My confidence in Hunt has completely vanished. The attack on Tordeck, and basically jumping in the way of the attack on NaG, it literally doesn't follow anything he's said before.
I really don't like the idea of lynching Hunt because this is the first game I was hard town reading him.
Yeah Tordeck is super imposing himself as "auto town" but it only works for him. The same logic works for any other player voting for themselves as well.
OH WOW DV DOESNT LIKE THE IDEA OF LYNCHING HUNT.
Guys.
Guys.
DV / NaG / Hunt. Not sure of the 4th, but these guys all need to go. Either make a proposal with one of them in it, or make a proposal with all three of them in it.
If this is how people are going to go about attempting to lynch each other, it seems pretty stupid to do anything other than lynch Huntzilla first.
Statements like these set off my paranoia bells and make me reconsider.
So people were suggesting that maybe DK and Hunt were scum together, stepping forward and lynching Shockwave. I really don't see it. Hunt's rant about me reads legit. The way DK explained it *before* Hunt even showed up in the thread really shreds the idea that it could have been coordinated between the two. (If it had been the other way around, I could see a scumDK going "yup that's what happened.")
Does scumHunt + townDK make sense? Given Hunt's recent insanity, I could see it as a possibility. Not as strong as I initially suspected.
Does scumDK + townHunt make sense? That would mean DK saw Hunt's rant in the box, identified that Hunt is an easy mislynch while Shock would continuously be townie and townie. And here he is now pushing for a Hunt lynch.
Does townHunt + townDK make sense? Yes. There's nothing discounting this.
Okay I don't know.
Let's focus on lynching DV and NaG and not put Hunt or DK in the box with them.
Unvote
Propose Knot (Rodemy, Tordeck, NaG)
Options:
1) Swap me in for Rodemy or Tordeck.
2) Swap DV for NaG.
My confidence in Hunt has completely vanished. The attack on Tordeck, and basically jumping in the way of the attack on NaG, it literally doesn't follow anything he's said before.
So while that's going on, and if we're right about that being a 3 scum grouping, we have one left to find. Seppel is never being lynched this game and Tordeck is pretty high on my list too. I propose that we send three players of questunable alignment into a group to duke it out and hopefully we a)get the last remaining scum in there with the two town and b) they manage to figure it out and vote correctly.
So while that's going on, and if we're right about that being a 3 scum grouping, we have one left to find. Seppel is never being lynched this game and Tordeck is pretty high on my list too. I propose that we send three players of questunable alignment into a group to duke it out and hopefully we a)get the last remaining scum in there with the two town and b) they manage to figure it out and vote correctly.
Proposal: Leftovers: Mindreaver, Nykllor, Rodemy
When did i get questionable alignment?
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Aside from my vouching for Tordeck, what makes him so high on your list?
Firstly, I didn't like how D_V tried to deflect me to Tordeck when I called him out for his lack of content, and secondly Tordeck's wall post after the Shockwave lynch came across as quite townie imo.
So while that's going on, and if we're right about that being a 3 scum grouping, we have one left to find. Seppel is never being lynched this game and Tordeck is pretty high on my list too. I propose that we send three players of questionable alignment into a group to duke it out and hopefully we a)get the last remaining scum in there with the two town and b) they manage to figure it out and vote correctly.
Proposal: Leftovers: Mindreaver, Nykllor, Rodemy
When did i get questionable alignment?
I referenced Xyre's post (the one above mine) when I made the proposal and, after eliminating Seppel and Tordeck was left with those three names. Realised now that I missed dkingsland, would rather have him in there than you. Proposal:
Group2 - Mindreaver, Nykllor, dkingsland
Actually I'd like the people who didn't vote Scumtrio to answer why they didn't vote it.
Weekend away from technology. But I could have early on. I would have rather seen Tordeck/Nykllor go down than any of these.
How come I'm not seeing all the people complaining that NaG was "pushing lynches before we had flips zomg he's scum" and DOtA is completely unscathed from such criticism? His slot has been shady since D1, and he's close to the top of my list of people who could be scum.
Unless you guys think this *new* proposal will finish first and be more likely to kill scum. Then there is an argument for avoiding lylo. I think group2 is a something I would have proposed (with the intention of killing Nykllor), but I'm leery since DoTA is the one that wants it.
Actually I'd like the people who didn't vote Scumtrio to answer why they didn't vote it.
Weekend away from technology. But I could have early on. I would have rather seen Tordeck/Nykllor go down than any of these.
How come I'm not seeing all the people complaining that NaG was "pushing lynches before we had flips zomg he's scum" and DOtA is completely unscathed from such criticism? His slot has been shady since D1, and he's close to the top of my list of people who could be scum.
Unless you guys think this *new* proposal will finish first and be more likely to kill scum. Then there is an argument for avoiding lylo. I think group2 is a something I would have proposed (with the intention of killing Nykllor), but I'm leery since DoTA is the one that wants it.
Other than your initial spat with Deekus you've made almost no attempt to engage with me and have barely even mentioned me... If I'm close to the top of your list why aren't you trying to lynch me?
On another note... in light of Shock's flip, I'm not a fan of Mindreaver's PBP post, especially the way he painted Shock's reads as poor without any explanation.
Just because he's town, doesn't mean his reads weren't bad :). Also, in light of the flip, show me the scum motivation for that post?
I'm still re-reading a bit, because this result wasn't what I expected. But I don't think many of his "reads" (Seppel, Rodemy, Me, Megs) are even on my radar now. Tordeck is, and Hunt's involvement here is somewhat suspicious, but that's all (IMHO).
I'd like to hear from Hunt, to make sure his version of that QT jives with yours. But if shcok didn't defend himself, I'd be surprised (especially since he posted all about "I'm gonna spam the crap out of that QT thread"). I mean, it wasn't like he inactive in this thread.
My top suspects at the moment, are Tordeck and Nykllor, for those responses to the flip.
NaG's proposal did exactly what it was supposed to do, gather information.
My thought process here is something along these lines:
Town is dead, so it's POSSIBLE that some of Hunt, DK, NaG is scum.
I don't think all of them are. I'd be very surprised to have the whole scum team involved in the first kill. Especially since we don't think there was scumchat to coordinate.
I'm trying to figure out how to isolate those three, or at least try and tie them to the next proposal/flip. I've toyed with having a similar proposal to NaG's, with NaG/Hunt as the kingmaker. Or going with a Hunt/DK proposal. Something, so that we can correlate outcomes.
After Shock's flip, you mention practically everyone except me, yet I had also been scumreading Shock.
Seppel:
You are voting for a proposal that would lead to the two of us lynching kpaca almost immediately.
Move your vote to bobblegong. You can either lynch kpaca with tordeck instead, change your mind and kill tordeck, or let the two of them claim scum by voting you.
Let's not let this game drag along again.
I'm a bit leery of setting up a mislynch to catch two scum, when we don't really have a reliable way to get rid of them, once caught. I would feel better just taking out any of Kpaca/Tordeck/Nykllor or possibly DoTA, singly.
It's not a bad plan, or thought process. I can see the merits. I just don't know exactly what we'd do with Kpaca/Tordeck if town!Seppel is on the ground. Obviously, lynch through them, but there is always the possibility that we accidentally put them in another group with a second scum by mistake (and there would still be two "unknown" scum out there). Leading to a third mislynch, and then we're in lylo.
I'm mentioned, but as an afterthought...
Only one other post from you where I'm mentioned, and it's asking a few people's opinions on the kakapo wagon that NaG proposed while Bobblegong was still going. A proposal that you voted for btw. So you were fine earlier with their being two groups going simultaneously, but now suddenly it's an issue when I propose it?
Also, a fundamental difference between kakapo and leftovers/group2. NaG stated that the entire point of kakapo was to go in and lynch Nykllor immediately, and pusheed for the proposal to be voted through. I'm proposing a group to actually discuss and decide upon a lynch, and if we wait until Scumtrio is completed first I'm fine with that. The game doesn't end just because there's an active proposal in play.
Just because I think you're suspect, doesn't mean I have to engage with you every second. You're much further down my list than those three I listed. and since there isn't a single killed scum at this point, I'm not wasting my time with a "possible 4th scum" VS "This is my top choice".
After shocks's flip I don't mention you... You had nothing to do with the proposal (didn't propose it, didn't vote it)? What are you getting at here? That you suspected shockwave? Because I can't really hold that against you... when I was doing the same thing.
I'm proposing a group to actually discuss and decide upon a lynch, and if we wait until Scumtrio is completed first I'm fine with that. The game doesn't end just because there's an active proposal in play.
This is exactly the through process that gives me pause with you.
You're thought process isn't "Hey, if they come back with Hunt dead, and he was scum, this is the next proposal we should look at".
Instead, I'm supposed to go along with "well these are the available people right now, are we should vote regardless of what happens, but we could also wait".
That's very different.
You're also not coming at it like "This person is scummy as ***** IMO, and we *should* kill them right now, because we've been having trouble getting a consensus with those 3 people in the larger thread". Which was how I read NaG's push on Nykillor last time.
So I'm supposed to buy this "out of what's left to try to (mis)lynch, I like these targets. Independent of what happens in the QT. But I'm willing to wait and see too. Oh Rodemy, you pushed back a little, let me change it to something else you'd rather vote for"?
It's an act DoTA, and I'm not following where you lead, and I don't think anyone else should either.
I think DoTA just wanted to state, that he is actually standing behind his proposal. So it wont matter for him wether it's discussed
in the fullgroup (after our other proposal has finished) or in this smaller Group.
I get that he wants to stand behind it. My problem is that it was designed specifically with this smaller group in mind.
I suspect the scumteam is Tordeck, D_V, Nykllor, and possibly DoTA/Rodemy/Seppel for the 4th slot. A NaG/DK/Hunt team might have me completely tricked and bamboozed, but that seems farfetched.
But I'm not voting until I see the results here. If Hunt or NaG eats it, I will feel better about that possible conspiracy theory first kill. If D_V dies, I expect to see scum, and if I don't will need to re-evaluate.
So, back to the DoTA standpoint. I can not see a way in which you could propose a group right now, and stand by it once the flip happens. I just don't. For me, I could say "lets throw me and DK into a group with Tordeck so we can kill him". But if NaG or Hunt comes back scum, that's a proposal I wouldn't want (because I'm going to suspect DK a lot more than if NaG flips town).
I literally can't think of how this flip wouldn't affect my view, unless I wanted to put DoTA/Rodemy/Seppel in a group, and just pray I have my "4th scum slot" truly PoE'd down enough, and that the two town make the right choice.
I don't really get how you scumread my two toptowns (seppel and tordeck)...
But I understand your concerns. Flips matter.
Let me be clear, I actually read Seppel as townish in a vacuum. When I iso Tordeck I just don't get the same feeling. Also, I still can't resolve why he would attempt to kill Seppel when Seppel/Kpaca didn't show. IF I thought he thought he was trying to get more information by killing Seppel over Kpaca (who was largely null, and just low hanging fruit due to inactivity) I would have expected him to say that by now. It was a super shady for him to switch targets like that. I believe he saw an opportunity to remove a stronger player in Seppel. We have a mod confirmed "new rule" about not showing up in QTs. Which I think does lean me more toward scum!Tordeck and town!Seppel. But...
The Seppel *could* be the 4th scum argument, comes from the fact that they went in to a proposal, and town died. If Tordeck is scum, you have to at least suspect a little bit that Seppel could be too. That's why he's in that group with DoTA and Rodemy (who I also don't have a strong case for).
I don't feel like going after the 4th scum. I'd rather kill my top target (which is Tordeck).
That's my confidence level in people being town. Rodemy and Tordeck I'm convinced. Mindreaver and Nykklor are very likely, DK and DoTA are good but I haven't been wowed by them recently, so they're my candidates for deep scum.
This is all assuming we've locked up 3 scum, but that looks likely based on how peaceful we're being (minus DoTA making proposals and DK being absent).
Aside from my vouching for Tordeck, what makes him so high on your list?
Firstly, I didn't like how D_V tried to deflect me to Tordeck when I called him out for his lack of content, and secondly Tordeck's wall post after the Shockwave lynch came across as quite townie
Can you point out the post where he did this? If he did, he's a virtual lock to be scum. I don't think I can recall a single instance of deflection like that ("why are you pressing me for this, [player] is doing it too!") where the person deflecting was town.
@Seppel: I didn't vote for scumtrio because I didn't know it existed. I was extremely busy last week and didn't have time to keep up with this game.
Regarding DotA's proposal: Mindreaver and Nykllor are definitely not scum together, as Nykillor was verbal about not wanting to go into that group.
@Xyre: The mafia wincon says: "You win when the mafia controls the big red buttons."
Suppose we put 2 townies and 1 scum in a box. That puts us with 3 townies and 3 scum able to propose boxes, none of which would theoretically pass if they didn't benefit the scum. That doesn't count as mafia controlling the buttons, right?
No. The mafia win condition is essentially the same as normal - equal the town in number. Such that they could just force through boxes containing only townies. (Even though there's no nightkill to make it simple, I'm assuming ties go to the scum as usual.)
So this is essentially a true lylo, and no box shenanigans could cause us to be all like, "oops mafia win because we shoved a specific combination of people in there"
If they were both town, that would mean I was sitting in a den of four scum and only one other townie, and there's no reason they couldn't have just done away with me and the other townie while the DV/Hunt/NaG box was boxing.
It still makes DoTA's attempt at a proposal highly questionable,
At this point any proposal *needs* to include two of me/Tordeck/Rodemy. I'm not comfortable letting any other proposal pass until we get some scum bodies.
And for the third, either DV or Hunt.
Propose A (Seppel, Rodemy, DV)
A = Seppel, Rodemy, DV
B = Seppel, Tordeck, DV
C = Tordeck, Rodemy, DV
D = Seppel, Rodemy, Hunt
E = Seppel, Rodemy, Hunt
F = Tordeck, Rodemy, Hunt
I mean there is the problem that some of the players were not posting seppel so scum couldn't control the votes simply because they were not here in game.
Also this should come as zero surprise to people I made it very very clear I wasn't lynching Hunt. And NaG was very very strange in the box.
Basically I asked him why he voted for the box, he said to lynch hunt with you. I then asked him why he wasn't voting hunt and he never responded to that, till a day later in which he finally voted hunt only after hunt voted him. It was bizarre.
Well D_V, is Hunt scum? NaG's dead town, and this is the second time he's voted for it.
It is a possibility, but I think we got put into a 3 man town box the more I think about it well now after seeing the result as well. But, that people like DK were gone and so the scum couldn't auto win.
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why would Nykklor die?
OH WOW DV DOESNT LIKE THE IDEA OF LYNCHING HUNT.
Guys.
Guys.
DV / NaG / Hunt. Not sure of the 4th, but these guys all need to go. Either make a proposal with one of them in it, or make a proposal with all three of them in it.
Propose Scumtrio (DV, NaG, Hunt).
Echidna and Shibari are bad proposals.
That's not what Tordeck is saying and you know it.
If this is how people are going to go about attempting to lynch each other, it seems pretty stupid to do anything other than lynch Huntzilla first.
I'm swamped and have only skimmed the last couple pages, so somebody tell me a current proposal (if there is one) that is supposed to lead to that.
Also, I will be V/LA tomorrow through Monday.
Full speed ahead
So people were suggesting that maybe DK and Hunt were scum together, stepping forward and lynching Shockwave. I really don't see it. Hunt's rant about me reads legit. The way DK explained it *before* Hunt even showed up in the thread really shreds the idea that it could have been coordinated between the two. (If it had been the other way around, I could see a scumDK going "yup that's what happened.")
Does scumHunt + townDK make sense? Given Hunt's recent insanity, I could see it as a possibility. Not as strong as I initially suspected.
Does scumDK + townHunt make sense? That would mean DK saw Hunt's rant in the box, identified that Hunt is an easy mislynch while Shock would continuously be townie and townie. And here he is now pushing for a Hunt lynch.
Does townHunt + townDK make sense? Yes. There's nothing discounting this.
Okay I don't know.
Let's focus on lynching DV and NaG and not put Hunt or DK in the box with them.
Unvote
Propose Knot (Rodemy, Tordeck, NaG)
Options:
1) Swap me in for Rodemy or Tordeck.
2) Swap DV for NaG.
Any combination will result in a dead scum.
Vote scumtrio
I don't like any of this.
I like scumtrio.
Let those three duke it out.
The whole point of of mine is (hopefully) lynching a wolf with someone I think is town.
I do not even know who I want to lynch most among tordeck/huntzilla/nykllor. I am fairly certain of all three.
Right, sooooo... Take your own advice?
I really expected more than 2 posts when I was gone 23 hours.
Tonight, wolf is on the menu.
(See. Wolf is better. Scum does not right there)
(6 to pass)
Shibari: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
1 - Tordeck
kakapo: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
2 - D_V, Huntzilla
Scumtrio: D_V, Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick
4 - DoTArchon, Rodemy, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
Knot: not_a_gimmick, Rodemy, Tordeck
1 - Seppel
Active Proposals
None
ThisIsTheOne: dkingsland967, D_V, Nykllor
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
EndOfTheLine: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
echidna: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Rodemy
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
PRICK: Huntzilla, Rodemy, Tordeck
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
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Scum sammiches though.
Alliteration is better than your animal cruelty
Unvote, vote Scumtrio
WELLY WELL WELL.
WELL WELLY WELL WELL,
WELL WELL WELLY.
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The Family
(6 to pass)
kakapo: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
2 - D_V, Huntzilla
Scumtrio: D_V, Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick
6 - DoTArchon, Rodemy, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor, Seppel, Tordeck
Active Proposals
None
ThisIsTheOne: dkingsland967, D_V, Nykllor
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
EndOfTheLine: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
echidna: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Rodemy
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Shibari: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
PRICK: Huntzilla, Rodemy, Tordeck
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
Knot: not_a_gimmick, Rodemy, Tordeck
Proposal Scumtrio has passed. D_V, Huntzilla, and not_a_gimmick have been sent QT info. They may no longer post. Deadline is set for 10/5 at 3pm MST.
In their absence, the passing threshold is 4.
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Proposal: Leftovers: Mindreaver, Nykllor, Rodemy
When did i get questionable alignment?
I referenced Xyre's post (the one above mine) when I made the proposal and, after eliminating Seppel and Tordeck was left with those three names. Realised now that I missed dkingsland, would rather have him in there than you.
Proposal:
Group2 - Mindreaver, Nykllor, dkingsland
How come I'm not seeing all the people complaining that NaG was "pushing lynches before we had flips zomg he's scum" and DOtA is completely unscathed from such criticism? His slot has been shady since D1, and he's close to the top of my list of people who could be scum.
Unless you guys think this *new* proposal will finish first and be more likely to kill scum. Then there is an argument for avoiding lylo. I think group2 is a something I would have proposed (with the intention of killing Nykllor), but I'm leery since DoTA is the one that wants it.
After Shock's flip, you mention practically everyone except me, yet I had also been scumreading Shock.
I'm mentioned, but as an afterthought...
Only one other post from you where I'm mentioned, and it's asking a few people's opinions on the kakapo wagon that NaG proposed while Bobblegong was still going. A proposal that you voted for btw. So you were fine earlier with their being two groups going simultaneously, but now suddenly it's an issue when I propose it?
Also, a fundamental difference between kakapo and leftovers/group2. NaG stated that the entire point of kakapo was to go in and lynch Nykllor immediately, and pusheed for the proposal to be voted through. I'm proposing a group to actually discuss and decide upon a lynch, and if we wait until Scumtrio is completed first I'm fine with that. The game doesn't end just because there's an active proposal in play.
After shocks's flip I don't mention you... You had nothing to do with the proposal (didn't propose it, didn't vote it)? What are you getting at here? That you suspected shockwave? Because I can't really hold that against you... when I was doing the same thing.
This is exactly the through process that gives me pause with you.
You're thought process isn't "Hey, if they come back with Hunt dead, and he was scum, this is the next proposal we should look at".
Instead, I'm supposed to go along with "well these are the available people right now, are we should vote regardless of what happens, but we could also wait".
That's very different.
You're also not coming at it like "This person is scummy as ***** IMO, and we *should* kill them right now, because we've been having trouble getting a consensus with those 3 people in the larger thread". Which was how I read NaG's push on Nykillor last time.
So I'm supposed to buy this "out of what's left to try to (mis)lynch, I like these targets. Independent of what happens in the QT. But I'm willing to wait and see too. Oh Rodemy, you pushed back a little, let me change it to something else you'd rather vote for"?
It's an act DoTA, and I'm not following where you lead, and I don't think anyone else should either.
That thought process is horrible. And your quick flip from me being questionable to dk was so bad.
I'd rather mindreaver and I go in and lynch DoTA right now.
Anyone want to defend him?
I suspect the scumteam is Tordeck, D_V, Nykllor, and possibly DoTA/Rodemy/Seppel for the 4th slot. A NaG/DK/Hunt team might have me completely tricked and bamboozed, but that seems farfetched.
But I'm not voting until I see the results here. If Hunt or NaG eats it, I will feel better about that possible conspiracy theory first kill. If D_V dies, I expect to see scum, and if I don't will need to re-evaluate.
So, back to the DoTA standpoint. I can not see a way in which you could propose a group right now, and stand by it once the flip happens. I just don't. For me, I could say "lets throw me and DK into a group with Tordeck so we can kill him". But if NaG or Hunt comes back scum, that's a proposal I wouldn't want (because I'm going to suspect DK a lot more than if NaG flips town).
I literally can't think of how this flip wouldn't affect my view, unless I wanted to put DoTA/Rodemy/Seppel in a group, and just pray I have my "4th scum slot" truly PoE'd down enough, and that the two town make the right choice.
The Seppel *could* be the 4th scum argument, comes from the fact that they went in to a proposal, and town died. If Tordeck is scum, you have to at least suspect a little bit that Seppel could be too. That's why he's in that group with DoTA and Rodemy (who I also don't have a strong case for).
I don't feel like going after the 4th scum. I'd rather kill my top target (which is Tordeck).
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@Xyre: Prod on DK please. And is the box done? Did it collapse on them all?
Rodemy > Tordeck > Mindreaver > Nykklor > DK > DoTA
That's my confidence level in people being town. Rodemy and Tordeck I'm convinced. Mindreaver and Nykklor are very likely, DK and DoTA are good but I haven't been wowed by them recently, so they're my candidates for deep scum.
This is all assuming we've locked up 3 scum, but that looks likely based on how peaceful we're being (minus DoTA making proposals and DK being absent).
lazinesscaution.Also, all I can say about the box is the deadline is set for 10/5 at 3pm MST, and you'll know when something happens when it happens.
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D_V and Huntzilla return to the thread. With 9 present, it's 5 votes to pass proposals.
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Can you point out the post where he did this? If he did, he's a virtual lock to be scum. I don't think I can recall a single instance of deflection like that ("why are you pressing me for this, [player] is doing it too!") where the person deflecting was town.
@Seppel: I didn't vote for scumtrio because I didn't know it existed. I was extremely busy last week and didn't have time to keep up with this game.
Regarding DotA's proposal: Mindreaver and Nykllor are definitely not scum together, as Nykillor was verbal about not wanting to go into that group.
WHAT
no seriously what
is there any possible way
that DV and Hunt are not scum
"Yeah he was town"
Like we should have known it was going to turn out that way.
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@Xyre: The mafia wincon says: "You win when the mafia controls the big red buttons."
Suppose we put 2 townies and 1 scum in a box. That puts us with 3 townies and 3 scum able to propose boxes, none of which would theoretically pass if they didn't benefit the scum. That doesn't count as mafia controlling the buttons, right?
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
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AT LEAST one of DV and Hunt MUST be scum.
If they were both town, that would mean I was sitting in a den of four scum and only one other townie, and there's no reason they couldn't have just done away with me and the other townie while the DV/Hunt/NaG box was boxing.
It still makes DoTA's attempt at a proposal highly questionable,
At this point any proposal *needs* to include two of me/Tordeck/Rodemy. I'm not comfortable letting any other proposal pass until we get some scum bodies.
And for the third, either DV or Hunt.
Propose A (Seppel, Rodemy, DV)
A = Seppel, Rodemy, DV
B = Seppel, Tordeck, DV
C = Tordeck, Rodemy, DV
D = Seppel, Rodemy, Hunt
E = Seppel, Rodemy, Hunt
F = Tordeck, Rodemy, Hunt
Also this should come as zero surprise to people I made it very very clear I wasn't lynching Hunt. And NaG was very very strange in the box.
Basically I asked him why he voted for the box, he said to lynch hunt with you. I then asked him why he wasn't voting hunt and he never responded to that, till a day later in which he finally voted hunt only after hunt voted him. It was bizarre.
It is a possibility, but I think we got put into a 3 man town box the more I think about it well now after seeing the result as well. But, that people like DK were gone and so the scum couldn't auto win.