in honor of voxx flipping scum, lets do a voxx style elimination post:
anak
axel
cyan
cyth
gj
manders
megs
seppel
shadow
tim>zomg
tom
wildfire
ok.
im town
also pretty sure im lock clear between knowing dv's role/targets and interactions with iso
megs is town unless spec ops was 3 town 3 scum before proph joined
tom-megs
anak
axel
cyan
cyth
gj
manders
seppel
shadow
tim>zomg
wildfire
between role/role usage, dv's thoughts on their chat, and ~other stuff, cyth is pretty damn likely to be town
shadow has been townie throughout and is currently an unCCed weak cop
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
anak
axel
cyan
gj
manders
seppel
tim>zomg
wildfire
tim was super town. zomg hasnt done anything yet, and id like to hear about the miller thing
but i dont think the slot is scum
anak has been approaching the game from a townie place, and all the cases on him are terrible.
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
tim>zomg-anak
axel
cyan
gj
manders
seppel
wildfire
seppel was always lying about being a neutral. but thats meaningless.
unlikely hes scum though, especially with iso
cyan is probably never scum unless hes exactly scum with manders.
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
tim>zomg-anak
seppel-cyan
axel
gj
manders
wildfire
axel and manders have had really townie moments, but both of them make sense with iso and have plenty of other cause for doubt
gj and wildfire are actively tied to iso, and have not been pushing any kind of townie agenda
Probably not, because I wouldn't have vigged DV with an overwhelming town sentiment toward him, regardless of my personal feelings. There was a time when I would have, but that was years ago. And without that play, WF probably doesn't feel the need to also use Sudden Death.
Truth be told, if I'm in WF's shoes, I probably never activate Sudden Death in the entire game. But it's not scum play for him to do so, it's bad play regardless of alignment.
Also, I don't know what you're saying I'm 0/2 about. I opposed the Bur lynch and pushed the Iso one.
I'm referring to you guessing my alignment. You haven't done it correctly once since ******* Hecatea, a game no one playing right now except MAYBE manders would remember. Like, spewed clear on AA and you went for the ******* big hero shot.
And now you think I'm a wolf again because why? I have been trying to solve, push people I think are wolves, while you have been doing jack *****. If your town, you tried to make the exact same case day 1 against some guy. Too scummy, so must be town. Now you are doing it again here
I mean, process of elimination is certainly a factor in this game, and you seem flatly scummier than most. Your D1 behavior was largely just nonsense, and you had some interactions with Iso that were flatly just bad.
And sometimes, people ARE 'too scummy to be scum'. That's a real thing, sorry if you're mad about it.
I also think that the scumteam sold itself short, particularly on Generic. Sacrificing him to try to give Cyan's position more chance at life was a mistake; Cyan has a hard time winning in the endgame because of Cyanoia, but Generic is always in the endgame and does pretty well at badgering everyone into letting him live.
Generic was not going to be a meaningful participant in this game. I don't even know why he replaced in, frankly. I'm also annoyed with Seppel for having to replace out and then..immediately jumping into the next available game. People shouldn't be able to do that. But that's another issue.
Generic was going to get lynched eventually, and we were in a very bad way. We had to try something drastic. Keep in mind that I couldn't claim my real role because it was completely 100% useless and wouldn't have earned me any town points, and with all of the other roles out there, all I could claim was some kind of investigation. But if I claimed that and never had a scum result, it would just look bad.
Note that I'm not saying that this was a great scum game. It was not. Plow and Kami were so obviously scum that it was just depressing, and the rest of us didn't do that much better. But it was hard to ever be too into the game when it felt like we never had anything going for us.
And sometimes, a spade is merely a spade. I thought we already covered this though from last year's Invitational. I don't invest enough emotion to feel any actual anger into a game like this. It is all about the act and how we move.
I obviously won't contest that my day 1 wasn't super great. And day 2 was during Chrismas break. So nyeh.
Assessing that someone is obviously scum in post-game, when you WERE SCUM TOO, is so radically different than what we're talking about here. Come on.
Like, if you're not scum, who is? If WF is scum, who is scum with him? At no point have you been actually trying to advance the gamestate solve the game. You're just jumping on the lowest hanging fruit in the scummiest way possible right now.
Also, I love how you say that I assume that if a play is bad, it must be wolf, and also acknowledge when I reference 'too scummy to be scum', which is literally the exact opposite. Like for real, WF's play is demonstrably bad in this game and I have readily acknowledged this, but uh..I'm not calling him scum.
You're just flailing for any excuse to make me doubt myself at this point.
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
I actually really like anak today and can't see myself voting him.
Cyans striking of rolecops feels weird. That role feels like it ends up on both sides of the fence these days, and there has been at least 1 event game I know he has been in that had one.
Johnny, why did you "really like Anak" Day 2 when he was highly vocal about wanting me lynched the whole day?
How do you feel about him Today?
Wait, are you really calling me scum because I pushed for your lynch?
Pretty sure the remaining scum team is Axel, GJ, Anak.
I just don't think WF gives himself up for dead like this if he's scum, not when he could get extra kills every day. This feels 100% like a bad town play.
There are just obvious ties between Anak and GJ, Iso and GJ, etc. I'm not completely positive that Axel is the final player there, but it makes the most sense right now.
So maybe we can get around to finally lynching Anak? Pretty please?
Vote: Anak
Unfortunately, I agree that WF is almost definitely Town, albeit terrible at it. However, he is also dangerous and untrustworthy, so he should not receive any empowerment. We cannot trust him to follow along with our plans.
Looks like i have alot to read, might take me a day or two since its so long. Can i get a couple of you to summarize the game so far in a paragraph or two?
Im assuming were fine on deadline, id like my single rvs vote though.
Vote D_V for being the biggest jackass alive (still like you though!) and man i wanted my rvs to be seeppel
Please tell us how TIM came to be a Miller. If you don't know, ask Az.
That includes the Mafia NK, btw. I haven't been able to use it.
How could it include "the mafia nightkill?" Does your ability work in secret, so they don't know they've lost the ability to kill?
Asking Azrael now, but had I created the role, any Mafia players targeted by my role who tried to submit the Mafia kill would be told it failed. I'll let you know what Az says, though.
Well I was given a list of 16 passives so I thought the game was loaded with them. So I took that as very valuable information, and my survival was important so I chose ✂ to cut out of it especially since the first day at 🏫 for you at work right below are some of them were going
Spider dance with me on facebook or anything but the person you love him and the 💭 it was a calculated it is to make it worthwhile and then we went back to the 🎊 is tomorrow night if you're free tomorrow night if you're free tomorrow night if you're free tomorrow night if
Also, @Tom re: breadcrumbing DV - IDK why I'd believe anything he was feeding to you (or why you would) after he brazenly lied to you day one and tried to get you lynched over it.
Because that's D_V!! You've never played with him, so you wouldn't know that, but THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO OTHERS WITH EXPERIENCE WITH HIM.
Or ******* VOICE YOUR CONCERNS. You never once, Today, said that was bothering you. If you had before you ******* shot, we could have told you not to worry about that. Vigs who trust their gut over the will of the Town are detrimental to the Town.
Hey I just realized how hardcore Axelrod deflected.
I called his posts useless (something he can change) and he deflected by saying my ability is useless (something I can't change).
What the heck seriously.
He's been pinging all game, and it seems weird he's not considering WF just ****ed up. Yeah, either are possible, but I think this is more possible, especially since he's never played with D_V. He still deserves every bit of ire we throw at him, but we're only one Scum down. We don't need to lynch Town right now. But we also do not need to give him the ability to kill others.
I thought WF was your top scumread that absolutely had to die today? Once someone steps out to protect him you follow suit, why the 180? Everything you thought before is undone by the "too bad to be scum" argument because why?
WF took a parting shot on the most powerful town role we had at the time knowing he was one of the most likely to die today. Of course he wouldn't have a better excuse than he has presented, it's because he is is straight lying.
@Cyan I don't believe for a second you would never activate that ability, and calling it bad play regardless of alignment is beyond disingenuous.
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
Megiddo's already connected to me. We've been two-way chatting since D1.
Regarding today's lynch, I think that either lynching wildfire or lynching gj and giving wildfire no empowerment works. My preference is Wildfire since he killed a decidedly town D_V and didn't think to check with another player to get a second opinion (he could have even used a one-way chat to ask for any other player's opinion on him but went solo instead).
@Wildfire: Have you connected to another player with your one-way chat? If so, who? If not, why not?
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
You're not remotely conf!town IMO, so any plan regarding stuff funneling through you is garbage.
@Wildfire: Have you connected to another player with your one-way chat? If so, who? If not, why not?
I have not. I don't feel I have any information that would be helpful to one person in particular, so I figured I'd save it until I had something relevant to do with it.
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WF the game actions that you have performed do not align with my perceived best practices for a mafia game and I question your ability and integrity to continue with the game.
WF the game actions that you have performed do not align with my perceived best practices for a mafia game and I question your ability and integrity to continue with the game.
I'm assuming most people have already used their connection, that will make it a bit tougher to coordinate. I have already used mine.
why would you assume that, and who have you been talking to?
I connected with GJ, which I'm surprised you didn't remember, as it was discussed a page or 2 ago.
Just off the top of my head, people who have used their chat:
DV
Manders
Me
GJ
Cythare
Tom
And I'm willing to bet several more who have been less vocal about it.
Assessing that someone is obviously scum in post-game, when you WERE SCUM TOO, is so radically different than what we're talking about here. Come on.
Like, if you're not scum, who is? If WF is scum, who is scum with him? At no point have you been actually trying to advance the gamestate solve the game. You're just jumping on the lowest hanging fruit in the scummiest way possible right now.
Also, I love how you say that I assume that if a play is bad, it must be wolf, and also acknowledge when I reference 'too scummy to be scum', which is literally the exact opposite. Like for real, WF's play is demonstrably bad in this game and I have readily acknowledged this, but uh..I'm not calling him scum.
You're just flailing for any excuse to make me doubt myself at this point.
No.
Your teamates were both players that got a lot of passes on basically the TSTBS garbage. You basically argued the same thing with Ika in predator and are doing it now with Wildfire. TSTBS (or TWTBAW) are a thing, but you clearly cannot tell the difference between obv scum and that.
Both are the same thing. You are just trying to determine if play is bad and is scum, or if they are just so blatantly bad, no scum would ever do that. Your argument for wildfire is the later. If wild was under no pressure at all, and just took that shot at DV from out of the blue, I might be more inclined to believe you. But he has been wolfread since day 1. This shot is as open wolfing as you can ******* get.
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
This plan makes no sense and is impossible to enact.
I thought WF was your top scumread that absolutely had to die today? Once someone steps out to protect him you follow suit, why the 180? Everything you thought before is undone by the "too bad to be scum" argument because why?
Why the 180? Because I thought about it for 3 days. Given his relative inexperience and the fact that he had 0 experience with D_V before, it makes no sense for him to do something so blatantly and publicly scummy as Town. I still think he's dangerous and untrustworthy and, if we get to a point where it's time to POE people, he'll probably be one of the first gone, but I will not support a lynch on him Today.
@Wildfire: Have you connected to another player with your one-way chat? If so, who? If not, why not?
I have not. I don't feel I have any information that would be helpful to one person in particular, so I figured I'd save it until I had something relevant to do with it.
Something relevant like double-checking your gut when it went against the read of basically everyone in the game?
Only works if the person opens a channel back to me, really.
You're killing me, kid.
Did you not see how Tom and D_V communicated on D1? You absolutely could have asked SOMEONE YOU TRUST AS TOWN their opinion. They could have found a way to let you know. Jesus Christ.
After careful consideration, Cythare's is now in charge of all actions regarding this game.
All of them.
and to confirm what DV said once again, I burned my one way chat on trying to notify DV that WF was attacking
So why did you propose a plan EVEN YOU COULDN'T ADHERE TO? Seriously, Seppel.
To answer your questions: @ Axel If someone I target with my kill-removal ability tries to submit the Mafia NK, they will be told it failed. @ Seppel I can only target one person a night regardless of how much empowerment I have
If wild was under no pressure at all, and just took that shot at DV from out of the blue, I might be more inclined to believe you. But he has been wolfread since day 1. This shot is as open wolfing as you can ******* get.
Who was voting for him? Who was pushing for his lynch? What pressure was he under?
Just because a couple of people thought he might be Scum doesn't mean he was under pressure.
Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant,
It may. Does it bother you that I am asking?
No, it just seems like a weird thing to care about right now. TIM said that it didn't matter at the time and you didn't follow up until right after his replacement came in.
If wild was under no pressure at all, and just took that shot at DV from out of the blue, I might be more inclined to believe you. But he has been wolfread since day 1. This shot is as open wolfing as you can ******* get.
Who was voting for him? Who was pushing for his lynch? What pressure was he under?
Just because a couple of people thought he might be Scum doesn't mean he was under pressure.
He was in just about everyone's scum list. did anyone even have him in a town list?
Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant,
It may. Does it bother you that I am asking?
No, it just seems like a weird thing to care about right now. TIM said that it didn't matter at the time and you didn't follow up until right after his replacement came in.
I'm fairly certain I said something along the lines of "Fair enough."
Regardless, I'm done talking about it until he responds.
If wild was under no pressure at all, and just took that shot at DV from out of the blue, I might be more inclined to believe you. But he has been wolfread since day 1. This shot is as open wolfing as you can ******* get.
Who was voting for him? Who was pushing for his lynch? What pressure was he under?
Just because a couple of people thought he might be Scum doesn't mean he was under pressure.
He was in just about everyone's scum list. did anyone even have him in a town list?
At least one of these things is pretty easy to check. Anak was Bur's counterwagon, with Tom arguably as a second counterwagon. Tordeck, Sir Chris, and Manders were the only people ever voting Wildfire on D1 vote counts.
Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant,
It may. Does it bother you that I am asking?
No, it just seems like a weird thing to care about right now. TIM said that it didn't matter at the time and you didn't follow up until right after his replacement came in.
I'm fairly certain I said something along the lines of "Fair enough."
Regardless, I'm done talking about it until he responds.
I feel like "fair enough" in this scenario would usually mean "I'm fine leaving this alone", but I'm ok with tabling this until zomg responds.
At least one of these things is pretty easy to check. Anak was Bur's counterwagon, with Tom arguably as a second counterwagon. Tordeck, Sir Chris, and Manders were the only people ever voting Wildfire on D1 vote counts.
I'm only concerned with anything that happened on D3.
And I already know the answer. I'm trying to make GJ see that WF was under 0 pressure on D3. Because he wasn't. No one was looking his way, except to see who he was going to kill. If he WAS under pressure, he might have listened to the consensus in choosing his target. Because he felt confident in his gut and didn't feel as if he was in danger, he decided to trust his gut.
Of course that was the stupidest thing he could have done....but that doesn't make him Scum. It means he did a stupid thing.
So why did you propose a plan EVEN YOU COULDN'T ADHERE TO? Seriously, Seppel.
What is wrong with you that you can't accept that a plan evolves as more information comes to light? Nothing is set in stone and thanks for your input on these matters oh wait your input is just to attack people instead of being productive. Just stop with your attitude, it's accomplishing nothing.
At least one of these things is pretty easy to check. Anak was Bur's counterwagon, with Tom arguably as a second counterwagon. Tordeck, Sir Chris, and Manders were the only people ever voting Wildfire on D1 vote counts.
I'm only concerned with anything that happened on D3.
And I already know the answer. I'm trying to make GJ see that WF was under 0 pressure on D3. Because he wasn't. No one was looking his way, except to see who he was going to kill. If he WAS under pressure, he might have listened to the consensus in choosing his target. Because he felt confident in his gut and didn't feel as if he was in danger, he decided to trust his gut.
Of course that was the stupidest thing he could have done....but that doesn't make him Scum. It means he did a stupid thing.
That was meant as a response to GJ, but your post got there first. I didn't remember Wildfire being a D1 counterwagon to Bur, so I went and checked and surprise Wildfire was mildly wagoned before Bur, but was not a counterwagon. GJ is trying to paint Wildfire as scum for being the counterwagon to a town flip but isn't actually checking to make sure. It looks to me like he's desperately trying to gain traction on a wagon that's tempering. I still think Wildfire is the right lynch, but am becoming more convinced by a GJ lynch if enough people don't want to lynch Wildfire.
TLDR: Wildfire's actions are still scummy, and he should still be lynched, but GJ is grasping at the wrong straws to get there.
So why did you propose a plan EVEN YOU COULDN'T ADHERE TO? Seriously, Seppel.
What is wrong with you that you can't accept that a plan evolves as more information comes to light? Nothing is set in stone and thanks for your input on these matters oh wait your input is just to attack people instead of being productive. Just stop with your attitude, it's accomplishing nothing.
How is it productive to propose a plan that you know cannot be enacted from the get go? I mean, I get that plans evolve...but you literally wasted time with this proposal.
And are you really telling me to stop with my attitude? Yeah, ok Seppel. I guess you don't remember me.
That was meant as a response to GJ, but your post got there first. I didn't remember Wildfire being a D1 counterwagon to Bur, so I went and checked and surprise Wildfire was mildly wagoned before Bur, but was not a counterwagon. GJ is trying to paint Wildfire as scum for being the counterwagon to a town flip but isn't actually checking to make sure. It looks to me like he's desperately trying to gain traction on a wagon that's tempering. I still think Wildfire is the right lynch, but am becoming more convinced by a GJ lynch if enough people don't want to lynch Wildfire.
TLDR: Wildfire's actions are still scummy, and he should still be lynched, but GJ is grasping at the wrong straws to get there.
GJ making stuff up to try to force through a bad WF lynch. Who knew!
This is the definition of flailing scum. GJ knows that he is getting lynched ultimately, and is just trying to pull through one more town mislynch first, by any means necessary. Especially since WF is basically the Vig.
Also, what were you guys saying about someone claiming Miller? It's a little hard to believe that a Miller would exist when the Cop is already kind of neutered.
Publicly known info (Do not add to this list; claim to Cythare in private)
Seppel (2): 0-Destroy passives; 2-Move passives; bonus for all passives displaced.
Cyan (?): 2-Double Empowerment; 4-Give 4 permanent empowerment
Manders (?): 5-Permapacify, ?-?
Megiddo (5): No abilities.
TIM/ZOMG (?): Miller; ?-?
Axelrod (?): ?-?
Cythare (?): ?-?
Tom (?): ?-?
Shadow (?): 3-Coppish
WF (0): 2-Duel; 1-Sudden Death
GJ: (?): ?-?
I'm town again. You somehow have this glaring ******* weakspot of assuming if play is bad, is must be wolf. And GJ always rolls wolf.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
anak
axel
cyan
cyth
gj
manders
megs
seppel
shadow
tim>zomg
tom
wildfire
ok.
im town
also pretty sure im lock clear between knowing dv's role/targets and interactions with iso
megs is town unless spec ops was 3 town 3 scum before proph joined
tom-megs
anak
axel
cyan
cyth
gj
manders
seppel
shadow
tim>zomg
wildfire
between role/role usage, dv's thoughts on their chat, and ~other stuff, cyth is pretty damn likely to be town
shadow has been townie throughout and is currently an unCCed weak cop
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
anak
axel
cyan
gj
manders
seppel
tim>zomg
wildfire
tim was super town. zomg hasnt done anything yet, and id like to hear about the miller thing
but i dont think the slot is scum
anak has been approaching the game from a townie place, and all the cases on him are terrible.
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
tim>zomg-anak
axel
cyan
gj
manders
seppel
wildfire
seppel was always lying about being a neutral. but thats meaningless.
unlikely hes scum though, especially with iso
cyan is probably never scum unless hes exactly scum with manders.
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
tim>zomg-anak
seppel-cyan
axel
gj
manders
wildfire
axel and manders have had really townie moments, but both of them make sense with iso and have plenty of other cause for doubt
gj and wildfire are actively tied to iso, and have not been pushing any kind of townie agenda
tom-megs
cyth-shadow
tim>zomg-anak
seppel-cyan
axel-manders
wildfire-gj
Truth be told, if I'm in WF's shoes, I probably never activate Sudden Death in the entire game. But it's not scum play for him to do so, it's bad play regardless of alignment.
Also, I don't know what you're saying I'm 0/2 about. I opposed the Bur lynch and pushed the Iso one.
And now you think I'm a wolf again because why? I have been trying to solve, push people I think are wolves, while you have been doing jack *****. If your town, you tried to make the exact same case day 1 against some guy. Too scummy, so must be town. Now you are doing it again here
The GJ way path to no lynching:
And sometimes, people ARE 'too scummy to be scum'. That's a real thing, sorry if you're mad about it.
And sometimes, a spade is merely a spade. I thought we already covered this though from last year's Invitational. I don't invest enough emotion to feel any actual anger into a game like this. It is all about the act and how we move.
I obviously won't contest that my day 1 wasn't super great. And day 2 was during Chrismas break. So nyeh.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Like, if you're not scum, who is? If WF is scum, who is scum with him? At no point have you been actually trying to advance the gamestate solve the game. You're just jumping on the lowest hanging fruit in the scummiest way possible right now.
Also, I love how you say that I assume that if a play is bad, it must be wolf, and also acknowledge when I reference 'too scummy to be scum', which is literally the exact opposite. Like for real, WF's play is demonstrably bad in this game and I have readily acknowledged this, but uh..I'm not calling him scum.
You're just flailing for any excuse to make me doubt myself at this point.
So I'm pretty much confirmed town. So is Megiddo.
Everyone connect to Megiddo and claim in secret.
Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)
This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.
Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
I thought WF was your top scumread that absolutely had to die today? Once someone steps out to protect him you follow suit, why the 180? Everything you thought before is undone by the "too bad to be scum" argument because why?
@Cyan I don't believe for a second you would never activate that ability, and calling it bad play regardless of alignment is beyond disingenuous.
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@Wildfire: Have you connected to another player with your one-way chat? If so, who? If not, why not?
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We've got time. Let's use it.
You're not remotely conf!town IMO, so any plan regarding stuff funneling through you is garbage.
I have not. I don't feel I have any information that would be helpful to one person in particular, so I figured I'd save it until I had something relevant to do with it.
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why would you assume that, and who have you been talking to?
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I connected with GJ, which I'm surprised you didn't remember, as it was discussed a page or 2 ago.
Just off the top of my head, people who have used their chat:
DV
Manders
Me
GJ
Cythare
Tom
And I'm willing to bet several more who have been less vocal about it.
Only works if the person opens a channel back to me, really.
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Official Vote Count:
Wildfire- Cyth, Tom, GJ, Anak
Anak - MH
GJ- Cyan
With 12 alive, 7 to lynch
Official Empowerment Count:
Seppel - Cyth
Cyth- Shadow, Seppel
MH- Axelrod
Axel- MH
Shadow - Tom, GJ
Also, just to really drive my point re: WF home:
This is a town post. Through and through.
And of course Anak is voting for WF. Unvote, Vote Anak
I think it would be easier if we just straight up did a full chat link claim?
I'm linked to GJ, and he's linked back to me.
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All of them.
and to confirm what DV said once again, I burned my one way chat on trying to notify DV that WF was attacking
No.
Your teamates were both players that got a lot of passes on basically the TSTBS garbage. You basically argued the same thing with Ika in predator and are doing it now with Wildfire. TSTBS (or TWTBAW) are a thing, but you clearly cannot tell the difference between obv scum and that.
Both are the same thing. You are just trying to determine if play is bad and is scum, or if they are just so blatantly bad, no scum would ever do that. Your argument for wildfire is the later. If wild was under no pressure at all, and just took that shot at DV from out of the blue, I might be more inclined to believe you. But he has been wolfread since day 1. This shot is as open wolfing as you can ******* get.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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I don't know if you realize this or not, but just calling someone Town doesn't make them Town.
This plan makes no sense and is impossible to enact.
Why the 180? Because I thought about it for 3 days. Given his relative inexperience and the fact that he had 0 experience with D_V before, it makes no sense for him to do something so blatantly and publicly scummy as Town. I still think he's dangerous and untrustworthy and, if we get to a point where it's time to POE people, he'll probably be one of the first gone, but I will not support a lynch on him Today.
You're killing me, kid.
Did you not see how Tom and D_V communicated on D1? You absolutely could have asked SOMEONE YOU TRUST AS TOWN their opinion. They could have found a way to let you know. Jesus Christ.
This
So why did you propose a plan EVEN YOU COULDN'T ADHERE TO? Seriously, Seppel.
To answer your questions:
@ Axel If someone I target with my kill-removal ability tries to submit the Mafia NK, they will be told it failed.
@ Seppel I can only target one person a night regardless of how much empowerment I have
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Just because a couple of people thought he might be Scum doesn't mean he was under pressure.
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He was in just about everyone's scum list. did anyone even have him in a town list?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Regardless, I'm done talking about it until he responds.
And? What does any of that have to do with Day 3?
Who was voting for him?
Who was pushing for his lynch?
Don't tell me who was doing what on D1 or D2. We're talking about Today.
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And I already know the answer. I'm trying to make GJ see that WF was under 0 pressure on D3. Because he wasn't. No one was looking his way, except to see who he was going to kill. If he WAS under pressure, he might have listened to the consensus in choosing his target. Because he felt confident in his gut and didn't feel as if he was in danger, he decided to trust his gut.
Of course that was the stupidest thing he could have done....but that doesn't make him Scum. It means he did a stupid thing.
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TLDR: Wildfire's actions are still scummy, and he should still be lynched, but GJ is grasping at the wrong straws to get there.
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And are you really telling me to stop with my attitude? Yeah, ok Seppel. I guess you don't remember me.
AH, ok, my apologies.
Yes, we are in agreement on this completely.
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This is the definition of flailing scum. GJ knows that he is getting lynched ultimately, and is just trying to pull through one more town mislynch first, by any means necessary. Especially since WF is basically the Vig.
Also, what were you guys saying about someone claiming Miller? It's a little hard to believe that a Miller would exist when the Cop is already kind of neutered.
Publicly known info (Do not add to this list; claim to Cythare in private)
Seppel (2): 0-Destroy passives; 2-Move passives; bonus for all passives displaced.
Cyan (?): 2-Double Empowerment; 4-Give 4 permanent empowerment
Manders (?): 5-Permapacify, ?-?
Megiddo (5): No abilities.
TIM/ZOMG (?): Miller; ?-?
Axelrod (?): ?-?
Cythare (?): ?-?
Tom (?): ?-?
Shadow (?): 3-Coppish
WF (0): 2-Duel; 1-Sudden Death
GJ: (?): ?-?
Today's Connections (Please claim these publicly)
Seppel->DV
Tom->DV
Cythare->Megs
Megs->Cythare
Shadow->GJ
GJ->Shadow
Cyan->TIM
Manders->?
TIM/ZOMG->?
Axelrod->?
WF->?