg carrying over from TIM. If Cyan was scum he wouldn't be so stubborn on reads while simultaneously doing rather little to actually push through his lynches, see me still being here as the best example. Seppel I don't think makes that neutral gambit as scum, to me that's something he would do as town trying to gather information to use once he actually claims. For the record I don't believe his role is as claimed at all.
well, somebody empower seppel
lower priority than cyth/shadow, but still
Permanent Empowerment is also a passive, for that matter.
If you don't trust me, don't empower me. Even though my ultimate is sweet and can catch all liars, there are better people to empower at this point in the game.
So Tom. Assuming that you get this mislynch on WF pushed through, and he flips town, who do you think are the 3 scum?
if wildfire is town, and we have exactly 4 scum...
then you should still just look at my reads post, rainbow wall, and preferred lynch order that ive already posted today
It would have literally taken you less words to just type 3 names than it would to give that condescending answer. Also, you post 700 times per day, there is no reasonable expectation to go dig through everything to answer a simple question.
Megs is obvious at this point, zomg carrying over from TIM. If Cyan was scum he wouldn't be so stubborn on reads while simultaneously doing rather little to actually push through his lynches, see me still being here as the best example. Seppel I don't think makes that neutral gambit as scum, to me that's something he would do as town trying to gather information to use once he actually claims. For the record I don't believe his role is as claimed at all.
ok.
i like this read on cyan
and it flows pretty naturally with his thoughts on the manders/cyan slapfight and read on manders
its a narrative that makes sense to me
i might even agree
why do people want to lynch anak?
i know some people want to, but apparently none of the reasons stayed in my brain
So Tom. Assuming that you get this mislynch on WF pushed through, and he flips town, who do you think are the 3 scum?
if wildfire is town, and we have exactly 4 scum...
then you should still just look at my reads post, rainbow wall, and preferred lynch order that ive already posted today
It would have literally taken you less words to just type 3 names than it would to give that condescending answer. Also, you post 700 times per day, there is no reasonable expectation to go dig through everything to answer a simple question.
im not really about building a team though, so i dont have that answer for you
i just want to lynch people i dont think are town
other than gj, my townreads are all stronger than my scumreads
maybe something like gj/manders/axel?
idk
it kinda fits together and also its just my bottom 4 except wildfire
I don't really see how you can think MH is scum at this point. There's no way that she faked that 5 Empower ability. But the scum pretty much have to kill her, so, I'll just let that work itself out.
I don't really see how you can think MH is scum at this point. There's no way that she faked that 5 Empower ability. But the scum pretty much have to kill her, so, I'll just let that work itself out.
i like that you say this sort of thing because im pretty sure you know full well that its just further evidence to lynch you if manders flips scum
but come on.
if you believe wildfire to be town, why shouldnt scum have the ability to take away someone's ability to kill?
plus randomized roles and *****
she could be scum with that ability
town with that ability
or scum fakeclaiming
probably not town fakeclaiming. shes not me/dv/seppel...
but no. that unproven claim doesnt even move the needle on manders
wildfire is by no means new. he's been playing for like two years now.
I agree that he was scared. But why would a townie be scared in this spot?
Because he ****ed up and might get lynched for it. How is that even a question? Yeah, Townies shouldn't care about dying, but we inevitably do just because we enjoy the game and want to keep playing.
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
I disagree.
But that is not what you said. You accused me of being "good with him killing another Townie." That's about as anti-Town as one can get, so yeah, I take issue with that.
this is silly
when me and megs have talked about that, its not about anyone not wanting to lynch him actually being good with another town death
what youre saying when you dont lynch wildfire is that its worth the risk
i dont really think it is, because no. he is never leaving the poe.
talked myself back into it
lets let gj be outed scum for another day vote wildfire
If you don't trust me, don't empower me. Even though my ultimate is sweet and can catch all liars, there are better people to empower at this point in the game.
Well, now, wait a minute. That sounds pretty intriguing. How much does it cost?
Seppel - Town
tomsloger - Town
Cythare - Town
Zomgarcwind - Town
Megiddo - Town
Axelrod - Need to review
shadowlancerx - Need to review
Manders - Need to review
Wildfire393 - Need to review
Anaklusmos - Need to review
Cyan - Need to review
Gentleman Johnny - Likely scum
I have fewer solid townreads than expected. I feel like I'm forgetting something.
So what do you propose the rest of us DO with our empowerment? Because ending the day with anyone not empowering someone is a terrible idea.
I want to hear what zomg wants before I move forward with this, but if it's 2 or less, then my preference is:
I get 2
shadow gets 2
tom needs 0
Megiddo needs 0
zomg gets 2
Cyan gets 4
Seppel gets 2
That maths out to exactly the right amount of empowerment, leaving Manders, Wildfire, GJ, Anak, and Axel with 0 each. I moved Seppel down to the bottom because, assuming zomg has an ability worth empowering for 2, the other people are all better to have empowered, and worst case, if scum is lynched and unempowers, Seppel can lean on his 0. I would like Seppel's 2 empowerers to be exactly GJ and Wildfire.
That works for me. I don't think it really matters who empowers who other than GJ/Wildfire, but having a clear plan is still better. I still want zomg to confirm that he would actually make use of the 2, though.
@Tom: The part that I don't think she could make up is the part where she says we win the game if the mafia can't perform their NK. Why would that role ever land on a scum? Plus, I'm not sure she could even take away WF's kill. It's not a traditional killing role, it's a 'vote someone before they vote you and that person dies'.
@Tom: The part that I don't think she could make up is the part where she says we win the game if the mafia can't perform their NK. Why would that role ever land on a scum? Plus, I'm not sure she could even take away WF's kill. It's not a traditional killing role, it's a 'vote someone before they vote you and that person dies'.
This is probably very true, but I don't know and I doubt Az would tell me.
Imagine how sorry I am that you feel this way.
Can you imagine it?
shadow needs 2
i need 0
seppel needs to be able to prove his ability, but no one has claimed a passive anyway afaik...
zomg i dont know
none for wildfire. none for gj. none for manders. none for anak. none for axel. none for cyan.
thats my empowerment plan
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I agree with this, also, I think that if whoever we do end up lynching is scum, then we need to keep in mind the chance that they unempower before the flip.
Specifically at this very moment, if we lynch GJ, and he flips scum, if he ninja unempowers, I will not be able to use my ability.
Empower Shadow
You need 4, right?
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Cythare has 2 still, and getting you to 4 sounds good to me.
Re: being good with it: Somebody else I already forgot pointed out that WF is almost certainly never leaving the POE pile. I think it's best to deal with him sooner than later.
Re: clammed up: I mean tonally. His answers to questions after the shot were very curt and to the point. He also provided no active analysis at the time to my recollection, simply responses to questions. This was very odd and quite different from the rest of this posts, even if the quantity was the same.
Noting this one for later.
Anak.
Two things. One, this post is almost verbatim something I have said already in the thread. Your posts since I have joined the game have been nothing but regurgitation of points already made or superficial and superfluous analysis. You ignored me the last time I called you out. Please engage with me now. I don't care about what but I would like to see an original thought.
Two, I seem to recall you being much smarter as town in Tracker.
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But that is not what you said. You accused me of being "good with him killing another Townie." That's about as anti-Town as one can get, so yeah, I take issue with that.
What was he supposed to analyze? We were all in hurry-up-and-wait mode. He's new. He's scared. He reacted exactly how I would expect him to.
TL;DR: I disagree.
I re-read the whole game and nothing stood out to me. Hopefully it does for you.
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I agree that he was scared. But why would a townie be scared in this spot?
I'll gift my 3 empowerment to one of them. Perhaps an interpretive dance will help me decide.
TIM is a Miller, that's a passive.
I'm imagining you thinking, "I'm really sorry, Seppel. If I were town I'd be helping out but I have to be as stubborn as possible or else we can't win."
when me and megs have talked about that, its not about anyone not wanting to lynch him actually being good with another town death
what youre saying when you dont lynch wildfire is that its worth the risk
i dont really think it is, because no. he is never leaving the poe.
talked myself back into it
lets let gj be outed scum for another day
vote wildfire
1) I forgot about DV's stupid neutral claim fiasco. Chris liked Tom as scum for that.
2) Chris did not think Wildfire was town.
Next is Iso.
well, somebody empower seppel
lower priority than cyth/shadow, but still
Why is he town?
probably one of the first people i would reconsider on in the town block if we get to that point tbh.
but i feel pretty good about my current poe
thats the main thing.
disclaimer: I also know his role.
Then I got lucky, I'm not a particularly smart player. Though this game in particular I don't have a good handle on, I just do what I can, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
An original thought? Say I get lynched, and flip town, who would you think most likely to be scum? If it's GJ, who else?
@Cyth I see your question, will compile my answer shortly
not that he deserves a lot of credit really, but he deserves a little and didnt try to get it.
but again, meh
if my current plan happens and the game doesnt seem like its ending, dont just trust DV forever
hes not infallible, and cyth is certainly capable of pocketing him hard
who are your top town?
besides me
obviously
Megs
Zomg
Cyan
Seppel
Megs is obvious at this point, zomg carrying over from TIM. If Cyan was scum he wouldn't be so stubborn on reads while simultaneously doing rather little to actually push through his lynches, see me still being here as the best example. Seppel I don't think makes that neutral gambit as scum, to me that's something he would do as town trying to gather information to use once he actually claims. For the record I don't believe his role is as claimed at all.
Permanent Empowerment is also a passive, for that matter.
If you don't trust me, don't empower me. Even though my ultimate is sweet and can catch all liars, there are better people to empower at this point in the game.
then you should still just look at my reads post, rainbow wall, and preferred lynch order that ive already posted today
It would have literally taken you less words to just type 3 names than it would to give that condescending answer. Also, you post 700 times per day, there is no reasonable expectation to go dig through everything to answer a simple question.
i like this read on cyan
and it flows pretty naturally with his thoughts on the manders/cyan slapfight and read on manders
its a narrative that makes sense to me
i might even agree
why do people want to lynch anak?
i know some people want to, but apparently none of the reasons stayed in my brain
i just want to lynch people i dont think are town
other than gj, my townreads are all stronger than my scumreads
maybe something like gj/manders/axel?
idk
it kinda fits together and also its just my bottom 4 except wildfire
is that enough for you?
Wildfire- GJ, Anak, Tom
GJ- Cyth, MH, Cyan
With 12 alive, 7 to lynch
Official Empowerment Count:
Seppel - Cyth
Cyth- Seppel, WF
MH- Axelrod
Shadow - Tom, GJ, Cyan
Cyan - Shadow, MH
but come on.
if you believe wildfire to be town, why shouldnt scum have the ability to take away someone's ability to kill?
plus randomized roles and *****
she could be scum with that ability
town with that ability
or scum fakeclaiming
probably not town fakeclaiming. shes not me/dv/seppel...
but no. that unproven claim doesnt even move the needle on manders
The bolded is literally what Megs said, but w/e.
Did you get a response?
I love D_V and I wish he was still in the game....but he doesn't always have the best scumdar. This makes me a lot less sure about Cythare.
Well, now, wait a minute. That sounds pretty intriguing. How much does it cost?
You don't remember because you've glossed over it the entire game. Go re-read him. It won't take that long.
These people need to empower someone before the end of the Day:
Anaklusmos
Gentleman Johnny
Zomgarcwind
Cyan
Megiddo
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tomsloger - Town
Cythare - Town
Zomgarcwind - Town
Megiddo - Town
Axelrod - Need to review
shadowlancerx - Need to review
Manders - Need to review
Wildfire393 - Need to review
Anaklusmos - Need to review
Cyan - Need to review
Gentleman Johnny - Likely scum
I have fewer solid townreads than expected. I feel like I'm forgetting something.
And we have at least 2 in the game currently. Lame.
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I get 2
shadow gets 2
tom needs 0
Megiddo needs 0
zomg gets 2
Cyan gets 4
Seppel gets 2
That maths out to exactly the right amount of empowerment, leaving Manders, Wildfire, GJ, Anak, and Axel with 0 each. I moved Seppel down to the bottom because, assuming zomg has an ability worth empowering for 2, the other people are all better to have empowered, and worst case, if scum is lynched and unempowers, Seppel can lean on his 0. I would like Seppel's 2 empowerers to be exactly GJ and Wildfire.
I find that I'm frequently scumread and mislynched when I'm more of a presence, so I decided to take a different route this game.
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shadow gets 2
tom needs 0
Megiddo needs 0
zomg gets 2
Cyan gets 4
Seppel gets 2
Here's the plan simplified:
GJ empowers Seppel
WF empowers Seppel
Cythare empowers ZOMG
Axelrod empowers Cythare
Tom empowers Cyan
ZOMG empowers Cyan
Megiddo empowers ZOMG
That results in:
Seppel - GJ, WF
ZOMG - Cyth
Cyth- Seppel, Axelrod
Shadow - Tom, Cyan
Cyan - Shadow, MH, ZOMG, Tom
Also note that Megs has 5 empowerment to dump. It could go to Shadow.
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is it this world? i do not know. but i'm raising it as an option.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'll ask him, though.
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