Shockwaves ISO is a lot more disappointing than I thought. He is using a lot of slank cover for the lack of motivation.
Quote from Shockwave »
Naturally I don't want to be lynched.
Cythare or I need a new name... And I swear there's something familiar about the latter, but not under that name. Could be me reading too much into it as well.
Given a choice, still feel better about Inann than Cythare.
Vote: Cythare
I really don't like this. It feels sleazy enough that he is going to jump on town, but leaving room to move onto NewName if something comes up. I could actually see this as a S/S interaction, but I will cross that bridge when I get there.
The rest of his posts EoD are doing almost nothing.
We're all trying to survive to the point we can make a difference.
I intend to survive.
The name Inann replaced in as made me even wonder if this person was familiar even more.
In respect to the mods, I won't repeat it.
See you next game Cythare.
Ineedanewname: Gathered that much. But this isn't the only site I've played mafia on
:/.
His start today has done little to inspire.
I've seen all sorts of ways to handle this. Some mods handle roleblocking differently. Some game moderators always notify if redirecting happens, others don't unless you have a pr.
Same thing with redirects.
That said, evidence so far implies D_V forced Proph who to target (D_V). Unless we hear otherwise, then who knows what happened
Speculating on something that will be answered in short time.
Glad the game integrity is holding out.
One more game with a mod kill in as short of time would likely start to drive me batty.
That said, I do have to get to Ghosting's question... And note I placed the wrong player's name in a post above (D_V instead of Ghosting... Or did I really mean it the other way? Can't keep things straight.
Right now the only two votes on me are from a claimed Neutral and someone that came under heat yesterday.
Proph's vote, I truthfully have no trouble with. Being a claimed neutral doesn't mean you can't scum hunt. It carries it's own risks, but that's another matter. A skim over yesterday's posts, especially in the latter part of the Day feel like this is genuine hunting, not faked. Points on Scarbo, the talk of Huntzilla the double voter and the possibility of losing it weakening the chance of him being town, even looking at myself (as I've gone after people I've thought were scum for excessive mechanics talk like Ghosting in Mafia for 5). Nothing about this feels faked to me.
If one of the votes is to come into question, I'd say it was Kosa's. Low post count, defensive at my lack of confidence in him from yesterday, and pinging a lot of radars, he deserves a closer look.
That said, the only thing that makes me question this is how quick Scarbo was to jump on him for the vote. Felt oppertunistic, and need to see if the two are possibly comnected.
Here is some analysis. The first half of his post was him trying to dismiss Proph voting him "cuz nuetral." While I do agree with the core element that Proph doesn't want the town to win, he just doesn't want either side to lose until he completes his WC. He then falls on the conclusion that Proph is actual geniunely hunting, which does really nothing unless he thought Proph was scum yesterday. He then points to KK's vote as likely being the worse, but maybe Scarbo was too opportunistic. This looks like a decent post, but when you break it down, it feels really void of anything that is helpful to the town (unless of course, Proph was up for contention). Even the point towards KK looks weak, and since KK is likely sitting on a town lock (or gets dunked instantly), unless I felt an overwhelming desire to call his hand (Which I don't currently), it feels really weak.
Lean Scum on Shockwave.
Continuing my work once someone else posts. This 3 post per rule is absolutely bull*****.
**** it, I'll take the warning/infraction. Satan can suck a bag of dicks.
Town
GJ
Zomg
Huntzilla
KK*
Silver
DV
Jackarito
Scarbo
Null/Reread in Process
Shadow
Proph
Ghosting*
NewName
Vaimes
Scum
Shockwave
Mindreaver
Go ahead and punish me for being the only active. But I need this bookmark, and I have been a relatively good boy as far as warnings/infractions goes so I can take this one.
I will be replying in full to your question later on this afternoon, but I'm going to post here so that you don't have to stop talking just because no on else is yet.
I thought this was a joke at first because it's four players, one who is a neutral who doesn't care about lynching town or scum, one who is Scarbo, and two players people are feeling either pretty good or just average about. And now D_V, which you know how I feel about him.
And no, I don't expect even a newbie scum to go "I knew you didn't get targeted last night." But you are sure I wasn't targeted. Because for all you know, a kill was aimed at me.
Haven't even finsihed reading your post yet. But quote me saying this. Not you putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said "GJ didn't get targeted last night". I'll wait.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
So far GJ is the only one pushing you, and he's been doing this to people all game. Note that he can't just unilaterally lynch you, I wouldn't let it bother you that much. I'm pretty sure that everyone will come under his crosshairs at some point.
What do you make of his reaction? And as much as I dislike prodding one of the few people who posted good content on this page, what are you planing to do today? I see a list, parts I like parts I dislike, but I don't really see a drive coming from you.
I don't like his reaction, it feels over the top. I could see it as a play by scum, basically show how much he doesn't care if you lynch him or not, and how he might even prefer it, which subconsciously causes people to second guess actually doing so. Regardless, his reaction definitely drops him lower on my list, though I'm not yet sure by how much.
As far as drive, I'm in an observation stage; I'm really hoping most people submit a list, show they're actually thinking about the game and where they stand as far as reads.
Considering my opinions on INANN, I'm very curious as to what he comes up with for his analysis. While I think his post about comments on Tom is reasonable, the other side of that is that Tom really is bloody hard to read. Now for people to be glad of that is another thing, I think he's a strong player and losing a strong townie is never something to be glad about.
If there isn't a lot more participation with scum lists, I'd like to establish some groups of 2 or 3 that we believe scum to be in (similar to Ghosting's earlier post) and really dig into those, I don't want to come down to the wire like we did day one.
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This actually just occurred to me, Has anyone shown any support of Shockwave so far? The lack of people even suggesting he might be town is almost indicative of scum who would rather bus than defend their buddy.
Ghosting called his wagon a bit meh, but doesn't really count (as he's neutral).
I thought this was a joke at first because it's four players, one who is a neutral who doesn't care about lynching town or scum, one who is Scarbo, and two players people are feeling either pretty good or just average about. And now D_V, which you know how I feel about him.
I mean, I have my feelings on Scarbo/Silver known a long time ago. Proph is also acting townier than half the game. :shrugs:
And no, I don't expect even a newbie scum to go "I knew you didn't get targeted last night." But you are sure I wasn't targeted. Because for all you know, a kill was aimed at me.
Haven't even finsihed reading your post yet. But quote me saying this. Not you putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said "GJ didn't get targeted last night". I'll wait.
You didn't say that :x. My point was that even if this was your first game of mafia, no one actually claims scum. It was an inference I got from your word choice. You were implying about my ego that I didn't die last night because the mafia didn't target me. Yes or no?
I thought this was a joke at first because it's four players, one who is a neutral who doesn't care about lynching town or scum, one who is Scarbo, and two players people are feeling either pretty good or just average about. And now D_V, which you know how I feel about him.
Scarbo walk me through your thoughts here. What do you think his win con is that it worries you? Yesterday you didn't believe his claim, today even after his claim is verified, you still want him lynched. if he shared his wincon would you just completely shift focus? Is it really that difficult to trust the logical assumption of what it should be?
Scarbo walk me through your thoughts here. What do you think his win con is that it worries you? Yesterday you didn't believe his claim, today even after his claim is verified, you still want him lynched. if he shared his wincon would you just completely shift focus? Is it really that difficult to trust the logical assumption of what it should be?
I'll respond with the more pertinent question.
Why does a "neutral" seem to care so much what people think of him and about the "Legitimacy of wagons"?
Scarbo walk me through your thoughts here. What do you think his win con is that it worries you? Yesterday you didn't believe his claim, today even after his claim is verified, you still want him lynched. if he shared his wincon would you just completely shift focus? Is it really that difficult to trust the logical assumption of what it should be?
I'll respond with the more pertinent question.
Why does a "neutral" seem to care so much what people think of him and about the "Legitimacy of wagons"?
Why is this ok with you?
I imagine that said neutral really does care about catching actual scum, because that gives him more days in the game before LyLo, meaning a better chance at achieving his wincon.
Additionally, we know that neutral reads aren't coming from scum, so having their reads in the game acts almost like an anchor. I know that they are not immune to making mistakes or even manipulating their reads against people they haven't vanillified/unlocked, but that's not really relevant at the moment, nor do I expect it to be as we can get confirmation of who they target each day.
And no, I don't expect even a newbie scum to go "I knew you didn't get targeted last night." But you are sure I wasn't targeted. Because for all you know, a kill was aimed at me.
Haven't even finsihed reading your post yet. But quote me saying this. Not you putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said "GJ didn't get targeted last night". I'll wait.
You didn't say that :x. My point was that even if this was your first game of mafia, no one actually claims scum. It was an inference I got from your word choice. You were implying about my ego that I didn't die last night because the mafia didn't target me. Yes or no?
Fable does
Yes, implied. But your case is taking my implication and building on it so that I "KNEW the mafia hadn't targeted you" which doesn't actually follow. That's still just conclusion based on shaky ground, and you've just continued to build on it. Hence, house of cards.
Okay, Vaimes implied that Tom was hard to read in 1078, but did not do so in a way that implied she was glad that Tom was dead. (Vaimes, I've seen you referred to with the pronoun she, but I apologize if that is incorrect)
D_V: You got me, I shouldn't have pointed out that the wagon wasn't as pure as you claim. If only I had played better and just not play the game at all.
D_V: You got me, I shouldn't have pointed out that the wagon wasn't as pure as you claim. If only I had played better and just not play the game at all.
You did claim neutral survivor.
So you might as well not play because nobody should care about your opinion.
D_V: You got me, I shouldn't have pointed out that the wagon wasn't as pure as you claim. If only I had played better and just not play the game at all.
You did claim neutral survivor.
So you might as well not play because nobody should care about your opinion.
So basically how you've been playing today?
Yes, that was a cheap shot, I'm sorry, but how about do some scum hunting? Make up a list, who are your top scum reads right now? Your vote is on shockwave but you didn't put any info with it, are you voting cause you suspect scum or because he's been lurking?
D_V: You got me, I shouldn't have pointed out that the wagon wasn't as pure as you claim. If only I had played better and just not play the game at all.
You did claim neutral survivor.
So you might as well not play because nobody should care about your opinion.
So basically how you've been playing today?
Yes, that was a cheap shot, I'm sorry, but how about do some scum hunting? Make up a list, who are your top scum reads right now? Your vote is on shockwave but you didn't put any info with it, are you voting cause you suspect scum or because he's been lurking?
IDK luwl.
But why are you defending Ghosting for similar behavior and not taking cheap shots at him?
I was thinking about making a spreadsheet to show vote progression so far this game, and post it... is this against the rules? Im not seeing anything that says it is but i wanna double check before breaking another rule lol
That isn't against the rules at all.
Basically anything like invisible text or crypto claiming is, but anything like that is fine. Go to town run stats up the ying yang.
But why are you defending Ghosting for similar behavior and not taking cheap shots at him?
He's got a huge post about his reads and groupings of who he thinks contain scum and associations and crap.
You can't have it both ways, you tell him not to play, but then imply that he already isn't, come on.
What in what game are you and I reading?
He just said "I think X is scum and Y is town" but didn't give any reasons for his reads, he just said I think X and that's good enough. It's worthless. The only person he gave a reason for a read on in that post is Hunt where everyone agrees with him that Hunt is probably town, his reason isn't even the reason I'm reading hunt. His reason is "Double voter means probs not scum", but the real reason anyone should not be voting Hunt is double voter that revealed themselves on Day 1 is probs not scum, because scum actually want to hide that ability till lylo and then win the game.
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
I've also already explained why this wasn't contribution unless you forgot our previous few posts.
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
I've also already explained why this wasn't contribution unless you forgot our previous few posts.
Like come on man.
You said it wasn't reads. If that is contribution then I don't know what you want.
Are you town?
(basically, it means under no circumstance should he ever be lynched. It forces the mafia to basically decide to let him live until the end game, or shoot him in the night. Call it a trick I picked up).
(basically, it means under no circumstance should he ever be lynched. It forces the mafia to basically decide to let him live until the end game, or shoot him in the night. Call it a trick I picked up).
Hmm, I like the idea, but why KK specifically? He isn't your highest town read, though I do notice you put an asterisk next to his (and Ghosting's) name on your list.
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
I've also already explained why this wasn't contribution unless you forgot our previous few posts.
Like come on man.
You said it wasn't reads. If that is contribution then I don't know what you want.
Are you town?
Yes,
What actually did that contribute? Words in the thread? Random "Reads" with not reasons?
It's just pretending to play the game.
I really don't like this. It feels sleazy enough that he is going to jump on town, but leaving room to move onto NewName if something comes up. I could actually see this as a S/S interaction, but I will cross that bridge when I get there.
The rest of his posts EoD are doing almost nothing.
:/.
His start today has done little to inspire.
Speculating on something that will be answered in short time.
Here is some analysis. The first half of his post was him trying to dismiss Proph voting him "cuz nuetral." While I do agree with the core element that Proph doesn't want the town to win, he just doesn't want either side to lose until he completes his WC. He then falls on the conclusion that Proph is actual geniunely hunting, which does really nothing unless he thought Proph was scum yesterday. He then points to KK's vote as likely being the worse, but maybe Scarbo was too opportunistic. This looks like a decent post, but when you break it down, it feels really void of anything that is helpful to the town (unless of course, Proph was up for contention). Even the point towards KK looks weak, and since KK is likely sitting on a town lock (or gets dunked instantly), unless I felt an overwhelming desire to call his hand (Which I don't currently), it feels really weak.
Lean Scum on Shockwave.
Continuing my work once someone else posts. This 3 post per rule is absolutely bull*****.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Town
GJ
Zomg
Huntzilla
KK*
Silver
DV
Jackarito
Scarbo
Null/Reread in Process
Shadow
Proph
Ghosting*
NewName
Vaimes
Scum
Shockwave
Mindreaver
Go ahead and punish me for being the only active. But I need this bookmark, and I have been a relatively good boy as far as warnings/infractions goes so I can take this one.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Shockwave07 (4) - Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Silvercrys3467, scarbo
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
Not Voting (8) - Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Jackrito, D_V, INeedANewName
V/LA:s
Vaimes - during weekends
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, October 27th, at 11:59 PM EST.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I thought this was a joke at first because it's four players, one who is a neutral who doesn't care about lynching town or scum, one who is Scarbo, and two players people are feeling either pretty good or just average about. And now D_V, which you know how I feel about him.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I don't like his reaction, it feels over the top. I could see it as a play by scum, basically show how much he doesn't care if you lynch him or not, and how he might even prefer it, which subconsciously causes people to second guess actually doing so. Regardless, his reaction definitely drops him lower on my list, though I'm not yet sure by how much.
As far as drive, I'm in an observation stage; I'm really hoping most people submit a list, show they're actually thinking about the game and where they stand as far as reads.
Considering my opinions on INANN, I'm very curious as to what he comes up with for his analysis. While I think his post about comments on Tom is reasonable, the other side of that is that Tom really is bloody hard to read. Now for people to be glad of that is another thing, I think he's a strong player and losing a strong townie is never something to be glad about.
If there isn't a lot more participation with scum lists, I'd like to establish some groups of 2 or 3 that we believe scum to be in (similar to Ghosting's earlier post) and really dig into those, I don't want to come down to the wire like we did day one.
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This actually just occurred to me, Has anyone shown any support of Shockwave so far? The lack of people even suggesting he might be town is almost indicative of scum who would rather bus than defend their buddy.
Ghosting called his wagon a bit meh, but doesn't really count (as he's neutral).
I mean, I have my feelings on Scarbo/Silver known a long time ago. Proph is also acting townier than half the game. :shrugs:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You didn't say that :x. My point was that even if this was your first game of mafia, no one actually claims scum. It was an inference I got from your word choice. You were implying about my ego that I didn't die last night because the mafia didn't target me. Yes or no?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This is comical coming from the other neutral.
Ghosting why do you care?
my point precisely
OK I'll stop
Scarbo walk me through your thoughts here. What do you think his win con is that it worries you? Yesterday you didn't believe his claim, today even after his claim is verified, you still want him lynched. if he shared his wincon would you just completely shift focus? Is it really that difficult to trust the logical assumption of what it should be?
Be back later/morning at latest
I'll respond with the more pertinent question.
Why does a "neutral" seem to care so much what people think of him and about the "Legitimacy of wagons"?
Why is this ok with you?
I imagine that said neutral really does care about catching actual scum, because that gives him more days in the game before LyLo, meaning a better chance at achieving his wincon.
Additionally, we know that neutral reads aren't coming from scum, so having their reads in the game acts almost like an anchor. I know that they are not immune to making mistakes or even manipulating their reads against people they haven't vanillified/unlocked, but that's not really relevant at the moment, nor do I expect it to be as we can get confirmation of who they target each day.
Yes, implied. But your case is taking my implication and building on it so that I "KNEW the mafia hadn't targeted you" which doesn't actually follow. That's still just conclusion based on shaky ground, and you've just continued to build on it. Hence, house of cards.
I'm assuming these are the three that expressed happiness at Tom's death? So what do you think of your findings then?
Okay, Vaimes implied that Tom was hard to read in 1078, but did not do so in a way that implied she was glad that Tom was dead. (Vaimes, I've seen you referred to with the pronoun she, but I apologize if that is incorrect)
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
You did claim neutral survivor.
So you might as well not play because nobody should care about your opinion.
I am male.
NewName: 1) incorrect; 2) what was your point?
So basically how you've been playing today?
Yes, that was a cheap shot, I'm sorry, but how about do some scum hunting? Make up a list, who are your top scum reads right now? Your vote is on shockwave but you didn't put any info with it, are you voting cause you suspect scum or because he's been lurking?
Darn, I was looking forward to some big reveal, and my bad, thank you for clarifying.
IDK luwl.
But why are you defending Ghosting for similar behavior and not taking cheap shots at him?
That isn't against the rules at all.
Basically anything like invisible text or crypto claiming is, but anything like that is fine. Go to town run stats up the ying yang.
He's got a huge post about his reads and groupings of who he thinks contain scum and associations and crap.
You can't have it both ways, you tell him not to play, but then imply that he already isn't, come on.
What in what game are you and I reading?
He just said "I think X is scum and Y is town" but didn't give any reasons for his reads, he just said I think X and that's good enough. It's worthless. The only person he gave a reason for a read on in that post is Hunt where everyone agrees with him that Hunt is probably town, his reason isn't even the reason I'm reading hunt. His reason is "Double voter means probs not scum", but the real reason anyone should not be voting Hunt is double voter that revealed themselves on Day 1 is probs not scum, because scum actually want to hide that ability till lylo and then win the game.
It isn't semantics though. There is zero contribution and you are trying to paint it as doing something.
Why?
He's literally not doing anything other than attacking those attacking him. That is it.
How is this useful?
What's more alarming is tunneling him instead of actual scum hunting.
Do what you want I guess, but if you're town, stop worrying about him and focus on the people who might actually be trying to kill us.
You mean like Ghosting right?
I've also already explained why this wasn't contribution unless you forgot our previous few posts.
Like come on man.
You said it wasn't reads. If that is contribution then I don't know what you want.
Are you town?
Shadow is earning more town block.
If I wasn't almost positive DV is lock town, I might be a bit worried.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
(basically, it means under no circumstance should he ever be lynched. It forces the mafia to basically decide to let him live until the end game, or shoot him in the night. Call it a trick I picked up).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Hmm, I like the idea, but why KK specifically? He isn't your highest town read, though I do notice you put an asterisk next to his (and Ghosting's) name on your list.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yes,
What actually did that contribute? Words in the thread? Random "Reads" with not reasons?
It's just pretending to play the game.
D_V. Play.
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