Silver I believe is town due to his very genuine, gamesolve-y posts, coupled with GJ's trust. This post, from Lil4LeafClover, makes me feel like she knew Silver was town:
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#92 town vibes from Silver, could be a bit of my bias that my view on the claim seems to coincide with his. Though when I see a player who criticizes the claim/intent is telling me they are game solving, and that gives + to town credit
There is three scum in Huntzilla/D_V/Vaimes/Mindreaver/Jackrito/scarbo.
If Silver is to be believed, then I will trust him and not lynch Mindreaver. I am very wary of these role-based clearings, however. zomgarcwind is already an IC, and we have a cop ability and several players needing their trust. I believe that there is a way for the scum to circumvent these role-based clearings. Remember. Behavior is king.
With the IC revealing, I no longer believe Huntzilla to be town. We ran into this same problem in um. Vanillaville, where there was a werewolf doubler voter and an IC. I think it's likely that he is a double voter who gets the extra vote turned off in lylo.
I believe that one of Vaimes or DV to be scum, based off of that vote count. I do not believe that a five-man town wagon was also on NewName, since there have to be some buddies that did not want to get tied down to the Cythare mislynch.
I am thinking it is somewhere between Huntzilla/Vaimes/D_V? I really can't solve the game without Jackrito posting about utilizing his ability, and scarbo has just been a huge question mark this game.
Vote Vaimes, though. I have a slight feeling he is trying to power wolf his way through the game, and I've been very paranoid about his scum game now that Three Little Pigs ended.
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Proph why did you target scarbo again?
To advance my wincon.
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FTR, Proph would have been an infinitely better vig target. He's a claimed Neutral and he's not really invested in the game (or at least I haven't seen much of him recently, hi Proph).
Yeah, I'm really not invested in the game. I definitely would have been a great vig target.
There were actually a bunch of doublevoting scum in a row on this site over last couple years. Final Fantasy 2 comes to mind as well.
I was a Doublevoter/Doc in Animal Mafia too. Town there as well, but wanted to mention my experience with the role.
Hunt can you answer the question of how bad are you or are you not reading?
How do you think that I'm scum, "But not sure" on Vaimes?
4 real?
Hey pot, can you answer my question to you, and stop telling the kettle how black it is?
I want to lynch everyone but Silver, zomg and myself at this point again.
I don't trust any of you.
I'm super distrustful of our neutrals. I'm super distrustful of Silver's clear on you but I'm guess I'll take that on faith.
I think hunt is scum after all of this BS specifically with his logic on DV can be scum and Vaimes IDK. When Vaimes cleared me.
Jack has literally perma lurked and Silver wanted to clear him too which makes me not trust the judgement of the only other town player out there.
Vaimes reads town to me but now I'm doubting myself after what silver has said. Once again this is compounded by the fact that I'm not sure I trust his judgement for a variety of reasons also including those stupid stupid stupid scum lists he made.
scarbo IDK it was gut. Like I've said I started to doubt this read a long while back. Well maybe not long, but I know I said that after silver and I got into it that the clear was too generous.
Like I've said I just really don't feel like anyone is reading the game. You've got hunt clearing one person and voting for someone they have said is town.
What this play does do is make it clear to me that hunt and Vaimes probs are not on the same team.
Except for the fact that lynching me might make vaimes be "Auto town" after my lynch. I know that if we lynch town we lose the game. Today so I know that lynching me loses the town the game.
I need to do some more thinking again. I'm disappointed that we have a replacement at all on the day that it comes down to needing to lynch scum to win, but what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's a lot of words. But can you expound SPECIFICALLY why you're voting Jack? And why you're voting Jack over Scarbo right now? What has happened since yesterday?
I'm not typing this ***** again. Please just answer this specifically without all the "woe is us we have to lynch scum" drama. Yeah, you don't trust us, fine. Show me why you weren't just bussing yesterday and that your read today is legit.
Since yesterday I started looking at Jack too and if there is one person I feel absolutely certain is scum its jack. I said that before. IDK how you've missed that.
Since yesterday I started looking at Jack too and if there is one person I feel absolutely certain is scum its jack. I said that before. IDK how you've missed that.
Since yesterday I started looking at Jack too and if there is one person I feel absolutely certain is scum its jack. I said that before. IDK how you've missed that.
you still aren't answering WHY
BECAUSE JACK IS MORE SCUMMY.
I've already established that part read the god damn game.
I'm not clearing Jack. But I'm not policy lynching in lylo, either.
That's dumb. Especially now that we have a replacement.
He has two buddies if he is scum (probably).
Find them first and lynch him last if you think it has to be him.
Are you going to share this? I mean maybe we missed it. But why so vehement today? Why didn't you present this case YESTERDAY!! You have exactly the same behavior then as right now?
Here is where it is D_V: Vaimes and Scarbo are dirty. If you're not one of them, you're doing their work for them. Convince me, on behavior that Jack is scummier than Scarbo. I haven't heard anything except that you liked Scabo's claim better. But you never expanded on that.
How isn't it? Literally the only thing anyone has said is that he's been lurking and he could be lying about his claim.
Like. I just read his iso. It's not stellar, but it's not screaming scum at me either.
If it's not a policy lynch, make a case.
Are you going to share this? I mean maybe we missed it. But why so vehement today? Why didn't you present this case YESTERDAY!! You have exactly the same behavior then as right now?
Here is where it is D_V: Vaimes and Scarbo are dirty. If you're not one of them, you're doing their work for them. Convince me, on behavior that Jack is scummier than Scarbo. I haven't heard anything except that you liked Scabo's claim better. But you never expanded on that.
I hadn't looked at it yet?
We literally lynched like a week earlier than we needed to in real time on our last lynch. I actually had wanted to use that day strategically and we just rushed through it in the end.
There isn't even a really *****ty case D_V.
It's a policy lynch.
Literally anyone could be lying about their role in some capacity, besides you and Mindreaver.
Which basically means you just want to lynch him for lurking.
That's a policy lynch.
I'm content to wait for Seppel to post a catch-up or whatever.
I just don't understand why you'd want to lynch Jack with Scarbo and Vaimes when you agree they could be scum.
Or why you'd argue that it's not a policy lynch when it clearly is.
There isn't even a really *****ty case D_V.
It's a policy lynch.
Literally anyone could be lying about their role in some capacity, besides you and Mindreaver.
Which basically means you just want to lynch him for lurking.
That's a policy lynch.
I'm content to wait for Seppel to post a catch-up or whatever.
I just don't understand why you'd want to lynch Jack with Scarbo and Vaimes when you agree they could be scum.
Or why you'd argue that it's not a policy lynch when it clearly is.
Policy lynch = Lynch this guy cause lurker.
My reason for lynch = this guy is scummy behavior. How is that policy?
Also people have to justify a scum team with a Roleblocker a busdriver and me a duelist. Cause that's hunts scum team.
That is categorically untrue. I think I have the game solved, but I'm going to wait until Seppel posts before I share anything.
I've already talked about this, and I think it is categorically true. #1715. But I'm not interested in arguing the point with you. Looking forward to your post once Seppel gets here.
What makes Scarbo a better lynch than Jack who you have said is town?
Scarbo has the Busdriver thing as well. Which doesn't make sense I've I pointed out when combined with a roleblock on the scum team.
But you're ignoring that 100%
First of all, I never said Jack is town, I said at most that I didn't think it was him because I don't think he's lying about his claim and I'm not policy lynching in lylo before we catch the other scum. I even included him in those teams I made based on votes that you hated so much.
As for what makes Scarbo a better lynch, he made Proph vanillaize GJ. His progression on NewName is odd. There's his whole Ghosting push that you and Vaimes are passing off as "too scummy to be scum." On top of him pushing town + Ghosting all game like I said in the post I linked him. There's probably more but I haven't put the work in yet - that's enough for a vote over basically anyone else alive right now with the possible exception of Vaimes whom I've also talked about some.
What has Jack done even remotely as scummy as any of that?
Why exactly would that be so overpowered? Because they could redirect and roleblock? GJ's latent trigger would seem to indicate a check to that. Not to mention the amount of power that has died and flipped town
It's deeply ironic that you hold my reads against me when if you check LITERALLY EVERY VOTE COUNT, mindreaver was found to be voting someone who ended up flipping town, and now you're clearing him.
But like I said, I'm almost certain I have the scum team narrowed down. As soon as Seppel checks in I'll share my thoughts.
Hunt can you answer the question of how bad are you or are you not reading?
How do you think that I'm scum, "But not sure" on Vaimes?
4 real?
Hey pot, can you answer my question to you, and stop telling the kettle how black it is?
I want to lynch everyone but Silver, zomg and myself at this point again.
I don't trust any of you.
I'm super distrustful of our neutrals. I'm super distrustful of Silver's clear on you but I'm guess I'll take that on faith.
I think hunt is scum after all of this BS specifically with his logic on DV can be scum and Vaimes IDK. When Vaimes cleared me.
Jack has literally perma lurked and Silver wanted to clear him too which makes me not trust the judgement of the only other town player out there.
Vaimes reads town to me but now I'm doubting myself after what silver has said. Once again this is compounded by the fact that I'm not sure I trust his judgement for a variety of reasons also including those stupid stupid stupid scum lists he made.
scarbo IDK it was gut. Like I've said I started to doubt this read a long while back. Well maybe not long, but I know I said that after silver and I got into it that the clear was too generous.
Like I've said I just really don't feel like anyone is reading the game. You've got hunt clearing one person and voting for someone they have said is town.
What this play does do is make it clear to me that hunt and Vaimes probs are not on the same team.
Except for the fact that lynching me might make vaimes be "Auto town" after my lynch. I know that if we lynch town we lose the game. Today so I know that lynching me loses the town the game.
I need to do some more thinking again. I'm disappointed that we have a replacement at all on the day that it comes down to needing to lynch scum to win, but what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Who's not reading the game now? If you honestly feel like this is what I am saying, go back and read my last few posts again. All I am saying is that I am MORE sure of your scumminess than anyone else's. But clearing Vaimes? He is NEXT on my list... RIGHT AFTER YOU.
You wanna talk about Jack's behavior as being scummy.... but you aren't saying what it is. You aren't giving a why to anyone's questions. You just keep saying "He's Scum." We say why... your answer is "because he's scum." That's not a case. That barely counts as an opinion. You finally said "it's because of his voting/pushes" which is a cop out.
Conversely, when I am calling YOU scum:
It's because you are jumping around with your attacks today.
You are calling Jack scum now "for pushing _____" ... let's go with Zomg, WHO YOU WERE PUSHING TODAY BEFORE THE FLIP.
You are trying to sell some of the wildest theories, the ones I am mainly concerned with are me as a scum doublevoter, and the scum not being able to have a RB and a Bus Driver. That isn't solid logic. If the scum team could have a freaking doublevoter they could have a ******* Bus Driver.
You keep calling OTHERS besides Jack scummy with some actual reasons, and then go right back to "jack's the scummiest" without giving us solid reasons!
Ad Hominem attacks on just about everyone, but mostly me and Mind. Two people who are not buying your bull***** the most.
Everyone...
Please see the flailing scum for what they really are. Scum!DV going down and not liking that they are finished.
How do you feel about Seppel (Jack's) claim? Does that change your mind at all? Any problems with it?
You are trying to sell some of the wildest theories, the ones I am mainly concerned with are me as a scum doublevoter, and the scum not being able to have a RB and a Bus Driver. That isn't solid logic. If the scum team could have a freaking doublevoter they could have a ******* Bus Driver.
Design a scum team with both a Busdriver and a Roleblocker that is fair I dare you.
I'll wait.
Now I can design a scum team with 3 players and 2 neutrals in the game and is fair.
Who's not reading the game now? If you honestly feel like this is what I am saying, go back and read my last few posts again. All I am saying is that I am MORE sure of your scumminess than anyone else's. But clearing Vaimes? He is NEXT on my list... RIGHT AFTER YOU.
VAIMES HAS TO BE MORE SCUMMY. He literally cleared me. I was also cleared by GJ. Your logic is mindboggling.
I'm convinced you are scum at this point because of how terrible you are playing this game.
It's because you are jumping around with your attacks today.
You are calling Jack scum now "for pushing _____" ... let's go with Zomg, WHO YOU WERE PUSHING TODAY BEFORE THE FLIP.
This stuff is so bad.
I'm so mad right now.
I am jumping around I've said that I'm not certain who the scum team is. But because I don't trust a lot of people I'm sending a lot out to see what others actually think.
If I was scum I would have come into the day with a list of Scarbo Vaimes and kept it at that and gone along with everyone. Like give me some credit man I know how to play this game and how to lurk.
I am calling Jack scum FOR NEVER VOTING ANYONE WE CURRENTLY SUSPECT. He literally voted and pressured 3 players all of whom were low hanging fruit.
@hunt: I see no reason to entertain the requests of confirmed scum.
@silver: I have no preference whatsoever as to which order we lynch {Seppel, hunt, vaimes}
Hunt admitted to being scum by voting DV while maintaining a town read on Vaimes. Vaimes cleared DV. I've already given sufficient reason as to why scum!Vaimes wouldn't clear scum!DV, so DV is town. (furthermore, DV is town behaviorally already)
AND! Vaimes provided us with confirmation that he knows hunt is scum when he said hunt can //still// double vote. Therefore Vaimes knows there's a caveat to hunt's double vote, and so the entire reason to write hunt off as town dissolves because now, thanks to Vaimes, we know he's not a bona fide double voter.
We can test this of course, and hold off on lynching hunt, but I suspect very soon he'll lose his ability to double vote, and since he didn't claim any limitations, we can only assume he's scum.
BTW DV/Scarbo. YOu guys should have done math before trying to bus vaimes and get hunt lynched.
If you team was Vaimes/Hunt/Seppel, they would have hammered scarbo right now. In fact, if Hunt was scum with anyone but me/silver/ghosting they would have hammered scarbo by now.
BTW DV/Scarbo. YOu guys should have done math before trying to bus vaimes and get hunt lynched.
If you team was Vaimes/Hunt/Seppel, they would have hammered scarbo right now. In fact, if Hunt was scum with anyone but me/silver/ghosting they would have hammered scarbo by now.
I've made it clear that I think the scum team is two players with an outside chance of three.
Vaimes being the outside chance of the third.
Furthermore Vaimes hasn't posted for two days and Seppel doesn't have a grasp of the game 100% yet.
Sorry DV, I'm evidently not as brilliant at you are. But does that answer my question?
Oh and yes?
How is a medium a doc?
Pro tip its not.
Seppel claimed Doc right? So is he a doc? Or is he a 1-shot medium? Somebody is lying there. I want to know, if he's a doc, and jack made that medium thing up, who has he been doc'ing? Clearly *****ty target.
Oh, and on the math. It's just simple dude. Scarbo says "I've solved the game!". If he has, you have to admit, they are the worst scumteam ever. They could win right this second.
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*reads replacement name 30 times to be sure
*cries in fetal position
What mind said.
But also, it's not bad. Just.... different
There were actually a bunch of doublevoting scum in a row on this site over last couple years. Final Fantasy 2 comes to mind as well.
I was a Doublevoter/Doc in Animal Mafia too. Town there as well, but wanted to mention my experience with the role.
I want to lynch everyone but Silver, zomg and myself at this point again.
I don't trust any of you.
I'm super distrustful of our neutrals. I'm super distrustful of Silver's clear on you but I'm guess I'll take that on faith.
I think hunt is scum after all of this BS specifically with his logic on DV can be scum and Vaimes IDK. When Vaimes cleared me.
Jack has literally perma lurked and Silver wanted to clear him too which makes me not trust the judgement of the only other town player out there.
Vaimes reads town to me but now I'm doubting myself after what silver has said. Once again this is compounded by the fact that I'm not sure I trust his judgement for a variety of reasons also including those stupid stupid stupid scum lists he made.
scarbo IDK it was gut. Like I've said I started to doubt this read a long while back. Well maybe not long, but I know I said that after silver and I got into it that the clear was too generous.
Like I've said I just really don't feel like anyone is reading the game. You've got hunt clearing one person and voting for someone they have said is town.
What this play does do is make it clear to me that hunt and Vaimes probs are not on the same team.
Except for the fact that lynching me might make vaimes be "Auto town" after my lynch. I know that if we lynch town we lose the game. Today so I know that lynching me loses the town the game.
I need to do some more thinking again. I'm disappointed that we have a replacement at all on the day that it comes down to needing to lynch scum to win, but what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh and Requesting like at least a week extension if not more.
I'm not typing this ***** again. Please just answer this specifically without all the "woe is us we have to lynch scum" drama. Yeah, you don't trust us, fine. Show me why you weren't just bussing yesterday and that your read today is legit.
I've been waiting for Jack to respond.
Since yesterday I started looking at Jack too and if there is one person I feel absolutely certain is scum its jack. I said that before. IDK how you've missed that.
BECAUSE JACK IS MORE SCUMMY.
I've already established that part read the god damn game.
That's dumb. Especially now that we have a replacement.
He has two buddies if he is scum (probably).
Find them first and lynch him last if you think it has to be him.
Its not a policy lynch.
Here is where it is D_V: Vaimes and Scarbo are dirty. If you're not one of them, you're doing their work for them. Convince me, on behavior that Jack is scummier than Scarbo. I haven't heard anything except that you liked Scabo's claim better. But you never expanded on that.
Like. I just read his iso. It's not stellar, but it's not screaming scum at me either.
If it's not a policy lynch, make a case.
I hadn't looked at it yet?
We literally lynched like a week earlier than we needed to in real time on our last lynch. I actually had wanted to use that day strategically and we just rushed through it in the end.
Why are you so adamant before his replacements even talks?
Like why?
If your point is that I haven't made a case for him being scum well.
My counter is you haven't remotely made a case for him being town.
Even a really *****ty case out weighs a null case.
I don't.
I'm actually pretty pissed its seppel whos coming into the game because if anyone could fake a conversation with someone it would be him.
Like look at the claims what claims don't make sense?
Ugh.
I think you guys may be right though on Vaimes I really need to reread him I just haven't yet.
It's a policy lynch.
Literally anyone could be lying about their role in some capacity, besides you and Mindreaver.
Which basically means you just want to lynch him for lurking.
That's a policy lynch.
I'm content to wait for Seppel to post a catch-up or whatever.
I just don't understand why you'd want to lynch Jack with Scarbo and Vaimes when you agree they could be scum.
Or why you'd argue that it's not a policy lynch when it clearly is.
Policy lynch = Lynch this guy cause lurker.
My reason for lynch = this guy is scummy behavior. How is that policy?
Also people have to justify a scum team with a Roleblocker a busdriver and me a duelist. Cause that's hunts scum team.
I'll wait guys.
Neither you or anyone else has made a case that doesn't consist of "he's not contributing and/or he could be lying about his role."
Like, the most you've said is "if you look at the behavior of Jack its scummy as *****."
And I specifically said I iso'd him and didn't see it.
So keep ignoring requests for a case, I guess.
But you're not convincing anyone by merely insisting that he's scummy.
Shadow- town
Zomg - town
Then he
Jumped to the Kosa wagon cause it was a wagon on guess what?
A town member.
And he joined the Innan wagon.
That's it.
Zero scum hunting?
CHECK.
But don't worry guys I isoed him he seems town.
What makes him a better lynch than Scarbo, Huntz, or Vaimes?
What makes Scarbo a better lynch than Jack who you have said is town?
Scarbo has the Busdriver thing as well. Which doesn't make sense I've I pointed out when combined with a roleblock on the scum team.
But you're ignoring that 100%
As for what makes Scarbo a better lynch, he made Proph vanillaize GJ. His progression on NewName is odd. There's his whole Ghosting push that you and Vaimes are passing off as "too scummy to be scum." On top of him pushing town + Ghosting all game like I said in the post I linked him. There's probably more but I haven't put the work in yet - that's enough for a vote over basically anyone else alive right now with the possible exception of Vaimes whom I've also talked about some.
What has Jack done even remotely as scummy as any of that?
But like I said, I'm almost certain I have the scum team narrowed down. As soon as Seppel checks in I'll share my thoughts.
Unvote
"Proph is neutral and probably not leaving the game anytime soon"
Great another neutral Proph
P. S. I'm town and I'm the doc unless someone ccs me, then we'll talk.
Plan: Find the scum for you guys, then get NK'd
Vote: Seppel
hunt and Vaimes are the other two scum btw
Who's not reading the game now? If you honestly feel like this is what I am saying, go back and read my last few posts again. All I am saying is that I am MORE sure of your scumminess than anyone else's. But clearing Vaimes? He is NEXT on my list... RIGHT AFTER YOU.
You wanna talk about Jack's behavior as being scummy.... but you aren't saying what it is. You aren't giving a why to anyone's questions. You just keep saying "He's Scum." We say why... your answer is "because he's scum." That's not a case. That barely counts as an opinion. You finally said "it's because of his voting/pushes" which is a cop out.
Conversely, when I am calling YOU scum:
It's because you are jumping around with your attacks today.
You are calling Jack scum now "for pushing _____" ... let's go with Zomg, WHO YOU WERE PUSHING TODAY BEFORE THE FLIP.
You are trying to sell some of the wildest theories, the ones I am mainly concerned with are me as a scum doublevoter, and the scum not being able to have a RB and a Bus Driver. That isn't solid logic. If the scum team could have a freaking doublevoter they could have a ******* Bus Driver.
You keep calling OTHERS besides Jack scummy with some actual reasons, and then go right back to "jack's the scummiest" without giving us solid reasons!
Ad Hominem attacks on just about everyone, but mostly me and Mind. Two people who are not buying your bull***** the most.
Everyone...
Please see the flailing scum for what they really are. Scum!DV going down and not liking that they are finished.
How do you feel about Seppel (Jack's) claim? Does that change your mind at all? Any problems with it?
Cute. I answered your question, which you never responded to. Would you mind answering the questions I put towards you?
Design a scum team with both a Busdriver and a Roleblocker that is fair I dare you.
I'll wait.
Now I can design a scum team with 3 players and 2 neutrals in the game and is fair.
VAIMES HAS TO BE MORE SCUMMY. He literally cleared me. I was also cleared by GJ. Your logic is mindboggling.
I'm convinced you are scum at this point because of how terrible you are playing this game.
This stuff is so bad.
I'm so mad right now.
I am jumping around I've said that I'm not certain who the scum team is. But because I don't trust a lot of people I'm sending a lot out to see what others actually think.
If I was scum I would have come into the day with a list of Scarbo Vaimes and kept it at that and gone along with everyone. Like give me some credit man I know how to play this game and how to lurk.
I am calling Jack scum FOR NEVER VOTING ANYONE WE CURRENTLY SUSPECT. He literally voted and pressured 3 players all of whom were low hanging fruit.
Are you for real right now?
4 real? Me DV is scum because I'm suggesting "Wild theories".
@silver: I have no preference whatsoever as to which order we lynch {Seppel, hunt, vaimes}
Hunt admitted to being scum by voting DV while maintaining a town read on Vaimes. Vaimes cleared DV. I've already given sufficient reason as to why scum!Vaimes wouldn't clear scum!DV, so DV is town. (furthermore, DV is town behaviorally already)
AND! Vaimes provided us with confirmation that he knows hunt is scum when he said hunt can //still// double vote. Therefore Vaimes knows there's a caveat to hunt's double vote, and so the entire reason to write hunt off as town dissolves because now, thanks to Vaimes, we know he's not a bona fide double voter.
We can test this of course, and hold off on lynching hunt, but I suspect very soon he'll lose his ability to double vote, and since he didn't claim any limitations, we can only assume he's scum.
you're welcome
100% back to town on this guy since I too have come to the same conclusions.
But I think its
Hunt Seppel Vaimes?
I'm still not 100% on vaimes. But if there is a third scum member it most certainly is vaimes.
If you team was Vaimes/Hunt/Seppel, they would have hammered scarbo right now. In fact, if Hunt was scum with anyone but me/silver/ghosting they would have hammered scarbo by now.
I've made it clear that I think the scum team is two players with an outside chance of three.
Vaimes being the outside chance of the third.
Furthermore Vaimes hasn't posted for two days and Seppel doesn't have a grasp of the game 100% yet.
So no?
Oh and yes?
How is a medium a doc?
Pro tip its not.