And redirected Proph to D_V on the same Night? Wow, talk about OP. I wish I could scan mods' minds about their game design inventions because geez, neutrals surely are a bit over the top nowadays.
I'm going to confirm that this happened to me.
Vote Ghosting
Yeah you lied about your role I'm out.
Which part was a lie? He said his normal ability was to unlock people's second abilities, and he openly claimed that he had a form of protection if he was targeted? Did you think that was a bluff, because if so, you can't be mad at him for lying, because he didn't.
There was an explicit agreement yesterDay that he would reveal his win condition in exchange for backing off his lynch. Continuing to hide it from us only leads me to believe it could conflict with ours. And now I wouldn't even believe what he did tell us to be his win condition.
Well this just ****ed up my whole game.... Worse person to die got killed.
I dont think i'll be needing this anymore, but just incase
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Gotta completely re-think this day now... **** **** **** **** **** **** ****
As you already know, this post breaks game-specific rule #5 (No cryptoclaiming).
We have discussed this matter with Togs and have decided against modkilling zomg.
However, no more of rule infringements will be tolerated.
We will get back this rule infringement post-game, however.
It's still Day 2. With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
@Kosa and maybe @GJ too - Forced interaction? I just got a little tired of hearing how wonderful and amazing GJ is yesterday. I mean how many posts were about how great a scumcatcher he is. And yes, GJ, it's possible you weren't killed because you asked for protection. It's also possible you're on the scumteam. That argument is WIFOM either way, and not the "good for town" kind.
I'm really glad Tom got sorted, he is hard to read, and I want to go re-read him, especially his D_V (also hard for me to read) and Silver (I'm just tunneling ) interactions.
My main reason for originally not sharing as much is because the players pushing for more information were my top scum reads. If town doesn't feel comfortable not knowing parts of my role even after I've proven I do indeed unlock abilities with no limits, then sure, I'll share more. As of right now, it benefits both myself and town by not giving away all information.
In all honesty though, it's pretty obvious what my win con is lol. It almost doesn't need to be said.
Long story short, we'll prove my role tonight, and then I'll happily float along unlocking people until I win and am removed from the game.
Can we please focus on real discussion (namely finding real scum) and let go of this petty spat? Seriously If you guys stopped forcing Ghosting's every reply to be fending off attacks, we might actually get something done!
He's proven his role, he's not harmful to town, drop it.
Thanks for the comments guys, it's frustrating when the stuff being said doesn't even make sense.
@Scarbo: So are you willing to post who you think the scum team is, or do you not have any other reads? I'd like you to tell me why you think they're scum, and also why you think they're buddies.
One more game with a mod kill in as short of time would likely start to drive me batty.
That said, I do have to get to Ghosting's question... And note I placed the wrong player's name in a post above (D_V instead of Ghosting... Or did I really mean it the other way? Can't keep things straight.
Right now the only two votes on me are from a claimed Neutral and someone that came under heat yesterday.
Proph's vote, I truthfully have no trouble with. Being a claimed neutral doesn't mean you can't scum hunt. It carries it's own risks, but that's another matter. A skim over yesterday's posts, especially in the latter part of the Day feel like this is genuine hunting, not faked. Points on Scarbo, the talk of Huntzilla the double voter and the possibility of losing it weakening the chance of him being town, even looking at myself (as I've gone after people I've thought were scum for excessive mechanics talk like Ghosting in Mafia for 5). Nothing about this feels faked to me.
If one of the votes is to come into question, I'd say it was Kosa's. Low post count, defensive at my lack of confidence in him from yesterday, and pinging a lot of radars, he deserves a closer look.
That said, the only thing that makes me question this is how quick Scarbo was to jump on him for the vote. Felt oppertunistic, and need to see if the two are possibly comnected.
@Ghosting:
Your big wagon thing was basically what I said but with more words lol.
Though I think you missed some voting context in it, like: NewName didn't vote Cyth until a few others (tom, GJ, zomg) expressed interest in lynching him. Could definitely have been scum getting in on a wagon early.
@GJ:
Why did you vote Ghosting?
Do you not believe his claim?
Does anyone who doesn't believe Ghosting think Vaimes is his buddy or something?
Or is he scum that unlocks abilities?
Cause the second thing doesn't really make sense to me from a set-up PoV.
Don't think I want to lynch zomg.
Risking a mod kill for town points as scum is a terrible play.
And I doubt he would have taken it upon himself to do it without consulting his team.
I basically just want Shock dead at the moment, so: vote: Shockwave
Town
Shadowlancerx
Huntzilla
Zomgarcwind
Gentleman Johnny
Town lean but lower confidence
Vaimes
Mindreaver
Silvercry
Null/mixed
Jackrito
Kosakosa
D_V
Scum lean
Shockwave
Scarbo
INeedANewName
Neutrals:
Ghosting
Prophylaxis
I'm doing most of this from memory, so please engage me if you think I've made a crappy read, or skated over important details.
My town reads, these are the people that either behaviorally or mechanically would surprise me if they flipped scum.
Huntzilla being a double voter and all that makes bums pretty likely town.
Zomgarcwind and Gentleman Johnny read pretty strong town, and Zom's early day freak out at being possibly investigated as scum when he's not reads very organically to me.
Town lean, these people I would find their flip of scum as more believable, but not overly so.
Vaimes has not really hit my radar negatively and has seemed fairly town so far.
Mindreaver and Silvercry solid town lean so far, logical posts, seem town oriented.
Null/mixed are people that could go either way, but either their play or mechanics of the game make me leery.
Jackrito and Kosa have both said some decent things, but not nearly as strong as those above.
DV...ugh. Tom flipping town makes DV look scummier to me, but Tom also really believed in him being town. I think his ghosting push was anger fueled, and thus more believable than Scarbo's
Scum leans are those I would like to actively seek a lynch on.
Shockwave was lurky and mechanic oriented, but his most recent post I like. He is most likely to move up of the three here.
Scarbo has been fairly manipulative with his posts, and I'm not a fan of his dismissive attitude about several things.
INANN is still the scummiest player I've seen, and I don't care for his interactions with other players, regardless of alignment. Just really not good town play at all.
Neutrals...
Ghosting is mathematically more town helpful than scum helpful, and is trying to actively scum hunt today. I will not vote to lynch him.
Proph is not as good for town, but his desire to be town helpful feels genuine. I am not a fan of his hammer of a player he believed to be town, but until he shows willingness to continue anti town behavior I'm not interested in lynching him.
@Gentleman Johnny:
Did you say earlier in the thread what your main ability was? You got roll blocked, so I'm curious as to what was blocked and asking is easier than sifting through posts at this moment.
@Gentleman Johnny:
Did you say earlier in the thread what your main ability was? You got roll blocked, so I'm curious as to what was blocked and asking is easier than sifting through posts at this moment.
I said nothing about my role, although I admitted that my latent ability would be triggered if I was target by a mafia ability and didn't die. I actually lied about that. My ability just has to fail to hit its original target, either by being redirected, blocked, or failing. That happened, and it has to be a roleblock.
@GJ:
Why did you vote Ghosting?
Do you not believe his claim?
Does anyone who doesn't believe Ghosting think Vaimes is his buddy or something?
1). He still isn't revealing his WC, and I don't buy the bull***** of "it's for the town's own good." It's the same reason Trump won't release his tax *****: he knows it will look bad.
2). I'm town. Ghosting/Reaver can get over that.
3). Before AA, I would have thought that no, mafia would never be bold enough to give their member something beneficial. I was clearly wrong. I am holding my breathe that Vaimes got a guilty result or something.
4). ZOMG is pretty much lock town.
5). Unvote Ghosting, Vote Shockwave. There is exactly two ways I back off, but for now, I think he slipped with the whole "you don't know it was a roleblock comment" Unless someone is going to argue two Ascetic type abilities.
If one of the votes is to come into question, I'd say it was Kosa's.(1)
Low post count(2), defensive at my lack of confidence in him from yesterday(3), and pinging a lot of radars(4), he deserves a closer look.(5)
1) "I want to delegitimize votes on me but there's only two, one of which is from the claimed neutral that's being the most protown player around. So I guess I gotta do the other one."
2) I have the same post count as you. The. Same. 25 (well, 26 as of this post). As if that didn't invalidate this point completely, there's also another thing: people should freaking stop using post counts as the meanings of anything, because players can have low posts counts and still lay out their opinions thoroughly. Despite my low post count, my views on lots of players and the gamestate are well-documented. Unlike you, btw, who's constantly going through game mechanics instead of player analysis.
3) Uhh what?
4) "I'll use the views people had on him a week ago and ignore everything else that's happening on the game to justify my stance."
5) If you really think so then do it, instead of subtly leaving the suggestion there in hopes someone else picks it up and does the job for you. I'll be glad to tear right through it.
Hunt is a Double Voter and I am satisfied he isn't doing his "don't look at me I'm scum" empty content lurking. Kosa is town, upon reread; will elaborate eventually, but not a priority right now. Silver is just...bleeding town. zomg is newbtown and I highly doubt he'd try and code a fakeclaim like that as scum without being told in scumchat that that's a very very bad idea. GJ looked very much like an early game scapegoat wagon. I think scarbo's super narrow Neutral focus is more doesn't-give-a-***** town than mafia, 'cause like. Tunneling a claimed Neutral is straight from page two of How To Get Yourself Lynched As Scum 101, and I know he isn't new. Ghosting and Proph are just Not Mafia. I don't have it in my heart to lynch Proph on any given day because he's a swell guy. Ghosting unlocked my ability, so he's pretty cool.
I will now be accepting applications into the towncircle. There's room for one more.
Hunt is a Double Voter and I am satisfied he isn't doing his "don't look at me I'm scum" empty content lurking. Kosa is town, upon reread; will elaborate eventually, but not a priority right now. Silver is just...bleeding town. zomg is newbtown and I highly doubt he'd try and code a fakeclaim like that as scum without being told in scumchat that that's a very very bad idea. GJ looked very much like an early game scapegoat wagon. I think scarbo's super narrow Neutral focus is more doesn't-give-a-***** town than mafia, 'cause like. Tunneling a claimed Neutral is straight from page two of How To Get Yourself Lynched As Scum 101, and I know he isn't new. Ghosting and Proph are just Not Mafia. I don't have it in my heart to lynch Proph on any given day because he's a swell guy. Ghosting unlocked my ability, so he's pretty cool.
I will now be accepting applications into the towncircle. There's room for one more.
Vote NewName
This still needs death.
Yeah, he did the same thing mindreaver did: disappear when momentum shifted off him.
Mindreaver/Newname/Shock/KK*
@KK: You mentioned that you could prove your ability. No one else other than me claimed RB. Can you confirm your ability (if asked to)?
Did I say, or imply, that I thought otherwise? Very interesting response though.
You throwin a lot of shade, boy. And I am still not super happy about you disappearing while we were narrowing down our wagon choices. Your saving grace right now is that I have bigger fish to fry.
Also, shock figured out my connection to MU, that SOB. And mtgs rules about spam are maj0or dog *****.
1). It literally doesn't effect the town, so zero harm.
2). I wanted to see if I could draw a roleblock.
That's my problem with it. You wanted to see if you could draw a roleblock by claiming to have your latent unlocked if you were targeted by non-killing abilities?
"Oh that GJ guy claimed that he'd unlock his latent if he's targeted by a non-killing ability."
"Hmmm he must be gambitting cus he's got a really good Night action. So lets bite it and roleblock him regardless."
Like.
And it actually does affect the town. Because you're considering that only scum could roleblock you, when in fact it's pretty common for town to have any kind of redirects/roleblocks in Specialties, which, if you're town, would never be better used on you as it would be on scum.
You're not quite there yet. Your claim is boggling my mind right now.
I'm ******* there. Mindreaver wolf because he is salty he can't lynch my fine ass
That's my problem with it. You wanted to see if you could draw a roleblock by claiming to have your latent unlocked if you were targeted by non-killing abilities?
"Oh that GJ guy claimed that he'd unlock his latent if he's targeted by a non-killing ability."
"Hmmm he must be gambitting cus he's got a really good Night action. So lets bite it and roleblock him regardless."
Like.
Well it ******* worked unless Shockwave wants to claim ascetic. And since ghosting is claiming redirect, along with DV, that's pretty ******* unlikely.
And it actually does affect the town. Because you're considering that only scum could roleblock you, when in fact it's pretty common for town to have any kind of redirects/roleblocks in Specialties, which, if you're town, would never be better used on you as it would be on scum.
If a townie was stupid enough to roleblock me, I don't actually care and we probably lose the game.
@KK: You mentioned that you could prove your ability. No one else other than me claimed RB. Can you confirm your ability (if asked to)?
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Good. Now start being townie so it doesn't come to that.
Like seriously Kosa, you are riding what little good faith I put in you. Do an Iso, I don't need an essay. Just make a case for someone being town/scum, and maybe I can start being more secure in my 4/5 people as scum. Pretty locked on 4, whether ghosting is lying or not.
Ghosting, stop with the *****ty OMGUS. It wasn't flattering when you did it in AA, it isn't now. Don't take it as me being a jackass because townies do it all the time, but if you legit think I could be scum and you want to continue this charade of being town, act the part.
I will be doing ISOs, rereads and ***** while I am less drunk tomorrow. You better get your ***** in line before I am done with you. I am gouing to make that mafia ******* regret not shooting me in the face.
Well it ******* worked unless Shockwave wants to claim ascetic. And since ghosting is claiming redirect, along with DV, that's pretty ******* unlikely.
Or you're lying about the roleblock to have your Night action "accounted" for. Both of us can play the WIFOM game, my friend.
And, of note, Shock didn't even blink an eye when you said you had targeted him. Virtually no mention of or curiosity upon it, which I find highly unlikely behavior for a townie to engage on. It makes me believe that he already knew he was targeted by you so it didn't come off as a surprise, which means either:
1) he has some kind of knowledge regarding who targets him, or;
2) you're scumbuddies that discussed that fakeclaim in the Mafia Chat.
Or you're lying about the roleblock to have your Night action "accounted" for. Both of us can play the WIFOM game, my friend.
So, in a role full of town PRs, I decided to either hold the roleblock, or not use it when I could have generated a ***** ton of WIFOM with Ghosting/DV instead? o-0?
There is no WIFOM. I was roleblocked, my latent ability is locked. Just to add more to it though, I don't shoot tom in any circumstance when I am scum.
And, of note, Shock didn't even blink an eye when you said you had targeted him. Virtually no mention of or curiosity upon it, which I find highly unlikely behavior for a townie to engage on. It makes me believe that he already knew he was targeted by you so it didn't come off as a surprise, which means either:
1) he has some kind of knowledge regarding who targets him, or;
2) you're scumbuddies that discussed that fakeclaim in the Mafia Chat.
Well, he doesn't know what I targeted him with. I imagine regardless of his alignment, he was a likely target to be shot, tracked, copped, frisked, whatever *target scummy player* ability you want to insert. I wouldn't expect him to bat an eye.
ILolwut? What exactly makes you think town roleblocking you, from the standpoint of said townie, would be a stupid idea?
From the no-lynch, to the protect me, to the the latent ability, I was breadcrumbing pretty hard I had a relevant ability. It would have been very stupid for a townie to roleblock me.
Like, come on KoKo. Be reasonable. I;m town. If you're town, get whatever paranoia about me pulling one over out of your system, and help me solve this game. Not used to being the more experienced player here and it feels ******* strange.
So, in a role full of town PRs, I decided to either hold the roleblock, or not use it when I could have generated a ***** ton of WIFOM with Ghosting/DV instead? o-0?
There is no WIFOM. I was roleblocked, my latent ability is locked. Just to add more to it though, I don't shoot tom in any circumstance when I am scum.
But I never said you actually are the roleblocker...?
Also, the point on Tom not only is WIFOM but a contradiction. You were the one that said NK'ing you would make sense because you were one of the most active players (the most active as of N1), which denotes your logic regarding NKs. Tom was the second most active player tied with Ghosting, a neutral. So really, come and tell me that you shooting Tom doesn't make sense if, by your own words, it does.
Well, he doesn't know what I targeted him with. I imagine regardless of his alignment, he was a likely target to be shot, tracked, copped, frisked, whatever *target scummy player* ability you want to insert. I wouldn't expect him to bat an eye.
Pray tell, how can you boldly affirm that he doesn't know what you targeted him with?
From the no-lynch, to the protect me, to the the latent ability, I was breadcrumbing pretty hard I had a relevant ability. It would have been very stupid for a townie to roleblock me.
To a townie roleblocker scumreading you, that wouldn't matter at all and you would be blocked regardless, so your point is moot.
zero clue how to approach this game. Also the mindset of being glad tomslogger died because something as trivial as hard to read; people are happy? like legit whutface. If you don't play for the puzzle why bother. it's good to know tho sorta.
Game might be legit unwinnable already. woe is me. players are complaining about me even though I haven't said anything that harsh. I have no vested interest here. Maybe take what I say at face value. it's not my intent to insult your play or hurt your fragile ego. I say what I see. DV legit said nothing early game it was terrible play. like what else am I gonna say? I thought he was mafia for it. I said so in my very initial posts of the game. Just goes to show dv wasn't actually paying attention to me or what I wrote. only becoming professionally offended much later. It felt a bit fake such a late reaction to it.
as far as kosa and gj goes kosa makes way to many assumptions for me to consider anything off of it. Maybe kosa is a prophet or even worse a conspiracy theorist those are usually scum.
weird that none of the third parties died. modified mexican standoff? usually in games I play either town kills the 3rd parties immediately or scum does. well we chose not to kill them so I guess one of them already won?
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This is like the Shawshank redemption only with more tunneling through ***** and no ******* redemption
wait whut I'm gonna look at whoever said they were glad tom died closer I think like it might be alignment indicative in some way. It struck me just now players who had nothing to say about the game but wanted to comment on the gamestate. One of those oh ***** posts that scum make to break imaginary tension to see if night actions somehow revealed them. Did that make sense? God I hope so.
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This is like the Shawshank redemption only with more tunneling through ***** and no ******* redemption
wait whut I'm gonna look at whoever said they were glad tom died closer I think like it might be alignment indicative in some way. It struck me just now players who had nothing to say about the game but wanted to comment on the gamestate. One of those oh ***** posts that scum make to break imaginary tension to see if night actions somehow revealed them. Did that make sense? God I hope so.
I feel like I should say go home you're drunk but I'm actually liking you here. Hm.
wait whut I'm gonna look at whoever said they were glad tom died closer I think like it might be alignment indicative in some way. It struck me just now players who had nothing to say about the game but wanted to comment on the gamestate. One of those oh ***** posts that scum make to break imaginary tension to see if night actions somehow revealed them. Did that make sense? God I hope so.
Game full of PRs/unknowns: He knows the mafia didn't actually try to kill me.
You're hilarious dude. You're alive, and Tom is dead. So YEAH, I know the mafia didn't kill you. DEEEEEERP. Unless you ACTUALLY are proposing:
1) Somebody else killed Tom
2) Mafia Roleblocked you and also tried to kill you in the same night. Because that is how big a threat you are.
Did Tom eat a Vig Shot(why Tom then? Why not a lurker? Why not INNN or Shockwave?) SK (seems unlikely with two claimed neutrals), or something else entirely??
Did I say, or imply, that I thought otherwise? Very interesting response though.
You throwin a lot of shade, boy. And I am still not super happy about you disappearing while we were narrowing down our wagon choices. Your saving grace right now is that I have bigger fish to fry.
Also, shock figured out my connection to MU, that SOB. And mtgs rules about spam are maj0or dog *****.
Meh, define "shade". When I say something like "Oh, GJ didn't get killed like he certainly thought he would" and you follow up with "It's because I asked for protective roles to target me". That argument doesn't prove you're town, and that is all I was pointing out. That the state of the game could be reached more than one way, and the second way was: "you're on the scumteam". That really shouldn't be that surprising.
I don't think you're scum. I don't think you're particularly great at catching scum. If I'm your biggest suspect, right or wrong, mafia are laughing at you, and you probably aren't the night kill again because your reads are so far off.
As far as me "disappearing", I do that as town and scum Honestly, I'm just happy I made it to day 2, usually I get mislynched/nightkilled D1/N1.
But if you can convince the town that I'm the best they can do, go for it. I'm just vanilla and my trigger sucks, so no PRs lost and you can narrow the field a bit more.
UGH I feel like I can't even focus on the game when it feels like ghosting is being allowed to run the show. Like, it's beyond weird that someone who claimed neutral is giving this pretense that finding scum and lynching them is in his best interest. It feels totally disingenuous. In that vein, I actually don't have any bona fide scum reads. I have some really strong town reads, but something just feels really off.
I'm going to do a re-read tonight to look at yesterDay's wagons and interactions with Cythare and tom, but gut tells me there's at least two scum in {INANN, mindreaver, shockwave}.
UGH I feel like I can't even focus on the game when it feels like ghosting is being allowed to run the show. Like, it's beyond weird that someone who claimed neutral is giving this pretense that finding scum and lynching them is in his best interest. It feels totally disingenuous. In that vein, I actually don't have any bona fide scum reads. I have some really strong town reads, but something just feels really off.
Proph is doing the exact same thing. Why are you so focused on just Ghosting when his ability has been verified by Vaimes?
In that vein, @DV - Did you confirm that Proph Vanilla'd all over you? I might have missed it.
But I never said you actually are the roleblocker...?
Also, the point on Tom not only is WIFOM but a contradiction. You were the one that said NK'ing you would make sense because you were one of the most active players (the most active as of N1), which denotes your logic regarding NKs. Tom was the second most active player tied with Ghosting, a neutral. So really, come and tell me that you shooting Tom doesn't make sense if, by your own words, it does.
If I am deep wolfing, I am going to shoot the most active town player. So from that perspective, tom would have been the most active town players.
Also, let's not play coy. In a situation where I am scum, I am pretty much running the team as the strongest scum player in this game.
Pray tell, how can you boldly affirm that he doesn't know what you targeted him with?
The ability failed, and AGAIN, unless you think he is some weird self-watching ascetic (ignore Twinborn), it is safe to say he doesn't know what he was hit with. Hell, even if he was a watcher that targeted himself, he would just see that I targeted him. What's the point you are trying to make here?
To a townie roleblocker scumreading you, that wouldn't matter at all and you would be blocked regardless, so your point is moot.
Your the ******* town roleblocker aren't you? That's the only reason I could see you shoving this point so hard aren't you?
You're hilarious dude. You're alive, and Tom is dead. So YEAH, I know the mafia didn't kill you. DEEEEEERP. Unless you ACTUALLY are proposing:
1) Somebody else killed Tom
2) Mafia Roleblocked you and also tried to kill you in the same night. Because that is how big a threat you are.
Did Tom eat a Vig Shot(why Tom then? Why not a lurker? Why not INNN or Shockwave?) SK (seems unlikely with two claimed neutrals), or something else entirely??
have some coffee and think that over.
You don't know whether he was redirected, roleblocked, if there is a vig/sk around, tough guy shot, or any number of things that could have meant I was targeted but protected somehow. Maybe the scum gambled a full doctor ability was a latent ability. You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
I don't think you're scum. I don't think you're particularly great at catching scum. If I'm your biggest suspect, right or wrong, mafia are laughing at you, and you probably aren't the night kill again because your reads are so far off.
As far as me "disappearing", I do that as town and scum Smile Honestly, I'm just happy I made it to day 2, usually I get mislynched/nightkilled D1/N1.
But if you can convince the town that I'm the best they can do, go for it. I'm just vanilla and my trigger sucks, so no PRs lost and you can narrow the field a bit more.
Are you joking? This was a panic claim. I am the only one digging at you right now, nobody thinks I am infallible, and no one else threw a vote at you? If you were really trying to prove to me you are town, I told you exactly how, all you had to do was read my comments to KoKo.
Since you are used to being put under the scope, you had to know that currently, I don't enough support to do anything, but keep digging yourself a deeper grave.
1 Iso down: Jackarito is likely town. He is trying to solve the game, asking good questions and following through. HIs tone came off as genuine, and the only issue I remember having with his posts was his response to my list:
This read list seems strange and comes off as selective reading since not sure how you don't know why people are voting Zomgarcwind and I'm only known for been voted. This read list could easily of been formed from just the first two pages of the game. Not saying you are not up to date but it just appears strange to me. I will agree though some people lack a presense in the game so far.
I wouldn't say it was so much scummy, but weird. Your list is strange, but I agree with core point that a lot of people are lacking presence.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
So far GJ is the only one pushing you, and he's been doing this to people all game. Note that he can't just unilaterally lynch you, I wouldn't let it bother you that much. I'm pretty sure that everyone will come under his crosshairs at some point.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
House of ******* cards? You have received infinite more pressure before as town and never visibly cracked. What the **** is going on with you now?
And no, I don't expect even a newbie scum to go "I knew you didn't get targeted last night." But you are sure I wasn't targeted. Because for all you know, a kill was aimed at me.
My attitude is that you slipped, I put a single vote, no one else said anything, and you threw the ******* boardgame on the ground. You have been doing nothing analysis wise, only playing reactive. The Law of Absolutes: I am obviously not 100% sure of what I caught, but added to your coasting/disappearing yesterday (which I obviously wasn't putting high on my list of reasons to scum read you as I came in on Ghosting/Shock).
From your "town perspective" I am either wrong or scum. You know how you fix that? Case someone, analyze posts, not throwing a pissy fit at me. If I am scum and your cases did nothing to me, I guarantee the other townies won't see it that way and you catch me. If I am town, I realize I am wrong on you, or think I am still right but will pursue other people. MAke no mistake, you are not the only one I feel like is coasting through the game right now. You're just the one I think I have caught, and flailing harder than a magikarp isn't going to change that.
You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
Straight up, I didn't say this. I said your ego was a casualty because Tom is on the ground instead of you. The rest of all this is all you dude. House of ******* cards. I'm ******* done with you. If you think that's just scum caving, lynch me, and at least I won't have to deal with your attitude.
So far GJ is the only one pushing you, and he's been doing this to people all game. Note that he can't just unilaterally lynch you, I wouldn't let it bother you that much. I'm pretty sure that everyone will come under his crosshairs at some point.
What do you make of his reaction? And as much as I dislike prodding one of the few people who posted good content on this page, what are you planing to do today? I see a list, parts I like parts I dislike, but I don't really see a drive coming from you.
Which part was a lie? He said his normal ability was to unlock people's second abilities, and he openly claimed that he had a form of protection if he was targeted? Did you think that was a bluff, because if so, you can't be mad at him for lying, because he didn't.
Unvote
Vote: ghosting
There was an explicit agreement yesterDay that he would reveal his win condition in exchange for backing off his lynch. Continuing to hide it from us only leads me to believe it could conflict with ours. And now I wouldn't even believe what he did tell us to be his win condition.
lynch it
As you already know, this post breaks game-specific rule #5 (No cryptoclaiming).
We have discussed this matter with Togs and have decided against modkilling zomg.
However, no more of rule infringements will be tolerated.
We will get back this rule infringement post-game, however.
It's still Day 2. With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
@Kosa and maybe @GJ too - Forced interaction? I just got a little tired of hearing how wonderful and amazing GJ is yesterday. I mean how many posts were about how great a scumcatcher he is. And yes, GJ, it's possible you weren't killed because you asked for protection. It's also possible you're on the scumteam. That argument is WIFOM either way, and not the "good for town" kind.
I'm really glad Tom got sorted, he is hard to read, and I want to go re-read him, especially his D_V (also hard for me to read) and Silver (I'm just tunneling ) interactions.
Here are the relevant posts:
Can we please focus on real discussion (namely finding real scum) and let go of this petty spat? Seriously If you guys stopped forcing Ghosting's every reply to be fending off attacks, we might actually get something done!
He's proven his role, he's not harmful to town, drop it.
@Scarbo: So are you willing to post who you think the scum team is, or do you not have any other reads? I'd like you to tell me why you think they're scum, and also why you think they're buddies.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Vote: D_V
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
One more game with a mod kill in as short of time would likely start to drive me batty.
That said, I do have to get to Ghosting's question... And note I placed the wrong player's name in a post above (D_V instead of Ghosting... Or did I really mean it the other way? Can't keep things straight.
Right now the only two votes on me are from a claimed Neutral and someone that came under heat yesterday.
Proph's vote, I truthfully have no trouble with. Being a claimed neutral doesn't mean you can't scum hunt. It carries it's own risks, but that's another matter. A skim over yesterday's posts, especially in the latter part of the Day feel like this is genuine hunting, not faked. Points on Scarbo, the talk of Huntzilla the double voter and the possibility of losing it weakening the chance of him being town, even looking at myself (as I've gone after people I've thought were scum for excessive mechanics talk like Ghosting in Mafia for 5). Nothing about this feels faked to me.
If one of the votes is to come into question, I'd say it was Kosa's. Low post count, defensive at my lack of confidence in him from yesterday, and pinging a lot of radars, he deserves a closer look.
That said, the only thing that makes me question this is how quick Scarbo was to jump on him for the vote. Felt oppertunistic, and need to see if the two are possibly comnected.
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I'm so pissed off about this ghosting situation.
If ghosting is town, or "Pro-town" when this game ends I'm perma daykilling him in every game I have a day kill.
I need to go look at that CFD and see whats up with that wagon.
Your big wagon thing was basically what I said but with more words lol.
Though I think you missed some voting context in it, like: NewName didn't vote Cyth until a few others (tom, GJ, zomg) expressed interest in lynching him. Could definitely have been scum getting in on a wagon early.
@GJ:
Why did you vote Ghosting?
Do you not believe his claim?
Does anyone who doesn't believe Ghosting think Vaimes is his buddy or something?
Or is he scum that unlocks abilities?
Cause the second thing doesn't really make sense to me from a set-up PoV.
Don't think I want to lynch zomg.
Risking a mod kill for town points as scum is a terrible play.
And I doubt he would have taken it upon himself to do it without consulting his team.
I basically just want Shock dead at the moment, so:
vote: Shockwave
Town
Shadowlancerx
Huntzilla
Zomgarcwind
Gentleman Johnny
Town lean but lower confidence
Vaimes
Mindreaver
Silvercry
Null/mixed
Jackrito
Kosakosa
D_V
Scum lean
Shockwave
Scarbo
INeedANewName
Neutrals:
Ghosting
Prophylaxis
I'm doing most of this from memory, so please engage me if you think I've made a crappy read, or skated over important details.
My town reads, these are the people that either behaviorally or mechanically would surprise me if they flipped scum.
Huntzilla being a double voter and all that makes bums pretty likely town.
Zomgarcwind and Gentleman Johnny read pretty strong town, and Zom's early day freak out at being possibly investigated as scum when he's not reads very organically to me.
Town lean, these people I would find their flip of scum as more believable, but not overly so.
Vaimes has not really hit my radar negatively and has seemed fairly town so far.
Mindreaver and Silvercry solid town lean so far, logical posts, seem town oriented.
Null/mixed are people that could go either way, but either their play or mechanics of the game make me leery.
Jackrito and Kosa have both said some decent things, but not nearly as strong as those above.
DV...ugh. Tom flipping town makes DV look scummier to me, but Tom also really believed in him being town. I think his ghosting push was anger fueled, and thus more believable than Scarbo's
Scum leans are those I would like to actively seek a lynch on.
Shockwave was lurky and mechanic oriented, but his most recent post I like. He is most likely to move up of the three here.
Scarbo has been fairly manipulative with his posts, and I'm not a fan of his dismissive attitude about several things.
INANN is still the scummiest player I've seen, and I don't care for his interactions with other players, regardless of alignment. Just really not good town play at all.
Neutrals...
Ghosting is mathematically more town helpful than scum helpful, and is trying to actively scum hunt today. I will not vote to lynch him.
Proph is not as good for town, but his desire to be town helpful feels genuine. I am not a fan of his hammer of a player he believed to be town, but until he shows willingness to continue anti town behavior I'm not interested in lynching him.
Did you say earlier in the thread what your main ability was? You got roll blocked, so I'm curious as to what was blocked and asking is easier than sifting through posts at this moment.
I said nothing about my role, although I admitted that my latent ability would be triggered if I was target by a mafia ability and didn't die. I actually lied about that. My ability just has to fail to hit its original target, either by being redirected, blocked, or failing. That happened, and it has to be a roleblock.
1). He still isn't revealing his WC, and I don't buy the bull***** of "it's for the town's own good." It's the same reason Trump won't release his tax *****: he knows it will look bad.
2). I'm town. Ghosting/Reaver can get over that.
3). Before AA, I would have thought that no, mafia would never be bold enough to give their member something beneficial. I was clearly wrong. I am holding my breathe that Vaimes got a guilty result or something.
4). ZOMG is pretty much lock town.
5). Unvote Ghosting, Vote Shockwave. There is exactly two ways I back off, but for now, I think he slipped with the whole "you don't know it was a roleblock comment" Unless someone is going to argue two Ascetic type abilities.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
1) "I want to delegitimize votes on me but there's only two, one of which is from the claimed neutral that's being the most protown player around. So I guess I gotta do the other one."
2) I have the same post count as you. The. Same. 25 (well, 26 as of this post). As if that didn't invalidate this point completely, there's also another thing: people should freaking stop using post counts as the meanings of anything, because players can have low posts counts and still lay out their opinions thoroughly. Despite my low post count, my views on lots of players and the gamestate are well-documented. Unlike you, btw, who's constantly going through game mechanics instead of player analysis.
3) Uhh what?
4) "I'll use the views people had on him a week ago and ignore everything else that's happening on the game to justify my stance."
5) If you really think so then do it, instead of subtly leaving the suggestion there in hopes someone else picks it up and does the job for you. I'll be glad to tear right through it.
Do you remember that?
Soon.
Also back off Ghosting a little bit. He's chill.
Vaimes
Hunt
Kosa
Silver
zomg
GJ
scarbo
+1
Ghosting
Proph
Hunt is a Double Voter and I am satisfied he isn't doing his "don't look at me I'm scum" empty content lurking. Kosa is town, upon reread; will elaborate eventually, but not a priority right now. Silver is just...bleeding town. zomg is newbtown and I highly doubt he'd try and code a fakeclaim like that as scum without being told in scumchat that that's a very very bad idea. GJ looked very much like an early game scapegoat wagon. I think scarbo's super narrow Neutral focus is more doesn't-give-a-***** town than mafia, 'cause like. Tunneling a claimed Neutral is straight from page two of How To Get Yourself Lynched As Scum 101, and I know he isn't new. Ghosting and Proph are just Not Mafia. I don't have it in my heart to lynch Proph on any given day because he's a swell guy. Ghosting unlocked my ability, so he's pretty cool.
I will now be accepting applications into the towncircle. There's room for one more.
Vote NewName
This still needs death.
1). It literally doesn't effect the town, so zero harm.
2). I wanted to see if I could draw a roleblock.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yeah, he did the same thing mindreaver did: disappear when momentum shifted off him.
Mindreaver/Newname/Shock/KK*
@KK: You mentioned that you could prove your ability. No one else other than me claimed RB. Can you confirm your ability (if asked to)?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You throwin a lot of shade, boy. And I am still not super happy about you disappearing while we were narrowing down our wagon choices. Your saving grace right now is that I have bigger fish to fry.
Also, shock figured out my connection to MU, that SOB. And mtgs rules about spam are maj0or dog *****.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Chip this away bro, chip it away.
You're not quite there yet. Your claim is boggling my mind right now.
That's my problem with it. You wanted to see if you could draw a roleblock by claiming to have your latent unlocked if you were targeted by non-killing abilities?
"Oh that GJ guy claimed that he'd unlock his latent if he's targeted by a non-killing ability."
"Hmmm he must be gambitting cus he's got a really good Night action. So lets bite it and roleblock him regardless."
Like.
And it actually does affect the town. Because you're considering that only scum could roleblock you, when in fact it's pretty common for town to have any kind of redirects/roleblocks in Specialties, which, if you're town, would never be better used on you as it would be on scum.
Yes.
I'm ******* there. Mindreaver wolf because he is salty he can't lynch my fine ass
Well it ******* worked unless Shockwave wants to claim ascetic. And since ghosting is claiming redirect, along with DV, that's pretty ******* unlikely.
If a townie was stupid enough to roleblock me, I don't actually care and we probably lose the game.
Yes.[/quote]]
Good. Now start being townie so it doesn't come to that.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ghosting, stop with the *****ty OMGUS. It wasn't flattering when you did it in AA, it isn't now. Don't take it as me being a jackass because townies do it all the time, but if you legit think I could be scum and you want to continue this charade of being town, act the part.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Or you're lying about the roleblock to have your Night action "accounted" for. Both of us can play the WIFOM game, my friend.
And, of note, Shock didn't even blink an eye when you said you had targeted him. Virtually no mention of or curiosity upon it, which I find highly unlikely behavior for a townie to engage on. It makes me believe that he already knew he was targeted by you so it didn't come off as a surprise, which means either:
1) he has some kind of knowledge regarding who targets him, or;
2) you're scumbuddies that discussed that fakeclaim in the Mafia Chat.
Lolwut? What exactly makes you think town roleblocking you, from the standpoint of said townie, would be a stupid idea?
So, in a role full of town PRs, I decided to either hold the roleblock, or not use it when I could have generated a ***** ton of WIFOM with Ghosting/DV instead? o-0?
There is no WIFOM. I was roleblocked, my latent ability is locked. Just to add more to it though, I don't shoot tom in any circumstance when I am scum.
Well, he doesn't know what I targeted him with. I imagine regardless of his alignment, he was a likely target to be shot, tracked, copped, frisked, whatever *target scummy player* ability you want to insert. I wouldn't expect him to bat an eye.
From the no-lynch, to the protect me, to the the latent ability, I was breadcrumbing pretty hard I had a relevant ability. It would have been very stupid for a townie to roleblock me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If you're scum, keep doing what your doing
The GJ way path to no lynching:
**** my dick off.
I was litterally about to put my head on the pillow and then realized Mindreaver TMI'd
(too much information for those not MU savy)
Unvote Shockwave, Vote Mindreaver
Game full of PRs/unknowns: He knows the mafia didn't actually try to kill me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But I never said you actually are the roleblocker...?
Also, the point on Tom not only is WIFOM but a contradiction. You were the one that said NK'ing you would make sense because you were one of the most active players (the most active as of N1), which denotes your logic regarding NKs. Tom was the second most active player tied with Ghosting, a neutral. So really, come and tell me that you shooting Tom doesn't make sense if, by your own words, it does.
Pray tell, how can you boldly affirm that he doesn't know what you targeted him with?
To a townie roleblocker scumreading you, that wouldn't matter at all and you would be blocked regardless, so your point is moot.
Game might be legit unwinnable already. woe is me. players are complaining about me even though I haven't said anything that harsh. I have no vested interest here. Maybe take what I say at face value. it's not my intent to insult your play or hurt your fragile ego. I say what I see. DV legit said nothing early game it was terrible play. like what else am I gonna say? I thought he was mafia for it. I said so in my very initial posts of the game. Just goes to show dv wasn't actually paying attention to me or what I wrote. only becoming professionally offended much later. It felt a bit fake such a late reaction to it.
as far as kosa and gj goes kosa makes way to many assumptions for me to consider anything off of it. Maybe kosa is a prophet or even worse a conspiracy theorist those are usually scum.
weird that none of the third parties died. modified mexican standoff? usually in games I play either town kills the 3rd parties immediately or scum does. well we chose not to kill them so I guess one of them already won?
I feel like I should say go home you're drunk but I'm actually liking you here. Hm.
Decisions, decisions.
This is the best post I've ever seen from INNAN
1) Somebody else killed Tom
2) Mafia Roleblocked you and also tried to kill you in the same night. Because that is how big a threat you are.
Did Tom eat a Vig Shot(why Tom then? Why not a lurker? Why not INNN or Shockwave?) SK (seems unlikely with two claimed neutrals), or something else entirely??
have some coffee and think that over.
I don't think you're scum. I don't think you're particularly great at catching scum. If I'm your biggest suspect, right or wrong, mafia are laughing at you, and you probably aren't the night kill again because your reads are so far off.
As far as me "disappearing", I do that as town and scum Honestly, I'm just happy I made it to day 2, usually I get mislynched/nightkilled D1/N1.
But if you can convince the town that I'm the best they can do, go for it. I'm just vanilla and my trigger sucks, so no PRs lost and you can narrow the field a bit more.
I'm going to do a re-read tonight to look at yesterDay's wagons and interactions with Cythare and tom, but gut tells me there's at least two scum in {INANN, mindreaver, shockwave}.
and so
Unvote
Vote: shockwave
In that vein, @DV - Did you confirm that Proph Vanilla'd all over you? I might have missed it.
because
proph
told
us
his
win
con
If I am deep wolfing, I am going to shoot the most active town player. So from that perspective, tom would have been the most active town players.
Also, let's not play coy. In a situation where I am scum, I am pretty much running the team as the strongest scum player in this game.
The ability failed, and AGAIN, unless you think he is some weird self-watching ascetic (ignore Twinborn), it is safe to say he doesn't know what he was hit with. Hell, even if he was a watcher that targeted himself, he would just see that I targeted him. What's the point you are trying to make here?
Your the ******* town roleblocker aren't you? That's the only reason I could see you shoving this point so hard aren't you?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You don't know whether he was redirected, roleblocked, if there is a vig/sk around, tough guy shot, or any number of things that could have meant I was targeted but protected somehow. Maybe the scum gambled a full doctor ability was a latent ability. You didn't consider all that you just knew I wasn't targeted.
I don't think you're scum. I don't think you're particularly great at catching scum. If I'm your biggest suspect, right or wrong, mafia are laughing at you, and you probably aren't the night kill again because your reads are so far off.
Are you joking? This was a panic claim. I am the only one digging at you right now, nobody thinks I am infallible, and no one else threw a vote at you? If you were really trying to prove to me you are town, I told you exactly how, all you had to do was read my comments to KoKo.
Since you are used to being put under the scope, you had to know that currently, I don't enough support to do anything, but keep digging yourself a deeper grave.
Is anyone else seeing this?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I wouldn't say it was so much scummy, but weird. Your list is strange, but I agree with core point that a lot of people are lacking presence.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So far GJ is the only one pushing you, and he's been doing this to people all game. Note that he can't just unilaterally lynch you, I wouldn't let it bother you that much. I'm pretty sure that everyone will come under his crosshairs at some point.
House of ******* cards? You have received infinite more pressure before as town and never visibly cracked. What the **** is going on with you now?
And no, I don't expect even a newbie scum to go "I knew you didn't get targeted last night." But you are sure I wasn't targeted. Because for all you know, a kill was aimed at me.
My attitude is that you slipped, I put a single vote, no one else said anything, and you threw the ******* boardgame on the ground. You have been doing nothing analysis wise, only playing reactive. The Law of Absolutes: I am obviously not 100% sure of what I caught, but added to your coasting/disappearing yesterday (which I obviously wasn't putting high on my list of reasons to scum read you as I came in on Ghosting/Shock).
From your "town perspective" I am either wrong or scum. You know how you fix that? Case someone, analyze posts, not throwing a pissy fit at me. If I am scum and your cases did nothing to me, I guarantee the other townies won't see it that way and you catch me. If I am town, I realize I am wrong on you, or think I am still right but will pursue other people. MAke no mistake, you are not the only one I feel like is coasting through the game right now. You're just the one I think I have caught, and flailing harder than a magikarp isn't going to change that.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What do you make of his reaction? And as much as I dislike prodding one of the few people who posted good content on this page, what are you planing to do today? I see a list, parts I like parts I dislike, but I don't really see a drive coming from you.
The GJ way path to no lynching: