seppel has claimed a bunch of stuff.
youre gonna have to address that.
normally i would let you do your thing upon replacing in, but coordinating empowerment could be pretty important right now
or something
I'll address it when I can make sense of all of it!
It's not really negotiable on letting me do my own thing. I'm still making sense of the setup and the abilities and such, but what I do know is that I can't be of any help with coordinating or having any input on the empowerment thing until I have some better reads/impressions/thoughts than I'm on page 6. If deadline is looming then let me know that and what I need to do to be able to coordinate/be helpful in that regard and I'll do my best. Otherwise, I'll keep at my own pace.
The list of dead people also does not make sense to me because it can't be in order by days/lynches and it doesn't tell me who was lynched/nightkilled or on what nights.
D1 bur was lynched. Town, some kind of bodyguard.
Sir Chris got killed n1, he was a double voter
D2 wildfire killed tordeck. He has this thing where he 1v1s someone and whoever posts first wins. Loser dies.
Iso got lynched. He was scum.
Night 3 no one died. Almost definitely one of the 4 people dv protected (me/tim/cyth/manders)
Today wildfire used his ability to kill dv, which was awful. He was a super doctor. And universally townread.
He also did a thing that brought megs into the game from spec chat.
Seppel at first claimed neutral with a win con about moving passive abilities.
He changed to town, and added another ability. And crumbed some sort of ultimate.
I... think he was town but was lying out his ass.
Can you just confirm/deny that your role has something to do with passive abilities?
Thank you! That really helps with how I process the read through.
I was confused because the last thing I have is that seppel created a one-way chat with DV one week ago, but he's listed first on the dead list.
I don't think that wildfire has posted yet where I am, but I'm just getting accustomed to people's avatars to tell them apart and gauge the game, so that's nice to know. I'll be looking out for how that develops.
Misaligned by is the game at large going after someone you believe is town?
Seppel at first claimed neutral with a win con about moving passive abilities.
He changed to town, and added another ability. And crumbed some sort of ultimate.
I... think he was town but was lying out his ass.
Can you just confirm/deny that your role has something to do with passive abilities?
He claimed the role true early day one with the exception of us being neutral. We are town with the role as described in the first post.
Nothing new or ultimate though I wouldn't mind getting ultima.
not sure what to think about you not being sure about a hipster town read anymore...that was unexpected.
gj lock scum
And yeah I saw something townie early and then sort of argued against people attacking him for so long that I forgot to pay attention to what anak was doing.
not sure what to think about you not being sure about a hipster town read anymore...that was unexpected.
gj lock scum
And yeah I saw something townie early and then sort of argued against people attacking him for so long that I forgot to pay attention to what anak was doing.
Anak is kinda in the ether for me right now, but johnny has been my strongest scum read ever since the post where he said he was going to see fantastic beasts and expected work to be done when he got back. I hated that post and I hate that he just accepted at face value that seppel was a neutral. (Someone else did too but it didn't feel so egregious; if it matters later I'll go back.) And I'm hating his interaction with ISO as they feel like maple syrup.
I hated the ice man's interaction with manders, but I'm liking his posts when he's not arguing with her (sorry if I'm misgendering you!) about things that I think look pretty townie, so I think I was getting worked up about nothing.
Why does a player like Wildifire who's been around for a while actually think it's appropriate to make posts in a game without looking at his role pm???
Why does a player like Wildifire who's been around for a while actually think it's appropriate to make posts in a game without looking at his role pm???
I don't care about that.
There's much better reasons to lynch wildfire
Why does a player like Wildifire who's been around for a while actually think it's appropriate to make posts in a game without looking at his role pm???
I don't care about that.
There's much better reasons to lynch wildfire
I do. It basically amounts to cheating.
That has nothing to do with my read on Wildire. I don't have enough yet from him to have any idea of his alignment, but nobody should be making posts in a game without looking at their role pm.
No one has commented on the fact that Wildfire claims to have not read his role PM before making this post? I mean, I'm kind of inclined to believe that's true because why else say it? It's pretty random.
Seppel commented on it, but no one else seems to have. It's unorthodox, but when replacing in, I like to read the thread before my PM so that I know my initial reads are unbiased by any information that might be there. It also makes me more suspicious of people who jump on my initial post.
It amounts to nothing less than cheating whether it's the beginning of the game or you're replacing in. Don't do it again.
Okay, maybe it's not cheating in the strictest sense, but it is severely against the spirit of the game and I'm surprised this site doesn't have actual rules agains that. Skirting around being biased by your role pm is definitely not playing within the rules and spirit of the game.
Tom why do you think you would have been targeted for a night kill last night?
eh. It was dv's idea to protect me. I said tim/himself but self targeting wasn't allowed
I was pretty townread and the iso flip looked really good for me.
Tom why do you think you would have been targeted for a night kill last night?
eh. It was dv's idea to protect me. I said tim/himself but self targeting wasn't allowed
I was pretty townread and the iso flip looked really good for me.
I'm even more likely to be the NK now though.
I guess I'll see how that develops. From what I've seen so far, mid-10, you haven't been that threatening, so it surprised me to that you thought you were a nightkill target. But eh, day one is day one. You didn't have ISO in your day one reads, which is interesting. But so far Chris isn't pushing him either and the last time I played with town Chris and scum iso he had iso's number early so that's weirdly tempering some of my why are people letting iso slide bit...that and my hindsight bias.
In other news I finally have a couple town reads I feel decent about. Shadow and manders both look town for different reasons. Manders reminds me a bit of myself with the emotional references and what not and i think some of the pushes on her have been pretty mehsville and shadow has that perfect blend of newbie trying to figure things out and offended at how he's being addressed that usually denotes town. I think I feel the weakest about the manders town read only because the last time I said that someone reminded me of me in some ways when I'm town they ended up being scum but that's kinda silly on my part.
I think I've liked exactly one of gentleman johnny's posts, and he's still my strongest scum read.
Unfortunately I think that wildfire is town right now. (I'm on page 11, and I kind of want to just put this here for my own use because I can already tell I don't like his use of his power, so I might need to come back to this page as a reminder.)
w/w = wolf/wolf
sorry. i play elsewhere more these days.
i like the short deadlines.
i played on a site where its faceless men vs innocents. took me awhile to figure out the terminology that accompanies that
we arent lynching DV at all today tordeck.
but prolly not seppel either so meh
[quote from="tomsloger »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-day-3?comment=2371"]You didn't have ISO in your day one reads, which is interesting. But so far Chris isn't pushing him either and the last time I played with town Chris and scum iso he had iso's number early so that's weirdly tempering some of my why are people letting iso slide bit...that and my hindsight bias.
so...
do you have a read on iso?
iirc hed barely done anything at that point
Hey all. Started reading along a couple of pages back so I have some basic idea of the current game state. Will use the weekend to catchup on the early game. Is the spec ops thread a must read as well?
@Manders - TIM had a one-shot day kill in the spec thread, but using it made him a Miller. He also missed because he didn't post on a multiple of 40 (his was 119).
[quote from="tomsloger »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-day-3?comment=2371"]You didn't have ISO in your day one reads, which is interesting. But so far Chris isn't pushing him either and the last time I played with town Chris and scum iso he had iso's number early so that's weirdly tempering some of my why are people letting iso slide bit...that and my hindsight bias.
so...
do you have a read on iso?
iirc hed barely done anything at that point
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Have you ever seen the movie Heathers? If so, remember when they were doing the lunch time poll and they say that you win the publisher's clearing house the same day that alien's say they're going to blow up the world in two days and ask you what you'd do? There's this chic at the end, who's probably high, but her expression is a really ****ed up "what?"
That's me right now.
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Of course i have a read on iso. I have a really convenient guide that tells me he's scum, which is why I mentioned that hindsight bias thing tempering some of my reaction. You'll have to be smoking some extra special mustache weed if you think I'm not going to be watching out for how people interact/don't interact/have a read on iso in that case.
At the point I asked you the question, this was your reads list:
town: TIM-DV
fine for now: axel-chris-megs
needs pressure: manders-johnny-wf
lock scum: vaimes
iso made no list, but vaimes from the spectator chat was your only scum read. Why?
oh right. that is a perfectly good explanation for confirmation bias
its been a long time, but off the top of my head id have to say its because i did not have a read on him.
theres lots of people not on that list
also i was right about vaimes. his love of QTs would have made him top poster in spec chat if he had been town.
it may seem silly to you, but you should see his personal qts in dlp games. theyre brilliant.
oh my ******* god.
i just realized something.
wildfire had the ability that brought megs in.
if he were scum, theyd either have night chat or use a one way to communicate that.
and neither of the dead scum in there did **** all.
so assuming megs is town (likely) wildfire is more likely to be.
oh right. that is a perfectly good explanation for confirmation bias
its been a long time, but off the top of my head id have to say its because i did not have a read on him.
theres lots of people not on that list
also i was right about vaimes. his love of QTs would have made him top poster in spec chat if he had been town.
it may seem silly to you, but you should see his personal qts in dlp games. theyre brilliant.
oh my ******* god.
i just realized something.
wildfire had the ability that brought megs in.
if he were scum, theyd either have night chat or use a one way to communicate that.
and neither of the dead scum in there did **** all.
so assuming megs is town (likely) wildfire is more likely to be.
unvote
goddammit.
So you can feel free to just vote GJ now. Finally. Please.
vaimes was scum? I looked at the first post and one of the last few in that chat and it looked like voxxicus was scum but everyone else was town. I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to pay attention to that thread besides some references in my seppel diary about that thread, silver mostly, so I haven't paid attention.
I'll pick up at 17 tomorrow as I should probably try to go to sleep now. I might keep reading for a bit, who knows, but unless something strikes me fancy, I'll not post until tomorrow.
But right now I'm at thinking that manders, shadow, axelrod, dotarchon and maaaaaaybe wildfire is town. I don't like a lot of wildfire's posts, but there are a few that just strike me as coming from town.
I didn't like the votes that came in for bur after he claimed, but again hindsight bias and I'm not sure how I would have felt after being frustrated at the lack of posting had I been in the game. BUT I don't like johnny's reaction about giving up is scum, that just felt slime covered.
I continue to dislike johnny's posts and I don't like anak's either.
I haven't gotten to wildifer using either of his roles yet.
quick summary of spec ops deaths:
proph killed vaimes
and then himself by posting too fast before the rules were posted.
megs killed silver, ghosting, brinatoo, and voxx to enter the thread
4 dead town, 2 dead scum.
only 3 active players: proph/silver/megs
I'll jump Something I do want to put out there about Cythare/Seppel's empowerment plan, don't empower me. It's a waste of a point that could go to better use. I've kinda started my read of the beginning of the game in between waiting for a response from Az about something and making a potjie(poy-key) for dinner:
If you are Town, Bur, you did a disservice to us, what with your inability or refusal to contribute combined with your defeatist attitude. I firmly believe you to be Scum, but in the off-chance you are Town, at least we're eliminating a scummy distraction. Plus we will learn a TON from your flip.
Anyone still needing to empower others should have already done so, but should do so asap.
I'm putting this here because I might want to come back to this post later and I don't want it lost.
Is the ISO function working properly for everyone else or does it reset posts at the new year? I was trying to find the point at which tom voted seppel and see where that landed with johnny's disbelief if seppel's neutral claim and the ISO posts are only going back to the beginning of January
I am at the start of day three now and am taking a break.
I'm still scum reading Johnny and that feels weird and somewhat concerning that I haven't waffled on that read a lot. Every now and then he makes a post I slightly like and I go hm maybe and then nope.
I am torn on anak though. That one I'm going back and forth on.
I had a theory that tom and Johnny were scum partners and that was leaking into the thread abut the time dv did his neutral gambit, but I think that was silly talk now.
Tom - why do you think the ISO flip looks good for you in particular?
I'm leaning town on wildfire and I think that wildfire's scum reads are off, and that's why the scum team wants him empowered. ISO spent the end of his time advising people to empower manders while empowering wildfire. He had to have been hoping for some benefit there, and so far it's delivered.
For some reason I was under the impression that the scum in the spec chat weren't connected to the scum in the main game. Like, maybe they knew who the scum in the main game were, but they didn't get to participate in Night discussion or things like that. It doesn't actually say that anywhere though, so, maybe not. And I'm kind of agreeing that if the scum in the spec chat knew they could get elevated into the main game they would have been trying harder (unless Megs is that scum, but the dead two certainly didn't try. My paranoia notes that the 2nd scum was the last one that Megs killed, which is what he would have done if he was scum himself to ensure one of them made it in).
But that could point away from WF being scum. Much as I don't want to believe that.
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@axel if I didn't say this already my kill order was literally just "who has been most active in the thread/mafia subforum lately?" So Crys first because he was actually posting, then Ghosting because he had been posting in other games lately, then Brinatoo because he's hosting a game, then Voxx because he was completely gone.
My sole goal was to win, so I made the play that gave me the best chances. I would have shot proph right in the face if he hadn't done that himself (in fairness I suspect if he hadn't offed himself that he would have killed me next and would be in my place here right now).
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Anyway, I've been rereading Stargate lately and it's inspiring me to actually put in some real effort. After I go to the grocery store and get lunch I'm clearing my schedule for this game. girl's coming over tonight but I have no other obligations until then.
I don't like being conftown because it robs me of a lot of my preferred scumhunting strats but I will do what I can.
Now would be a good time to ask me any questions so that I can address them when I am back online.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
because we've already built this wagon and this day is draaagggggiiiinnng
Seriously though because of his attempt to derail the iso wagon.
I've also been soulreading him scum since day 1 and if wildfire is town I love the theory of scum empowering the crap out of him because of the unique combination of his ability and his awful reads.
Kudos/(lol possible TMI slip) to whoever said that first.
youre gonna have to address that.
normally i would let you do your thing upon replacing in, but coordinating empowerment could be pretty important right now
or something
I'll address it when I can make sense of all of it!
It's not really negotiable on letting me do my own thing. I'm still making sense of the setup and the abilities and such, but what I do know is that I can't be of any help with coordinating or having any input on the empowerment thing until I have some better reads/impressions/thoughts than I'm on page 6. If deadline is looming then let me know that and what I need to do to be able to coordinate/be helpful in that regard and I'll do my best. Otherwise, I'll keep at my own pace.
The list of dead people also does not make sense to me because it can't be in order by days/lynches and it doesn't tell me who was lynched/nightkilled or on what nights.
Also I've seen posts suggesting that multiposting has been relaxed. How many multiposts can i make before being warned?
Misaligned?
D1 bur was lynched. Town, some kind of bodyguard.
Sir Chris got killed n1, he was a double voter
D2 wildfire killed tordeck. He has this thing where he 1v1s someone and whoever posts first wins. Loser dies.
Iso got lynched. He was scum.
Night 3 no one died. Almost definitely one of the 4 people dv protected (me/tim/cyth/manders)
Today wildfire used his ability to kill dv, which was awful. He was a super doctor. And universally townread.
He also did a thing that brought megs into the game from spec chat.
He changed to town, and added another ability. And crumbed some sort of ultimate.
I... think he was town but was lying out his ass.
Can you just confirm/deny that your role has something to do with passive abilities?
I was confused because the last thing I have is that seppel created a one-way chat with DV one week ago, but he's listed first on the dead list.
I don't think that wildfire has posted yet where I am, but I'm just getting accustomed to people's avatars to tell them apart and gauge the game, so that's nice to know. I'll be looking out for how that develops.
Misaligned by is the game at large going after someone you believe is town?
He claimed the role true early day one with the exception of us being neutral. We are town with the role as described in the first post.
Nothing new or ultimate though I wouldn't mind getting ultima.
It would probably be anak, but I'm feeling less good about that than I was.
not sure what to think about you not being sure about a hipster town read anymore...that was unexpected.
And yeah I saw something townie early and then sort of argued against people attacking him for so long that I forgot to pay attention to what anak was doing.
Anak is kinda in the ether for me right now, but johnny has been my strongest scum read ever since the post where he said he was going to see fantastic beasts and expected work to be done when he got back. I hated that post and I hate that he just accepted at face value that seppel was a neutral. (Someone else did too but it didn't feel so egregious; if it matters later I'll go back.) And I'm hating his interaction with ISO as they feel like maple syrup.
I hated the ice man's interaction with manders, but I'm liking his posts when he's not arguing with her (sorry if I'm misgendering you!) about things that I think look pretty townie, so I think I was getting worked up about nothing.
There's much better reasons to lynch wildfire
I do. It basically amounts to cheating.
That has nothing to do with my read on Wildire. I don't have enough yet from him to have any idea of his alignment, but nobody should be making posts in a game without looking at their role pm.
It amounts to nothing less than cheating whether it's the beginning of the game or you're replacing in. Don't do it again.
Okay, maybe it's not cheating in the strictest sense, but it is severely against the spirit of the game and I'm surprised this site doesn't have actual rules agains that. Skirting around being biased by your role pm is definitely not playing within the rules and spirit of the game.
I was pretty townread and the iso flip looked really good for me.
I'm even more likely to be the NK now though.
I guess I'll see how that develops. From what I've seen so far, mid-10, you haven't been that threatening, so it surprised me to that you thought you were a nightkill target. But eh, day one is day one. You didn't have ISO in your day one reads, which is interesting. But so far Chris isn't pushing him either and the last time I played with town Chris and scum iso he had iso's number early so that's weirdly tempering some of my why are people letting iso slide bit...that and my hindsight bias.
In other news I finally have a couple town reads I feel decent about. Shadow and manders both look town for different reasons. Manders reminds me a bit of myself with the emotional references and what not and i think some of the pushes on her have been pretty mehsville and shadow has that perfect blend of newbie trying to figure things out and offended at how he's being addressed that usually denotes town. I think I feel the weakest about the manders town read only because the last time I said that someone reminded me of me in some ways when I'm town they ended up being scum but that's kinda silly on my part.
I think I've liked exactly one of gentleman johnny's posts, and he's still my strongest scum read.
that was my homesite!!!!
(sorry)
do you have a read on iso?
iirc hed barely done anything at that point
@Manders - TIM had a one-shot day kill in the spec thread, but using it made him a Miller. He also missed because he didn't post on a multiple of 40 (his was 119).
Have you ever seen the movie Heathers? If so, remember when they were doing the lunch time poll and they say that you win the publisher's clearing house the same day that alien's say they're going to blow up the world in two days and ask you what you'd do? There's this chic at the end, who's probably high, but her expression is a really ****ed up "what?"
That's me right now.
~~~
Of course i have a read on iso. I have a really convenient guide that tells me he's scum, which is why I mentioned that hindsight bias thing tempering some of my reaction. You'll have to be smoking some extra special mustache weed if you think I'm not going to be watching out for how people interact/don't interact/have a read on iso in that case.
At the point I asked you the question, this was your reads list:
town: TIM-DV
fine for now: axel-chris-megs
needs pressure: manders-johnny-wf
lock scum: vaimes
iso made no list, but vaimes from the spectator chat was your only scum read. Why?
its been a long time, but off the top of my head id have to say its because i did not have a read on him.
theres lots of people not on that list
also i was right about vaimes. his love of QTs would have made him top poster in spec chat if he had been town.
it may seem silly to you, but you should see his personal qts in dlp games. theyre brilliant.
oh my ******* god.
i just realized something.
wildfire had the ability that brought megs in.
if he were scum, theyd either have night chat or use a one way to communicate that.
and neither of the dead scum in there did **** all.
so assuming megs is town (likely) wildfire is more likely to be.
unvote
goddammit.
So you can feel free to just vote GJ now. Finally. Please.
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i gotta figure out where to make those
I'll pick up at 17 tomorrow as I should probably try to go to sleep now. I might keep reading for a bit, who knows, but unless something strikes me fancy, I'll not post until tomorrow.
But right now I'm at thinking that manders, shadow, axelrod, dotarchon and maaaaaaybe wildfire is town. I don't like a lot of wildfire's posts, but there are a few that just strike me as coming from town.
I didn't like the votes that came in for bur after he claimed, but again hindsight bias and I'm not sure how I would have felt after being frustrated at the lack of posting had I been in the game. BUT I don't like johnny's reaction about giving up is scum, that just felt slime covered.
I continue to dislike johnny's posts and I don't like anak's either.
I haven't gotten to wildifer using either of his roles yet.
i dont trust wildfire enough to empower, but he can live for now
proph killed vaimes
and then himself by posting too fast before the rules were posted.
megs killed silver, ghosting, brinatoo, and voxx to enter the thread
4 dead town, 2 dead scum.
only 3 active players: proph/silver/megs
I'm putting this here because I might want to come back to this post later and I don't want it lost.
Is the ISO function working properly for everyone else or does it reset posts at the new year? I was trying to find the point at which tom voted seppel and see where that landed with johnny's disbelief if seppel's neutral claim and the ISO posts are only going back to the beginning of January
Are these your answers to seppel's chat with you?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm still scum reading Johnny and that feels weird and somewhat concerning that I haven't waffled on that read a lot. Every now and then he makes a post I slightly like and I go hm maybe and then nope.
I am torn on anak though. That one I'm going back and forth on.
I had a theory that tom and Johnny were scum partners and that was leaking into the thread abut the time dv did his neutral gambit, but I think that was silly talk now.
Tom - why do you think the ISO flip looks good for you in particular?
I'm leaning town on wildfire and I think that wildfire's scum reads are off, and that's why the scum team wants him empowered. ISO spent the end of his time advising people to empower manders while empowering wildfire. He had to have been hoping for some benefit there, and so far it's delivered.
Wildfire- GJ,Cyth
GJ- MH, Cyan, Tammy (per Seppel vote), Tom
MH - Anak
With 12 alive, 7 to lynch
Official Empowerment Count:
Tammy - Cyth
Cyth- Tammy (Seppel), WF, Axelrod
Shadow - Tom, GJ, Cyan
Cyan - Shadow, MH, Anak
Not Empowering: DoTArchon, Megs
I'm lock clear. You'll figure it out.
Or just wait til I get NKed and sheep me then
I'm actually coming around to WF town?
They're both scum anyway.
Go ahead and claim.
But that could point away from WF being scum. Much as I don't want to believe that.
My sole goal was to win, so I made the play that gave me the best chances. I would have shot proph right in the face if he hadn't done that himself (in fairness I suspect if he hadn't offed himself that he would have killed me next and would be in my place here right now).
I don't like being conftown because it robs me of a lot of my preferred scumhunting strats but I will do what I can.
Now would be a good time to ask me any questions so that I can address them when I am back online.
You said Seppel did his one-way with D_V.
Explain, please.
I'm mobile so the rest will have to wait.
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Seriously though because of his attempt to derail the iso wagon.
I've also been soulreading him scum since day 1 and if wildfire is town I love the theory of scum empowering the crap out of him because of the unique combination of his ability and his awful reads.
Kudos/(lol possible TMI slip) to whoever said that first.
-2 Me and target are Bulletproof
-5 The next time I would die
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching: