I posted 500 pages' worth of analysis and then gave a succinct summary of how I felt after the next 500, posting a T/S list with reasons, accordingly. Anything that I didn't directly state in my T/S list can be read in my analysis. What more do you expect of me?
Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
Wasn't I the one who convinced you of this? Just checking.
Anyone who we're waiting on to post T/S lists please just do it, forget this waiting on D_V's ordering business - not even sure why we're bothering with that in the first place - so we can get on with the game.
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[quote from="tomsloger »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-stage-two?comment=1240"]No, that is 100% me being frustrated with him doing ****all in this game.
God, it feels sad when I feel like the claimed neutral is doing the best shoves.
Soulreading Iso as scum now for the pfffft comment. Unless Yanni came back from the dead and possessed his body. God, where is Artifice, Arch, and whoever else was in that God awful Starcraft game?
Seppel, I want you to tilt me. No one is doing ***** anyway, maybe we can make a reaction. YOu know you want to do it.
Let me ask a question to anyone else: It feels very few people have town Wildfire/Anak over any other players (mixed on me, Iso, Tim, even someone had a wolf read on Axel, I think). I feel a bit worried that there is too much concensus going on, even before lists are done.
Why are we making these lists? Because DV asked for them?
I'm probably pretty close to where I was yesterday, in that I haven't really reviewed anything in light of Chris/Bur flips. What I want to do, and probably will when I have more time, is a full-on wagon analysis of Bur. Like I used to do, in the good old days...sigh.
Anyway, it's currently something like:
Strongly Leaning Town:
TheIceMan
Manders
DV
Leaning Town:
Shadow
GJ
Neutral:
Cyan
Wildfire
Cythare
Leaning Scum:
Iso
Seppel
Anak
Strongly Leaning Scum:
Tom
Tordeck
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What's the question there? Why is there so much consensus?
Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
@ANAKINONMYBACKDOOR: You have exactly one chance, and I need a straightforward answer: Are you aware of TAre's last Starcraft game, in particular, Seppel?
God, it feels sad when I feel like the claimed neutral is doing the best shoves.
Soulreading Iso as scum now for the pfffft comment. Unless Yanni came back from the dead and possessed his body. God, where is Artifice, Arch, and whoever else was in that God awful Starcraft game?
What's the question there? Why is there so much consensus?
Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
@ANAKINONMYBACKDOOR: You have exactly one chance, and I need a straightforward answer: Are you aware of TAre's last Starcraft game, in particular, Seppel?
THAT WAS STARGATE NOT STARCRAFT OMG GET THE GAMES RIGHT
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Seppel, I want you to tilt me. No one is doing ***** anyway, maybe we can make a reaction. You know you want to do it.
No reason to.
All I hear is my name is Seppel, and Ima BIG CHICKEN.
@Iso: I don't know. Those names are all jibberish to me, and even if they weren't, I am going to go back to repressing that memory. Your response to your brother did not strike as a "lolseppel, you can't read me"
What's the question there? Why is there so much consensus?
Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
@ANAKINONMYBACKDOOR: You have exactly one chance, and I need a straightforward answer: Are you aware of TAre's last Starcraft game, in particular, Seppel?
Well, tom hasn't exactly been the pushiest this game in general. Also your Anak/Wild statement is kind of a no-brainer. Either they're both scum or they aren't.
Seppel, I want you to tilt me. No one is doing ***** anyway, maybe we can make a reaction. You know you want to do it.
No reason to.
All I hear is my name is Seppel, and Ima BIG CHICKEN.
@Iso: I don't know. Those names are all jibberish to me, and even if they weren't, I am going to go back to repressing that memory. Your response to your brother did not strike as a "lolseppel, you can't read me"
Sorry I don't fit your preconceived notion of what I act like as town - oh wait, no I'm not.
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What's the question there? Why is there so much consensus?
Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
@ANAKINONMYBACKDOOR: You have exactly one chance, and I need a straightforward answer: Are you aware of TAre's last Starcraft game, in particular, Seppel?
Well, tom hasn't exactly been the pushiest this game in general. Also your Anak/Wild statement is kind of a no-brainer. Either they're both scum or they aren't.
I am saying if you were to take the pulse of the game, the concensus seems to be w/w. My point is that I don't they are both wolves, even though I have both of them as wolf reads.
IT's waffley as ****, I know. Between the two, I think Wildfire is a good start.
Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
ok
So from your perspective, anak is scum and when he flips cyan will then come after you because of that supposed slip
Will he still be town then?
Yes, because none of that changes his original reaction to my wagon.
I posted 500 pages' worth of analysis and then gave a succinct summary of how I felt after the next 500, posting a T/S list with reasons, accordingly. Anything that I didn't directly state in my T/S list can be read in my analysis. What more do you expect of me?
I expect you to convince me you're Town. You've yet to do so.
Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
Wasn't I the one who convinced you of this? Just checking.
And? So you have a better long-term memory than I do.
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Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
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Seriously, everyone not posting content needs to start doing so immediately.
THIS.
BTW if you guys actually believe Wildfire has something up his sleeve, you're fools. He's playing you in the hopes that it'll save his ass. He'll come back with, "Oh, I misread, I can't do it to myself," or some ***** like that. Mark my words.
@Manders re-wildfire: if that's the case then we cross that bridge then (which probably looks like lynching wildfire) but kind of like not bothering with Seppel right now as a neutral, there's no point worrying about wildfire until he does or doesn't prove his ability.
@Wildfire: sooner rather than later would be better for whatever you're doing.
Just read spec. WF has an ability that makes him kill himself and you guys STILL think he's scum, even after the level of absurdity in his reads and cases? He obviously believes what he's saying. Scum would at least back up and say, "Okay, maybe I'm off-kilter, here, and should try to reconsider" just to bring less attention to himself. But WF is balls to the wall, here, and is somehow still being read as scum. I need to look at the WF wagon and pick out the scum on it.
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Ok,
Only have my banking Final in like 40 mins taking a break just to flip through some of this.
I don't know exactly whats going on with the Seppel thing.
But I'm just going to say hes probabally not the SK and there is a very good chance that there isn't an SK this game. For my role reasons and what happened last night.
I want to take a serious look at Anak. Cyan's pushing him/her hard, and I think it's time we actually did something. (Also, GJ, it's not super feasible to make long posts using multi-quote. The posts get far too long for anyone to read and simply being able to refer to post numbers suits my re-reading style much better. If I need to quote a bunch of your posts in future I'll figure out an alternative way. In the meantime, blame Curse, I guess?)
#15 is an RVS post, but not one I'm a particular fan of. The "Vote Tom" is completely disconnected from the apparently serious question of D_V's trolling. It all feels a bit nervous.
In #93, he/she seems genuinely unconcerned about being scumread.
#108 is Anak's initial overreaction to Cyan. There are two points worth mentioning here. First, Anak isn't really concerned about Cyan's "weaksauce" reasoning - he/she's concerned at being the target of that reasoning. Second, the post over which Cyan voted (#102) isn't particularly noteworthy. So why is Anak so upset? One possibility, as I speculated earlier, is that Anak and Cyan are both scum and that Anak is frustrated that Cyan is already busing him over effectively nothing. The other option is that Cyan somehow nailed Anak, and Anak is upset because he/she doesn't feel his/her behavior merited being singled out. I don't see a town mindset here.
#251 also concerns Cyan's vote. It's a complete over-justification - if Anak knew it was "looking for a reaction" and "called it as [he/she] saw it" then he/she clearly wouldn't have given Cyan exactly the reaction he wanted.
#462 is an interesting post, and I would welcome feedback on my interpretation. The take on Shadow is a bit-part piece of analysis of a bit-part player. The question to Tom is empty, as if Anak knows Tom well enough to know that he doesn't usually have a handle on games early, he also knows when he's likely to start taking stronger positions. The read on Wildfire feels a bit like glomming onto my position, but the comment to the effect that "I polish my posts carefully as scum" seems extremely townie. I don't think scum make comments to this effect (i.e. actively point to their own playstyle). And even if they do, I think they're likely to tell the truth (actively drawing attention to your own scum meta and then blatantly lying about it isn't a great move). So I'm going to assume that scum-Anak does overthink his posts, and if there's one thing I can say about Anak's posts thus far, it's that they don't seem overthought. They seem much more visceral and emotional, rather than overly wrought.
#654 shows that Anak still has this strange fixation on Cyan. Feels a bit like scum trying to assuage Cyan's earlier read.
#755, as I've mentioned earlier, is a bad post given that Anak hasn't mentioned Bur all game and is now not "dissuaded" by his/her claim.
#775 reads as spreading disinformation. We also know that Anak has a strong claim, town or scum.
Through #847, #854, and #950, I'm town, GJ is town, and Cyan is probably town. Looks like Anak is having real trouble coming up with scum reads. This could be because he/she is cautious scum, but it's also entirely possible that he/she simply doesn't have a good handle on the game. I've felt that at times too thus far, so it's certainly not an unreasonable position to hold.
In #1052 Anak says he/she "still" supports a Bur lynch and still believes Tordeck to be scum. These views feel a bit fabricated as they only really arose in conjunction with their respective wagons.
#1167 I think is a legitimately good post filled with analysis. I don't agree with most of it, but it reads like a genuine attempt to scumhunt.
Wrapping up, I feel super conflicted. There's the weird fixation with Cyan, which feels a bit like a scum pocket attempt after that initial overreaction. On the other hand, there's that mid-D1 self-meta-read which just doesn't really fit his/her play this game, and there's the start of D2 where he/she seems to be making a genuine effort. I do think this looks pretty bad for Iso, though, whose "kill it with fire" read on Anak looks like an attempt to gloss over a genuinely complicated set of posts and throw his weight behind the wagon. Unvote. Vote Iso.
TIM, you're my strongest town read. Talk to me - why do you feel my analysis on Anak in my bigposts (which is what I'm using as the basis for my Anak case, rather than rehasing all of that in my T/S list post) is insufficient reasoning for an Anak vote?
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@GJ I know that the game was ran, but I don't really know anything that happened in it at all.
@Cyan if I was the one read you felt confident in, do you think ISO was turbo bussing me or has your read changed?
@TIM I'm male, to save you the trouble of typing that out each time.
Giving me two empowerments would help us out a lot, I will claim what the ability is if I get them. It most likely will be confirmable as well, depending on what happens
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Warning sirens flashed crimson as the missile hit on the aft of Circe registered, and atmosphere left the ship in a rush. The survivors were concentrated in the interior of the ship, and only an unlucky handful of the ship's crew died from exposure to the vacuum, at -454.8 degrees Fahrenheit, the moisture in their eyes and tough boiling away within ten seconds, blood flow ceasing within a minute, and with complete asphyxiation in under ninety seconds. Not a good way to die.
A few survivors from other areas of the ship straggled in, cloaked in vac suits. It didn't take long for the accusations and recriminations to begin flying.
Few among the survivors were known to have an Earth Authority background, but Martrim Visser was one of them. Quiet, bookish, observant, he kept to himself mostly. Once a member of the civil police forces - but as a lab geek, not an officer. And so, when he found himself accused by one of his fellow survivors, with tempers running hot, he remained outwardly calm - but with a building anger inside. And he was not unarmed, nor helpless.
So when his fellow survivor pulled a small-caliber pistol from her side holster, he reacted by reaching for his own. But not nearly quick enough. If he'd been alive to see his corpse sink onto the deck, he might have been struck by how terribly similar his body looked in death, compared to many of the homicides he had investigated during his former career.
4. Tordeck
Name: Martrim Visser
Alignment: Town
Dossier - One of the few rebels with an ex-Earth Authority background, you used to work for the civil police forces, in the area of forensic science and cybernetics.
1-Tracker - learn who target player targets, tonight.
2- Watcher - learn who targets a player, tonight.
4 - Learn who target player targeted, the previous night. You may only activate this ability once.
Official Vote Count:
Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom
Anak - Manders, Iso
Wildfire - Cythare
Tom- DV
I posted 500 pages' worth of analysis and then gave a succinct summary of how I felt after the next 500, posting a T/S list with reasons, accordingly. Anything that I didn't directly state in my T/S list can be read in my analysis. What more do you expect of me?
hello have you read my posts
Wasn't I the one who convinced you of this? Just checking.
+1
Wait what did I miss
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So Cyan is your last mafia buddy?
Soulreading Iso as scum now for the pfffft comment. Unless Yanni came back from the dead and possessed his body. God, where is Artifice, Arch, and whoever else was in that God awful Starcraft game?
#triggered
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Make a case of your own, instead of riding TIM like a rodeo bull. Or admit you can't read me for *****.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Let me ask a question to anyone else: It feels very few people have town Wildfire/Anak over any other players (mixed on me, Iso, Tim, even someone had a wolf read on Axel, I think). I feel a bit worried that there is too much concensus going on, even before lists are done.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Draft my cube! (630 cards)
I'm probably pretty close to where I was yesterday, in that I haven't really reviewed anything in light of Chris/Bur flips. What I want to do, and probably will when I have more time, is a full-on wagon analysis of Bur. Like I used to do, in the good old days...sigh.
Anyway, it's currently something like:
Strongly Leaning Town:
TheIceMan
Manders
DV
Leaning Town:
Shadow
GJ
Neutral:
Cyan
Wildfire
Cythare
Leaning Scum:
Iso
Seppel
Anak
Strongly Leaning Scum:
Tom
Tordeck
Pretty much. Ignoring TIM the tool (man), and tom, everyone seems ok with either of those two. I trust my reads, but here's the thing: Unless tom AND TIM are both wolves, why is there no real opposite push? Seppel is a nuetral. Either Anak/Wild are both wolves and there is a ***** ton of distancing/busing going on, or we are staring at at least one townie in those two.
@ANAKINONMYBACKDOOR: You have exactly one chance, and I need a straightforward answer: Are you aware of TAre's last Starcraft game, in particular, Seppel?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
PFFTFFT
THAT WAS STARGATE NOT STARCRAFT OMG GET THE GAMES RIGHT
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He designs with sheer brilliance, then fails to playtest his designs or even make sure what he wrote are sentences.
No reason to.
The Family
All I hear is my name is Seppel, and Ima BIG CHICKEN.
@Iso: I don't know. Those names are all jibberish to me, and even if they weren't, I am going to go back to repressing that memory. Your response to your brother did not strike as a "lolseppel, you can't read me"
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You could make a case. Or we could just go back to back.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Anak is the only read I've felt good about the entire game, so. If he's town then **** me I guess.
Well, tom hasn't exactly been the pushiest this game in general. Also your Anak/Wild statement is kind of a no-brainer. Either they're both scum or they aren't.
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No, Starcraft happened years ago. Stargate happened after Majora's Mask.
Sorry I don't fit your preconceived notion of what I act like as town - oh wait, no I'm not.
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I am saying if you were to take the pulse of the game, the concensus seems to be w/w. My point is that I don't they are both wolves, even though I have both of them as wolf reads.
IT's waffley as ****, I know. Between the two, I think Wildfire is a good start.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Unvote.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Glad that's settled.
I expect you to convince me you're Town. You've yet to do so.
And? So you have a better long-term memory than I do.
Don't insult my ******* intelligence. That's elementary-level logic.
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compelling rebuttal
get lynched
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@Manders: Have you read my posts?
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One of Anak/Wildfire
Iso/tom/Axel
Say whaaaaaat
The GJ way path to no lynching:
wait, who is scumreading TIM?
Isn't it cute how the scumteam is retorting to non-answers and ad hom? They're getting their jimmies all rustled.
What exactly are you saying?
no u
I just want you to play the game instead of being useless off the back of yet another Neutral falseclaim. THAT'S why I'm rustled.
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Yes, but I probably should (and will) again.
You've given me literally nothing to give answers to, so yeah, you get non-answers and ad hom. Deal with it.
THIS.
BTW if you guys actually believe Wildfire has something up his sleeve, you're fools. He's playing you in the hopes that it'll save his ass. He'll come back with, "Oh, I misread, I can't do it to myself," or some ***** like that. Mark my words.
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@Wildfire: sooner rather than later would be better for whatever you're doing.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Only have my banking Final in like 40 mins taking a break just to flip through some of this.
I don't know exactly whats going on with the Seppel thing.
But I'm just going to say hes probabally not the SK and there is a very good chance that there isn't an SK this game. For my role reasons and what happened last night.
K THX!
#15 is an RVS post, but not one I'm a particular fan of. The "Vote Tom" is completely disconnected from the apparently serious question of D_V's trolling. It all feels a bit nervous.
In #93, he/she seems genuinely unconcerned about being scumread.
#108 is Anak's initial overreaction to Cyan. There are two points worth mentioning here. First, Anak isn't really concerned about Cyan's "weaksauce" reasoning - he/she's concerned at being the target of that reasoning. Second, the post over which Cyan voted (#102) isn't particularly noteworthy. So why is Anak so upset? One possibility, as I speculated earlier, is that Anak and Cyan are both scum and that Anak is frustrated that Cyan is already busing him over effectively nothing. The other option is that Cyan somehow nailed Anak, and Anak is upset because he/she doesn't feel his/her behavior merited being singled out. I don't see a town mindset here.
#251 also concerns Cyan's vote. It's a complete over-justification - if Anak knew it was "looking for a reaction" and "called it as [he/she] saw it" then he/she clearly wouldn't have given Cyan exactly the reaction he wanted.
#462 is an interesting post, and I would welcome feedback on my interpretation. The take on Shadow is a bit-part piece of analysis of a bit-part player. The question to Tom is empty, as if Anak knows Tom well enough to know that he doesn't usually have a handle on games early, he also knows when he's likely to start taking stronger positions. The read on Wildfire feels a bit like glomming onto my position, but the comment to the effect that "I polish my posts carefully as scum" seems extremely townie. I don't think scum make comments to this effect (i.e. actively point to their own playstyle). And even if they do, I think they're likely to tell the truth (actively drawing attention to your own scum meta and then blatantly lying about it isn't a great move). So I'm going to assume that scum-Anak does overthink his posts, and if there's one thing I can say about Anak's posts thus far, it's that they don't seem overthought. They seem much more visceral and emotional, rather than overly wrought.
#654 shows that Anak still has this strange fixation on Cyan. Feels a bit like scum trying to assuage Cyan's earlier read.
#755, as I've mentioned earlier, is a bad post given that Anak hasn't mentioned Bur all game and is now not "dissuaded" by his/her claim.
#775 reads as spreading disinformation. We also know that Anak has a strong claim, town or scum.
Through #847, #854, and #950, I'm town, GJ is town, and Cyan is probably town. Looks like Anak is having real trouble coming up with scum reads. This could be because he/she is cautious scum, but it's also entirely possible that he/she simply doesn't have a good handle on the game. I've felt that at times too thus far, so it's certainly not an unreasonable position to hold.
In #1052 Anak says he/she "still" supports a Bur lynch and still believes Tordeck to be scum. These views feel a bit fabricated as they only really arose in conjunction with their respective wagons.
#1167 I think is a legitimately good post filled with analysis. I don't agree with most of it, but it reads like a genuine attempt to scumhunt.
Wrapping up, I feel super conflicted. There's the weird fixation with Cyan, which feels a bit like a scum pocket attempt after that initial overreaction. On the other hand, there's that mid-D1 self-meta-read which just doesn't really fit his/her play this game, and there's the start of D2 where he/she seems to be making a genuine effort. I do think this looks pretty bad for Iso, though, whose "kill it with fire" read on Anak looks like an attempt to gloss over a genuinely complicated set of posts and throw his weight behind the wagon. Unvote. Vote Iso.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
vote iso
I've already found the scumteam. Get on my level.
@Cyan if I was the one read you felt confident in, do you think ISO was turbo bussing me or has your read changed?
@TIM I'm male, to save you the trouble of typing that out each time.
Giving me two empowerments would help us out a lot, I will claim what the ability is if I get them. It most likely will be confirmable as well, depending on what happens
How do you suppose I do that if I'm scum? Does not compute.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The Rules:
If Tordeck votes for Wildfire first, Wildfire will die.
If Wildfire votes Tordeck first, Tordeck will die.
Be quick, gentlemen.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
A few survivors from other areas of the ship straggled in, cloaked in vac suits. It didn't take long for the accusations and recriminations to begin flying.
Few among the survivors were known to have an Earth Authority background, but Martrim Visser was one of them. Quiet, bookish, observant, he kept to himself mostly. Once a member of the civil police forces - but as a lab geek, not an officer. And so, when he found himself accused by one of his fellow survivors, with tempers running hot, he remained outwardly calm - but with a building anger inside. And he was not unarmed, nor helpless.
So when his fellow survivor pulled a small-caliber pistol from her side holster, he reacted by reaching for his own. But not nearly quick enough. If he'd been alive to see his corpse sink onto the deck, he might have been struck by how terribly similar his body looked in death, compared to many of the homicides he had investigated during his former career.
4. Tordeck
Name: Martrim Visser
Alignment: Town
Dossier - One of the few rebels with an ex-Earth Authority background, you used to work for the civil police forces, in the area of forensic science and cybernetics.
1-Tracker - learn who target player targets, tonight.
2- Watcher - learn who targets a player, tonight.
4 - Learn who target player targeted, the previous night. You may only activate this ability once.
Official Vote Count:
Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom
Anak - Manders, Iso
Wildfire - Cythare
Tom- DV
With 13 alive, 7 to lynch
Official Empowerment Count:
DV - Manders, Manders