Thanks johnny.
Your endorsement means a lot :eyeroll:
Where's your fire, bro?
Growl at someone. Stir ***** up.
We'll ignore whatever you say anyway because antispew, but it will be cathartic
1). DV made a very valid point about why he isn't dead. It really isn't my opinion, I just agree with someone else's.
2). I would rather you just lynch me. I want to see these ****ers just try to come back from it. IT astonishes me Wildfire wasn't just auto dunked for that DV shot. I made a really valid point that his DV shot made no sense when both Manders and Seppel was reading wolfier than him.
So you're good with a scum WF killing another townie tomorrow? I assume you would lynch him if he does this?
I'm not "good" with him killing a Townie, no. I am actually quite the opposite and have made that very clear. If he were to kill another Townie tomorrow, he would be lynched, yes.
he so completely clammed up after the shot too, which is weird.
That's just completely untrue. His activity is exactly as it has been all game. He comes and goes. Also, literally, after the shot, he was here, defending his action as best he could, ITT.
@ Cythare: Did you claim how many empowerment you need? I forget and don't feel like looking it up.
CLEARLY YOURE UPSET ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO YOURE GOING TO BE LAUGHING AT, RIGHT?
I don't actually care.
Manders, Cyan, tom to a lesser extent. Normally I would just hit a button and see the vote count, so going back is irritating. I would rather just do nothing.
I have always had a rule in every game I do that if I am not having fun, I need to stop playing.
It's sad, but I am not having fun on mtgs anymore. In a way, it's a shadow of the game I used to remember I love. I blame Curse for about 95% of the issues, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a problem. The only reason I have stayed as long as I have is that I like quite a few of the players I play with. And I despise replacements. I might be an ********, but I'll be damned if I ever turn into a hypocrite.
The secret to being the ultimate wall? Ultimately not caring.
Why is it sad that Tom has the best reads? He's participating well, he's town, and I like how he came about with his reads.
I was pretty much wolf reading him all the way until DV revealed his reason for tom being almost lock town. I suppose if I cared about the sub game, megs probably has the best instincts.
Cyan: Declares he has to be town based on his progression and tunneling on me and Anak
tom: Likely lock town due to interactions with DV
Manders: Still in the town pile, just not top tier town, and this was long before you voted me
Wildfire: Was voting him day 1 when I was his strongest town read
What the **** are you watching? I know you are supposed to be ignoring me, but seriously. What ******* game are you watching? Do you even remember what the acroynym OMGUS means, or are you as bad as Cyan and just like spewing off random mafia lingo to try and make yourself sound right? You have the most posts in this than any other player, yet it feels like you have said the ******* least about anyone else. I liked you before because of tone, and slightly similiar reads. That's it. I don't know what ******* trip your on, or if you just think barning Cyan is still the correct play after all these years, but after I flip, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror, and re-evaluate your reads before you sink the whole game.
Or, if you are a wolf. Keep wolfing ;). When I die, you are going to start being looked at anyway.
GJ should I vote you to punish you for not caring?
Probably. Only after you vote yourself (if you are town) for pulling such a ***** gambit. What exactly did you do, apart from cause chaos and dissent, and only outted yourself after 3 players were all spiked and no passive abilities were revealed?
You had stopped being a dick. I don't know why you feel the need to insult rather than just play the game, but ok.
So IF we lynch you and IF you flip Town, other than WF, who should we look into? Who do you think are the last Scum?
How about you answer the ******* point, that you were wrong about your OMGUS, rather than just calling me a dick for the umpteenth time.
2nd time.
Are you not attacking those who are voting you?
Case closed. Now you answer MY question. Or replace out if you're not going to play the game.
Anyone voting me over wildfire is either town mislynching or a wolf. Anyone who voted Bur was town mislynching or a wolf. This isn't rocket science either.
Case closed my ass. This is how people like Trump get to win the White House: Some person thinks making a *****ty strawman and then states 'case closed' is good enough for a debate.
Attacking someone =/= OMGUS. OMGUS = either voting the player, or calling that player a wolf after they call you a wolf/vote for you. Just in case you forgot
And just for you, ignoring WF, I would say PoE points to the team in Seppel > Cythare. Maybe put Anak back in if one of those flips town, but shadow is still likely town.
Attacking someone =/= OMGUS. OMGUS = either voting the player, or calling that player a wolf after they call you a wolf/vote for you. Just in case you forgot
And just for you, ignoring WF, I would say PoE points to the team in Seppel > Cythare. Maybe put Anak back in if one of those flips town, but shadow is still likely town.
See, he's trying to crush the townbloc and failing.
Attacking someone =/= OMGUS. OMGUS = either voting the player, or calling that player a wolf after they call you a wolf/vote for you. Just in case you forgot
And just for you, ignoring WF, I would say PoE points to the team in Seppel > Cythare. Maybe put Anak back in if one of those flips town, but shadow is still likely town.
See, he's trying to crush the townbloc and failing.
lynch wildfire
>lynch gj regardless of wf's flip
>>if gj scum, lynch axel
>>>axel scum, lynch anak
>>>axel town, lynch manders
>>if gj is town (lol), lynch manders
>>>if manders is town, lynch axel
>>>if scum, lynch cyan
the decision trees go a little further than this but its hard to format it legibly
seppel is not clear, but hes also not scum with gj
cyan can probably only be scum if manders is too
anak is likely a blindspot for me because i put myself in the position of defending him when the reasons for reading him scum were terrible, and i stayed in that mode. he certainly belongs in the poe and my opinion of him should probably not even be taken into account
towncircle me/megs/cyth/shadow
town outer circle zomg/seppel/cyan
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
How are you confirmed Town? Seriously, I would like you to walk me through the logic that leads to you being "pretty much confirmed."
I feel okay about Megs. almost based solely on the fact that two mafia already flipped from the spec. forum, and 3 would seem unbalanced. On the other hand, given the nature of the spec forum, it is entirely possibly Az would not have felt the need to keep Town/Scum numbers is the same proportions as the actual game. I really only skimmed that spec thread, but I'm okay with what Megs is doing here since he came in.
WF took a parting shot on the most powerful town role we had at the time knowing he was one of the most likely to die today. Of course he wouldn't have a better excuse than he has presented, it's because he is is straight lying.
@Cyan I don't believe for a second you would never activate that ability, and calling it bad play regardless of alignment is beyond disingenuous.
Vote wildfire
I am noting this post just to say that, if WF does flip scum, I think it basically clears Anak. I don't think he makes this post this way at this time to bus his scum-buddy.
After careful consideration, Cythare's is now in charge of all actions regarding this game.
All of them.
and to confirm what DV said once again, I burned my one way chat on trying to notify DV that WF was attacking
At risk of sounding out of touch, when did Cythare get "confirmed" again either? I have no especially bad feeling about him, but all I remember is Tom saying he was basically confirmed for secret reasons (i.e. hidden communications between him/DV/Cythare) Which is all well and good for Tom, but hardly qualifies as lock-clear. Are you just taking Tom's word for it here? Or are you basing it on something else?
To answer your questions: @ Axel If someone I target with my kill-removal ability tries to submit the Mafia NK, they will be told it failed.
This is the 5 empower ability? Is that right?
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GJ making stuff up to try to force through a bad WF lynch. Who knew!
This is the definition of flailing scum. GJ knows that he is getting lynched ultimately, and is just trying to pull through one more town mislynch first, by any means necessary. Especially since WF is basically the Vig.
Also, what were you guys saying about someone claiming Miller? It's a little hard to believe that a Miller would exist when the Cop is already kind of neutered.
WF is not "basically the Vig."
And TIM claimed at the beginning of D2 that he was now a Miller. I was assuming some kind of scum ability to make him such. If that's NOT the case, then I'd like new TIM (can't remember your name, sorry) to clarify it ASAP.
Axelrod needs to get in here and claim to Cythare.
I do not understand this plan.
I'm willing to do a link to someone, but I haven't found a real compelling reason to do it yet.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I should review TIM because I don't remember why he's town.
Also GJ has run away.
Nope. Just yelling at high school kids to do their work.
An oddly fitting analogy for this game currently.
Still stand by my wanting to lynch WF. Everyone okay with him living for a day has to be okay with him shooting another townie. Doesn't matter where we empower today because we have no idea how much empowerment he has, regardless of what WF may say.
GJ can wait, his interactions with Iso weren't great but this wagon is horrible as well.
Not sure claiming makes sense at this point, only one scum is dead, too many ways it goes wrong still.
Nah man he's clearly TSTBS we'll give him a pass until we're all dead.
Cut off the leg to save the body.
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1). DV made a very valid point about why he isn't dead. It really isn't my opinion, I just agree with someone else's.
2). I would rather you just lynch me. I want to see these ****ers just try to come back from it. IT astonishes me Wildfire wasn't just auto dunked for that DV shot. I made a really valid point that his DV shot made no sense when both Manders and Seppel was reading wolfier than him.
3). 99.9% is not a great statistic, mate.
4). Work on your trolling skills tom.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm not "good" with him killing a Townie, no. I am actually quite the opposite and have made that very clear. If he were to kill another Townie tomorrow, he would be lynched, yes.
That's just completely untrue. His activity is exactly as it has been all game. He comes and goes. Also, literally, after the shot, he was here, defending his action as best he could, ITT.
@ Cythare: Did you claim how many empowerment you need? I forget and don't feel like looking it up.
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Can't compete. I don't even want to see your list because I going by your poe, I could probably turn it upside down and be ok with it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Who?
And your right, it isn't about punishment. It's about recognizing bad play from wolf play, and understanding that two aren't mutually exclusive.
(and I know. I am trying to be all angry, and my phone puts the wrong thing in. Really. Twice now in a 24 hour period. It's tilting sometimes).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Who are these people?
*Points to people who were voting WF previously*
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
CLEARLY YOURE UPSET ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO YOURE GOING TO BE LAUGHING AT, RIGHT?
I don't actually care.
Manders, Cyan, tom to a lesser extent. Normally I would just hit a button and see the vote count, so going back is irritating. I would rather just do nothing.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
He's just OMGUSing his way through this Day.
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It's sad, but I am not having fun on mtgs anymore. In a way, it's a shadow of the game I used to remember I love. I blame Curse for about 95% of the issues, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a problem. The only reason I have stayed as long as I have is that I like quite a few of the players I play with. And I despise replacements. I might be an ********, but I'll be damned if I ever turn into a hypocrite.
The secret to being the ultimate wall? Ultimately not caring.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Manders
Because I like and respect you, I am going to ask you to read my posts towards those three players before I rip you the **** apart and take that back.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I was pretty much wolf reading him all the way until DV revealed his reason for tom being almost lock town. I suppose if I cared about the sub game, megs probably has the best instincts.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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tom: Likely lock town due to interactions with DV
Manders: Still in the town pile, just not top tier town, and this was long before you voted me
Wildfire: Was voting him day 1 when I was his strongest town read
What the **** are you watching? I know you are supposed to be ignoring me, but seriously. What ******* game are you watching? Do you even remember what the acroynym OMGUS means, or are you as bad as Cyan and just like spewing off random mafia lingo to try and make yourself sound right? You have the most posts in this than any other player, yet it feels like you have said the ******* least about anyone else. I liked you before because of tone, and slightly similiar reads. That's it. I don't know what ******* trip your on, or if you just think barning Cyan is still the correct play after all these years, but after I flip, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror, and re-evaluate your reads before you sink the whole game.
Or, if you are a wolf. Keep wolfing ;). When I die, you are going to start being looked at anyway.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Probably. Only after you vote yourself (if you are town) for pulling such a ***** gambit. What exactly did you do, apart from cause chaos and dissent, and only outted yourself after 3 players were all spiked and no passive abilities were revealed?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So IF we lynch you and IF you flip Town, other than WF, who should we look into? Who do you think are the last Scum?
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How about you answer the ******* point, that you were wrong about your OMGUS, rather than just calling me a dick for the umpteenth time.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I wouldn't dare try to match you tit for tat.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Are you not attacking those who are voting you?
Case closed. Now you answer MY question. Or replace out if you're not going to play the game.
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We're getting spicy in here.
Anyone voting me over wildfire is either town mislynching or a wolf. Anyone who voted Bur was town mislynching or a wolf. This isn't rocket science either.
Case closed my ass. This is how people like Trump get to win the White House: Some person thinks making a *****ty strawman and then states 'case closed' is good enough for a debate.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
And just for you, ignoring WF, I would say PoE points to the team in Seppel > Cythare. Maybe put Anak back in if one of those flips town, but shadow is still likely town.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You are the only one on. And you aren't actively doing/saying stupid things.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Inevitability.
He's scum, and he can't see a way to win against the growing, unstoppable townbloc.
You can't even call me town or scum?
Well then, just lynch me. Let WF shoot another townie, if that's what it takes.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
How does Iso actually put up with you?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Manders 288 (+26)
tomsloger 259
Gentleman Johnny 255
Seppel 146
shadowlancerx 124
Cythare 118
Wildfire393 99
Cyan 83
Axelrod 68
zomgarcwind 2 (+66)
Azrael 51
Anaklusmos 42
Megiddo 20
I could see GJ hopelessly power wolfing, since his buddies have less than 100 posts.
I agree with this. Why didn't this come with a vote, though?
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How original.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm waiting on Axelrod to claim to you as well as other possible stragglers.
heres how the game would go if i were in charge:
lynch wildfire
>lynch gj regardless of wf's flip
>>if gj scum, lynch axel
>>>axel scum, lynch anak
>>>axel town, lynch manders
>>if gj is town (lol), lynch manders
>>>if manders is town, lynch axel
>>>if scum, lynch cyan
the decision trees go a little further than this but its hard to format it legibly
seppel is not clear, but hes also not scum with gj
cyan can probably only be scum if manders is too
anak is likely a blindspot for me because i put myself in the position of defending him when the reasons for reading him scum were terrible, and i stayed in that mode. he certainly belongs in the poe and my opinion of him should probably not even be taken into account
towncircle me/megs/cyth/shadow
town outer circle zomg/seppel/cyan
errybody else can die
Also GJ has run away.
Nope. Just yelling at high school kids to do their work.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
How are you confirmed Town? Seriously, I would like you to walk me through the logic that leads to you being "pretty much confirmed."
I feel okay about Megs. almost based solely on the fact that two mafia already flipped from the spec. forum, and 3 would seem unbalanced. On the other hand, given the nature of the spec forum, it is entirely possibly Az would not have felt the need to keep Town/Scum numbers is the same proportions as the actual game. I really only skimmed that spec thread, but I'm okay with what Megs is doing here since he came in.
I am noting this post just to say that, if WF does flip scum, I think it basically clears Anak. I don't think he makes this post this way at this time to bus his scum-buddy.
WF flipping town is a whole other kettle of fish.
I have not used mine.
At risk of sounding out of touch, when did Cythare get "confirmed" again either? I have no especially bad feeling about him, but all I remember is Tom saying he was basically confirmed for secret reasons (i.e. hidden communications between him/DV/Cythare) Which is all well and good for Tom, but hardly qualifies as lock-clear. Are you just taking Tom's word for it here? Or are you basing it on something else?
This is the 5 empower ability? Is that right?
WF is not "basically the Vig."
And TIM claimed at the beginning of D2 that he was now a Miller. I was assuming some kind of scum ability to make him such. If that's NOT the case, then I'd like new TIM (can't remember your name, sorry) to clarify it ASAP.
Agree. Except I think I'm more convinved about WF's alignment than either of you two.
I do not understand this plan.
I'm willing to do a link to someone, but I haven't found a real compelling reason to do it yet.
An oddly fitting analogy for this game currently.
Still stand by my wanting to lynch WF. Everyone okay with him living for a day has to be okay with him shooting another townie. Doesn't matter where we empower today because we have no idea how much empowerment he has, regardless of what WF may say.
GJ can wait, his interactions with Iso weren't great but this wagon is horrible as well.
Not sure claiming makes sense at this point, only one scum is dead, too many ways it goes wrong still.
@Tom: Tell Axelrod to claim to Cythare.