@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
Shock and kpaca flipped town, so why you would mention them in this question is beyond me.
@dKingsland: I'm not even sure scum team got a pre-game chat, or even a quicktopic, due to the nature of this game and this hint in the opening post: space mafia lost their guns and communicators. So no NK and no Night, why do they need a QT of their own?
I'll take my own look at Deekus. Also have to say now that the reason you presented isn't bad in the right context, but considering it now we have to find another reason to clear or condemn Deekus.
Ugh, you're right. It's right there in the rules post: no scum chat.
Goddammit.
Now I have to actually read the wall-of-text war between Deekus and Mindreaver.
Tell me again why we towncleared dk?
This is clever, but no way he missed that part of the rules.
Off to work.
Please re read dk
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@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
You must not be reading to your full comprehension level. Hunt is clearly scum so again the odds are absolutely ZERO.
I'll confirm what Seppel said. When neither of them initially showed Xyre was a bit pissed (and justifiably so by all the lurking and replacements than have been going on this game) so said that if they didnt show up by deadline who ever I was voting would die instead of it going to random.
I went into the QT and voted Kpaca and explained the why (same as I had right before in here) then Xyre made the deadline ruling and I switched to Seppel. When Seppel showed up I went back to Kpaca. Kpaca was the only choice we had as with two of us there when we hit deadline it would have gone back to random as no majority was met (was how I read things).
Seps, to answer you question I'm going to have to also explain all of my reasoning this game so bare with me.
So lets go back to the initial proposal I made. SnM was a gambit through and through. I was channeling my inner Iso to gauge reactions, I figured if I played it off as having broken the game that early (a la Iso) I could get a pretty good initial read on several players. I literately picked the 3 players that would fit the proposal name. This is why Seppel as appeared to drop off my scumdar as the game progress, he was simply never really there.
After the reactions from SnM I made the push on NaG, initially this was simply because his constant misuse of terminology this game (wolves and villagers instead of mafia/scum and town) was a source of confusion. I just wanted the annoying to go away. Then I took a moment and realized as it continued that it too could be a gambit, one specially designed to cause confusion or otherwise irritate the other players. If that was the case though, to me, it could only be a scum gambit as town generally dont want to sow that much confusion into the game as it will only hinder the town's chances.
Now here is where the web gets a bit more twisted. In post 278 Shockwave expressed what could only be described as true and genuine townie rage at the state of the game. That post alone was all I needed to know his alignment (and I said so in 280). The way I said it (as a matter of fact) was also intentional. I knew that the reactions to both 278 and 280 would be very telling. To me it was so clearly a town post that anyone that saw differently must be doing so intentionally. Hence why 297 jumped out to me, as Hunt tried to dismiss it offhand as AtE. That was a super scum tell, try to discredit the obvtown (failing miserably in the process and only working to reveal his own alignment as scum). I also knew that if anyone tried to use the "oh he has inside info" argument that I would catch another scum as only they would bother going with such a low hanging fruit argument about me (as I wasnt actually a real threat at that time as I appeared to be barely even playing).
Now I had two solid scum reads and a good wagon to analyze(which I admit I havent done yet as I wanted to resolve the 1st two before looking for more actively) when the proposal that ended with Shock's death passed. Its been stated the Shock didnt really show up and just gave up. We only have the word of one obvscum and a nulltell to take though. Here is where the wheels turn and I start wonder if the two of them didnt just come up with that as plan to cover up why the only obvtown player going in ended up the lynch. That argument requires a lot of cheese so I back burnered it.
This all brings me to my Shibari proposal. I made this one for the reasons I sated previously. It was me and my top 2 scum reads. No matter how it ends its a town win. I also used this opportunity to signal Seppel. I was hoping that if he remembered some OOG stuff about me he would catch the naming hint that more than what it seems. IE that I wasnt really reading him as scum.
When we got the QT I told Seppel that I had been breadcrumbing so to speak and hoped that he had gotten the hint. I also explained to Kpaca why I was voting him. Then Xyre showed up. Now I was in a situation. I could go with Kpaca, play it off as it went down as it ended up eventually doing so but wouldnt have actually happened at the time and fingers crossed Seppel got the hints and didnt come back after missing but still being able to read the QT to call me a liar and we end up with another mislynch this time on me ......or..... I could kill off Seppel and when I got back here answer truthfully with it being my choice and I went with the person I had once called scum over the lurker who I had absolutely no read on. Seppel showed up, made it known that he had gotten my hints and was good with killing Kpaca so thats what we did.
Now we are back and Shibari is still looking the best option to me Vote Shibari
@Seppel, a lot of I was going to say in the QT hence the gap between unvoting you and revoting kpaca, I decided in the end I wanted to say it here and so limited the amount of paraphrasing I would need to due when pulling info from the QT by keeping it short and sweet there.
Well, that's fun. This is the most I think I have ever seen you post. The problem I have is that it is garbage.
In what world is pointing out someone's AtE a scumtell? Not to mention, how does that make someone obvscum?
This inaccuracy I could forgive if it was the only item in your rant, but alas, you had to voice your argument against NaG. You were initially voting him because of terminology discrepancies, which is unusual in itself. But then he became scum in your eyes because it CONTINUED? That's just bad logic Tordeck.
So you decide to go ahead and make a proposal with you and your top two scum reads. But tell me, how do you think you would ever make it out of that proposal alive? With you basically saying you want both NaG and I dead, what would stop any player from just killing you off? You basically would give the scum the easiest defense in the world to hide behind, that of self preservation. Before we all delve into a huge theoretical discussion about "scum being the only one's who want to survive at all costs," just humor the question. Why would you essentially want to die? That proposal does nothing to shed light on any alignments. I don't see how your thought process even comes from a town perspective. You are trying to strong arm yourself into a position of power to control a lynch. Judging by this long post, I can't agree with that at all. Unless you end up flipping scum, which is the most likely scenario...
I mean, the last time you were put into a proposal, you ended up killing town. Tell me how that is any different than my circumstance?
Sep and I killed a lurker with half a dozen posts that nobody could get a read on. You helped kill the only obvtown at that point. That is the difference, one was done because there was no other real choice the other out of self preservation. A truly scummy mindset.
Sep and I killed a lurker with half a dozen posts that nobody could get a read on. You helped kill the only obvtown at that point. That is the difference, one was done because there was no other real choice the other out of self preservation. A truly scummy mindset.
Dkingsland, rodemy, and DV are town.
nykllor, huntzilla, and tordeck are scum.
That means the last wolf is in [seppel, dota, mindreaver]
We really need to lynch scum this proposal. I think it should be nykllor.
rodemy, get your vote off the proposal with you and two scum. I don't want to go to 5-4
Have you re read dk?
He slipped near the beggining defending someone saying they had a lack of grasp of the rules.. and the forgets that the rules state no scumchat pregame.
I dont see why we towncleared him
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@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
You must not be reading to your full comprehension level. Hunt is clearly scum so again the odds are absolutely ZERO.
Man, does this rub me the wrong way. Not for any real game reason, but wow dude.
How about this. Instead of knocking my "reading comprehension", get some yourself. I asked a question about the 6 people who have been outside the thread. 4 people are back, and 2 dead town on the ground. I wanted to know what you and Seppel, specifically, thought about the chances of us selecting 6 town in these. Because that seems to me, like it might be a good place to ******* start looking.
But no, you instead mention two proposals who are being voted now. You even realize there aren't 6 people. I give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I was unclear, and you come back with this garbage?
I can't see a world where we didn't have at least one scum in these proposals. And yeah, you can spit "it's hunt" all you like, it's not an argument. It's just you saying it over and over.
So either Hunt and DK are lying (and are both scum killing shockwave), you and seppel are both lying (killing kpaca), or it's possible just you are lying (trying to kill seppel instead, knowing kpaca wasn't going to endgame). Personally, the least complex scenario is that you're the scum, unless you can prove that BOTH DK and Hunt are lying scum. Because Hunt on his own didn't pull the trigger and their story is identical.
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
You must not be reading to your full comprehension level. Hunt is clearly scum so again the odds are absolutely ZERO.
Man, does this rub me the wrong way. Not for any real game reason, but wow dude.
How about this. Instead of knocking my "reading comprehension", get some yourself. I asked a question about the 6 people who have been outside the thread. 4 people are back, and 2 dead town on the ground. I wanted to know what you and Seppel, specifically, thought about the chances of us selecting 6 town in these. Because that seems to me, like it might be a good place to ******* start looking.
But no, you instead mention two proposals who are being voted now. You even realize there aren't 6 people. I give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I was unclear, and you come back with this garbage?
I can't see a world where we didn't have at least one scum in these proposals. And yeah, you can spit "it's hunt" all you like, it's not an argument. It's just you saying it over and over.
So either Hunt and DK are lying (and are both scum killing shockwave), you and seppel are both lying (killing kpaca), or it's possible just you are lying (trying to kill seppel instead, knowing kpaca wasn't going to endgame). Personally, the least complex scenario is that you're the scum, unless you can prove that BOTH DK and Hunt are lying scum. Because Hunt on his own didn't pull the trigger and their story is identical.
My problem is hunts rant.
He didn't need to repeat it. (Unless someone asked for it)
And it was bad.. i don't see how that (or any iteration of that...) could be seen as town.
And to type up a rant twice? Once in qt and then again here?
I'm gonna reread and see if he mentioned he was paraphrasing, but he could have bull***** the entire thing with dk.
I don't trust that shockwave just gave up.
He was fightinf the entire way through and said he would fight hunt until they couldn't come to a solution.
Those are the facts we have before they went in.
Im re reading dk tonight to see what exactly got him towncleared.
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Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
You must not be reading to your full comprehension level. Hunt is clearly scum so again the odds are absolutely ZERO.
Man, does this rub me the wrong way. Not for any real game reason, but wow dude.
How about this. Instead of knocking my "reading comprehension", get some yourself. I asked a question about the 6 people who have been outside the thread. 4 people are back, and 2 dead town on the ground. I wanted to know what you and Seppel, specifically, thought about the chances of us selecting 6 town in these. Because that seems to me, like it might be a good place to ******* start looking.
But no, you instead mention two proposals who are being voted now. You even realize there aren't 6 people. I give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I was unclear, and you come back with this garbage?
I can't see a world where we didn't have at least one scum in these proposals. And yeah, you can spit "it's hunt" all you like, it's not an argument. It's just you saying it over and over.
So either Hunt and DK are lying (and are both scum killing shockwave), you and seppel are both lying (killing kpaca), or it's possible just you are lying (trying to kill seppel instead, knowing kpaca wasn't going to endgame). Personally, the least complex scenario is that you're the scum, unless you can prove that BOTH DK and Hunt are lying scum. Because Hunt on his own didn't pull the trigger and their story is identical.
My problem is hunts rant.
He didn't need to repeat it. (Unless someone asked for it)
And it was bad.. i don't see how that (or any iteration of that...) could be seen as town.
And to type up a rant twice? Once in qt and then again here?
I'm gonna reread and see if he mentioned he was paraphrasing, but he could have bull***** the entire thing with dk.
I don't trust that shockwave just gave up.
He was fightinf the entire way through and said he would fight hunt until they couldn't come to a solution.
Those are the facts we have before they went in.
Im re reading dk tonight to see what exactly got him towncleared.
Hey Rodemy, care to explain why you were on both wagons that lead to town deaths? Also for bonus points, why did you shrug-hammer the Kpaca proposal through?
As for why I would go to the trouble of typing it up twice, it's as simple as this: Everyone deserved to know what went down in the QT. That included why dking would waiver on lynching me. You don't have to like the content of my rant, nor do I care if you do, but for the sake of the town I DID need to repeat it. Tell me, where would the scum motivation be for typing it up again? What scum would even go through the trouble of typing a(n) (according to you) fake rant up when it didn't matter? I mean, as scum I would have already gained what I needed to by (again according to your theory) my buddy corroborating my story. You are just trying to come up with a lofty scheme in order to mislynch me at this point.
But I get it, you need to distract from the proposal that is going to end up getting your scum buddy killed.
Someone just hammer the kakapo proposal and then we can move on to lynching Tordeck and Rodemy.
I won't reconsider dkingsland without a huntzilla scum flip. Shockwave rolling over is the only thing he's said that looks like a lie to me, and it can only be so if they are scum together.
My preferred lynch order is nykllor>huntzilla>tordeck. But I would skip to huntzilla if there were two people I trusted in the proposal with him.
We can no longer put multiple suspects together as two mafia in a qt could mean game over.
Rodemy, would you like to lynch huntzilla with me?
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
I won't reconsider dkingsland without a huntzilla scum flip. Shockwave rolling over is the only thing he's said that looks like a lie to me, and it can only be so if they are scum together.
My preferred lynch order is nykllor>huntzilla>tordeck. But I would skip to huntzilla if there were two people I trusted in the proposal with him.
We can no longer put multiple suspects together as two mafia in a qt could mean game over.
Rodemy, would you like to lynch huntzilla with me?
Sure,
Hunt, the simple answer for all yoir questions is that i think you are scum.
You are only saying i am trying to mislynch you because you think i am scum.
Trust me buddy, my scumgame isn't that good. Have you read my scum games?
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Two people I called scum want to lynch me! What a shocking turn of events!
Dude, Ive wanted to lynch you since before you kill Shock. Dont try and play this off as I'm in OMGUS mode. As for the name of the proposal, go ahead and report me if you want. The names of my proposals all have a theme and none of the say anything other than tibits about the lifestyle i live.
Strange. You didn't put yourself in this proposal, but opted for dk instead?
Rather him die than you?
Oh hayyyyy scum.
There have been 10 proposals made that didn't include the person who made it including both the proposals that led to mislynches, yet you single this out as a reason to call me scum. Do you really believe I'm scum just for that?
Rodemy, would you like to lynch huntzilla with me?
So you can throw your buddy under the bus in an ovious attempt for town cred? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
Ok, do you seriously think I am scum with huntzilla?
I am trying to get him lynched. AGAIN.
In the off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass. Your reason for scumreading me is complete garbage and you just aren't reading critically.
In the far more likely situation in which you are scum and I am wrecking your team, still get your head out of your ass and come up with something better.
As noted in the rules, I presume proposals are accompanied by votes in favor of them. (So you don't need to keep adding votes to your own proposal-posts, Dota.) If you want to remain on a different proposal, I recommend adding a vote for that proposal as well - though, since the proposal would automatically fall down to the spoilers archive, I'm not sure what the point is.
Because I know my alignment. I can only speculate as to Rodemy's. I know that if I go in with the two scum one of them is going to have to fall under a bus or I die and the town has two confirmed scum to eliminate lined up. Rodemy doesnt give that clarity.
Because I know my alignment. I can only speculate as to Rodemy's. I know that if I go in with the two scum one of them is going to have to fall under a bus or I die and the town has two confirmed scum to eliminate lined up. Rodemy doesnt give that clarity.
Pretend for a second that the rest of us don't know your alignment. What's the difference?
From my "don't know ***** about Tordeck" perspective, they seem to have the same amount of WIFOM.
I really don't like the idea of lynching Hunt because this is the first game I was hard town reading him.
Yeah Tordeck is super imposing himself as "auto town" but it only works for him. The same logic works for any other player voting for themselves as well.
Tordeck, there is no wine in echidna. We are both going in there to kill huntzilla.
If anything else happens, lynch the survivors. [glares at rodemy]
If you really want to try to make the case that I am bussing, wait til after he flips.
Youre already trying to bus, you didnt flip your script on Hunt until after I pointed out that you two were scum together. Youve made a nice attempt to distance and bus, sadly for you I aint buying it.
Because I know my alignment. I can only speculate as to Rodemy's. I know that if I go in with the two scum one of them is going to have to fall under a bus or I die and the town has two confirmed scum to eliminate lined up. Rodemy doesnt give that clarity.
Pretend for a second that the rest of us don't know your alignment. What's the difference?
From my "don't know ***** about Tordeck" perspective, they seem to have the same amount of WIFOM.
To you there is no difference, to me there is. You asked my opinion and I gave it.
Youre already trying to bus, you didnt flip your script on Hunt until after I pointed out that you two were scum together. Youve made a nice attempt to distance and bus, sadly for you I aint buying it.
Flip my script from what to what?
I've literally been scumreading his slot since megiddo's first post.
Important question:
If all you have is that I say wolf sometimes and have been bussing someone who hasn't flipped the entire game, in what way is that a real read?
Do you really want to stand by this?
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
Youre already trying to bus, you didnt flip your script on Hunt until after I pointed out that you two were scum together. Youve made a nice attempt to distance and bus, sadly for you I aint buying it.
Flip my script from what to what?
I've literally been scumreading his slot since megiddo's first post.
Important question:
If all you have is that I say wolf sometimes and have been bussing someone who hasn't flipped the entire game, in what way is that a real read?
Do you really want to stand by this?
Why are you not reading that as scummy?
This sort of delusional reality is not what the game is about. So how to you rectify Tordeck being town?
Tordeck, there is no wine in echidna. We are both going in there to kill huntzilla.
If anything else happens, lynch the survivors. [glares at rodemy]
If you really want to try to make the case that I am bussing, wait til after he flips.
Youre already trying to bus, you didnt flip your script on Hunt until after I pointed out that you two were scum together. Youve made a nice attempt to distance and bus, sadly for you I aint buying it.
Because I know my alignment. I can only speculate as to Rodemy's. I know that if I go in with the two scum one of them is going to have to fall under a bus or I die and the town has two confirmed scum to eliminate lined up. Rodemy doesnt give that clarity.
Pretend for a second that the rest of us don't know your alignment. What's the difference?
From my "don't know ***** about Tordeck" perspective, they seem to have the same amount of WIFOM.
To you there is no difference, to me there is. You asked my opinion and I gave it.
I guess it's just a good thing you don't have 6 votes. If your argument for You VS Rodemy is simply that you know you're town, that isn't going to convince anyone.
Delusion? NaG made the proposal that got Shock (townie) killed with the sole intention of doing so.
Not on his own he didn't. Lots of us decided to pit Hunt against Shockwave, loser dies.
But again, this leap requires DK and Hunt to be scum together. And now you're throwing NaG into the mix. Show me an actual argument for that. That somehow 3 out of 4 scum were involved in the first proposal.
If NaG ends up being scum, and that first proposal was attempting to kill town, I don't see Hunt being scum. It would make a lot more sense that DK/NaG would be the team there. But you aren't pushing that. It's Hunt and NaG you're pushing, which doesn't make ANY SENSE to me.
My reads as of now:
shockwave
dkingsland
DV
rodemy
seppel
mindreaver
meggido
nykllor
So you put your top two townreads into the proposal with the intent of having the third person lynched, yet they lynched the townie... that's embarrassing.
As many players have not posted a proper reads list, much of this is guess work.
But I think it is safe to say the huntzilla and shockwave would be the lynch candidates if this game approached the lynch in a normal manner.
While both mindreaver and I have picked up a fair amount of suspicion, we both have a fair amount of people townreading us as well. (Whereas I am shockwave's only real defender, and the only person defending megiddo's slot is some version of me that is completely in seppel's imagination.)
So I propose we play kingmaker.
unvote
propose team phascogale: dkingsland, huntzilla, shockwave
vote team phascogale
dkingsland is in charge. I hope he takes my points into account, but the other two should make a case to him. I think this is the best way to relieve xyre's disappointment and have this game progress.
I am not certain how to analyze votes in this game, but we will not find out without a flip of some kind. And the vast majority of this game would like to see a corpse of one or both of those two.
It is time.
But you said Shock was your top townread, why would you put him in a position where he has to defend himself? You could have gone into that box with him and had Hunt lynched from post one...
So this is where I say I told you so, then someone says "but shockwave was sooooo wolfy you must have inside information" and it's a whole big thing.
But how about we skip that and just lynch huntzilla now?
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Nothing about dkingsland. No questions to dkingsland. You don't even express some disappointment that your top townread was lynched by your second highest townread. Just "LYNCH HUNT RAAAAA". This is, in my mind, the most damning point. You posted straight after the mod made the announcement that Shock flipped town, so this is before dkingsland came in and explained what had happened in the thread. And you didn't even blink.
If you wanted Hunt lynched in that proposal, why did you put dkings in and not yourself?
Perhaps try looking at the post where I made the proposal. It was the only universal townread with the two thread consensus scumreads to try to get a proposal passed before deadline.
I literally crafted it to be something people would vote for.
So you put your top two townreads into the proposal with the intent of having the third person lynched, yet they lynched the townie... that's embarrassing.
It wasn't my best day ever, but I always knew shockwave had a chance of dying. dkingsland specifically had said he was a wolf, and a lot of other people wanted him lynched.
He almost certainly had to die eventually, or he would have just dominated the conversation. He was super villagery to me, but he was getting pushed pretty hard.
I should look back at who was doing the pushing.
But you said Shock was your top townread, why would you put him in a position where he has to defend himself? You could have gone into that box with him and had Hunt lynched from post one...
Nothing about dkingsland. No questions to dkingsland. You don't even express some disappointment that your top townread was lynched by your second highest townread. Just "LYNCH HUNT RAAAAA". This is, in my mind, the most damning point. You posted straight after the mod made the announcement that Shock flipped town, so this is before dkingsland came in and explained what had happened in the thread. And you didn't even blink.
Correct.
I thought dkingsland was town. Still do, by the way. And the only thing that even gives me pause about it now is shockwave giving up, as you so helpfully stated, had not been said yet.
I knew shock might die. I knew he was town.
So why would him dying and flipping town do anything at all to change my mind about wanting to lynch huntzilla?
Anything else?
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
Your "wolf desperate to get NAG lynched" is showing.
Dota's "most damning point" is that I didn't change gears.
It's a terrible point in it's own way, but at least it happened.
And it is directly the opposite of your "reasoning".
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What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
Shock and kpaca flipped town, so why you would mention them in this question is beyond me.
Strange. You didn't put yourself in this proposal, but opted for dk instead?
Rather him die than you?
Oh hayyyyy scum.
Tell me again why we towncleared dk?
This is clever, but no way he missed that part of the rules.
Off to work.
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Well, that's fun. This is the most I think I have ever seen you post. The problem I have is that it is garbage.
In what world is pointing out someone's AtE a scumtell? Not to mention, how does that make someone obvscum?
This inaccuracy I could forgive if it was the only item in your rant, but alas, you had to voice your argument against NaG. You were initially voting him because of terminology discrepancies, which is unusual in itself. But then he became scum in your eyes because it CONTINUED? That's just bad logic Tordeck.
So you decide to go ahead and make a proposal with you and your top two scum reads. But tell me, how do you think you would ever make it out of that proposal alive? With you basically saying you want both NaG and I dead, what would stop any player from just killing you off? You basically would give the scum the easiest defense in the world to hide behind, that of self preservation. Before we all delve into a huge theoretical discussion about "scum being the only one's who want to survive at all costs," just humor the question. Why would you essentially want to die? That proposal does nothing to shed light on any alignments. I don't see how your thought process even comes from a town perspective. You are trying to strong arm yourself into a position of power to control a lynch. Judging by this long post, I can't agree with that at all. Unless you end up flipping scum, which is the most likely scenario...
I mean, the last time you were put into a proposal, you ended up killing town. Tell me how that is any different than my circumstance? Tell me how that post was townie in your eyes? You know what I'm seeing? You trying to excuse a mislynch you KNEW you were going to orchestrate.
@Seppel
You seem to think Tordeck is town. Can you tell me why in your eyes?
Vote Kakapo
I still want this to get resolved.
How about you put me in a proposal with Tordeck and any non-Kakapo members? Go ahead and choose...
Sure lets humor the scum - Proposal P.R.I.C.K = Hunt, Tordeck, Rodemy
The Family
To say otherwise is silly.
I think that proposal might get you a flame warning. Why so defensive? Don't like getting called out for your lack of insight?
8. Rodemy
9. Seppel
10. Tordeck
2. DoTArchon King_Deekus
The 4 out of 5 scum are here.
I guess I'd be most anxious of lynching Dota at this point. Maybe Tordeck.
The other three though are solid lynches.
Just you and sep eh?
I'll take this proposal.
unvote vote p.r.i.c.k
I wanna lynch hunt.
I also wanna go into a proposal.
This is nothing but OMGUS.
Lets lynch hunt
nykllor, huntzilla, and tordeck are scum.
That means the last wolf is in [seppel, dota, mindreaver]
We really need to lynch scum this proposal. I think it should be nykllor.
rodemy, get your vote off the proposal with you and two scum. I don't want to go to 5-4
Have you re read dk?
He slipped near the beggining defending someone saying they had a lack of grasp of the rules.. and the forgets that the rules state no scumchat pregame.
I dont see why we towncleared him
How about this. Instead of knocking my "reading comprehension", get some yourself. I asked a question about the 6 people who have been outside the thread. 4 people are back, and 2 dead town on the ground. I wanted to know what you and Seppel, specifically, thought about the chances of us selecting 6 town in these. Because that seems to me, like it might be a good place to ******* start looking.
But no, you instead mention two proposals who are being voted now. You even realize there aren't 6 people. I give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I was unclear, and you come back with this garbage?
I can't see a world where we didn't have at least one scum in these proposals. And yeah, you can spit "it's hunt" all you like, it's not an argument. It's just you saying it over and over.
So either Hunt and DK are lying (and are both scum killing shockwave), you and seppel are both lying (killing kpaca), or it's possible just you are lying (trying to kill seppel instead, knowing kpaca wasn't going to endgame). Personally, the least complex scenario is that you're the scum, unless you can prove that BOTH DK and Hunt are lying scum. Because Hunt on his own didn't pull the trigger and their story is identical.
My problem is hunts rant.
He didn't need to repeat it. (Unless someone asked for it)
And it was bad.. i don't see how that (or any iteration of that...) could be seen as town.
And to type up a rant twice? Once in qt and then again here?
I'm gonna reread and see if he mentioned he was paraphrasing, but he could have bull***** the entire thing with dk.
I don't trust that shockwave just gave up.
He was fightinf the entire way through and said he would fight hunt until they couldn't come to a solution.
Those are the facts we have before they went in.
Im re reading dk tonight to see what exactly got him towncleared.
Yeah. That was my point...
yikes.
Hey Rodemy, care to explain why you were on both wagons that lead to town deaths? Also for bonus points, why did you shrug-hammer the Kpaca proposal through?
As for why I would go to the trouble of typing it up twice, it's as simple as this: Everyone deserved to know what went down in the QT. That included why dking would waiver on lynching me. You don't have to like the content of my rant, nor do I care if you do, but for the sake of the town I DID need to repeat it. Tell me, where would the scum motivation be for typing it up again? What scum would even go through the trouble of typing a(n) (according to you) fake rant up when it didn't matter? I mean, as scum I would have already gained what I needed to by (again according to your theory) my buddy corroborating my story. You are just trying to come up with a lofty scheme in order to mislynch me at this point.
But I get it, you need to distract from the proposal that is going to end up getting your scum buddy killed.
Someone just hammer the kakapo proposal and then we can move on to lynching Tordeck and Rodemy.
My preferred lynch order is nykllor>huntzilla>tordeck. But I would skip to huntzilla if there were two people I trusted in the proposal with him.
We can no longer put multiple suspects together as two mafia in a qt could mean game over.
Rodemy, would you like to lynch huntzilla with me?
Sure,
Hunt, the simple answer for all yoir questions is that i think you are scum.
You are only saying i am trying to mislynch you because you think i am scum.
Trust me buddy, my scumgame isn't that good. Have you read my scum games?
Can do. Just vote P.R.I.C.K So you can throw your buddy under the bus in an ovious attempt for town cred? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
The Family
I am trying to get him lynched. AGAIN.
In the off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass. Your reason for scumreading me is complete garbage and you just aren't reading critically.
In the far more likely situation in which you are scum and I am wrecking your team, still get your head out of your ass and come up with something better.
unvote
propose echidna: NAG, rodemy, huntzilla
vote echidna
Raise your hand if you think huntzilla is town.
(6 to pass)
Shibari: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
1 - Nykllor
kakapo: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
3 - D_V, Seppel, Huntzilla
ThisIsTheOne: dkingsland967, D_V, Nykllor
1 - DoTArchon
PRICK: Huntzilla, Rodemy, Tordeck
2 - Tordeck, Rodemy
echidna: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Rodemy
1 - not_a_gimmick
Active Proposals
None
CounterKakapo: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Nykllor
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
I realized earlier i said
"You only think i am mislynching you because you think i am scum"
Which is a horrible statement.
Just pointing that out before it bites menin the ass.
Hunts reactions have been horrible.
I am not answering his questions.
The Family
Any further thoughts while you're here? Maybe regarding echidna?
Its a terrible idea that has way too much wine flowing around it.
The Family
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Unvote, Vote Shibari
The Family
The Family
If anything else happens, lynch the survivors. [glares at rodemy]
If you really want to try to make the case that I am bussing, wait til after he flips.
From my "don't know ***** about Tordeck" perspective, they seem to have the same amount of WIFOM.
Yeah Tordeck is super imposing himself as "auto town" but it only works for him. The same logic works for any other player voting for themselves as well.
To you there is no difference, to me there is. You asked my opinion and I gave it.
The Family
I've literally been scumreading his slot since megiddo's first post.
Important question:
If all you have is that I say wolf sometimes and have been bussing someone who hasn't flipped the entire game, in what way is that a real read?
Do you really want to stand by this?
Why are you not reading that as scummy?
This sort of delusional reality is not what the game is about. So how to you rectify Tordeck being town?
The Family
But again, this leap requires DK and Hunt to be scum together. And now you're throwing NaG into the mix. Show me an actual argument for that. That somehow 3 out of 4 scum were involved in the first proposal.
If NaG ends up being scum, and that first proposal was attempting to kill town, I don't see Hunt being scum. It would make a lot more sense that DK/NaG would be the team there. But you aren't pushing that. It's Hunt and NaG you're pushing, which doesn't make ANY SENSE to me.
You're ignoring the part where you claim that you NAG "Flipped the script" only after you said something. Which isn't the case at all.
So yeah delusional.
Hey Seppel, your turn to try and herd the cats.
The Family
So yeah IDK mate.
It isn't. He isn't.
Glad we had this talk.
So you put your top two townreads into the proposal with the intent of having the third person lynched, yet they lynched the townie... that's embarrassing.
But you said Shock was your top townread, why would you put him in a position where he has to defend himself? You could have gone into that box with him and had Hunt lynched from post one...
I love the bolded part, in what universe does town say this.
Nothing about dkingsland. No questions to dkingsland. You don't even express some disappointment that your top townread was lynched by your second highest townread. Just "LYNCH HUNT RAAAAA". This is, in my mind, the most damning point. You posted straight after the mod made the announcement that Shock flipped town, so this is before dkingsland came in and explained what had happened in the thread. And you didn't even blink.
Proposal:EndOfTheLine(DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck)
The Family
I literally crafted it to be something people would vote for.
It wasn't my best day ever, but I always knew shockwave had a chance of dying. dkingsland specifically had said he was a wolf, and a lot of other people wanted him lynched.
He almost certainly had to die eventually, or he would have just dominated the conversation. He was super villagery to me, but he was getting pushed pretty hard.
I should look back at who was doing the pushing.
See above.
This one.
To be more specific, one in which we were getting close to deadline and no one was doing anything.
Correct.
I thought dkingsland was town. Still do, by the way. And the only thing that even gives me pause about it now is shockwave giving up, as you so helpfully stated, had not been said yet.
I knew shock might die. I knew he was town.
So why would him dying and flipping town do anything at all to change my mind about wanting to lynch huntzilla?
Anything else?
Dota's "most damning point" is that I didn't change gears.
It's a terrible point in it's own way, but at least it happened.
And it is directly the opposite of your "reasoning".