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1. The game thread is going /way/ too smoothly even though we haven't lynched a single scum yet! This is concerning and I am worried about potential deep scum or poorly-playing town that we're misreading. Later this week my finals will be over (Calc II sucks way too much) so I should have time to pore over the thread and give my thoughts.
2. Even if Iso is scum, we should be lynching Wildfire first. Wildfire literally scumclaimed by shooting down a power role and deceiving us by claiming he could suicide. Leave Iso for another Day and lynch the scum openly wolfing, thanks.
3. Anak/Iso/Wildfire have some scum in them. Shoot/vig into this pile. tom is also always a good PoE kill; he makes himself impossible to read and he's much better as scum than town.
@Wildfire: Can you address why you weren't more open about your ability in the first place? What do you make of Iso hard defending you? Unvote pending those questions.
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3: I can copy someone's ability they're using that Night, learn what that ability is, and choose a new target for my copy.
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I didn't have enough Empowerment to do anything last Night, so I didn't.
Now go vote for scum.
This is literally a scum claim, how is Iso still even alive right now.
First he claims rolecop, which is almost always a scum role. Then he claimed tracker, which would arguably be scum anyway because of Tordeck's flip, but the ability also let's him change the targets, which is much more valuable to scum than town.
Then we have 'can't become Unlynchable' caveat on his final ability might as well say 'because scum unlynchable is too OP'.
@Cyan: that was my first thought as well, but I don't think you should let the claimed abilities have anything to do with it, because of the likely rode randomization thing.
Wildfire AEzWolg'ing Tordeck was a joke and anyone who thinks it clears him is dense. Knowing full well he had that role, he could have spent the entire game suspecting a known lurker JUST so he could justify shooting him.
I do not support using his role as a second lynch because I do not believe he is Town, but even if I did, I do not trust him to use it as we direct. He's going to do what he just did and shoot whoever the hell he wants.
Seppel, Iso knowing an untargetable role MIGHT be in the game does not, in any way, confirm you, so stop acting like it does.
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Are you talking about Wildfire? I have no idea what to make of that. My gut reaction is that a scum that had just used this ability to off a townie PROBABLY wouldn't have the gumption to immediately request more Empowerment so he could do it again later. But I don't actually feel strongly about this.
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Oh look who comes out to poorly defend her scumbuddy.
Wesley Tragger. I do forensics and intelligence for the rebels.
2: Double Rolecop.
3: I can copy someone's ability they're using that Night, learn what that ability is, and choose a new target for my copy.
5: I can gain a non-lethal ability from a corpse. I can't become Unlynchable this way.
I didn't have enough Empowerment to do anything last Night, so I didn't.
Now go vote for scum.
This is literally a scum claim, how is Iso still even alive right now.
First he claims rolecop, which is almost always a scum role. Then he claimed tracker, which would arguably be scum anyway because of Tordeck's flip, but the ability also let's him change the targets, which is much more valuable to scum than town.
Then we have 'can't become Unlynchable' caveat on his final ability might as well say 'because scum unlynchable is too OP'.
JFC.
Cough cough, starcraft, cough cough.
I will say though, two unlynchable potentials is pretty bastardly for the town as well.
So, as a note, while I still believe that Wildfire's the correct choice, I feel like Prophylaxis stating that Wildfire's claiming scum because of Tordeck's role feels somewhat disingenuous.
Wildfire AEzWolg'ing Tordeck was a joke and anyone who thinks it clears him is dense. Knowing full well he had that role, he could have spent the entire game suspecting a known lurker JUST so he could justify shooting him.
I do not support using his role as a second lynch because I do not believe he is Town, but even if I did, I do not trust him to use it as we direct. He's going to do what he just did and shoot whoever the hell he wants.
Really fantastic reason to stay away from a WF lynch.
@Wildfire: Can you address why you weren't more open about your ability in the first place? What do you make of Iso hard defending you? Unvote pending those questions.
Nothing I said about my role was inaccurate. I obviously couldn't share the full mechanics of it because it would increase the chance of backfiring.
I have no idea what to make of Iso. Maybe he's trying to chain me to his wagon so you lynch me after he flips scum? But that seems like a weird ploy as he wasn't under that much suspicion beforehand. Unless my reads are good enough that he's scared I'm just going to vig the entire scumpile? Yeah, as if.
I don't know. Looking at it from the outside, it'd be an awful thing to do as scum/scum, and I don't think he's that bad of a player.
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Are you talking about Wildfire? I have no idea what to make of that. My gut reaction is that a scum that had just used this ability to off a townie PROBABLY wouldn't have the gumption to immediately request more Empowerment so he could do it again later. But I don't actually feel strongly about this.
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Oh look who comes out to poorly defend her scumbuddy.
100% this.
I like how you repeatedly choose to ignore the fact that Az has done everything in his power to ensure people don't do EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. If he flips Town, I'm going to have to rethink my position on you.
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@Proph: Seppel has done nothing all game and probably isn't a Neutral. I want him to quit his garbage and play the game because it's annoying when people pretend not to be town to avoid contributing anything of value to the thread.
A double Rolecop investigates two people, yes. I do not learn alignments, as far as I'm aware.
I have already cased shadow and tom, but nobody read my ******* wallposts so I'm pretty understandably agitated. TIM obviously didn't or he wouldn't be voting me, and Cyan, while town, isn't actually paying attention to what's going on. The game is being lost to apathy, because people aren't reading or acting on anything other than mob mentality (or are scum). It's frustrating to feel like only a handful of people actually care about playing and winning the game after I fell behind on Day 1 and actually put forth the effort necessary to get caught up. Like, what was all of that for if we're just going to lynch me because "hurr durr I can't be arsed to read Iso's posts, so let's just take the easy way out and lynch him, instead"?
You may understand why this embitters and demotivates me.
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@Proph: Seppel has done nothing all game and probably isn't a Neutral. I want him to quit his garbage and play the game because it's annoying when people pretend not to be town to avoid contributing anything of value to the thread.
A double Rolecop investigates two people, yes. I do not learn alignments, as far as I'm aware.
I have already cased shadow and tom, but nobody read my ******* wallposts so I'm pretty understandably agitated. TIM obviously didn't or he wouldn't be voting me, and Cyan, while town, isn't actually paying attention to what's going on. The game is being lost to apathy, because people aren't reading or acting on anything other than mob mentality (or are scum). It's frustrating to feel like only a handful of people actually care about playing and winning the game after I fell behind on Day 1 and actually put forth the effort necessary to get caught up. Like, what was all of that for if we're just going to lynch me because "hurr durr I can't be arsed to read Iso's posts, so let's just take the easy way out and lynch him, instead"?
You may understand why this embitters and demotivates me.
Oh for the love of God.
Your posts were incredibly long and long-winded. Yeah, lots of us actually did ******* read them, but the *****-ton of information ensconced in them did NOT permeate thoroughly, so no, I, personally, couldn't tell you WHAT your stance on shadow or tom is (though I'd assume Scum, because why else would you case them?)
So, while I understand how frustrating it is to put in all that work and have it feel like it went in one ear and out the other...get over it. Your refusal to move past this is making me think Cyan and Seppel might be right (which ******* sucks because if you flip Scum, I'm ******* toast.)
So, if you are Town, decide who you want to be lynched instead of you, and make a case. That is my advice to you. (And before you or anyone say anything else about me, I intend to do the same.)
@Proph: Seppel has done nothing all game and probably isn't a Neutral. I want him to quit his garbage and play the game because it's annoying when people pretend not to be town to avoid contributing anything of value to the thread.
A double Rolecop investigates two people, yes. I do not learn alignments, as far as I'm aware.
I have already cased shadow and tom, but nobody read my ******* wallposts so I'm pretty understandably agitated. TIM obviously didn't or he wouldn't be voting me, and Cyan, while town, isn't actually paying attention to what's going on. The game is being lost to apathy, because people aren't reading or acting on anything other than mob mentality (or are scum). It's frustrating to feel like only a handful of people actually care about playing and winning the game after I fell behind on Day 1 and actually put forth the effort necessary to get caught up. Like, what was all of that for if we're just going to lynch me because "hurr durr I can't be arsed to read Iso's posts, so let's just take the easy way out and lynch him, instead"?
You may understand why this embitters and demotivates me.
A double Rolecop investigates two people, yes. I do not learn alignments, as far as I'm aware.
The fakest fake thing I've ever read.
Also that empowerer on Wild also just tells me that Wild is scum
If iso flips scum then WF is almost certainly scum.
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Tordeck flipping town makes Iso look all the more like the scum vote on Bur. I just don't see all town voting him straight in a row like that.
His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.
@Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.
WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.
@Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
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Tordeck flipping town makes Iso look all the more like the scum vote on Bur. I just don't see all town voting him straight in a row like that.
His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.
@Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.
WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.
@Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
I have some issues with this post.
-The first part reads like you know there's one scum vote on the Bur wagon.
-When addressing Iso, saying that something "doesn't help" when you're talking to someone that you have a (lean) scumread is weird language choice. It reads like a softball.
-The Manders part also reads like a giant softball to someone who last I checked is your top scum read.
-Not sure how quickdrawing with a lurker bumps WF up a few pegs - Wildfire has been one of the focuses today, and he was on the hook to use his ability based on discussion yesterDay.
-Idc about the tom part.
I actually really like anak today and can't see myself voting him.
Cyans striking of rolecops feels weird. That role feels like it ends up on both sides of the fence these days, and there has been at least 1 event game I know he has been in that had one.
His first post of the day looked promising, but I haven't been moved by his play otherwise toDay, and this post is another example of scummy play to me. What from his play toDay has made you feel this way?
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Tordeck flipping town makes Iso look all the more like the scum vote on Bur. I just don't see all town voting him straight in a row like that.
His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.
@Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.
WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.
@Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
As Cythare already pointed out, this post is terrible. However, I will answer your question. No, I don't think Iso is Town just because he thinks I am Town. I think Iso is Town mostly because of gut, but his reactions come across as genuine and he is trying to figure out the game as best he can.
Tom has just like 90% confirmed in my mind that he is town.
Cyth has too.
K.
Ok, look.
I know you're pretty closely confirmed Town and all, but it would still be nice if you could be helpful. You know that many of us have strong doubts that Tom is Town, so please share whatever it is that has convinced you he is Town.
Tordeck flipping town makes Iso look all the more like the scum vote on Bur. I just don't see all town voting him straight in a row like that.
His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.
@Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.
WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.
@Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
I have some issues with this post.
-The first part reads like you know there's one scum vote on the Bur wagon.
-When addressing Iso, saying that something "doesn't help" when you're talking to someone that you have a (lean) scumread is weird language choice. It reads like a softball.
-The Manders part also reads like a giant softball to someone who last I checked is your top scum read.
-Not sure how quickdrawing with a lurker bumps WF up a few pegs - Wildfire has been one of the focuses today, and he was on the hook to use his ability based on discussion yesterDay.
-Idc about the tom part.
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I know you're pretty closely confirmed Town and all, but it would still be nice if you could be helpful. You know that many of us have strong doubts that Tom is Town, so please share whatever it is that has convinced you he is Town.
no let me keep my mystery dammit
try to lynch me or dont. i dont need DV
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@Wildfire: Can you address why you weren't more open about your ability in the first place? What do you make of Iso hard defending you?
Unvote pending those questions.
This is literally a scum claim, how is Iso still even alive right now.
First he claims rolecop, which is almost always a scum role. Then he claimed tracker, which would arguably be scum anyway because of Tordeck's flip, but the ability also let's him change the targets, which is much more valuable to scum than town.
Then we have 'can't become Unlynchable' caveat on his final ability might as well say 'because scum unlynchable is too OP'.
JFC.
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Wildfire AEzWolg'ing Tordeck was a joke and anyone who thinks it clears him is dense. Knowing full well he had that role, he could have spent the entire game suspecting a known lurker JUST so he could justify shooting him.
I do not support using his role as a second lynch because I do not believe he is Town, but even if I did, I do not trust him to use it as we direct. He's going to do what he just did and shoot whoever the hell he wants.
Seppel, Iso knowing an untargetable role MIGHT be in the game does not, in any way, confirm you, so stop acting like it does.
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Are you talking about Wildfire? I have no idea what to make of that. My gut reaction is that a scum that had just used this ability to off a townie PROBABLY wouldn't have the gumption to immediately request more Empowerment so he could do it again later. But I don't actually feel strongly about this.
100% this.
Cough cough, starcraft, cough cough.
I will say though, two unlynchable potentials is pretty bastardly for the town as well.
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Really fantastic reason to stay away from a WF lynch.
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Nothing I said about my role was inaccurate. I obviously couldn't share the full mechanics of it because it would increase the chance of backfiring.
I have no idea what to make of Iso. Maybe he's trying to chain me to his wagon so you lynch me after he flips scum? But that seems like a weird ploy as he wasn't under that much suspicion beforehand. Unless my reads are good enough that he's scared I'm just going to vig the entire scumpile? Yeah, as if.
I don't know. Looking at it from the outside, it'd be an awful thing to do as scum/scum, and I don't think he's that bad of a player.
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I like how you repeatedly choose to ignore the fact that Az has done everything in his power to ensure people don't do EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. If he flips Town, I'm going to have to rethink my position on you.
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A double Rolecop investigates two people, yes. I do not learn alignments, as far as I'm aware.
I have already cased shadow and tom, but nobody read my ******* wallposts so I'm pretty understandably agitated. TIM obviously didn't or he wouldn't be voting me, and Cyan, while town, isn't actually paying attention to what's going on. The game is being lost to apathy, because people aren't reading or acting on anything other than mob mentality (or are scum). It's frustrating to feel like only a handful of people actually care about playing and winning the game after I fell behind on Day 1 and actually put forth the effort necessary to get caught up. Like, what was all of that for if we're just going to lynch me because "hurr durr I can't be arsed to read Iso's posts, so let's just take the easy way out and lynch him, instead"?
You may understand why this embitters and demotivates me.
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Oh for the love of God.
Your posts were incredibly long and long-winded. Yeah, lots of us actually did ******* read them, but the *****-ton of information ensconced in them did NOT permeate thoroughly, so no, I, personally, couldn't tell you WHAT your stance on shadow or tom is (though I'd assume Scum, because why else would you case them?)
So, while I understand how frustrating it is to put in all that work and have it feel like it went in one ear and out the other...get over it. Your refusal to move past this is making me think Cyan and Seppel might be right (which ******* sucks because if you flip Scum, I'm ******* toast.)
So, if you are Town, decide who you want to be lynched instead of you, and make a case. That is my advice to you. (And before you or anyone say anything else about me, I intend to do the same.)
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If you were scum in spec chat, can't be lynched even if confirmed scum, can only contribute with your words.
Why would you do anything but yell loudly to get townies lynched?
Is that happening and who is it?
The fakest fake thing I've ever read.
Also that empowerer on Wild also just tells me that Wild is scum
If iso flips scum then WF is almost certainly scum.
Man the Neutral is the scummy one but I won't point to anyone else in the thread.
10/10 play right there.
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His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.
@Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.
WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.
@Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
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doesnt that mean iso/wildfire are town?
or minimum one is town since proph is tying them together?
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the problem is theres no punishment for it
we couldnt lynch them
so why not do some damage?
Tom has just like 90% confirmed in my mind that he is town.
Cyth has too.
K.
-The first part reads like you know there's one scum vote on the Bur wagon.
-When addressing Iso, saying that something "doesn't help" when you're talking to someone that you have a (lean) scumread is weird language choice. It reads like a softball.
-The Manders part also reads like a giant softball to someone who last I checked is your top scum read.
-Not sure how quickdrawing with a lurker bumps WF up a few pegs - Wildfire has been one of the focuses today, and he was on the hook to use his ability based on discussion yesterDay.
-Idc about the tom part.
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Cyans striking of rolecops feels weird. That role feels like it ends up on both sides of the fence these days, and there has been at least 1 event game I know he has been in that had one.
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I'm sure you would have asked for clarification if you were town.
Oh woe is Manders!
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iso seems a much better information lynch AND more likely scum though
lockhimup, etc
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Ok, look.
I know you're pretty closely confirmed Town and all, but it would still be nice if you could be helpful. You know that many of us have strong doubts that Tom is Town, so please share whatever it is that has convinced you he is Town.
This.
You really need to expand on what changed from Yesterday to Today.
Fixed that for you, and I am, too.
Tired of corporate corruption ruining your favorite MtG site?
Come join ours!!
We even have Mafia!!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
try to lynch me or dont. i dont need DV
and i think youre town, but was legit not trying while we were in it.
ill read you after i get through isos megaposts again.