Sir Chris
Name: Erther Ulysses
Alignment: Town
Dossier: Captain of the freighter, bound to take the Rebels to their secret location. Privileged with the navigational coordinates of some of the Rebels' most secret bases, you are one of the most senior Rebel officials on this mission.
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2- Steal up to 4 empowerments from another player. 3 - Next day, two target players are unlynchable. You may only activate this ability once.
Doing some re-reading as my scumreads have been bad so far and a fair number of my townreads are under heavy suspicion. I'll let you guys know what comes of it.
People I'm comfortable empowering: Megiddo (though this doesn't do anything notable), Cythare, ZOMG, shadowlancer
People I'm not comfortable empowering: Seppel, Manders, tom
People I need to reread: GJ, Axel, Cyan, Anak
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Frankly that still doesn't work with what Seppel is claiming though. Chris could make 2 people Unlynchable for one day. Exactly when was Seppel going to be "moving" this "passive" ability from one person to another? How does it work with his claim that he gets "something" when no one has their original passive abilities anymore? I'll tell you how, it doesn't.
Basically, Seppel is still full of baloney. The only thing he's done which seems Townish is try to warn DV about the Wildfire shootout. That counts for something if WF flips scum. But frankly - for you people who think WF is Town - it should mean precisely nothing. Scum would have been perfectly happy for anyone to lose if that was a Town/Town situation, so why not go for Town points trying to "warn" DV?
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I am, however, willing to put my Empower vote somewhere else. It doesn't seem like it's doing very much all by itself on Manders given what Manders has claimed.
I'm probably okay with Cythare, despite this being what Seppel wants. I'm kind of yeilding to people who have more info. than me here, which is not really a place I like to be, but I can't complain too much about it either.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Seppel has never seemed more town to me in our entire time playing together than in this game. I feel like that has to mean something positive for him.
Seppel has never seemed more town to me in our entire time playing together than in this game. I feel like that has to mean something positive for him.
Frankly that still doesn't work with what Seppel is claiming though. Chris could make 2 people Unlynchable for one day. Exactly when was Seppel going to be "moving" this "passive" ability from one person to another? How does it work with his claim that he gets "something" when no one has their original passive abilities anymore? I'll tell you how, it doesn't.
Yeah, it certainly doesn't. It also doesn't explain how Iso could have gained Unlynchable.
Seppel has never seemed more town to me in our entire time playing together than in this game. I feel like that has to mean something positive for him.
I have to assume it's because of the people attacking me and not my behavior itself.
how long are we gonna drag out this day?
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
how long are we gonna drag out this day?
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
Axelrod just did, didn't he?
Someone did. Said you and Cythare might be running some gambit by not killing D_V.
...I tried to look back and confirm who it was, but it wasn't on this page, so meh. Someone did. I 'member it.
how long are we gonna drag out this day?
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
I will happily express suspicions of you.
Especially if someone puts it out there that an alternate explanation does exist for the scum missing a kill.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
how long are we gonna drag out this day?
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
I will happily express suspicions of you.
Especially if someone puts it out there that an alternate explanation does exist for the scum missing a kill.
so is your theory that i knew the 4 people dv was protecting, didnt shoot any of them OR dv, and still managed to whiff?
man. scumtom is so unlucky
how long are we gonna drag out this day?
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
I will happily express suspicions of you.
Especially if someone puts it out there that an alternate explanation does exist for the scum missing a kill.
so is your theory that i knew the 4 people dv was protecting, didnt shoot any of them OR dv, and still managed to whiff?
man. scumtom is so unlucky
Hey, I don't have a "theory" here. I'm just recognizing that it's possible that alternate explanations exist. Maybe you did try to kill DV but "something" else happened. I'm pretty sure DV wasn't actually protecting four people either. Gambits are also a thing, as you are well aware. Like, didn't the scum team (including you) do something really screwy and/or gambitty just the very last game we played? Didn't you guys choose to NOT shoot the Cop, and just eat whatever inspection he was making (which said gambit won the game for you also?) It is entirely in the realm of possibilities for the scum to decide to SKIP a kill, just to try and make you look good. I don't put that one high up in this hypothetical realm, but it exists.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also, I confirmed the following with Az: (this is not a quote, this is what I cleared I could say with Az.)
If I target WF with my 5 power, he can still initiate the Quick Draw, but he cannot vote for the Daykill to work. The other player can, though
Interesting. So in theory, this should also mean that you can target someone else, then we can have WF enter Quick Draw with them, but they won't be able to kill him. Turning him into an actual vig for that day. Can you clarify this with Azrael?
Also, I confirmed the following with Az: (this is not a quote, this is what I cleared I could say with Az.)
If I target WF with my 5 power, he can still initiate the Quick Draw, but he cannot vote for the Daykill to work. The other player can, though
Interesting. So in theory, this should also mean that you can target someone else, then we can have WF enter Quick Draw with them, but they won't be able to kill him. Turning him into an actual vig for that day. Can you clarify this with Azrael?
I'm not empowering you toDay, Seppel. Lynch me if you have to, but it's not happening. I'm happy to empower Cythare (where my empowerment is at the moment) or ZOMG, but I'm not empowering Seppel.
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Who is actually in support of this plan? I need a headcount.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I really don't want to rely on a scumread that's potentially going to be lynched not unempowering me at the last second. Seppel can fall back on his 0 if need be, which is why he looks like the best person to be empowered by Wf/GJ.
I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/
I really don't want to rely on a scumread that's potentially going to be lynched not unempowering me at the last second. Seppel can fall back on his 0 if need be, which is why he looks like the best person to be empowered by Wf/GJ.
I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/
Who is actually in support of this plan? I need a headcount.
I'm in support of coordinating empowerment.
Specifically the distribution Seppel is suggesting? Which has him receiving 2, presumably so he can achieve his ultimate-really-good-but-super-secret ability.
I understand that some people know what this supposedly is? But I would be taking it on faith and I currently have very little faith in Seppel due to his being a lying-liarpants, hence my problem.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If you were paying attention you'd know how I can achieve my ultimate which you're scared about me achieving yet you DONT BELIEVE MY ABILITY ANYWAY SO WHAT DO YOU CARE plus I can only take one action each night PLUS I'm actually considering dumping my points to Manders or Cyan. But I know I need to prove my ability so moving ZOMG's Miller status to Cythare seems the safest option.
Specifically the distribution Seppel is suggesting?
How many times do we have to tell you that it's Cythare's suggestion?
God you're like Trump, just keep propagating lies and eventually everyone will believe you. Good plan, it worked for America. Surely it can work for a mafia game too.
Nope, get out of here with your desperation tactics.
I should review TIM because I don't remember why he's town.
Also GJ has run away.
Nope. Just yelling at high school kids to do their work.
An oddly fitting analogy for this game currently.
Still stand by my wanting to lynch WF. Everyone okay with him living for a day has to be okay with him shooting another townie. Doesn't matter where we empower today because we have no idea how much empowerment he has, regardless of what WF may say.
GJ can wait, his interactions with Iso weren't great but this wagon is horrible as well.
Not sure claiming makes sense at this point, only one scum is dead, too many ways it goes wrong still.
What/who are you referring when you say the GJ wagon is horrible? It's basically the exact same people that were on the Wildfire wagon. I agree with the rest of your stuff on Wildfire, but I'm also curious about where you actually stand on GJ other than his interactions with Iso (and/or what about his interactions with Iso you think are of concern).
Then unless you just decided you don't care about winning, there is no way you are your claimed role.
Petition: Lynch Iso/Seppel today, empower wildfire to shoot the other tomorrow.
Partly because there is likely at least one wolf in those two
Partly because it will make Manders sad to lose both her buddies.
Partly because it will make me happy to wipe the smug look off both their faces.
So thats the main post that just comes off as a blatant misdirect, Iso is the main wagon and its not slowing down. Attempting to derail it with further speculation into Seppels motive/role/anything doesn't do anything but make GJ look like Iso's buddy, especially with the fact that Iso was townreading GJ at this point.
The problem I am running into now looking back through this is that I don't believe scum!GJ would implicate scum!WF into shooting scum!Iso as the attempt to derail the wagon. Tying the entire team together like that would bring them all down once Iso (rather inevitably at this point) flips scum. That makes one of GJ and WF town, and since I am firmly on the scum!WF train, GJ has to be town. Which makes me uncomfortable as that diversion attempt is giving me a sour feeling.
I really don't want to rely on a scumread that's potentially going to be lynched not unempowering me at the last second. Seppel can fall back on his 0 if need be, which is why he looks like the best person to be empowered by Wf/GJ.
I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/
Who is actually in support of this plan? I need a headcount.
I'm in support of coordinating empowerment.
Specifically the distribution Seppel is suggesting? Which has him receiving 2, presumably so he can achieve his ultimate-really-good-but-super-secret ability.
I understand that some people know what this supposedly is? But I would be taking it on faith and I currently have very little faith in Seppel due to his being a lying-liarpants, hence my problem.
I made the list and ordered based on how much I trust people getting empowered. He ended up towards the bottom of the list, partially because he has a 0 ability anyways, and with him getting empowerment from Wildfire and GJ, because I suspect them to both be scum. Do you have a scumread on Seppel or just a liarpants read?
So thats the main post that just comes off as a blatant misdirect, Iso is the main wagon and its not slowing down. Attempting to derail it with further speculation into Seppels motive/role/anything doesn't do anything but make GJ look like Iso's buddy, especially with the fact that Iso was townreading GJ at this point.
The problem I am running into now looking back through this is that I don't believe scum!GJ would implicate scum!WF into shooting scum!Iso as the attempt to derail the wagon. Tying the entire team together like that would bring them all down once Iso (rather inevitably at this point) flips scum. That makes one of GJ and WF town, and since I am firmly on the scum!WF train, GJ has to be town. Which makes me uncomfortable as that diversion attempt is giving me a sour feeling.
But in this post, he also tries to subtly suggest lynching Seppel instead to see if it will gain ground. If this can gain ground, then he can try to convince Iso and Wildfire to Quick Draw, and when one flips scum, it "clears" the other. Also, while he did put Wildfire as his highest scumread, most of his interactions come with qualifiers after the list - he mostly said that one of you/Wildfire was scum with a lean towards Wildfire.
I don't know if this works, or if there's buy-in, but zomg isn't horribly active, so we don't know what he'd benefit from. TIM also never asked for empowerment other than to keep it out of scum hands. This makes wildfire happy and is lower risk if he unempowers zomg, still keeps Seppel towards the bottom, and lets the others who aren't buying in stay where they want other than Axelrod, who I don't know if I can convince. Axelrod, would you empower Cyan?
Now for the actual post I was working on. I spent the morning going through and doing interaction analysis with Iso, based on how I think Prophylaxis does it?
Based on this alone, I'm fairly confident that zomg, tom, and Seppel are not scum with Iso. The clear weak points with this are myself, Wildfire, and Axelrod, with Anak and Cyan closeish behind. It's maybe worth noting that most of the interaction for myself, Cyan, and Anak came late in Iso's wagon on D2. I removed Megiddo from the list because he was in Spec Chat the whole time that Iso was alive, and I didn't know how to weigh his posts.
I think this is convincing me that we should go with Wildfire again for now.
not that i trust you at all
but manders using my empowerment to let you try your luck against me tomorrow would be pretty hilarious
anyone empowering wildfire has to at least consider the possibility scumwildfire with his weird reads just mowing down lurker town.
especially if iso flips scum with the hard defending.
you dont bus a buddy that theoretically doubles your teams kill power.
i think proph nailed it
I had forgotten about this and this is a large part of what's convincing me to circle back around to Wildfire.
@Megs: I doubt that to the extreme.
Well good because it's Cythare's filthy paws.
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So we're currently just cooling our heels waiting for ZOMG, right?
@ Az: Is he due for a prod?
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People I'm comfortable empowering: Megiddo (though this doesn't do anything notable), Cythare, ZOMG, shadowlancer
People I'm not comfortable empowering: Seppel, Manders, tom
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Basically, Seppel is still full of baloney. The only thing he's done which seems Townish is try to warn DV about the Wildfire shootout. That counts for something if WF flips scum. But frankly - for you people who think WF is Town - it should mean precisely nothing. Scum would have been perfectly happy for anyone to lose if that was a Town/Town situation, so why not go for Town points trying to "warn" DV?
I'm probably okay with Cythare, despite this being what Seppel wants. I'm kind of yeilding to people who have more info. than me here, which is not really a place I like to be, but I can't complain too much about it either.
people always say that about me when im scum
I have to assume it's because of the people attacking me and not my behavior itself.
theres 2 choices, one is lock scum and one has killed 2 townies. (well, 7 townies and 2 scum but lolspecops)
theyre both fine lynches tbh and i would hammer either to end the day
still expecting to die tonight
someone besides wildfire should express suspicion of me so they think im lynchable
Someone did. Said you and Cythare might be running some gambit by not killing D_V.
...I tried to look back and confirm who it was, but it wasn't on this page, so meh. Someone did. I 'member it.
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GJ empowers Seppel
WF empowers Seppel
Cythare empowers ZOMG
Axelrod empowers Cythare
Tom empowers Cyan
ZOMG empowers Cyan
Megiddo empowers ZOMG
I will happily express suspicions of you.
Especially if someone puts it out there that an alternate explanation does exist for the scum missing a kill.
man. scumtom is so unlucky
Hey, I don't have a "theory" here. I'm just recognizing that it's possible that alternate explanations exist. Maybe you did try to kill DV but "something" else happened. I'm pretty sure DV wasn't actually protecting four people either. Gambits are also a thing, as you are well aware. Like, didn't the scum team (including you) do something really screwy and/or gambitty just the very last game we played? Didn't you guys choose to NOT shoot the Cop, and just eat whatever inspection he was making (which said gambit won the game for you also?) It is entirely in the realm of possibilities for the scum to decide to SKIP a kill, just to try and make you look good. I don't put that one high up in this hypothetical realm, but it exists.
If I target WF with my 5 power, he can still initiate the Quick Draw, but he cannot vote for the Daykill to work. The other player can, though
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Interesting. So in theory, this should also mean that you can target someone else, then we can have WF enter Quick Draw with them, but they won't be able to kill him. Turning him into an actual vig for that day. Can you clarify this with Azrael?
As a reminder, we are waiting on the following actions before we can end the day:
GJ empowers Seppel
WF empowers Seppel
Cythare empowers ZOMG
Axelrod empowers Cythare
Tom empowers Cyan
ZOMG empowers Cyan
Megiddo empowers ZOMG
Why? It gives us a way to control any damage WF could do with his ability and turn him into a second lynch basically. Sounds great to me.
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I'm not empowering you toDay, Seppel. Lynch me if you have to, but it's not happening. I'm happy to empower Cythare (where my empowerment is at the moment) or ZOMG, but I'm not empowering Seppel.
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WF empowers Cythare
Cythare empowers ZOMG
Axelrod empowers Seppel
Tom empowers Cyan
ZOMG empowers Cyan
Megiddo empowers ZOMG
Same result. But just do it please.
I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/ I'm in support of coordinating empowerment.
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Specifically the distribution Seppel is suggesting? Which has him receiving 2, presumably so he can achieve his ultimate-really-good-but-super-secret ability.
I understand that some people know what this supposedly is? But I would be taking it on faith and I currently have very little faith in Seppel due to his being a lying-liarpants, hence my problem.
God you're like Trump, just keep propagating lies and eventually everyone will believe you. Good plan, it worked for America. Surely it can work for a mafia game too.
Nope, get out of here with your desperation tactics.
So thats the main post that just comes off as a blatant misdirect, Iso is the main wagon and its not slowing down. Attempting to derail it with further speculation into Seppels motive/role/anything doesn't do anything but make GJ look like Iso's buddy, especially with the fact that Iso was townreading GJ at this point.
The problem I am running into now looking back through this is that I don't believe scum!GJ would implicate scum!WF into shooting scum!Iso as the attempt to derail the wagon. Tying the entire team together like that would bring them all down once Iso (rather inevitably at this point) flips scum. That makes one of GJ and WF town, and since I am firmly on the scum!WF train, GJ has to be town. Which makes me uncomfortable as that diversion attempt is giving me a sour feeling.
Because they think I'm scum or something.
Despite Cythare coming up with the plan.
Despite the plan being a good plan.
Despite my attempt to save DV's life.
Ridiculous.
Cythare (2) - Seppel, Cyan(?)
shadowlancerx (2) - Tom, GJ
Tom (0)
Megiddo (0)
zomgarcwind (2) - WF, Megiddo
Cyan (4) - Manders, Axelrod(?), Anaklusmos, shadowlancerx
Seppel (2) - zomg, Cythare
I don't know if this works, or if there's buy-in, but zomg isn't horribly active, so we don't know what he'd benefit from. TIM also never asked for empowerment other than to keep it out of scum hands. This makes wildfire happy and is lower risk if he unempowers zomg, still keeps Seppel towards the bottom, and lets the others who aren't buying in stay where they want other than Axelrod, who I don't know if I can convince. Axelrod, would you empower Cyan?
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Based on this alone, I'm fairly confident that zomg, tom, and Seppel are not scum with Iso. The clear weak points with this are myself, Wildfire, and Axelrod, with Anak and Cyan closeish behind. It's maybe worth noting that most of the interaction for myself, Cyan, and Anak came late in Iso's wagon on D2. I removed Megiddo from the list because he was in Spec Chat the whole time that Iso was alive, and I didn't know how to weigh his posts.
I think this is convincing me that we should go with Wildfire again for now.
Some specific posts that caught my eye:
I had forgotten about this and this is a large part of what's convincing me to circle back around to Wildfire.
This just looks bad, since it's an attempt to get town credit for calling something early.
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