I have had a bad feeling about DV from the very beginning, but his response for who I should shoot tipped it for me. He suggested three people who others had suspectsd/voted today but not the person he was voting, even though he claimed a bunch of reasons to suspect that person (GJ). Given that GJ has had a little traction but isn't close to being lynched, that seems like an attempt to distance himself from GJ without openly getting his buddy killed, and when DV flips scum, we can bag a twofer and take GJ down as well.
Or, given my luck, he flips town and then y'all lynch me.
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@Wildfire: The reason DV didn't pick GJ is because he thinks he can get him lynched. Why use a vigshot on someone who you can actually get lynched anyway.
Even if you didn't know this, your reasons are super shaky at best. Unless DV flips scum, I will be voting you.
Thought expereriment: Your empowerment came from Iso (conf scum), and GJ (who you just called scum). What do you make of that?
Anyway, while we're durdling, and I actually have a little bit of time, I was going to do the Iso lynch. Here's the first few.
Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom, Anak, Shadowlancer, GJ
Anak - Manders, Iso, cythare
Manders- DV
With 13 alive, 7 to lynch
Official Empowerment Count:
DV - Manders, Manders, Cythare, Anak
TIM - axelrod
Cythare - DV, shadow
Wildfire- iso, GJ
GJ - WF
Not Empowering: Cyan, Seppel, Tom, TIM
First Vote:Seppel @1209. No reason given here. Did list Iso as scum earlier in the day, but also without reason given. Looking back the day before, wasn't talking much at all about Iso, barely mentioned him. Was all about lynching Bur. The first time I can see Seppel actually making any kind of case for Iso/Scum comes at #1337 where he says Iso's "wall" post didn't come from a Townie mindset. And that the fact Iso doubted Seppel's claim when from Iso's own (claimed) role he should have known Seppel was telling the truth. Both of those are kind of weak arguments. Finally, in #1510, Seppel now seems to say the real reason he's on Iso is meta - because he's completely different from how he was in some other game that just ended. Okay.
So, despite the early vote, it's actually not that strong a case for Seppel not being on Iso's team, i.e. bus vote. It's certainly not incriminating either. Just not like, gee, everyone should trust Seppel now.
Second Vote: TIM @1285. Does an in-depth review of Anak, who's getting heat. Concludes Iso looks worse. This just doesn't come from a scum-buddy in my experience. It would be truly next-level bussing to do all that work on a player he could have easily come down voting for, and instead vote for his scum-buddy. TIM is (still) probably Town.
Third Vote: Cyan @1288. Agrees with TIM. Okay. This vote is a leeetle like Seppel's in that Cyan really hasn't had much of anything to say about Iso before this though. After this, he's all gung-ho full speed ahead, and at least part of that is for kind of poor reasons like Iso's role claim sounding like a scum role. But, all in all, it would be a pretty good bus, if it's a bus, and my gut feeling says more likely Town.
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Cyan and I were waiting for the invitational to end. Otherwise it's just poor sportsmanship to be like, "Iso is rocking it in this game. Oh, oh dear, he's playing his scum game in this one. He'd never post like this as town and there's evidence of such about how he builds cases and correctly wallboard right in front of me."
@Wildfire: The reason DV didn't pick GJ is because he thinks he can get him lynched. Why use a vigshot on someone who you can actually get lynched anyway.
Even if you didn't know this, your reasons are super shaky at best. Unless DV flips scum, I will be voting you.
Thought expereriment: Your empowerment came from Iso (conf scum), and GJ (who you just called scum). What do you make of that?
Both Manders and Anak were more likely to get lynched than GJ at the time he suggested I shoot them and not GJ.
As far as where my empowerment came from, I also got one from Tom. If GJ flips scum (which I only think he would if DV flips scum), that would mean a lot of my empowerment came from them. Maybe my reads are just backwards and they think I'm going to keep shooting town (or get myself killed)? Or could just be GJ empowered me because I empowered him. I still have no idea what Iso's motivations were.
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I'm pretty baffled right now. Agreed that D_V is Townie #1, but I'm surprised that Wildfire is openly claiming scum. It's worth noting that Wildfire did have D_V in his "likely scum" bucket from a month ago, but...yeah.
Unvote Vote Wildfire
No, that is not worth noting. He went against the wishes of the majority and hit THE MOST TOWN PERSON IN THE ******* GAME. I don't give a ***** if he's been screaming DV's Scum for a year, that is NOT how you play a vig.
IF Wildfire is Town, he just proved he's dangerous and untrustworthy. He has to go.
Start being townie then. Why did you give Wildfire any benefit of the doubt when he's effectively claiming scum? And why did you not recognize DV as 100% town?
I have had a bad feeling about DV from the very beginning, but his response for who I should shoot tipped it for me. He suggested three people who others had suspectsd/voted today but not the person he was voting, even though he claimed a bunch of reasons to suspect that person (GJ). Given that GJ has had a little traction but isn't close to being lynched, that seems like an attempt to distance himself from GJ without openly getting his buddy killed, and when DV flips scum, we can bag a twofer and take GJ down as well.
Or, given my luck, he flips town and then y'all lynch me.
That was the stupidest thing you could have done regardless of alignment. You deserve every bit of ire coming your way.
@Wildfire: The reason DV didn't pick GJ is because he thinks he can get him lynched. Why use a vigshot on someone who you can actually get lynched anyway.
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Even if you didn't know this, your reasons are super shaky at best. Unless DV flips scum, I will be voting you.
Why wait?
Thought expereriment: Your empowerment came from Iso (conf scum), and GJ (who you just called scum). What do you make of that?
I'm pretty baffled right now. Agreed that D_V is Townie #1, but I'm surprised that Wildfire is openly claiming scum. It's worth noting that Wildfire did have D_V in his "likely scum" bucket from a month ago, but...yeah.
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No, that is not worth noting. He went against the wishes of the majority and hit THE MOST TOWN PERSON IN THE ******* GAME. I don't give a ***** if he's been screaming DV's Scum for a year, that is NOT how you play a vig.
IF Wildfire is Town, he just proved he's dangerous and untrustworthy. He has to go.
Yes, it is. I get the rest of everything you said, because it echoes what was already said, but I brought it up in hopes that he would try spilling more information into the thread to justify his read/actions. You'd rather it not be brought up why?
For the record I've told Tom specific role stuff about other people too. So together Tom and I had a lot of info we were just trying to save. With my Dying breath I attempted to make sure that someone is not going to die tonight as well. So have fun with that scum.
Zzzzz I'll keep checking trying to figure out what else I can say. I guess a good T/S list would help working on that while I check for you all to ask me anything.
I opened a one-way chat instantly with DV in hopes to spam his inbox with PM notifications.
I'd recommend everyone open a one-way chat with someone like Tom to confirm they haven't used it, because I suspect some form of coordination happened to get Wildfire to show up so fast. Eh, Azrael probably just notified him. But anyway, let's burn and keep track of those one-way chats.
My ability is as I claimed it before. I can spend 0 points to destroy someone's passives and I can spend 2 points to move passives from one person to another. And I get a bonus (not going to reveal what the bonus is but it's good) as long as everyone doesn't have their original passives.
DV, I may have missed it, but what are your thoughts with Anak empowering you yesterday?
Oh **** that's right.
I keep forgetting about that.
IDK.
I think you could make Anak scum or Town. Tom thinks he is town I think IDK what I think with him. I keep putting him in the scum pile because I just have stronger town reads and by process of elimination he just ends up there every time.
I couldn't get reads on you or Anak this game.
I believe the scum team is 4 people. Unless WF is SK then it is probably 3. The way Iso went for seppel tells me they are not aligned.
Also in case people missed it WF just let something major slip.
The scum team can empower without using the thread.
"Once per game per player, empowerments may be transferred from one player to another, triggering at the end of the night period, if that player is still alive. Players with mafia alignment may freely transfer their empowerment scores at any time."
Based on your list, D_V, are you advocating not lynching Wildfire today? Or did your opinion on his alignment solidify with #1774?
No, I'll leave that up to others.
Ya'll are free to lynch him or not to.
I think knowing other people's claims he isn't our vig and I suspect he might be the SK.
His flip is pretty valuable. At this point I'd lynch him. I just don't know where to put him. Like I said I can't read crazy.
Also I guess the argument could be made that if he tries to duel someone he might just lose? IDK though he seems dangerous and has killed TWO town now.
Yes, it is. I get the rest of everything you said, because it echoes what was already said, but I brought it up in hopes that he would try spilling more information into the thread to justify his read/actions. You'd rather it not be brought up why?
Because even if he is Town, he's actively working AGAINST the Town, and therefore is dangerous. It doesn't MATTER if he had a "valid reason" to shoot DV, the fact of the matter is he shot the most Town person in the game....and apparently our ******* doctor.
I opened a one-way chat instantly with DV in hopes to spam his inbox with PM notifications.
I'd recommend everyone open a one-way chat with someone like Tom to confirm they haven't used it, because I suspect some form of coordination happened to get Wildfire to show up so fast. Eh, Azrael probably just notified him. But anyway, let's burn and keep track of those one-way chats.
My ability is as I claimed it before. I can spend 0 points to destroy someone's passives and I can spend 2 points to move passives from one person to another. And I get a bonus (not going to reveal what the bonus is but it's good) as long as everyone doesn't have their original passives.
Why did you claim Neutral?
I wasted my chat line on your ******* Scummy ass brother.
DV, I may have missed it, but what are your thoughts with Anak empowering you yesterday?
Oh **** that's right.
I keep forgetting about that.
IDK.
I think you could make Anak scum or Town. Tom thinks he is town I think IDK what I think with him. I keep putting him in the scum pile because I just have stronger town reads and by process of elimination he just ends up there every time.
I couldn't get reads on you or Anak this game.
I believe the scum team is 4 people. Unless WF is SK then it is probably 3. The way Iso went for seppel tells me they are not aligned.
Also in case people missed it WF just let something major slip.
The scum team can empower without using the thread.
So go back and look at empowers.
When did WF admit Scum can empower outside of the thread? I'm almost positive I remember Tom empowering him Yest...wait, Tom didn't have the ability to empower yesterday.
"Once per game per player, empowerments may be transferred from one player to another, triggering at the end of the night period, if that player is still alive. Players with mafia alignment may freely transfer their empowerment scores at any time."
As far as where my empowerment came from, I also got one from Tom. If GJ flips scum (which I only think he would if DV flips scum), that would mean a lot of my empowerment came from them. Maybe my reads are just backwards and they think I'm going to keep shooting town (or get myself killed)? Or could just be GJ empowered me because I empowered him. I still have no idea what Iso's motivations were.
I'm not arguing to spare him (see: where I said he claimed scum with this move and voted him), but like, if he's Town, we can take his thoughts into account, and if he's Scum, we can review it for links.
I'm not arguing to spare him (see: where I said he claimed scum with this move and voted him), but like, if he's Town, we can take his thoughts into account, and if he's Scum, we can review it for links.
I don't want people hemming and hawing over whether we should lynch this kid or not. I've been calling him scum since he entered the game and made a post full of lies. He got a pass on that post because he MAY have posted it before looking at his alignment, but think about it. IF he did make that post while not knowing his alignment and is Town, why would he maintain his bull***** reads once several people pointed out to him that his logic/statements were false?
Answer: because he is Scum and felt he had to stick to his guns to make them seem authentic.
He has pretty much disappeared since the pressure was taken off of him except to pop up every now and then TO KILL A TOWNIE.
@Manders: talk to me about what we gain by locking in a wildfire lynch before DV even flips? Yes, wildfire is the lynch today, but why is waiting for mod confirmation such a terrible thing? At this point, I have no doubt that DV is town, but any one player having no doubt about something in game is worth less than an actual flip.
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I'm not arguing that he's not the lynch or that we should be hemming or hawing. I just want to play it safe and provide him the opportunity to put the info into the thread for later. The info he's provided isn't exactly useful or compelling, though, which is a further indication he's scum.
I'm not really getting the stick to your guns part of your statement, but that's not really relevant to this discussion now.
Or, given my luck, he flips town and then y'all lynch me.
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Even if you didn't know this, your reasons are super shaky at best. Unless DV flips scum, I will be voting you.
Thought expereriment: Your empowerment came from Iso (conf scum), and GJ (who you just called scum). What do you make of that?
First Vote:Seppel @1209. No reason given here. Did list Iso as scum earlier in the day, but also without reason given. Looking back the day before, wasn't talking much at all about Iso, barely mentioned him. Was all about lynching Bur. The first time I can see Seppel actually making any kind of case for Iso/Scum comes at #1337 where he says Iso's "wall" post didn't come from a Townie mindset. And that the fact Iso doubted Seppel's claim when from Iso's own (claimed) role he should have known Seppel was telling the truth. Both of those are kind of weak arguments. Finally, in #1510, Seppel now seems to say the real reason he's on Iso is meta - because he's completely different from how he was in some other game that just ended. Okay.
So, despite the early vote, it's actually not that strong a case for Seppel not being on Iso's team, i.e. bus vote. It's certainly not incriminating either. Just not like, gee, everyone should trust Seppel now.
Second Vote: TIM @1285. Does an in-depth review of Anak, who's getting heat. Concludes Iso looks worse. This just doesn't come from a scum-buddy in my experience. It would be truly next-level bussing to do all that work on a player he could have easily come down voting for, and instead vote for his scum-buddy. TIM is (still) probably Town.
Third Vote: Cyan @1288. Agrees with TIM. Okay. This vote is a leeetle like Seppel's in that Cyan really hasn't had much of anything to say about Iso before this though. After this, he's all gung-ho full speed ahead, and at least part of that is for kind of poor reasons like Iso's role claim sounding like a scum role. But, all in all, it would be a pretty good bus, if it's a bus, and my gut feeling says more likely Town.
Both Manders and Anak were more likely to get lynched than GJ at the time he suggested I shoot them and not GJ.
As far as where my empowerment came from, I also got one from Tom. If GJ flips scum (which I only think he would if DV flips scum), that would mean a lot of my empowerment came from them. Maybe my reads are just backwards and they think I'm going to keep shooting town (or get myself killed)? Or could just be GJ empowered me because I empowered him. I still have no idea what Iso's motivations were.
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No, that is not worth noting. He went against the wishes of the majority and hit THE MOST TOWN PERSON IN THE ******* GAME. I don't give a ***** if he's been screaming DV's Scum for a year, that is NOT how you play a vig.
IF Wildfire is Town, he just proved he's dangerous and untrustworthy. He has to go.
Why are you acting like you care?
That was the stupidest thing you could have done regardless of alignment. You deserve every bit of ire coming your way.
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Time to post fast before I actually die.
Tom is town.
Cyth is town.
Seppel just tried his god damn best to warn me. I think that makes him town.
I doced 4 people last night.
Manders, Cyth, Tom and Tim.
I stopped one kill. Not sure on who though.
ASK QUESTIONS NOW.
I was waiting for Axelrod to give that same reason and he DROPPED THE BALL! DISGRACEFUL
Vote Wildfire
I legit wasn't reading Sir Chris that much as town yet. I'm going to assume that command was on Iso to kill him.
Town
D_V
Cythare
TheIceMan
tomsloger
Leaning Town
Axelrod
Seppel
Slightly Town Heck probs town But IDK something is off to me.
Manders
Cyan
Neutral
shadowlancerx
IDK how to read stupid
Wildfire393
Scum Team
Anaklusmos
Gentleman Johnny
I opened a one-way chat instantly with DV in hopes to spam his inbox with PM notifications.
I'd recommend everyone open a one-way chat with someone like Tom to confirm they haven't used it, because I suspect some form of coordination happened to get Wildfire to show up so fast. Eh, Azrael probably just notified him. But anyway, let's burn and keep track of those one-way chats.
My ability is as I claimed it before. I can spend 0 points to destroy someone's passives and I can spend 2 points to move passives from one person to another. And I get a bonus (not going to reveal what the bonus is but it's good) as long as everyone doesn't have their original passives.
It's like at the top of some page.
Oh **** that's right.
I keep forgetting about that.
IDK.
I think you could make Anak scum or Town. Tom thinks he is town I think IDK what I think with him. I keep putting him in the scum pile because I just have stronger town reads and by process of elimination he just ends up there every time.
I couldn't get reads on you or Anak this game.
I believe the scum team is 4 people. Unless WF is SK then it is probably 3. The way Iso went for seppel tells me they are not aligned.
Also in case people missed it WF just let something major slip.
The scum team can empower without using the thread.
So go back and look at empowers.
There is no way Tom is scum, because there just ain't a way that Tom lets a quadra doc exist.
"Once per game per player, empowerments may be transferred from one player to another, triggering at the end of the night period, if that player is still alive. Players with mafia alignment may freely transfer their empowerment scores at any time."
That's interesting!!
Also funny story, I was able to go quadra-doc in the original Inheritance mafia game. I had the revival chamber key.
Look at my list go from bottom up.
Oh well.
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No, I'll leave that up to others.
Ya'll are free to lynch him or not to.
I think knowing other people's claims he isn't our vig and I suspect he might be the SK.
His flip is pretty valuable. At this point I'd lynch him. I just don't know where to put him. Like I said I can't read crazy.
Also I guess the argument could be made that if he tries to duel someone he might just lose? IDK though he seems dangerous and has killed TWO town now.
I guess that's important to mention for others that might not have that mechanic.
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Worth a Try.
Goddammit.
You played a damn fine game, sir.
Why did you claim Neutral?
I wasted my chat line on your ******* Scummy ass brother.
When did WF admit Scum can empower outside of the thread? I'm almost positive I remember Tom empowering him Yest...wait, Tom didn't have the ability to empower yesterday.
OH SONOFA*****.
So busted.
Lynch the Scum.
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I'm not arguing to spare him (see: where I said he claimed scum with this move and voted him), but like, if he's Town, we can take his thoughts into account, and if he's Scum, we can review it for links.
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I think that might be ok.
But now that we know how empowerment works. It doesn't make any sense for them to have used theirs where they have. IE me.
IDK maybe scum missed that rule as well.
Just something to think about.
vote wildfire
i assume im confirmed town now since me and DV planned his doc targets together
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I couldn't doc myself.
Who else is town that we should have doced?
Also everyone I doced is protected during the day as well.
So that's some interesting things.
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
This dies somehow.
Kill it with fire.
Answer: because he is Scum and felt he had to stick to his guns to make them seem authentic.
He has pretty much disappeared since the pressure was taken off of him except to pop up every now and then TO KILL A TOWNIE.
This kid needs to go. NOW.
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GJ's post is abysmal. Bussing FTW.
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If WF flips scum. Then I'd go with your plan.
If not.
IDK I might still go with your plan?
Up to you on that one otherwise go with me. Your choice. Seems like a good plan overall though.
I'm not really getting the stick to your guns part of your statement, but that's not really relevant to this discussion now.
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"Permanent Empower" is a passive, BTW.