Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't play ball by actively trying to please people who attack me by way of indirect snark (which is what Manders did). I'm here to find scum and have fun, I see zero reason to put up with or acknowledge someone's antagonistic crap. So when someone implies I should give them reads in a demeaning way, I'm not going to jump up and be an obedient puppy.
It doesn't seem at all strange to you that Manders no longer cared for my reads though? Unless I'm 100% scum from her perspective, wouldn't they still be of some value? But if I am 100% scum, then her vote should be on me. It can't be both ways, which is why I think it comes from a scummier mindset.
This whole post feels insanely forced. You're here to "find scum and have fun" - of course! But you had to make sure we knew that, right? You're conjuring up this idea that Manders is scum because she pressured you into some activity and then decided she didn't want your reads any more. It's kind of weird, but it's certainly not a scumtell and you're trying to make it into one. Unvote. Vote shadowlancerx.
It just doesn't feel like Manders is playing a pro town game. I will concede that my dislike of her so far in this game is probably affecting my read.
I brought up fun because the spirit of the game is important to me, and if people are going beyond that to take cheap shots, it takes away from that.
How is making a joke about voting for Trump such an egregious "cheap shot"?
Like, seriously, you guys remember that is what started all this, right?
It has nothing to who with who was voted for, I would have made the exact same comment had you said "you probably voted for Hilary didn't you?" The point is that that sort of comment is not wanted here. And my dislike of you has nothing to do with that comment anyway.
How is making a joke about voting for Trump such an egregious "cheap shot"?
Like, seriously, you guys remember that is what started all this, right?
It has nothing to who with who was voted for, I would have made the exact same comment had you said "you probably voted for Hilary didn't you?" The point is that that sort of comment is not wanted here. And my dislike of you has nothing to do with that comment anyway.
1) If that is the case, you need to lighten up.
2) Bull*****. You don't like me because I was aggressive and hurt your feelings. I was aggressive and hurt your feelings because you had the audacity to try to dictate what I say. There is a direct correllation.
I chose a bad time to stop being my usually serious self. You guys sound really grumpy. I can go back to my angry mask if we need more rage in this thread.
So, I am going to say I am surprised DV isn't picking up more town reads. He is coming off insanely game solvey, and his tone sounds really genuine. Thunderoming two nights ago made me feel pretty good about this read and I am going with it.
Axel, if there was a rank, is turning into one of my stronger town reads just for his posts. Again, game solvey, very relevent point about Seppel's passive trash, and seems like he is actively trying to prod and put reads out.
TIM, I feel is on a different page from me, but I am not feeling anything really bad coming from him.
tom, I haven't liked a few of his posts, or really anything he has done towards me. Like, he clearly understands the art of the dance, but then seems astonished that I don't feel pressured. I really feel like his pushed on people have been pretty shallow and a lot more commentary than hunting.
Rest of the people need to post more. I think I have far too many nulls into the mid of day 1.
Shadow, I am going back on my wolf lean and moving him to null. I am seeing some promising posts, and may change my tune here.
Iso, is pretty much a paranoid read. He feels really low impact than I would expect from Iso at this stage. As weird as it is to say, he feels like he is acting like SC, spitting out town reads, rather than shoving wolves. Both are good traits, but it just strikes me as weird.
Seppel is clearly lying based on Axel's point about his win condition being impossible to achieve. I just don't think he is the best lynch for today and hope he is dealt with tonight in someway.
Take the anger out. We are all friends here trying to play a game for fun. I don't think anyone's purpose here is to purposefully antagonize someone. Let's just be peaceful, and find the filthy wolves.
Spent a bunch of time catching up on the thread tonight, so will be able to sound coherent going forward.
Some quick hit thoughts:
Shadow is coming off as town to me in how he is conversing with Manders. Being a relatively new player, I remembering having conversations similar in tone with her, in trying to explain my position and rational as a town player.
Tom, you state that you don't have a great handle on the game yet. Makes sense as someone who reacts to the game as you do, but how long would that have to continue until you become concerned that you don't have that handle yet?
I believe WF is on the incompetent side instead of the scum side. I know I pay way more attention to the details and minutiae of my posts as scum, trying to make sure they are perfectly in order. The fact that he would miss things tells me he isn't doing that, as a result I don't see scum from him.
So wildfire is town because he made mistakes
That's a weird read
Like, I get that town is less careful about that sort of thing
But it feels too east
Whatever.
@anak
If I don't get drawn in by something, eventually I'll figure out a way
Don't worry your pretty little head
Thought I posted this earlier, I guess not. This is re: something WF said a couple of pages back(I think it was WF)
DV is like my top town read, so I don't know what you're on about there. Also, Empower: DV As for Anak. I thought that the initial post that I quoted was scummy, and his reactions were so, so much worse. Content with my vote there.
Usually permanent (9): Miller, Godfather, Double-voter (confirmed by Chris), Untargetable, Unlynchable, ???, ???, ???, ???
Usually temporary (3): Doc protect, ???, ???
Who knows (2): Shell-shocked by Doom Cannon, ???
Dear god I hope they aren't in the game (2): ???, ???
Clarification on that last category: There are two passives that I can see getting out of hand that could very likely have me at endgame if they exist in the game and I don't find their cause early enough.
YES REALLY AND I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARENT EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
It has nothing to do with me being excited about it. It has to do with it being completely incompatible with your own claim.
HERE ARE MY ABILITIES:
0-TEST A TARGET PLAYER FOR HAVING PASSIVE ABILITIES AND TEMPORARILY (time unspecified and I asked Azrael about it) BLOCK THE TARGET FROM HAVING THEM IF THEY DO. I DONT LEARN WHAT THE PASSIVE IS, JUST WHETHER OR NOT I BLOCKED A PASSIVE.
2-MOVE ALL OF TARGET PLAYER'S PASSIVE ABILITIES TO ANOTHER TARGET PLAYER.
I WIN AND LEAVE THE GAME WHEN NOBODY HAS THEIR ORIGINAL PASSIVE ABILITIES
By definition, you cannot "target" an "untargetable" player. Which means that you cannot, in fact, win. Unless you think the actual ability is: "You are Untargetable except for this one guy who actually needs to be able to target you to win with this cool role I made...."
I already confirmed with Az that I can target the untargetable. So either there isn't one in the game or this is a cool role that Az made.
As written, it shouldn't work, but Az has assured me it does. So that's that.
@Wildfire: Tom was scum in Three Little Pigs where he DAZZLED everyone.
Neat, I don't seem to have to convince people that D_V and Axel are town, that's always nice. Maybe I am just paranoid but the people now voting Manders at least one of them makes me think they are scum who saw I was like "well if no one is going to scum talk Manders guess she is town" and they were like "oh no!" or something. I know shadow has posted but I can't remember anything, and that might have just been me being in a blur or he may not have said anything while posting, and Tom has been making posts that make me want to glaze over them as well.
By the way all the people town reading me, if I could get 1 more empowerment I'd be very satisfied, my empowerment beyond that is not something I will be needing any time soon but my one I get at 2 is pretty funny.
One thing I find.... interesting, is that GJ and I are apparently reading the game very similarly. If you had put my name on that reads list it wouldn't have been too far off what I am thinking for the most part. I haven't really liked GJ much so far but that's... giving me pause. Although now my paranoid side is imagining GJ literally trying to copy a lot of my reads as scum as part of a mind game, as I have been told GJ's scum game is quite epic.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
How is making a joke about voting for Trump such an egregious "cheap shot"?
Like, seriously, you guys remember that is what started all this, right?
It has nothing to who with who was voted for, I would have made the exact same comment had you said "you probably voted for Hilary didn't you?" The point is that that sort of comment is not wanted here. And my dislike of you has nothing to do with that comment anyway.
1) If that is the case, you need to lighten up.
2) Bull*****. You don't like me because I was aggressive and hurt your feelings. I was aggressive and hurt your feelings because you had the audacity to try to dictate what I say. There is a direct correllation.
This reminds me, I never commented on who I voted for. I voted for Hillary and was a huge Bernie supporter, just because I have 15 years of mafia experience telling me to trust myself and to have faith in my ability to get good reads doesn't make me an egomaniac, although some like to paint me as that because I am blunt with my confidence, I'm never afraid to change reads and to shift direction if I feel I've made an error, it's the part of my game I am proudest of: my flexibility.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
So wildfire is town because he made mistakes
That's a weird read
Like, I get that town is less careful about that sort of thing
But it feels too east
Whatever.
@anak
If I don't get drawn in by something, eventually I'll figure out a way
Don't worry your pretty little head
vote manders
Empower DV
By the way if Wildfire is town Tom is 100% scum for this post, and he may be scum regardless. Tom your first game was with me in Predator where I butchered scum on the basis of getting town reads with this very same principle. It may or may not be true here with WF, but I know I seared into everyone's minds (and you've played with me a few times) the principle behind flawed games being town games a lot.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
By the way if Wildfire is town Tom is 100% scum for this post, and he may be scum regardless. Tom your first game was with me in Predator where I butchered scum on the basis of getting town reads with this very same principle. It may or may not be true here with WF, but I know I seared into everyone's minds (and you've played with me a few times) the principle behind flawed games being town games a lot.
it is weird that wildfire is getting townread for ******* up
if thats a real thing you believe in, that scum dont make mistakes, im not sure what to tell you
i would say the opposite is true for me, because as town i actually bother to take notes
well, notes i would reference while posting
i get that town is flawed.
what i dont agree with is that flawed is inherently town.
If you bother to take notes as town then why are you acting as if my vote isn't on WF?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
If you bother to take notes as town then why are you acting as if my vote isn't on WF?
so why am I scum if wildfire is town?
For pointing out an odd thing you apparently agree with me on?
Why is your current vote germane to the discussion?
(Besides the fact that if wildfire is town you become more likely scum for attempting to chain mislynches)
Hace any of you ever even replaced into a game? If you're town it can be a bit boring and tough to slog through 10 pages of D1 posts. It's easy to get lazy and not check your work. If you're scum then it's a different ballgame, you're paranoid because you just replaced into game as scum and want to make a good first impression. Not to mention that Wildfire was careless before he/she even (apparently) read their role PM. Like, for all the people who are disagreeing with this logic, please explain it to me.
I'm not a big fan of Chris attacking Tom who thinks WF is scum for the same reasons. It's beating around the bush, trivial content and thoughts really.
I don't think you know what beating around the bush or trivial means. Especially beating around the bush.
I have replaced in bunches. Don't think it is indicative and your generalization has little actual value.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
I, too, have replaced into many games. Whether I replace in or not, I pay closer attention as Town than Scum. I know several others who do the same. Therefore it is not outside the realm of possibility that the mistakes he's made, which are obviously caused by not paying close attention when reading, are because he is Scum and simply didn't pay attention on his re-read. He saw what he thought would be an easy lynch and proceeded to create a case to help it along. He twisted everything I did into a Scum action.
This is why I will not unvote before he addresses all the issues I and others have had with his play. Once he does so...we'll see where I stand.
@ Sir Chris: I'm not sure why you felt the need to discuss who you voted for, but ok. My own beliefs on that subject seem to align with yours, but I think you could already tell that.
And yeah you're saying now that you just believe she wasn't an auto lock but "all I see is bleh" in response to people suggesting she's town sounds a lot stronger than that.
Seriously? It sounds like the most neutral statement ever. Nobody feels strongly about "bleh." It is literally a statement of apathy. It was obvious to me that D_V just didn't see anything Town from me (though I suspect he has since he said that.)
Tell me about your day 1 issues, wildfire
I seem to recall you outliving me in both the games we played together, though those were my first two games
Let's see... day one lynched in Night Mafia and XKCD, and I've been day one wagoned in basically every game I've played in. Sure, I've made it to day 2 more often than not but people are always all up my ass at the start of the game.
If this is how you always play, I am not surprised.
How many times have you been Scum?
oh my god y'all, Manders is scum. These are just busywork questions, even Proph has been caught doing posts like this in past games. Kinda odd that the other vets don't notice this.
But whatever. I found a scum for you. The rest will cost ya.
Compare her responses to things when she's responding to someone vs. starting a new line of questioning.
The former she has stuff to work with, so she had real logic and emotions to work off of. The latter is empty garbage, and you can see how she's trying to mentally shift gears but it's just *not working*.
Thought I posted this earlier, I guess not. This is re: something WF said a couple of pages back(I think it was WF)
DV is like my top town read, so I don't know what you're on about there. Also, Empower: DV As for Anak. I thought that the initial post that I quoted was scummy, and his reactions were so, so much worse. Content with my vote there.
I'm extremely disappointed this is all you had to say. Like, SO much happened over the weekend, and THIS is it?
I typically find the opposite. Scum tends to pay more attention to the game state.
Obviously it could be either as we have several who've stated they pay closer attention as Town and several who've stated they pay closer attention as Scum.
Compare her responses to things when she's responding to someone vs. starting a new line of questioning.
The former she has stuff to work with, so she had real logic and emotions to work off of. The latter is empty garbage, and you can see how she's trying to mentally shift gears but it's just *not working*.
I'm so glad I know you're either Neutral, as you claimed, or Town. This is not your Scum game.
You're wrong about me, though. As usual when I'm Town.
I am at work so I can only post very quick thoughts, I'll hit you up in 2-3 hours babe
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang) 2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer 2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator) 2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia 2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational 2015 - Best Town Player 2015 - Best Mafia Player 2015 - Best Overall Player
This is your one chance to back off your claim, admit you were lying, and start actually hunting instead of chasing shadows.
Since he responded to Axelrod that he can, in fact, target the untargetable passive ability holding player, it's pretty obvious he's not backing off his claim.
This is your one chance to back off your claim, admit you were lying, and start actually hunting instead of chasing shadows.
Since he responded to Axelrod that he can, in fact, target the untargetable passive ability holding player, it's pretty obvious he's not backing off his claim.
Why did you even bother with this statement?
Because I think that claim is utter bull*****, that's why.
I am curious, why do you care what I am doing with my time? Unless you think Seppel just has this demi-mod amount about the information, and his ability can target an untargetable that may or may not be in this game, and I am simply wasting my time.
This is your one chance to back off your claim, admit you were lying, and start actually hunting instead of chasing shadows.
Since he responded to Axelrod that he can, in fact, target the untargetable passive ability holding player, it's pretty obvious he's not backing off his claim.
Why did you even bother with this statement?
Because I think that claim is utter bull*****, that's why.
I am curious, why do you care what I am doing with my time? Unless you think Seppel just has this demi-mod amount about the information, and his ability can target an untargetable that may or may not be in this game, and I am simply wasting my time.
How can such an easily verifiable claim be 'utter bull*****'? Why would someone even bother making it?
But also because you're not really doing anything else other than rage at people and try to get Tom to pressure you. I recall a reads list (of sorts) I think you made while I was sleeping last night, but that's how much of an impression it made: I just barely remember it exists. (And that might have been someone else, not you.)
You don't seem very engaged, yet you're one of the top posters. This bothers me, so yeah, why are you wasting time on the claimed Neutral Today?
I'm going on record (I think I already said this, but I may have just thought it) as saying that, if Seppel's claim is true, it's sexy as **** and I love it. Best neutral role ever.
You have given me no reason to take you any seriously. Hell, if mander's vote count is correct, the only current vote on me is Cythare from the RVS stage. This is what I am talking about. You wanna roleplay, or direct emotion at some weak ass plebs, go nuts. But you still have to push some form of a case. You feel really waffley on Wildfire as well.
@Manders: Is my list then just consensus? You have absolutely no issue it, want me to flesh out a particular read, or think I am wrong to move shadow out of my wolf reads? You were having a go at Shadow yesterday, which is why you probably didn't notice it.
@tom: You managed to be hunty in Trigger Happy. Why is that not showing up here?
I've been slammed at work coming back from the holiday. So, I am hoping to be able to put some time into this tomorrow. (technically, I could probably do something tonight, but I'm so tired that sounds like utter misery right now).
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Quote from Bateleur »
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
It just doesn't feel like Manders is playing a pro town game. I will concede that my dislike of her so far in this game is probably affecting my read.
I brought up fun because the spirit of the game is important to me, and if people are going beyond that to take cheap shots, it takes away from that.
Like, seriously, you guys remember that is what started all this, right?
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
It has nothing to who with who was voted for, I would have made the exact same comment had you said "you probably voted for Hilary didn't you?" The point is that that sort of comment is not wanted here. And my dislike of you has nothing to do with that comment anyway.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
1) If that is the case, you need to lighten up.
2) Bull*****. You don't like me because I was aggressive and hurt your feelings. I was aggressive and hurt your feelings because you had the audacity to try to dictate what I say. There is a direct correllation.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
Top Town:
Axel
DV
Lean Town
SC
TIM
Manders
Null (for reads)
Shadow
Iso
Seppel
Null (for low information)
Cythare
Bur
Tordeck
Cyan
Wolf Leans
Wildfire
Anak
tom
So, I am going to say I am surprised DV isn't picking up more town reads. He is coming off insanely game solvey, and his tone sounds really genuine. Thunderoming two nights ago made me feel pretty good about this read and I am going with it.
Axel, if there was a rank, is turning into one of my stronger town reads just for his posts. Again, game solvey, very relevent point about Seppel's passive trash, and seems like he is actively trying to prod and put reads out.
TIM, I feel is on a different page from me, but I am not feeling anything really bad coming from him.
tom, I haven't liked a few of his posts, or really anything he has done towards me. Like, he clearly understands the art of the dance, but then seems astonished that I don't feel pressured. I really feel like his pushed on people have been pretty shallow and a lot more commentary than hunting.
Rest of the people need to post more. I think I have far too many nulls into the mid of day 1.
Shadow, I am going back on my wolf lean and moving him to null. I am seeing some promising posts, and may change my tune here.
Iso, is pretty much a paranoid read. He feels really low impact than I would expect from Iso at this stage. As weird as it is to say, he feels like he is acting like SC, spitting out town reads, rather than shoving wolves. Both are good traits, but it just strikes me as weird.
Seppel is clearly lying based on Axel's point about his win condition being impossible to achieve. I just don't think he is the best lynch for today and hope he is dealt with tonight in someway.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Empower Axel
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
Some quick hit thoughts:
Shadow is coming off as town to me in how he is conversing with Manders. Being a relatively new player, I remembering having conversations similar in tone with her, in trying to explain my position and rational as a town player.
Tom, you state that you don't have a great handle on the game yet. Makes sense as someone who reacts to the game as you do, but how long would that have to continue until you become concerned that you don't have that handle yet?
I believe WF is on the incompetent side instead of the scum side. I know I pay way more attention to the details and minutiae of my posts as scum, trying to make sure they are perfectly in order. The fact that he would miss things tells me he isn't doing that, as a result I don't see scum from him.
Unvote
That's a weird read
Like, I get that town is less careful about that sort of thing
But it feels too east
Whatever.
@anak
If I don't get drawn in by something, eventually I'll figure out a way
Don't worry your pretty little head
vote manders
Empower DV
Please empower me.
3 more would be nice.
Unofficial Vote Count:
GJ - Cythare
Anak - GJ, Cyan
Manders - Seppel, Shadow, Tom
Sir Chris- Axelrod
Tom- TheIceMan
Wildfire- Manders, Sir Chris, Tordeck
DV- Wildfire
Shadow- TheIceMan
9 to lynch
Unofficial Empowerment Count:
Sir Chris - Iso
Seppel - DV, Sir Chris
Axelrod - Manders, GJ
DV - Tom
OK, but I need yours Tomorrow.
Unvote, Empower Vote: D_V
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
DV is like my top town read, so I don't know what you're on about there. Also, Empower: DV As for Anak. I thought that the initial post that I quoted was scummy, and his reactions were so, so much worse. Content with my vote there.
i say we give him a bunch
town: TIM-DV
fine for now: axel-chris-megs
needs pressure: manders-johnny-wf
lock scum: vaimes
Usually permanent (9): Miller, Godfather, Double-voter (confirmed by Chris), Untargetable, Unlynchable, ???, ???, ???, ???
Usually temporary (3): Doc protect, ???, ???
Who knows (2): Shell-shocked by Doom Cannon, ???
Dear god I hope they aren't in the game (2): ???, ???
Clarification on that last category: There are two passives that I can see getting out of hand that could very likely have me at endgame if they exist in the game and I don't find their cause early enough. I already confirmed with Az that I can target the untargetable. So either there isn't one in the game or this is a cool role that Az made.
As written, it shouldn't work, but Az has assured me it does. So that's that.
@Wildfire: Tom was scum in Three Little Pigs where he DAZZLED everyone.
i am slacking.
By the way all the people town reading me, if I could get 1 more empowerment I'd be very satisfied, my empowerment beyond that is not something I will be needing any time soon but my one I get at 2 is pretty funny.
One thing I find.... interesting, is that GJ and I are apparently reading the game very similarly. If you had put my name on that reads list it wouldn't have been too far off what I am thinking for the most part. I haven't really liked GJ much so far but that's... giving me pause. Although now my paranoid side is imagining GJ literally trying to copy a lot of my reads as scum as part of a mind game, as I have been told GJ's scum game is quite epic.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
This reminds me, I never commented on who I voted for. I voted for Hillary and was a huge Bernie supporter, just because I have 15 years of mafia experience telling me to trust myself and to have faith in my ability to get good reads doesn't make me an egomaniac, although some like to paint me as that because I am blunt with my confidence, I'm never afraid to change reads and to shift direction if I feel I've made an error, it's the part of my game I am proudest of: my flexibility.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
By the way if Wildfire is town Tom is 100% scum for this post, and he may be scum regardless. Tom your first game was with me in Predator where I butchered scum on the basis of getting town reads with this very same principle. It may or may not be true here with WF, but I know I seared into everyone's minds (and you've played with me a few times) the principle behind flawed games being town games a lot.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
if thats a real thing you believe in, that scum dont make mistakes, im not sure what to tell you
i would say the opposite is true for me, because as town i actually bother to take notes
well, notes i would reference while posting
i get that town is flawed.
what i dont agree with is that flawed is inherently town.
also dont glaze over my posts.
im spitting gold.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
For pointing out an odd thing you apparently agree with me on?
Why is your current vote germane to the discussion?
(Besides the fact that if wildfire is town you become more likely scum for attempting to chain mislynches)
I'm not a big fan of Chris attacking Tom who thinks WF is scum for the same reasons. It's beating around the bush, trivial content and thoughts really.
I have replaced in bunches. Don't think it is indicative and your generalization has little actual value.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
This is why I will not unvote before he addresses all the issues I and others have had with his play. Once he does so...we'll see where I stand.
@ Sir Chris: I'm not sure why you felt the need to discuss who you voted for, but ok. My own beliefs on that subject seem to align with yours, but I think you could already tell that.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But whatever. I found a scum for you. The rest will cost ya.
The former she has stuff to work with, so she had real logic and emotions to work off of. The latter is empty garbage, and you can see how she's trying to mentally shift gears but it's just *not working*.
I'm extremely disappointed this is all you had to say. Like, SO much happened over the weekend, and THIS is it?
Obviously it could be either as we have several who've stated they pay closer attention as Town and several who've stated they pay closer attention as Scum.
I'm so glad I know you're either Neutral, as you claimed, or Town. This is not your Scum game.
You're wrong about me, though. As usual when I'm Town.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
This is your one chance to back off your claim, admit you were lying, and start actually hunting instead of chasing shadows.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
babe
i asked you some questions
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Where is my pressure, tom? I put you in my wolf lean, do you think I am taking you seriously?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Since he responded to Axelrod that he can, in fact, target the untargetable passive ability holding player, it's pretty obvious he's not backing off his claim.
Why did you even bother with this statement?
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
Because I think that claim is utter bull*****, that's why.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
1). You realize who we are talking about, right?
2). He is doing the magic equivalence of saying "My targeted spell can target a creature with shroud." His card is a special exception to the rules!
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But also because you're not really doing anything else other than rage at people and try to get Tom to pressure you. I recall a reads list (of sorts) I think you made while I was sleeping last night, but that's how much of an impression it made: I just barely remember it exists. (And that might have been someone else, not you.)
You don't seem very engaged, yet you're one of the top posters. This bothers me, so yeah, why are you wasting time on the claimed Neutral Today?
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
You have given me no reason to take you any seriously. Hell, if mander's vote count is correct, the only current vote on me is Cythare from the RVS stage. This is what I am talking about. You wanna roleplay, or direct emotion at some weak ass plebs, go nuts. But you still have to push some form of a case. You feel really waffley on Wildfire as well.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@tom: You managed to be hunty in Trigger Happy. Why is that not showing up here?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
i dont need to get nightkilled again.