Who would you like to lynch toDay Shockwave?
Do you have any strong town or scum reads?
What's up with GJ vs Mindreaver in your opinion?
Do you even care if we lynch you?
ghosting until you tell us what your win condition is, you can kindly f off with your pretense of helping us scum hunt thanks
Why are you tunneling this? Ghosting's claim has been verified, and yes, I know it's not impossible for him to have arranged some crazy gambit, but that just isn't the case.
What possible win condition could he have that's causing you to want him to claim so bad?
I'm with you on this point. I don't like that Scarbo is tunneling this so much.
Town
Shadowlancerx
Huntzilla
Zomgarcwind
Gentleman Johnny
Town lean but lower confidence
Vaimes
Mindreaver
Silvercry
Null/mixed
Jackrito
Kosakosa
D_V
Scum lean
Shockwave
Scarbo
INeedANewName
Neutrals:
Ghosting
Prophylaxis
I'm doing most of this from memory, so please engage me if you think I've made a crappy read, or skated over important details.
My town reads, these are the people that either behaviorally or mechanically would surprise me if they flipped scum.
Huntzilla being a double voter and all that makes bums pretty likely town.
Zomgarcwind and Gentleman Johnny read pretty strong town, and Zom's early day freak out at being possibly investigated as scum when he's not reads very organically to me.
Town lean, these people I would find their flip of scum as more believable, but not overly so.
Vaimes has not really hit my radar negatively and has seemed fairly town so far.
Mindreaver and Silvercry solid town lean so far, logical posts, seem town oriented.
Null/mixed are people that could go either way, but either their play or mechanics of the game make me leery.
Jackrito and Kosa have both said some decent things, but not nearly as strong as those above.
DV...ugh. Tom flipping town makes DV look scummier to me, but Tom also really believed in him being town. I think his ghosting push was anger fueled, and thus more believable than Scarbo's
Scum leans are those I would like to actively seek a lynch on.
Shockwave was lurky and mechanic oriented, but his most recent post I like. He is most likely to move up of the three here.
Scarbo has been fairly manipulative with his posts, and I'm not a fan of his dismissive attitude about several things.
INANN is still the scummiest player I've seen, and I don't care for his interactions with other players, regardless of alignment. Just really not good town play at all.
Neutrals...
Ghosting is mathematically more town helpful than scum helpful, and is trying to actively scum hunt today. I will not vote to lynch him.
Proph is not as good for town, but his desire to be town helpful feels genuine. I am not a fan of his hammer of a player he believed to be town, but until he shows willingness to continue anti town behavior I'm not interested in lynching him.
This is basically where I am at right now. I have a few changes to the order, but overall, I am feeling pretty good on where Shadow's head is at.
Game full of PRs/unknowns: He knows the mafia didn't actually try to kill me.
I am glad you brought this up because the same thought went through my head when I saw that he was the first person to post. Speculation about night kills at the very start of the day has a high chance of coming from scum, but I think Mindreaver is smart enough to NOT be so blatant about it... which is why he used the moment to instead poke fun.
The worst part is how he starts to unravel after you caught this...
wait whut I'm gonna look at whoever said they were glad tom died closer I think like it might be alignment indicative in some way. It struck me just now players who had nothing to say about the game but wanted to comment on the gamestate. One of those oh ***** posts that scum make to break imaginary tension to see if night actions somehow revealed them. Did that make sense? God I hope so.
This would be a good point, if it wasn't the obvious neutral that said it. Feels like a forced "I'm gonna do something" post.
Did I say, or imply, that I thought otherwise? Very interesting response though.
You throwin a lot of shade, boy. And I am still not super happy about you disappearing while we were narrowing down our wagon choices. Your saving grace right now is that I have bigger fish to fry.
Also, shock figured out my connection to MU, that SOB. And mtgs rules about spam are maj0or dog *****.
Meh, define "shade". When I say something like "Oh, GJ didn't get killed like he certainly thought he would" and you follow up with "It's because I asked for protective roles to target me". That argument doesn't prove you're town, and that is all I was pointing out. That the state of the game could be reached more than one way, and the second way was: "you're on the scumteam". That really shouldn't be that surprising.
I don't think you're scum. I don't think you're particularly great at catching scum. If I'm your biggest suspect, right or wrong, mafia are laughing at you, and you probably aren't the night kill again because your reads are so far off.
As far as me "disappearing", I do that as town and scum Honestly, I'm just happy I made it to day 2, usually I get mislynched/nightkilled D1/N1.
But if you can convince the town that I'm the best they can do, go for it. I'm just vanilla and my trigger sucks, so no PRs lost and you can narrow the field a bit more.
I am not a fan of the "oh well, don't care if I die" posts. My point of view on this mafia theory point is that EVERYONE wants to live. When people say this I automatically lean towards scum bravado.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
Okay Mind. Take the attitude out of it. Walk me through why you lost your cool a bit here? It's only GJ scum-reading you at this posts time. You aren't going down in any way. Why so emotional about it?
Work is super busy. And I'm still not over my hangover.
Popping in to say I approve of Shockwave lynch.
Shock: pretend you're a Daycop. The mod will instantly tell you the alignment of anyone you want. Who do you pick, why, and how does their alignment affect the rest of your reads?
Shock still needs to claim, but I'm not ready to end the day yet. I would like to finish my reread and there's a few players that should at least give their thoughts on the Shockwave lynch before we go through with it.
Shock still needs to claim, but I'm not ready to end the day yet. I would like to finish my reread and there's a few players that should at least give their thoughts on the Shockwave lynch before we go through with it.
I definitely agree, we still haven't heard a whole lot from most people.
I am Inaho Kaizuka from Aldnoah.Zero, Jack of all trades.
I have a 1-shot cop, 1-shot Jailer (also known as Jail Keeper for you MU guys, can't self target) , and 1-shot deflection (can use this on a Night and target another player. If a player targets me with a non-factional ability, they target the player I target instead).
I am Inaho Kaizuka from Aldnoah.Zero, Jack of all trades.
I have a 1-shot cop, 1-shot Jailer (also known as Jail Keeper for you MU guys, can't self target) , and 1-shot deflection (can use this on a Night and target another player. If a player targets me with a non-factional ability, they target the player I target instead).
Last Night I targeted GJ with the Jailor shot.
My ability unlocks when Yuno Gasai dies.
I'm a bit behind, but will do what I can.
Reconcile the claim, and the action, with this:
Quote from Shockwave07 »
If I'm to be a possible lynch tomorrow, Proph, choose me.
You're a pretty powerful town power role, why did you want to be vanillaized?
Honestly it would be awesome if you got me or KK, our conditions most likely wont get met. Whichever of us you trust more
This is actually true and I do need to unlock you guys sooner or later. I'm going to be randomizing from a group of 5 again, but will make sure you guys are in that group of 5.
Proph, my mindset the past Day was I wasn't having a solid Day the previous Day. Still trying to solidify myself as a town read, but doubt I can do so.
You saw how close I came to being lynched. Either way if it was possible I could be lynched toDay I'd rather risk being vanillafied than another town role take the hit.
Apparently last Night my opinion (or yours to be plain) didn't matter.
I just don't understand the mindset of a powerful town power role (a JoaT with a one-shot cop) ASKS to be vanillaized. It makes sense if you were going to redirect it, but you jailed GJ because.. why.
If no one counterclaims the block on GJ, then shock's claim seems real. Based on what GJ said yesterday, the odds of scum targeting him over a town protective role (in this case jailer) seem pretty low.
@Shockwave: I think you're wrong from a strictly mechanical perspective - confirming the alignment of someone in the PoE pool is more powerful than saving someone we already think is town, especially when it didn't work anyway.
But that's not really what Proph was getting at.
You asked to be vanillaized. You're probably the strongest town role in the game if your claim is true. Like, maybe you're undervaluing the cop shot or something, but it's really strong if I'm correctly set-up speculating.
On the other hand, GJ asked to be doc'd, and you did that. Your doc just came with a roleblock. So I can see why you would jailer him instead of copping someone else. But then you didn't even bring up that GJ asked to be doc'd in your defense, you just said you were trying to stop the kill.
Like, the mindset where you go "I have a cop shot and a jailer, I'm going to use the jailer on GJ and ask to be vanillaized toNight since I could be lynched toMorrow" doesn't make sense. Because your claim stops your lynch anyway, so there's no reason to get vanillaized. It just makes you worth less (not worthless) if you don't get lynched. And if Proph had vanillaized you like you asked to be then your claim can't save you. So Proph was thinking you might have wanted to redirect the vanillaize to someone else, since that would square the mindset of "please vanillaize me" with "I'm the strongest town role in the game" but you didn't try to redirect, you used your jailer shot instead.
I don't know. I'm going to try to finish my reread tonight and chew this one over a little. I think there probably is an x-shot cop in the set-up for [reasons], but Proph has a really good point that if Shock is the cop he shouldn't have asked to be vanillaized.
Just a plea from somebody who has trouble playing weekends, can we wait until tomorrow night? That will give me enough time to reread tom like I wanted.
Cythare or I need a new name... And I swear there's something familiar about the latter, but not under that name. Could be me reading too much into it as well.
Given a choice, still feel better about Inann than Cythare.
Vote: Cythare
shock's been super lowkey on interactions with anyone except Proph and ghosting, which bodes well. in fact a scum flip would support town!kosa and -!DV.
shock's been super lowkey on interactions with anyone except Proph and ghosting, which bodes well. in fact a scum flip would support town!kosa and -!DV.
I'm virtually conftown (and I have a hint that scum know it) and will prolly be so mechanically in one or two Days tops.
Which actually sucks twice for scum because everytime I get a great PR I tend to play D1 erratically since I know I'm unlynchable but scum can't really take their time to NK me because there are always more important targets
After Shock flips the Mafia Roleblocker I'm 99% sure he is, this game is in our pockets.
@Jackrito: What do you think of Soren's behavior before he got replaced?
I thought Soren's quick, early, slightly inquisitive posting was more reminiscent of town!Soren than scum!Soren, but I admittedly don't have much experience with him as scum. scum!Soren in my experience tends to be more wally.
I think there is a difference between "slower meta" on mtgs compared to other sites versus "we shouldn't do anything for 2+ days because a chunk of the game is gone."
I am getting pretty annoyed too, and it's killing my motivation to continue to post.
Who would you like to lynch toDay Shockwave?
Do you have any strong town or scum reads?
What's up with GJ vs Mindreaver in your opinion?
Do you even care if we lynch you?
Whut no I'm town
I'm with you on this point. I don't like that Scarbo is tunneling this so much.
This is basically where I am at right now. I have a few changes to the order, but overall, I am feeling pretty good on where Shadow's head is at.
Town
Shadowlancerx
Gentleman Johnny
Vaimes
Town lean
Silvercry
D_V
Kosakosa
Null/Scum Lean
Jackrito
Scarbo
Zomgarcwind
Scum Team
Mindreaver
Shockwave
INeedANewName
Neutrals:
Ghosting
Prophylaxis
I am glad you brought this up because the same thought went through my head when I saw that he was the first person to post. Speculation about night kills at the very start of the day has a high chance of coming from scum, but I think Mindreaver is smart enough to NOT be so blatant about it... which is why he used the moment to instead poke fun.
The worst part is how he starts to unravel after you caught this... This would be a good point, if it wasn't the obvious neutral that said it. Feels like a forced "I'm gonna do something" post. I am not a fan of the "oh well, don't care if I die" posts. My point of view on this mafia theory point is that EVERYONE wants to live. When people say this I automatically lean towards scum bravado. Okay Mind. Take the attitude out of it. Walk me through why you lost your cool a bit here? It's only GJ scum-reading you at this posts time. You aren't going down in any way. Why so emotional about it?
My votes goes here:
Vote Shock
Vote Shock
Shockwave07 (7) - Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Silvercrys3467, scarbo, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla (L-1)
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
Not Voting (5) - Mindreaver, Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Jackrito, INeedANewName
V/LA:s
Vaimes - during weekends
INANN - until late Sunday / early Monday
Please tell us if we missed anybody !
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, October 27th, at 11:59 PM EST.
Day 2: 2.1
Popping in to say I approve of Shockwave lynch.
Shock: pretend you're a Daycop. The mod will instantly tell you the alignment of anyone you want. Who do you pick, why, and how does their alignment affect the rest of your reads?
TIA
Shock still needs to claim, but I'm not ready to end the day yet. I would like to finish my reread and there's a few players that should at least give their thoughts on the Shockwave lynch before we go through with it.
I definitely agree, we still haven't heard a whole lot from most people.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I am Inaho Kaizuka from Aldnoah.Zero, Jack of all trades.
I have a 1-shot cop, 1-shot Jailer (also known as Jail Keeper for you MU guys, can't self target) , and 1-shot deflection (can use this on a Night and target another player. If a player targets me with a non-factional ability, they target the player I target instead).
Last Night I targeted GJ with the Jailor shot.
My ability unlocks when Yuno Gasai dies.
I'm a bit behind, but will do what I can.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the sigpic.
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Reconcile the claim, and the action, with this:
You're a pretty powerful town power role, why did you want to be vanillaized?
I agree with this, I don't see a no lynch happening.
This is actually true and I do need to unlock you guys sooner or later. I'm going to be randomizing from a group of 5 again, but will make sure you guys are in that group of 5.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Shockwave07 (5) - Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, scarbo, Huntzilla, Huntzilla
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
Not Voting (7) - Mindreaver, Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Jackrito, INeedANewName, Silvercrys3467, D_V
V/LA:s
Vaimes - during weekends
INANN - until late Sunday / early Monday
Please tell us if we missed anybody !
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, October 27th, at 11:59 PM EST.
Day 2: 2.1 2.2
You saw how close I came to being lynched. Either way if it was possible I could be lynched toDay I'd rather risk being vanillafied than another town role take the hit.
Apparently last Night my opinion (or yours to be plain) didn't matter.
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I just don't understand the mindset of a powerful town power role (a JoaT with a one-shot cop) ASKS to be vanillaized. It makes sense if you were going to redirect it, but you jailed GJ because.. why.
Didn't stop it as Tom was the kill.
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
But that's not really what Proph was getting at.
You asked to be vanillaized. You're probably the strongest town role in the game if your claim is true. Like, maybe you're undervaluing the cop shot or something, but it's really strong if I'm correctly set-up speculating.
On the other hand, GJ asked to be doc'd, and you did that. Your doc just came with a roleblock. So I can see why you would jailer him instead of copping someone else. But then you didn't even bring up that GJ asked to be doc'd in your defense, you just said you were trying to stop the kill.
Like, the mindset where you go "I have a cop shot and a jailer, I'm going to use the jailer on GJ and ask to be vanillaized toNight since I could be lynched toMorrow" doesn't make sense. Because your claim stops your lynch anyway, so there's no reason to get vanillaized. It just makes you worth less (not worthless) if you don't get lynched. And if Proph had vanillaized you like you asked to be then your claim can't save you. So Proph was thinking you might have wanted to redirect the vanillaize to someone else, since that would square the mindset of "please vanillaize me" with "I'm the strongest town role in the game" but you didn't try to redirect, you used your jailer shot instead.
I don't know. I'm going to try to finish my reread tonight and chew this one over a little. I think there probably is an x-shot cop in the set-up for [reasons], but Proph has a really good point that if Shock is the cop he shouldn't have asked to be vanillaized.
there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's lying about his latent...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yeah I'm starting to get why ghosting is getting a pass.
We've got a problem on these forums now.
Kill it with fire.
Vote Shockwave.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yeah I believe this.
I'm ready to end the day nobody is saying anything.
Vote Shockwave
I'd rather wait.
Jack only has one post toDay so far, for example.
And yeah, he should be at L-1 still. Me and D_V unvoted, then GJ and D_V voted.
Shockwave07 (7) - Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, scarbo, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, Gentleman Johnny, D_V (L-1)
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
Not Voting (6) - Mindreaver, Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Jackrito, INeedANewName, Silvercrys3467
V/LA:s
Vaimes - during weekends
INANN - until late Sunday / early Monday
Please tell us if we missed anybody !
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, October 27th, at 11:59 PM EST.
Day 2: 2.1 2.2 2.3
Unvote
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I might recommend taking me off that list.
Good point! I'll think of a fifth that isn't you.
Maybe Jackrito (he hasn't had his ability activated, right? lol).
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
shock's been super lowkey on interactions with anyone except Proph and ghosting, which bodes well. in fact a scum flip would support town!kosa and -!DV.
Mindreave or INeedANewName
I'm virtually conftown (and I have a hint that scum know it) and will prolly be so mechanically in one or two Days tops.
Which actually sucks twice for scum because everytime I get a great PR I tend to play D1 erratically since I know I'm unlynchable but scum can't really take their time to NK me because there are always more important targets
After Shock flips the Mafia Roleblocker I'm 99% sure he is, this game is in our pockets.
I'm going to call that caught scum.
Let us end this.
I thought Soren's quick, early, slightly inquisitive posting was more reminiscent of town!Soren than scum!Soren, but I admittedly don't have much experience with him as scum. scum!Soren in my experience tends to be more wally.
I am getting pretty annoyed too, and it's killing my motivation to continue to post.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'll retract my ~tenuous secret townread of NewName and will probably vanillaize him.
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The GJ way path to no lynching: