i cant really explain why, silver.
between stmu, the crossover game, goldeneye, and turbos i think i have a decent grasp of you as a player. and i keep coming back to that kosa pbpa and... youre better than that.
like, i read that thing and if the conclusion was "vote kosa" id have not even blinked.
how did you come to the conclusion he is so town youd rather no lynch?
Time hasn't gone long enough to see if he was coasting, no interaction to view. I personally think he is a worse lynch than Kosa. Depending on how Kosa responds next, I would rather just lynch Ghosting then Ineedaname. If we are just going to lynch someone who isn't posting, I'd rather go after shockwave, but NewName looks like he will be more interactive.
I really want to keep ghosting around to activate our abilities, or at least see what happens there.
As far as new name being active, I can't deny that being true, but I just get red alarm bells in my head the more I go through his posts. Yes, he's been on the defense, but something in the tone of his posts gives me the creeps. And I really scrutinize anything that could be taken as a heavy gambit (his sarcastic scum confession post).
Tell me about these alarm bells that go through your head. I'm very curious what they are.
vaimes voted my slot
silver voted me because shrug
dv voted me for the omgus
huntz voted me because hey pikachu
and you vote me for the creeps.
You were previously voting tom iirc i'll go back and look at why. But you are the only one calling my slot scum besides dv.
hint: Disliking someones playstyle does not make them scum no matter how much you will it.
It's a confbias read on the "sarcastic scum confession post". You are reading me as scum so you interpret it as a scum post. In actuallity it isn't alignment indicative.
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i cant really explain why, silver.
between stmu, the crossover game, goldeneye, and turbos i think i have a decent grasp of you as a player. and i keep coming back to that kosa pbpa and... youre better than that.
like, i read that thing and if the conclusion was "vote kosa" id have not even blinked.
how did you come to the conclusion he is so town youd rather no lynch?
Kosa: His posting style got him run up on D1 of StarTrek. It would have gotten him lynched except for the fact that someone literally hard claimed scum and he claimed in an odd way at start of D2 (in StarTrek). But (I) read him correctly and I think he's town again. I can't really explain it, but the way he posts... it's essentially what tom was saying about "conviction" from D_V. If he's scum, lolme, but yeah. His reads are questionable, but I believe that he believes in them. They don't seem made up or "fake" to me.
I don't know what else to tell you. I think he's town.
Cause it makes you look town. Take that WIFOM right back
Honestly Silver, I think my suspicion is the very high bar you've set for yourself (if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about go find where he replaced in for goldeneye, it's night and day). I'm jut not "dazzled". It's probably not fair, but it's the feeling I get reading you.
But do I want you dead over inactives (that's right kettle, you're black!)? No
Do I think we get a whole lot of interaction to look at with your flip? Probably not more than DV or Kosa
Cause it makes you look town. Take that WIFOM right back
Honestly Silver, I think my suspicion is the very high bar you've set for yourself (if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about go find where he replaced in for goldeneye, it's night and day). I'm jut not "dazzled". It's probably not fair, but it's the feeling I get reading you.
But do I want you dead over inactives (that's right kettle, you're black!)? No
Do I think we get a whole lot of interaction to look at with your flip? Probably not more than DV or Kosa
I mean. Go back and look at my replace in for GoldenEye yourself, I guess? I didn't think it was that stellar. Especially before you sniped Kraj. And my D1 in StarTrek wasn't very good either. I don't know why you guys think it was so good lol. I did a trashy PBPA on Bloscovi and Ghosting and not much else.
My game straight up sucks, especially before flips, and I don't know why you guys keep saying it's good. Here, I'll dig up links for the rest of the thread:
silver, you were absolutely stellar in goldeneye. i knew you were town very quickly.
To be honest, I don't know how you don't know I'm town now. D_V can tell apparently.
Maybe I've been playing too many turbos and the MU meta rubbed off on me or something.
@NewName: I think you're scummier than D_V or Kosa, and they aren't my strongest town reads ever. I wouldn't say I have a hard scum read on you though. Basically I have a pile of nulls and three days to sort through them now. I'll try to make time for more isos tonight or tomorrow. Starting with yours.
silver, you were absolutely stellar in goldeneye. i knew you were town very quickly.
To be honest, I don't know how you don't know I'm town now. D_V can tell apparently.
Maybe I've been playing too many turbos and the MU meta rubbed off on me or something.
@NewName: I think you're scummier than D_V or Kosa, and they aren't my strongest town reads ever. I wouldn't say I have a hard scum read on you though. Basically I have a pile of nulls and three days to sort through them now. I'll try to make time for more isos tonight or tomorrow. Starting with yours.
almost 800 posts and your saying you're wish washy on me and dv and kosa? hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe it's me. Maybe I approached this game incorrectly.
Do you think my vote on DV is fair?
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I'm wishy washy on everyone. It's day 1. It's a thing I do. I don't generate strong reads without flips. Doesn't make much sense to me to lock people in as town or scum without being able to see their positions on wagons and the way they treated people who have confirmed alignments.
But I might just be weird and/or not experienced enough. Those three games I linked a bit ago are the only long games of Mafia I've ever played, and the other games I've played had 18 minute days with 6 minute nights (turbos). I've played maybe a dozen of those and randed scum in about half, which got me quicklynched.
Regarding your D_V vote, from my understanding it's sort of popular to run him up for his playstyle. So from the point of view of someone who hasn't played with him before the vote is reasonable. Did you read his linked town games though?
I stopped reading. since the deadline was looming. didn't want to waste my time since it looked grim.
I think we should lynch before the 10th. coming to a compromise at the final hour is poor gameplay. in order to maximize vca it's best to come to terms with a lych before then.
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I think we should lynch before the 10th. coming to a compromise at the final hour is poor gameplay. in order to maximize vca it's best to come to terms with a lych before then.
Yeah, that's what Kosa was saying yesterday. I agree CFD isn't great for town, but it's kind of hard to stop it when people wait until the eleventh hour to post.
seriously you guys, let's end the Day with no lynch, activate the corresponding abilities, start toMorrow with fresh information provided by night actions (including confirming ghosting), and demand toDay's lurkers be more active. I fail to see ANY drawback to this plan.
seriously you guys, let's end the Day with no lynch, activate the corresponding abilities, start toMorrow with fresh information provided by night actions (including confirming ghosting), and demand toDay's lurkers be more active. I fail to see ANY drawback to this plan.
Assuming there are 4 scum, which should be standard for a 17 man, it's strictly worse than mislynching because we don't remove someone from the PoE pool.
If it's 13 vs 4 scum, and we no-lynch, it becomes 12 vs 4 scum. Which reduces, eventually, to a final four where we no-lynch again unless there's a vig. We're passing the scum team a free kill by no lynching.
Which is why I don't want to no-lynch, because we're essentially passing the scum team free kills on the strongest/towniest players in the game.
I guess it's also possible there's five scum and we're supposed to no-lynch at least once. But that seems a little too difficult for town with the vanillaizer in the game too.
Like. I could be persuaded to it. But I'm opposed.
Mindreaver, some of the experiences I have with people are so negligible, I treat them as new players (since I rarely metadive). Just because I've played with a person doesn't mean I pay attention to how they play, or remember.
I'm not normally an argumentative person. If you want to be my TS this game, I'll rumble with you.
@vaimes I pocketed silver in the cfc/mtgs crossover game and was his turbo sense
He is right that he's not great without flips, but I think he's over emphasizing his newness/incompetence
seriously you guys, let's end the Day with no lynch, activate the corresponding abilities, start toMorrow with fresh information provided by night actions (including confirming ghosting), and demand toDay's lurkers be more active. I fail to see ANY drawback to this plan.
there wouldn't be any vca so making assocations would be moot. taking the pressure off the choice makes us less likely to think critically. not wanting to think as hard scarbo?
Just because we have pr's doesn't mean we rely on them. A "balanced" game which I am assuming it is. Suggests that the pr's are only meant to add flavor to the game. Trying to break the game with roles is not suggested as it is high variance. better to go with the tried and true and reliable method of scumhunting?
Letting scum control the flow of concrete information and the kill is bleh.
I assume you know all this though. Why do you keep going for a no lynch?
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@vaimes I pocketed silver in the cfc/mtgs crossover game and was his turbo sense
He is right that he's not great without flips, but I think he's over emphasizing his newness/incompetence
My reads are pretty universally terribad. Only scum I've caught was D_V practically open wolfing at the end of STMU4 by breaking the town circle and I couldn't get him lynched instead of you because the whole thread was against it. Well, I was pretty sure Chox was scum in the crossover but I couldn't articulate the argument and no one else wanted to lynch him besides Proph.
I'm not trying to hide behind my "inexperience" or anything. I just don't think I'm nearly as good as you guys seem to think I am and I have no clue why you're so impressed with my performance. Like. You're always talking me up and I know I can't deliver. I'm just over here doing my thing like I've been doing and I'm going to keep doing it and hopefully you see me (or, you know, you're scum and we catch you).
On an actually-related-to-things-in-the-game note, though it is the best wagon we've had all day: unvote
vote: Shockwave07
I kind of think NewName is town after iso. I don't really think it's Cyth just because we mindmelded so hard at start of day. But I am prepared to be wrong and low-content wagons are better than no lynching.
joined the proph rvs wagon - 3 posts
gj for the no lynch - 1 post
dv for the drunken lulz - 1 post
zomg for a super bad reason - 7 posts
gj again for i dont even know - 12 posts
dv for being dv - 1 post
i dont like the reasons for his votes, but more than that i dont like how static he stayed.
im just imagining me with that PR and how many times my vote would move. its only 7 and 12 post chunks, but hes just not staying nimble and talking about whatever strikes his fancy.
reeks of having decided what to talk about.
@vaimes I pocketed silver in the cfc/mtgs crossover game and was his turbo sense
He is right that he's not great without flips, but I think he's over emphasizing his newness/incompetence
My reads are pretty universally terribad. Only scum I've caught was D_V practically open wolfing at the end of STMU4 by breaking the town circle and I couldn't get him lynched instead of you because the whole thread was against it. Well, I was pretty sure Chox was scum in the crossover but I couldn't articulate the argument and no one else wanted to lynch him besides Proph.
I'm not trying to hide behind my "inexperience" or anything. I just don't think I'm nearly as good as you guys seem to think I am and I have no clue why you're so impressed with my performance. Like. You're always talking me up and I know I can't deliver. I'm just over here doing my thing like I've been doing and I'm going to keep doing it and hopefully you see me (or, you know, you're scum and we catch you).
On an actually-related-to-things-in-the-game note, though it is the best wagon we've had all day: unvote
vote: Shockwave07
I kind of think NewName is town after iso. I don't really think it's Cyth just because we mindmelded so hard at start of day. But I am prepared to be wrong and low-content wagons are better than no lynching.
what about my iso made you think I was town?
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silver my point is dont talk about what you cant do.
just do what you can.
thats when youre townie. nose to the grindstone making logical conclusions.
i dont care if youre insightful, groundbreaking, or right.
i care that youre doing things and i can see your logic.
like, look back at your kosa pbpa and tell me if you think you showed all the steps that brought you to town kosa.
because i dont see them.
IF THERS TWO THINGS I LOVE, ITS FIGHTEN AN' FIGHTEN ROUNSD THE RWOLD
MAKING MOVIES, MAKING MUSC AND GITHEN ROUGHT THE WORLD
...RUSSEL CROWE
Silver, take the bloody vote off before I beat you. The only reason to lynch shock today is because **** the guy with the lowest post count (I am just guessing he is it of the avctive players) His wagon tells us nothing, save him for a more rainy day. If he isn't active tomorrow, I'll PILEDRIVE HIS ASS INTO THE GROUND,
silver my point is dont talk about what you cant do.
just do what you can.
thats when youre townie. nose to the grindstone making logical conclusions.
i dont care if youre insightful, groundbreaking, or right.
i care that youre doing things and i can see your logic.
like, look back at your kosa pbpa and tell me if you think you showed all the steps that brought you to town kosa.
because i dont see them.
First of all, I wasn't talking about stuff I can't do until pretty recently. Because NewName thought it was weird that my reads were wishy-washy so I felt obligated to explain and it sort of spiraled into this whole thing. But yeah, I'm just gonna do what I do. If that's not townie enough for you vote me.
Secondly, there aren't any steps in my Kosa read. It's a combination of 1) he's been run up for playstyle before and 2) I believe he believes his reads. Like, can he be scum? Sure. Anything is fakeable. Is he more likely than you? or Scarbo, even? or not-posting Shockwave? Nope. Not from where I'm standing.
There's no logical process to display. He just seems like town. You want to talk logic, get me a scum flip. We can talk logic all we want with a scum body dead on the ground.
But this is like the third time I've said this so I'm just gonna stop before I spontaneously morph into a broken record or something. Also, if you think my Kosa read is bad, why haven't you questioned my tone read on Vaimes? And you're really gonna love this next thing.
@NewName:
Stuff like...
"taking the pressure off the choice makes us less likely to think critically."
"almost 800 posts and your saying you're wish washy on me and dv and kosa? hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe it's me. Maybe I approached this game incorrectly."
"Why didn't you just ask? this was incredibly fruitless. or maybe not. instead of thinking about player 1 think about player 2. I'm new and nervous and shy (not really). I did come in at around page 10 so my presence is not as noticeable and haven't had the rapport of starting from page 1. and I'm willing to bet some of the player list has only interacted with 4 people only :/."
You sound pure to me. Like, you could be faking it I guess. I don't know your scum range. But these sound more like player-in-a-new-meta than scum-in-a-new-meta-dodging-the-lynch or whatever.
@GJ:
I mean. I don't think it's Cyth. Not comfortable lynching there. Do you have a better counterwagon in mind? I'd rather lynch him now if he's not going to play, and I'd definitely rather lynch him than no lynch.
silver, be more bloodthirsty.
youre looking for reasons NOT to lynch someone. look for reasons TO lynch someone.
thats what we need right now.
it doesnt match with your stated opposition to no lynching.
if youre scum, its good to know thats a thing yall care about.
if youre town, lets kill someone. itll be fun.
silver, be more bloodthirsty.
youre looking for reasons NOT to lynch someone. look for reasons TO lynch someone.
thats what we need right now.
I don't think we need another player confbiasing. The goal is to lynch scum not just lynch anyone. I think the scummiest player in the game right now is you. But I'm biased against you so I can't really trust my read. It's full of omgus and not analysis. That's why I'm not pushing your wagon. I'd rather sort you later when I'm not frustrated. But I think you already knew that and that's why you thought you shouldn't say anything?
it doesnt match with your stated opposition to no lynching.
I literally just caused the longest wagon we've had in the game. Ok, maybe I'm taking too much credit, but I was willing to settle on a NoName lynch yesterday to avoid it. But we have a few days now and there's stuff to look at. I'm not going to randomly wagon someone I mindmelded with like Cyth. I'd rather lynch Shock than that.
if youre scum, its good to know thats a thing yall care about.
What, not no lynching? Scum wouldn't care as a team. Did you read my modgaming spoiler about it? Like. If I'm scum, there's no reason to oppose no lynching. It'd be strictly +ev to convince the town to no lynch as scum because I get at least one free kill and I immediately know the identity of at least one power role if not two. Even if there's a no-lynch baked into the mislynch math, I would still have good NK targets and would have convinced town to give up their mylo no lynch. The only reason to oppose it if I'm scum is because I know town!me would do it and this is all IIoA anyway. But yeah. Like I said, I could be persuaded to it. Probably. But it's not optimal play and pretending it is - especially when we have no idea what roles we're unlocking - raises some red flags for me.
if youre town, lets kill someone. itll be fun.
We shouldn't kill someone just to have someone dead. We should lynch the scummiest player in the game or someone we don't want anywhere near lylo if we can't get a majority otherwise.
Anyway. I'll be back in a while to iso scarbo. I might make it a pbpa if I have time but no promises.
We shouldn't kill someone just to have someone dead. We should lynch the scummiest player in the game or someone we don't want anywhere near lylo if we can't get a majority otherwise.
this i disagree with.
yes, it would be great to lynch scum.
but we need to just get someone dead. we need it for information, for wagon analysis.
if a townie gets lynched, thats ok. its what usually happens day 1.
we will recover.
We shouldn't kill someone just to have someone dead. We should lynch the scummiest player in the game or someone we don't want anywhere near lylo if we can't get a majority otherwise.
this i disagree with.
yes, it would be great to lynch scum.
but we need to just get someone dead. we need it for information, for wagon analysis.
if a townie gets lynched, thats ok. its what usually happens day 1.
we will recover.
I'm not disagreeing that we're probably going to be wrong. But we should at least try to lynch scum. And if we don't lynch the scummiest player, that gives scum a pass to be scummy and lurkers a pass to lurk.
What info will we even get from a Cyth flip? He's barely said anything since the first couple of days.
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I iso'd Scarbo and Jack. I felt nothing.
On the one hand I don't think drunk!scum!scarbo would trust us to be able to follow his train of thought on Ghosting. Whereas drunk!town!scarbo might just assume that we could. And on the other he's pushing no lynch pretty heavily and something about him rubs me wrong.
And Jack did a lot of IIoA to start with but his last few posts seemed ok.
I don't know. Someone else find scum. All I've found was town and people I'm not sure about.
between stmu, the crossover game, goldeneye, and turbos i think i have a decent grasp of you as a player. and i keep coming back to that kosa pbpa and... youre better than that.
like, i read that thing and if the conclusion was "vote kosa" id have not even blinked.
how did you come to the conclusion he is so town youd rather no lynch?
Tell me about these alarm bells that go through your head. I'm very curious what they are.
vaimes voted my slot
silver voted me because shrug
dv voted me for the omgus
huntz voted me because hey pikachu
and you vote me for the creeps.
You were previously voting tom iirc i'll go back and look at why. But you are the only one calling my slot scum besides dv.
hint: Disliking someones playstyle does not make them scum no matter how much you will it.
It's a confbias read on the "sarcastic scum confession post". You are reading me as scum so you interpret it as a scum post. In actuallity it isn't alignment indicative.
What's my scum motive for hard defending Kosa?
Honestly Silver, I think my suspicion is the very high bar you've set for yourself (if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about go find where he replaced in for goldeneye, it's night and day). I'm jut not "dazzled". It's probably not fair, but it's the feeling I get reading you.
But do I want you dead over inactives (that's right kettle, you're black!)? No
Do I think we get a whole lot of interaction to look at with your flip? Probably not more than DV or Kosa
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/700341-goldeneye-mafia-game-over-town-wins-for-england
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/719646-star-trek-myriad-universes-mafia-iv-game-over
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3198-Org-CFC-and-MTGS-inter-forum-invitational-exhibition-game
Maybe I've been playing too many turbos and the MU meta rubbed off on me or something.
@NewName: I think you're scummier than D_V or Kosa, and they aren't my strongest town reads ever. I wouldn't say I have a hard scum read on you though. Basically I have a pile of nulls and three days to sort through them now. I'll try to make time for more isos tonight or tomorrow. Starting with yours.
Well he certainly isn't scummy currently. That I can say with absolute certainty.
almost 800 posts and your saying you're wish washy on me and dv and kosa? hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe it's me. Maybe I approached this game incorrectly.
Do you think my vote on DV is fair?
But I might just be weird and/or not experienced enough. Those three games I linked a bit ago are the only long games of Mafia I've ever played, and the other games I've played had 18 minute days with 6 minute nights (turbos). I've played maybe a dozen of those and randed scum in about half, which got me quicklynched.
Regarding your D_V vote, from my understanding it's sort of popular to run him up for his playstyle. So from the point of view of someone who hasn't played with him before the vote is reasonable. Did you read his linked town games though?
I think we should lynch before the 10th. coming to a compromise at the final hour is poor gameplay. in order to maximize vca it's best to come to terms with a lych before then.
I'm pretty certain INANN is a better lynch virtually said nothing in his last 10 posts.
But I'll lynch Cyth as well, but I'd rather not. This looks like a good lynch to me, and you'd have to make a strong case why this isn't a good lynch.
INeedANewName (6) - Vaimes, Silvercrys3467, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, shadowlancerx
D_V (3) - Ghosting, INeedANewName, Cythare
Kosakosa (3) - tomsloger, , Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito
scarbo (2) - Prophylaxis, zomgarcwind
Silvercrys3467 (1) - scarbo
Not Voting (3) - Shockwave08, Mindreaver, Kosakosa
V/LA:s
Vaimes - during weekends
With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, October 10th, at 11:59 PM EST.
@newname
can i interest you in a cythare lynch?
also, how can you possibly think Cythare and I are scum if we've both been the only ones to push for a GJ lynch?
seriously you guys, let's end the Day with no lynch, activate the corresponding abilities, start toMorrow with fresh information provided by night actions (including confirming ghosting), and demand toDay's lurkers be more active. I fail to see ANY drawback to this plan.
If it's 13 vs 4 scum, and we no-lynch, it becomes 12 vs 4 scum. Which reduces, eventually, to a final four where we no-lynch again unless there's a vig. We're passing the scum team a free kill by no lynching.
Which is why I don't want to no-lynch, because we're essentially passing the scum team free kills on the strongest/towniest players in the game.
I guess it's also possible there's five scum and we're supposed to no-lynch at least once. But that seems a little too difficult for town with the vanillaizer in the game too.
Tom why are you opposing the INNAN lynch like the plague?
???
What makes him town to you?
Vote: Cythare
Unvote Kosa, Vote Cythare
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm not normally an argumentative person. If you want to be my TS this game, I'll rumble with you.
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Uh.
Am I supposed to know what this means?
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but, but
Look at the towniness of the Sorenslot wagon:
I'm town, Silver is a reasonably strong townread, DV is a townlean, Huntzilla is super town x2, and I'm ~okay with shadow.
I vibe with this.
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tom, were you intentionally copying Mindreaver here?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But let's
vote cythare
His posting restriction is really emphasizing how bad his vote movement is
He is right that he's not great without flips, but I think he's over emphasizing his newness/incompetence
there wouldn't be any vca so making assocations would be moot. taking the pressure off the choice makes us less likely to think critically. not wanting to think as hard scarbo?
Just because we have pr's doesn't mean we rely on them. A "balanced" game which I am assuming it is. Suggests that the pr's are only meant to add flavor to the game. Trying to break the game with roles is not suggested as it is high variance. better to go with the tried and true and reliable method of scumhunting?
Letting scum control the flow of concrete information and the kill is bleh.
I assume you know all this though. Why do you keep going for a no lynch?
I'm not trying to hide behind my "inexperience" or anything. I just don't think I'm nearly as good as you guys seem to think I am and I have no clue why you're so impressed with my performance. Like. You're always talking me up and I know I can't deliver. I'm just over here doing my thing like I've been doing and I'm going to keep doing it and hopefully you see me (or, you know, you're scum and we catch you).
On an actually-related-to-things-in-the-game note, though it is the best wagon we've had all day:
unvote
vote: Shockwave07
I kind of think NewName is town after iso. I don't really think it's Cyth just because we mindmelded so hard at start of day. But I am prepared to be wrong and low-content wagons are better than no lynching.
i isoed cythare again
joined the proph rvs wagon - 3 posts
gj for the no lynch - 1 post
dv for the drunken lulz - 1 post
zomg for a super bad reason - 7 posts
gj again for i dont even know - 12 posts
dv for being dv - 1 post
i dont like the reasons for his votes, but more than that i dont like how static he stayed.
im just imagining me with that PR and how many times my vote would move. its only 7 and 12 post chunks, but hes just not staying nimble and talking about whatever strikes his fancy.
reeks of having decided what to talk about.
what about my iso made you think I was town?
just do what you can.
thats when youre townie. nose to the grindstone making logical conclusions.
i dont care if youre insightful, groundbreaking, or right.
i care that youre doing things and i can see your logic.
like, look back at your kosa pbpa and tell me if you think you showed all the steps that brought you to town kosa.
because i dont see them.
MAKING MOVIES, MAKING SONGS AND.....
FIGHTEN ROUN THE WORLD
The GJ way path to no lynching:
MAKING MOVIES, MAKING MUSC AND GITHEN ROUGHT THE WORLD
...RUSSEL CROWE
Silver, take the bloody vote off before I beat you. The only reason to lynch shock today is because **** the guy with the lowest post count (I am just guessing he is it of the avctive players) His wagon tells us nothing, save him for a more rainy day. If he isn't active tomorrow, I'll PILEDRIVE HIS ASS INTO THE GROUND,
but leave him alone toda,y k?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ahh the good ole Doing God's work plan.
I see.
I don't want to flip this wagon since it feels super late and we already flipped this wagon.
I will lynch Cyth though if I'm the one holding us backk.
Secondly, there aren't any steps in my Kosa read. It's a combination of 1) he's been run up for playstyle before and 2) I believe he believes his reads. Like, can he be scum? Sure. Anything is fakeable. Is he more likely than you? or Scarbo, even? or not-posting Shockwave? Nope. Not from where I'm standing.
There's no logical process to display. He just seems like town. You want to talk logic, get me a scum flip. We can talk logic all we want with a scum body dead on the ground.
But this is like the third time I've said this so I'm just gonna stop before I spontaneously morph into a broken record or something. Also, if you think my Kosa read is bad, why haven't you questioned my tone read on Vaimes? And you're really gonna love this next thing.
@NewName:
Stuff like...
"taking the pressure off the choice makes us less likely to think critically."
"almost 800 posts and your saying you're wish washy on me and dv and kosa? hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe it's me. Maybe I approached this game incorrectly."
"Why didn't you just ask? this was incredibly fruitless. or maybe not. instead of thinking about player 1 think about player 2. I'm new and nervous and shy (not really). I did come in at around page 10 so my presence is not as noticeable and haven't had the rapport of starting from page 1. and I'm willing to bet some of the player list has only interacted with 4 people only :/."
You sound pure to me. Like, you could be faking it I guess. I don't know your scum range. But these sound more like player-in-a-new-meta than scum-in-a-new-meta-dodging-the-lynch or whatever.
@GJ:
I mean. I don't think it's Cyth. Not comfortable lynching there. Do you have a better counterwagon in mind? I'd rather lynch him now if he's not going to play, and I'd definitely rather lynch him than no lynch.
silver, be more bloodthirsty.
youre looking for reasons NOT to lynch someone. look for reasons TO lynch someone.
thats what we need right now.
it doesnt match with your stated opposition to no lynching.
if youre scum, its good to know thats a thing yall care about.
if youre town, lets kill someone. itll be fun.
Anyway. I'll be back in a while to iso scarbo. I might make it a pbpa if I have time but no promises.
This game has lots of Lurkerrssss
Haiku by DV.
yes, it would be great to lynch scum.
but we need to just get someone dead. we need it for information, for wagon analysis.
if a townie gets lynched, thats ok. its what usually happens day 1.
we will recover.
That was beautiful. Can we have another?
I'm not disagreeing that we're probably going to be wrong. But we should at least try to lynch scum. And if we don't lynch the scummiest player, that gives scum a pass to be scummy and lurkers a pass to lurk.
What info will we even get from a Cyth flip? He's barely said anything since the first couple of days.
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I iso'd Scarbo and Jack. I felt nothing.
On the one hand I don't think drunk!scum!scarbo would trust us to be able to follow his train of thought on Ghosting. Whereas drunk!town!scarbo might just assume that we could. And on the other he's pushing no lynch pretty heavily and something about him rubs me wrong.
And Jack did a lot of IIoA to start with but his last few posts seemed ok.
I don't know. Someone else find scum. All I've found was town and people I'm not sure about.
But I wouldn't feel good about it.