I can't recall having ever seen a T/S list in that format, which is why I spoke up about it.
Re: #1016 - I was following up on an outstanding question to you that your post was related to but didn't address. I didn't engage the substance on it because I wanted to address your vote in the context of the tom/Anak interactions. I didn't care about the rest of your post.
Posting my list out of any sort of pre-designated order because #YOLOSWAG
TheIceMan - This guy's thoughts parallel mine in so many places through the game that the only way I'd believe he's scum is if I flipped scum.
Gentleman Johnny - A good portion of my thoughts on GJ can be seen in my catch-up posts. GJ is absolutely town.
Manders - I've been following along with Manders's thoughts as she posts, and based on my knowledge of how she thinks, I'm inclined to believe she's either town or gotten much better as scum.
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wildfire393 - OverNight, I contemplated the wildfire dilemma I was facing and I've ultimately decided he's on the "bad town" side of the fence. His cases are too ridiculous to come from scum, I think.
D_V - D_V's approach to the tom thing was an approach I haven't seen, before. He largely seems to be coming from a town standpoint, despite the few weird things I've seen.
Cyan - I liked Cyan's approach to Manders early on, and I like that he thinks Anak is scum. His voting patterns reflected a lot of my thoughts in the early game in my re-read.
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Seppel - Do something. Cut the Neutral BS. Play the game.
Cythare - I don't remember anything you've done.
Tordeck - I don't remember anything you've done.
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shadowlancerx - I remember disliking your early play but I don't remember anything you've done aside from that.
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Axelrod - I felt Axelrod's early play was extremely weird and lacking. So many of his posts and comments felt out of place and like he wasn't grasping the fundamental basis of what was actually happening in the game. Given Axelrod's experience and the fact that I've seen him play very strongly as town, before, this is not what I expect of townAxelrod.
tomsloger - tom is a walking contradiction. He can't keep his story straight. He's "doing things" but hasn't done anything, he "doesn't have any solid reads" but claims he's observing the game from the outside. He wanted people to make their own waves instead of creating his own. He's active lurked the whole game and feels like he has an agenda behind his actions. I'd love to know what they are, if they aren't scum-motivated.
Anaklusmos - Kill it with fire.
I see absolutely no reason not to believe the bottom four players on my list can't be scum together, especially looking at the Bur wagon.
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So, I am not paying any attention to this game right now and I'm sorry about that. I have a lot of stuff I'm doing in the lead up to Christmas both at work and with family. I'll be out of town for the holidays, which means trying to leave my work in some semblance of order before I go, and I also have approximately 11ty million people to buy gifts for.
Things will improve, but not in the immediate future. I'm trying to keep checking in to see if anything dramatic is happening, but that's about all.
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Here's where we're at for T/S lists. Bolded have posted in thread already.
Gentleman Johnny
Seppel
Wildfire393
Manders
D_V
Anaklusmos Cythare
Tordeck
Axelrod Iso
Cyan
shadowlancerx
TheIceMan
tomsloger
SCrew the list, put your reads shadow. Game already feels pretty stagnant so far. I think everyone should be doing it anyway, as trying to get 14 people to do this is rough. Hell, trying to claim tracker results with 7 people was a pain.
Shadow
DV
Axel
GJ
Cythare
Iceman
Iso
Manders
Tom
Anak
Tordeck
Cyan
Wildfire
Neutral
Seppel
When I made this list I totally forgot Wildfire said he was going to suicide, so that should be fun.
I dislike that most of my strong scum reads are also some of the lowest posters, but I feel like the higher posters have been pretty townie. I would not be at all surprised if there is a deep wolf in my greens, and another wolf in my yellows. Anything higher would surprise me at this point.
Anak's post about wagon analysis felt like him actually doing something for the first time this game, and while I initially had him lower down, I'm moving him to yellow for the time being.
I really want to look at Iso's most recent post, but that'll have to wait until later.
As for the town/scum list, I don't have any real interest in posting one. I just invested a big chunk of time into developing my scum reads yesterday, they're there for all to see, and I'd much rather people engage with that content.
Here's where we're at for T/S lists. Bolded have posted in thread already.
Gentleman Johnny
Seppel
Wildfire393
Manders
D_V
Anaklusmos Cythare
Tordeck
Axelrod Iso
Cyan
shadowlancerx
TheIceMan
tomsloger
SCrew the list, put your reads shadow. Game already feels pretty stagnant so far. I think everyone should be doing it anyway, as trying to get 14 people to do this is rough. Hell, trying to claim tracker results with 7 people was a pain.
Hear hear.
@ Axelrod: I'm sure everyone's going to be having similar issues pretty shortly, and I'm sure Azrael is going to be understanding about it. No worries. Do the best you can. Next time you post, include a T/S list, please.
And unless it is a requirement to do so I wont be empowering anyone toDay. I have a handful of scum reads but no one is town enough for me to willing to support them at this stage.
@Manders This is just a game, it's nothing personal at all. I understand you went through and are going through a really tough time, I would never scum read you for that, and my sincerest condolences for you and your family. It's for your mentality to start the day outside of that, and while it may be an obvious thing to want to go back and re-evaluate after that, you didn't appear to have any desire to do so.
@Gj You don't see how a scum could hammer Bur there with him being pretty consensus and the game stagnating the way it was?
@Gj You don't see how a scum could hammer Bur there with him being pretty consensus and the game stagnating the way it was?
If Anak ever does get lynched/vigged/really any way people want to kill him is great, and flips scum, I think that this statement hugely points to MH also being scum. It just comes across like he knows that the person that hammered Bur was scum.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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It's for your mentality to start the day outside of that, and while it may be an obvious thing to want to go back and re-evaluate after that, you didn't appear to have any desire to do so.
I was hoping to re-read yesterday, but my Granddad died on Friday, so I had to go visit my mom in prison to tell her. My day was spent with my nephews after that.
Regardless, I feel comfortable putting my vote here:
@Gj You don't see how a scum could hammer Bur there with him being pretty consensus and the game stagnating the way it was?
If Anak ever does get lynched/vigged/really any way people want to kill him is great, and flips scum, I think that this statement hugely points to MH also being scum. It just comes across like he knows that the person that hammered Bur was scum.
@Manders It was your lack of desire to examine or even mention someone you were so certain to be scum that flipped town. Saying its obvious why doesn't detract from my point, and doesn't show why YOU would think you need to re-read.
@Cyan Doesn't that also hold true if I really believe Manders to be scum, and I'm town? As you say "If" I'm scum, what would that mean for Mander's alignment when I flip town?
if cyan is scum, anak probably town and manders scum
that reads like distancing with a built in backoff after the anak mislynch
that said i have no read on cyan and a townlean on manders
No, that is 100% me being frustrated with him doing ****all in this game.
actually you had nothing to do with this read.
frustration with cyan's uselessness is NAI
im saying cyan is distancing from you and will conveniently change his mind once yall mislynch anak.
AKA if cyan is scum, hes telegraphing fake progression.
Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
Anyone who we're waiting on to post T/S lists please just do it, forget this waiting on D_V's ordering business - not even sure why we're bothering with that in the first place - so we can get on with the game.
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Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
ok
So from your perspective, anak is scum and when he flips cyan will then come after you because of that supposed slip
Will he still be town then?
Re: #1016 - I was following up on an outstanding question to you that your post was related to but didn't address. I didn't engage the substance on it because I wanted to address your vote in the context of the tom/Anak interactions. I didn't care about the rest of your post.
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Anak - Manders, Iso, Cyan
Wildfire - GJ, Cythare
Tom- DV
Tordeck - WF
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DV - Manders, Manders
TheIceMan - This guy's thoughts parallel mine in so many places through the game that the only way I'd believe he's scum is if I flipped scum.
Gentleman Johnny - A good portion of my thoughts on GJ can be seen in my catch-up posts. GJ is absolutely town.
Manders - I've been following along with Manders's thoughts as she posts, and based on my knowledge of how she thinks, I'm inclined to believe she's either town or gotten much better as scum.
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wildfire393 - OverNight, I contemplated the wildfire dilemma I was facing and I've ultimately decided he's on the "bad town" side of the fence. His cases are too ridiculous to come from scum, I think.
D_V - D_V's approach to the tom thing was an approach I haven't seen, before. He largely seems to be coming from a town standpoint, despite the few weird things I've seen.
Cyan - I liked Cyan's approach to Manders early on, and I like that he thinks Anak is scum. His voting patterns reflected a lot of my thoughts in the early game in my re-read.
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Seppel - Do something. Cut the Neutral BS. Play the game.
Cythare - I don't remember anything you've done.
Tordeck - I don't remember anything you've done.
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shadowlancerx - I remember disliking your early play but I don't remember anything you've done aside from that.
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Axelrod - I felt Axelrod's early play was extremely weird and lacking. So many of his posts and comments felt out of place and like he wasn't grasping the fundamental basis of what was actually happening in the game. Given Axelrod's experience and the fact that I've seen him play very strongly as town, before, this is not what I expect of townAxelrod.
tomsloger - tom is a walking contradiction. He can't keep his story straight. He's "doing things" but hasn't done anything, he "doesn't have any solid reads" but claims he's observing the game from the outside. He wanted people to make their own waves instead of creating his own. He's active lurked the whole game and feels like he has an agenda behind his actions. I'd love to know what they are, if they aren't scum-motivated.
Anaklusmos - Kill it with fire.
I see absolutely no reason not to believe the bottom four players on my list can't be scum together, especially looking at the Bur wagon.
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Things will improve, but not in the immediate future. I'm trying to keep checking in to see if anything dramatic is happening, but that's about all.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Gentleman Johnny
Seppel
Wildfire393
Manders
D_V
Anaklusmos
Cythare
Tordeck
Axelrod
Iso
Cyan
shadowlancerx
TheIceMan
tomsloger
SCrew the list, put your reads shadow. Game already feels pretty stagnant so far. I think everyone should be doing it anyway, as trying to get 14 people to do this is rough. Hell, trying to claim tracker results with 7 people was a pain.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Shadow
DV
Axel
GJ
Cythare
Iceman
Iso
Manders
Tom
Anak
Tordeck
Cyan
Wildfire
Neutral
Seppel
When I made this list I totally forgot Wildfire said he was going to suicide, so that should be fun.
I dislike that most of my strong scum reads are also some of the lowest posters, but I feel like the higher posters have been pretty townie. I would not be at all surprised if there is a deep wolf in my greens, and another wolf in my yellows. Anything higher would surprise me at this point.
Anak's post about wagon analysis felt like him actually doing something for the first time this game, and while I initially had him lower down, I'm moving him to yellow for the time being.
As for the town/scum list, I don't have any real interest in posting one. I just invested a big chunk of time into developing my scum reads yesterday, they're there for all to see, and I'd much rather people engage with that content.
@ Axelrod: I'm sure everyone's going to be having similar issues pretty shortly, and I'm sure Azrael is going to be understanding about it. No worries. Do the best you can. Next time you post, include a T/S list, please.
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@Gj You don't see how a scum could hammer Bur there with him being pretty consensus and the game stagnating the way it was?
If Anak ever does get lynched/vigged/really any way people want to kill him is great, and flips scum, I think that this statement hugely points to MH also being scum. It just comes across like he knows that the person that hammered Bur was scum.
That's enough for now. Don't want you guys to lynch ALL the scum of course.
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Then ******* do it or shut up about it. DO SOMETHING.
How about both of you give T/S lists since we're waiting for so many to do so. Just ******* do SOMETHING ALREADY.
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I do agree that this just feels like wheel spinning while we wait for so many people to deliver their lists.
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@Manders It was your lack of desire to examine or even mention someone you were so certain to be scum that flipped town. Saying its obvious why doesn't detract from my point, and doesn't show why YOU would think you need to re-read.
@Cyan Doesn't that also hold true if I really believe Manders to be scum, and I'm town? As you say "If" I'm scum, what would that mean for Mander's alignment when I flip town?
There was NO POINT in mentioning Bur. In fact, it's often seen as a Scum move to lament over mistakes made the day before.
If YOU want to think that makes me Scum, sure, go ahead...but it doesn't.
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i get not seeing he is scum yet, but no way he should be top tier town
I'd agree with you based just on his posts, but I've got a town read on him for reasons.
Also I'm fully committed to Anak being scum. More people just need to vote him.
@Anak: It could have come from a town you, but I don't think so.
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that reads like distancing with a built in backoff after the anak mislynch
that said i have no read on cyan and a townlean on manders
i hear keeping secrets is antitown
It should be pretty apparent by now...
Whatever, GJ and I are neighbor chatting.
you dont get me at all
Alright, I'll bite, are you getting at something specific?
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frustration with cyan's uselessness is NAI
im saying cyan is distancing from you and will conveniently change his mind once yall mislynch anak.
AKA if cyan is scum, hes telegraphing fake progression.
mine is a very holistic approach
Well whether you believe this or not, I have never been Scum with Cyan and this game is not the first time.
I still maintain it is much more likely he's Town simply because he did not jump at a chance to bulldog me when I was the hot wagon. This is something ScumCyan would and has done MANY times.
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So from your perspective, anak is scum and when he flips cyan will then come after you because of that supposed slip
Will he still be town then?