Well tordeck's response to that proposal gaining steam was pretty wolfy. I think I like DV's theory that tordeck does not want the blame for lynching kpaca.
I hope kpaca defies all our expectations and shows up for the qt and convinces seppel to lynch tordeck.
Hey let's kill nykllor now. It freaks me out that he has only been in one proposal all game and it was seppel's RVS shenanigans. propose kakapo: NAG, mindreaver, nykllor
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
Oh definitely, I hated his response to Tordeck's terrible proposal (the people he wanted to kill wasn't the issue, it was voting himself into a position of power like that, which apparently Nykllor was all for).
But, how about... Unvote, Propose counterkakapo: Mindreaver, DK, Nykllor
Because I can't very well say I don't like people proposing themselves into positions of power, and they let you do it
I'd also be fine with DK, D_V, Nykllor depending whether people want me in there or not (I don't particularly care).
I'm pretty sure either of these teams are 2 towns and a scum I'm ok with either since I Nykllor will be lynched, I have no preference someone will have to sway me to convince me one is better than the other. Otherwise I'll vote for the one that has the most votes.
That proposal isn't putting myself in power like seppel right now or dkingsland in the first one.
That is making a proposal to lynch nykllor full stop.
It doesn't actually matter who's in it, just the result.
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
To be fair, i have been in.. no proposals recently.. or many at al
Which is funny, Concidering that is the first reason NaG used to say "hey, lets kill him"
Like.. super rushed, not even wanting to wait for a flip.
Hi rodemy. I see you are still not reading my posts. That is fun.
That is decidedly not the first reason, nor is it a particularly important one.
And no, I do not feel the need to wait for the flip. Neither kpaca or tordeck has mentioned nykllor a single time, and nykllor put both of them as neutral on his reads list.
Neither of their flips has any bearing on my read of nykllor.
We do not have to pass a proposal before the others come back to the thread, but there is absolutely no reason to go quiet while we wait.
What do you think of nykllor? You can read my posts about him here, here, and here since you evidently missed them.
Also, Nykllor probably deserves a prod but... eh. Not sure it'd do a lot of good.
I think a PM with QT info would make an excellent prod.
Or do you all just want to do nothing until bobblegong is over?
I'd be fine to go along with this.
I'm confident in my trust of Mindreaver still. NaG is more of a question mark, but I like where his head is at right now. We could go ahead and pass this, however, we only have another 24 hours max before the previous QT is done, and it would be good to see where we are after it's said and done.
I don't like how Nykllor has been a total nonentity. I have been gone for a few days now and we still have gotten ZERO out of him. Putting him on the chopping block is a great idea. At the very least it could stir him to action. I feel it's MORE likely that he is simply hiding scum.
I am holding my vote until the others get back. Consider me in favor of it.
And no, he never showed up. Also I didn't show up for a while too. Xyre added a new rule that instead of killing all three of us, Tordeck could decide who to kill if I didn't show up.
So he voted for me instead of Kpaca. (!)
I showed up and asked him to invite so I could vote Kpaca, so he did, and we lynched Kpaca.
Despite all that, I still feel like he's town, and he just wasn't thinking straight. Or something. I hope.
So before I got sent into the box (notably the abbreviation of this game is "BRB," haha), I had a post started. Some of it is outdated but thanks to Curse I'm not risking editing any of it.
I'm not supporting Wobbegong, I'm just explaining to Rodemy that his reason for being against it doesn't make sense.
Speaking of Rodemy, I don't hate his WobbleDong proposal, but I would rather see you play kingmaker between kpaca and Tordeck than NaG.
I'm reasonably certain this is a Town Tordeck. So if you're going for reads, you'll be getting none, since I'm just going to in there and blast Kpaca away.
Maybe we put three town members in the same group?
Surprising? Not really.
Let's see I have some questions.
Dota, why are you reading me as scum, and ignoring Kpaca? Then when it was brought up you added kpaca, but why are you not adding Tordeck to that read?
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Alpha Seppel Dota Tordeck
My List
dkingsland967
Huntzilla Megiddo
Mindreaver
not_a_gimmick
Nykllor
Rodemy
kpaca
Seppel
DoTArchon
Tordeck
Because as scarce as kpaca has been he's still put in more effort than you have imo. When I was asked about it I reread his iso and agreed that he also looks bad.
Can you explain why Seppel is a scumread for you, and is lower on your list than kpaca? Also, why am I scum?
I like how you ignored the Tordeck part of that question.
And that's why you are scum.
Seppel is gut feeling. But he also seems way to eager to change his opinion of people/ meld his vote when people question him / ask him about his scum reads. Quite a few times its been a "Oh yeah that's a good point vote that person" etc.
You know people can change their minds based off new information, right?
Seppel:
You are voting for a proposal that would lead to the two of us lynching kpaca almost immediately.
Move your vote to bobblegong. You can either lynch kpaca with tordeck instead, change your mind and kill tordeck, or let the two of them claim scum by voting you.
Well tordeck's response to that proposal gaining steam was pretty wolfy. I think I like DV's theory that tordeck does not want the blame for lynching kpaca.
I hope kpaca defies all our expectations and shows up for the qt and convinces seppel to lynch tordeck
That was foretelling, almost to the point of setting off alarm bells. This is one of those situations where if 3 out of 4 players said this I would be wanting to run them up, but I've had a super strong town read on you the entire game. Ugh... I need to stew on this.
@Seppel: It's 6-4, not 5-4. We only have two bodies.
What makes you think Tordeck is town? Can you give us some more insight into what was said in the QT?
@Mindreaver: Why the particular groupings in your counter-Kakapo proposal?
I'll confirm what Seppel said. When neither of them initially showed Xyre was a bit pissed (and justifiably so by all the lurking and replacements than have been going on this game) so said that if they didnt show up by deadline who ever I was voting would die instead of it going to random.
I went into the QT and voted Kpaca and explained the why (same as I had right before in here) then Xyre made the deadline ruling and I switched to Seppel. When Seppel showed up I went back to Kpaca. Kpaca was the only choice we had as with two of us there when we hit deadline it would have gone back to random as no majority was met (was how I read things).
Seps, to answer you question I'm going to have to also explain all of my reasoning this game so bare with me.
So lets go back to the initial proposal I made. SnM was a gambit through and through. I was channeling my inner Iso to gauge reactions, I figured if I played it off as having broken the game that early (a la Iso) I could get a pretty good initial read on several players. I literately picked the 3 players that would fit the proposal name. This is why Seppel as appeared to drop off my scumdar as the game progress, he was simply never really there.
After the reactions from SnM I made the push on NaG, initially this was simply because his constant misuse of terminology this game (wolves and villagers instead of mafia/scum and town) was a source of confusion. I just wanted the annoying to go away. Then I took a moment and realized as it continued that it too could be a gambit, one specially designed to cause confusion or otherwise irritate the other players. If that was the case though, to me, it could only be a scum gambit as town generally dont want to sow that much confusion into the game as it will only hinder the town's chances.
Now here is where the web gets a bit more twisted. In post 278 Shockwave expressed what could only be described as true and genuine townie rage at the state of the game. That post alone was all I needed to know his alignment (and I said so in 280). The way I said it (as a matter of fact) was also intentional. I knew that the reactions to both 278 and 280 would be very telling. To me it was so clearly a town post that anyone that saw differently must be doing so intentionally. Hence why 297 jumped out to me, as Hunt tried to dismiss it offhand as AtE. That was a super scum tell, try to discredit the obvtown (failing miserably in the process and only working to reveal his own alignment as scum). I also knew that if anyone tried to use the "oh he has inside info" argument that I would catch another scum as only they would bother going with such a low hanging fruit argument about me (as I wasnt actually a real threat at that time as I appeared to be barely even playing).
Now I had two solid scum reads and a good wagon to analyze(which I admit I havent done yet as I wanted to resolve the 1st two before looking for more actively) when the proposal that ended with Shock's death passed. Its been stated the Shock didnt really show up and just gave up. We only have the word of one obvscum and a nulltell to take though. Here is where the wheels turn and I start wonder if the two of them didnt just come up with that as plan to cover up why the only obvtown player going in ended up the lynch. That argument requires a lot of cheese so I back burnered it.
This all brings me to my Shibari proposal. I made this one for the reasons I sated previously. It was me and my top 2 scum reads. No matter how it ends its a town win. I also used this opportunity to signal Seppel. I was hoping that if he remembered some OOG stuff about me he would catch the naming hint that more than what it seems. IE that I wasnt really reading him as scum.
When we got the QT I told Seppel that I had been breadcrumbing so to speak and hoped that he had gotten the hint. I also explained to Kpaca why I was voting him. Then Xyre showed up. Now I was in a situation. I could go with Kpaca, play it off as it went down as it ended up eventually doing so but wouldnt have actually happened at the time and fingers crossed Seppel got the hints and didnt come back after missing but still being able to read the QT to call me a liar and we end up with another mislynch this time on me ......or..... I could kill off Seppel and when I got back here answer truthfully with it being my choice and I went with the person I had once called scum over the lurker who I had absolutely no read on. Seppel showed up, made it known that he had gotten my hints and was good with killing Kpaca so thats what we did.
Now we are back and Shibari is still looking the best option to me Vote Shibari
@Seppel, a lot of I was going to say in the QT hence the gap between unvoting you and revoting kpaca, I decided in the end I wanted to say it here and so limited the amount of paraphrasing I would need to due when pulling info from the QT by keeping it short and sweet there.
Sure. The rule is that if two of the people don't post at all in the QT (thus making a lynch impossible), the one present person may choose whom to kill.
Before you ask, if I ever get the impression you guys are trying to use this rule to game the system, I'm taking it away. It exists only to combat chronic lurking.
Feels forced and oddly placed seeing as he did not have to do that.
Dk is not cleared either. I just remembered a game where he was scum that everyone thought he was town til the end.
I forget which one, but it was a damn good game.
@dk, do you remember?
Seppel is always a null, but his reads seem strangly accurate and feels like he is scum throwing all his team mates under the bus, which i can totally see him doing.
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To be fair, i have been in.. no proposals recently.. or many at al
Which is funny, Concidering that is the first reason NaG used to say "hey, lets kill him"
Like.. super rushed, not even wanting to wait for a flip.
Hi rodemy. I see you are still not reading my posts. That is fun.
That is decidedly not the first reason, nor is it a particularly important one.
And no, I do not feel the need to wait for the flip. Neither kpaca or tordeck has mentioned nykllor a single time, and nykllor put both of them as neutral on his reads list.
Neither of their flips has any bearing on my read of nykllor.
We do not have to pass a proposal before the others come back to the thread, but there is absolutely no reason to go quiet while we wait.
What do you think of nykllor? You can read my posts about him here, here, and here since you evidently missed them.
Your quick townclear of shockwave for an rvs proposal.
Your quick push for another lynch after we sent someone to proposal
Your use of wolf instead of scum
You making me restate all these things even though you already know why.
You seem like scum to me.
Your last post you sent me to said you weren't gonna go full on "kill nyklor" because of mimdreaver being scummy.. yet here you are, going full on "kill nyklor"
@Dota: alright, at least see where the misconception came from. So let me clarify.
Someone else had just town cleared D_V. Why and who, I forget, working else I'd do it right now. The statement was to warn other players to at least be wary of him.
@Dkingsland: I'm willing to take the risk to get things moving. I think you're town, Huntz will have to prove himself town or not. If we can't decide I'll willingly take the lynch just to move things along.
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THIS. I am going back and reading stuff and this....
there had to have been more to what happened in there.
Shock WAS going in swinging.
And NaG proposed it.
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On another note... in light of Shock's flip, I'm not a fan of Mindreaver's PBP post, especially the way he painted Shock's reads as poor without any explanation.
Just because he's town, doesn't mean his reads weren't bad :). Also, in light of the flip, show me the scum motivation for that post?
I'm still re-reading a bit, because this result wasn't what I expected. But I don't think many of his "reads" (Seppel, Rodemy, Me, Megs) are even on my radar now. Tordeck is, and Hunt's involvement here is somewhat suspicious, but that's all (IMHO).
I'd like to hear from Hunt, to make sure his version of that QT jives with yours. But if shcok didn't defend himself, I'd be surprised (especially since he posted all about "I'm gonna spam the crap out of that QT thread"). I mean, it wasn't like he inactive in this thread.
My top suspects at the moment, are Tordeck and Nykllor, for those responses to the flip.
NaG's proposal did exactly what it was supposed to do, gather information.
My thought process here is something along these lines:
Town is dead, so it's POSSIBLE that some of Hunt, DK, NaG is scum.
I don't think all of them are. I'd be very surprised to have the whole scum team involved in the first kill. Especially since we don't think there was scumchat to coordinate.
I'm trying to figure out how to isolate those three, or at least try and tie them to the next proposal/flip. I've toyed with having a similar proposal to NaG's, with NaG/Hunt as the kingmaker. Or going with a Hunt/DK proposal. Something, so that we can correlate outcomes.
Dking is telling the truth. Shock had one post at the start of the thread basically saying "Hunt is scum because scum is Hunt," and then only two more posts in the whole chat. When I asked him the same thing you mentioned Mind "why be the top poster ITT only to say nothing of value here" and the guy just basically posted "shrug" and then said he wanted to focus on other games and rolled over to die. Not at all how I thought it was going to go in there, simply because I thought I would actually have to fight for my life.
My angry Seppel rant is this: I don't get how Seppel is always so wrong about me. He calls me scum when I am town and town when I am scum, but always calls me useless. This boggles my mind for this simple reason; I learned how to play Mafia this way by watching him. No joke, and I am sure a few light bulbs will go off for people, but when I started playing I liked the way that Seppel played. His combination of LOL-posting, sarcasm, and then nuggets of wisdom/hair-brained ideas was exactly the way I wanted to play. I never wanted to be the super serious perfect analyst. I grabbed his playstyle and made it my own. So I am not sure if he just doesn't like seeing his tactics in the mirror or what, but I have to tell you it is frustrating as hell to here how useless I am from the king of uselessness and the man that taught me my trade. ALSO, to add to the confusion I feel when he gets it wrong every time, I use SEPPEL'S RULES TO BEING SCUM WHEN I AM SCUM. I'm sure some of you have seen his list of rules that help newb scum adapt to playing as mafia, and I could post them if others haven't, but my major question is this. How can he call me scum incorrectly when I am town and act like him, and then when I use HIS RULES AS SCUM, he gets it wrong. LIke, EVERY TIME. It just drives me insane.
I will be busy most of the early weekend, and should be back Sunday. I will try to pop my head in here when I can during that span.
The shock town flip means I need to reevaluate my current reads.
Please tell me you didn't copy and paste that from the QT...
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After the reactions from SnM I made the push on NaG, initially this was simply because his constant misuse of terminology this game (wolves and villagers instead of mafia/scum and town) was a source of confusion. I just wanted the annoying to go away. Then I took a moment and realized as it continued that it too could be a gambit, one specially designed to cause confusion or otherwise irritate the other players. If that was the case though, to me, it could only be a scum gambit as town generally dont want to sow that much confusion into the game as it will only hinder the town's chances.
So the only reason is you find my terminology annoying?
And it could be a gambit to... annoy people?
Your quick townclear of shockwave for an rvs proposal.
Your quick push for another lynch after we sent someone to proposal
Your use of wolf instead of scum
You making me restate all these things even though you already know why.
You seem like scum to me.
1. Correctly reading someone.
2. Continuing to push nykllor's lynch instead of doing nothing for 3 days.
3. Terminology from other websites/versions of the game.
4. I just wanted to see them all together. It's a really laughable set of reasons.
Your last post you sent me to said you weren't gonna go full on "kill nyklor" because of mimdreaver being scummy.. yet here you are, going full on "kill nyklor"
@seppel
Look at nykllor's 13 posts and ask yourself if he is more concerned with solving the game or how he looks.
Compare his backpedal off me to rodemy. Rodemy's reasons are clearly terrible, but he just keeps chugging.
nykllor was like "yeah ok youre townish" and then just kept saying I was scum.
Check out how weird he was about his vote only being for pressure.
Look at his safe interactions. His nothing impact.
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
DV:
You proposed and voted for your bottom 3 reads. I respect that.
The current leading proposal is 3 of your bottom 4. Move your vote there.
Seppel:
You are voting for a proposal that would lead to the two of us lynching kpaca almost immediately.
Move your vote to bobblegong. You can either lynch kpaca with tordeck instead, change your mind and kill tordeck, or let the two of them claim scum by voting you.
Let's not let this game drag along again.
MY issue with that is that I am heavily reading Tordeck and Seppel as scum, additionally I am reading Dota as scum and Dota is voting for that grouping that makes me think that possibly Kpaca is town.
When the majority of the game had a scum read on kpaca you put him as a town read because I was voting for it?
I think I am rather content to let mindreaver and deekus yell at each other some more.
If NaG ever flips scum, I am instantly clearing Mindreaver and Deekus. This is just like Iso's DS9 early game fencesit.
NaG also gets into it with Nykklor, who responds in earnest. I remember saying NaG was townclearing people right and left. But with three of those options already cleared from being buddies, a NaG scumflip becomes increasingly unlikely. (But if he is, we've got this game in the bag.)
I still need a post I can point to and say "this guy's town."
You answered my questions rather dodgy. But thats just a feeling. I get that itch if somebody says "that's a misunderstanding" twice in a row, followed up by "please don't ask that question".
I'll have to wait for you to answer my question at a later point.
Not answering questions directed at others is very basic game etiquette, but you are free to find me wolfish for pointing it out.
Especially as DV continues to not answer it and I do not seem to care or push him to.
You misunderstanding me is not alignment indicative for either of us by any rubric that I know.
NAG: Explain Wobbegong. Why did you propose those other two? What did you hope the result of it would have been?
That grouping was an admonition of seppel for putting himself in a comparatively weak proposal. Obviously I had no opinion of meggido at the time (and a very unfleshed one now), and seppel has not done anything alignment indicative.
Currently, I would lynch meggido in that proposal.
His underwhelming entrance seemed to be attempting to build momentum against deekus rather than actually trying to figure anything out.
But I would rather him post more before killing him.
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Apart from megiddo, I do not really have another wolfread.
Tordeck is unhelpful as always, but I do not believe that really means anything.
Mindreaver is slightly off, and DV/kpaca/nykllor are nonentities when they all seem capable of being otherwise.
Shockwave and dkingsland are villagers.
That is all I have right now.
NaG and Rodent go at it in depth. Rodemy keeps pushing, which indicates a lack of alignment pairing here. This is also where NaG says that he'd kill Megs but would like Megs to post more.
NaG also appeals to authority to ask if Rodent acts this way. Practically asking if a wagon on Rodemy could gain traction. Nope.
Ok I'll try and sum up my reads so far (Most towny to most scummy in order):
Seppel - Actually trying to create content and looking for the best (townish) way to solve the puzzle
Shockwave - His posts make sense to me but it's not enough for more than a little townish feel
NaG - After questioning him a little I had him on my scummy list first, after seeing another Person on that list trying to buddy him, NaG gains Points
Rodemy - Can't get a Picture
kpaca - As neutral as it gets for me
D_V - Neutral
Tordeck - Neutral
Mindreaver - Looks scummy to me. His proposal "InNagWeTrust" and the talk with NaG about it got me the impression he was tryin to buddy NaG
Megiddo - Absolutly didn't like his post. He's on my scum list
For dkingsland and deekus I need to reread. I feel I'm missing something there.
I really like the looks of Wobbegong: My top-town, a townish read and my top-scum. If something goes totally wrong I'd probably look at NAG again.
On the other hand I think he would lynch megiddo even if he was scum, so there's nothing to gain for him. I'd like more of megiddo's input.
Putting a Little pressure on megiddo with the help of a proposal I'm comfortable with:
vote Wobbegong
Lord I hate this post.
I am town because mindreaver is buddying me is absolutely disgusting. Mindreaver has not flipped, whether you think he is a wolf or not you should not be basing your read on that.
Game flow wise, this jump to megiddo very much looks like trying to capitalize on the momentum against him.
Be that trying to mislynch an unengaged villa or getting bus credit in while the wagon is hot, I do not know.
But it is incredibly opportunistic, and there certainly was not a new meggido post to change your mind.
@ Seppel
What exactly about NAG's post 153 was gross?
I. Am. Floored.
I'm done.
D_V and NaG are buddies and I will not be supporting their desire to lynch Nykklor.
I can support Kakapo if the intent is to lynch NaG. Anything that lynches D_V is great as well. As long as they aren't paired together, we should be good. (If D_V or NaG aren't lynched, then another buddy has been outed.)
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
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You may have been asked it before.
Why am I scum?
He has indeed been asked. He didn't answer.
#bobblegong
Do it for America.
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Also, just moved, limitef access to internet that is not my phone
I'll be down for bobblegong
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Shibari: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
2 - Tordeck, Nykllor
WobbleDong: kpaca, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - Seppel
Bobblegong: kpaca, Seppel, Tordeck
6 - dkingsland967, DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Mindreaver, D_V, Rodemy
Active Proposals
None
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
NFAY: D_V, kpaca, Tordeck
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
Nuts: kpaca, Mindreaver, Seppel
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
In their absence, vote threshold is set to 5.
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I hope kpaca defies all our expectations and shows up for the qt and convinces seppel to lynch tordeck.
Hey let's kill nykllor now. It freaks me out that he has only been in one proposal all game and it was seppel's RVS shenanigans.
propose kakapo: NAG, mindreaver, nykllor
vote kakapo
But, how about... Unvote, Propose counterkakapo: Mindreaver, DK, Nykllor
Because I can't very well say I don't like people proposing themselves into positions of power, and they let you do it
I'd also be fine with DK, D_V, Nykllor depending whether people want me in there or not (I don't particularly care).
That is making a proposal to lynch nykllor full stop.
It doesn't actually matter who's in it, just the result.
Unvote, Vote kakapo
Before we hammer let's make sure we're fine with those 5 only needing a 3 vote majority
(5 to pass)
Shibari: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Tordeck
1 - Nykllor
kakapo: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
3 - not_a_gimmick, Mindreaver, D_V
Active Proposals
Bobblegong: kpaca, Seppel, Tordeck - Deadline 11:55am MST 9/27
CounterKakapo: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Nykllor
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
NFAY: D_V, kpaca, Tordeck
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
Nuts: kpaca, Mindreaver, Seppel
WobbleDong: kpaca, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Or do you all just want to do nothing until bobblegong is over?
^^^^^^^^
Why have't we lynch NaG yet?
Which is funny, Concidering that is the first reason NaG used to say "hey, lets kill him"
Like.. super rushed, not even wanting to wait for a flip.
That is decidedly not the first reason, nor is it a particularly important one.
And no, I do not feel the need to wait for the flip. Neither kpaca or tordeck has mentioned nykllor a single time, and nykllor put both of them as neutral on his reads list.
Neither of their flips has any bearing on my read of nykllor.
We do not have to pass a proposal before the others come back to the thread, but there is absolutely no reason to go quiet while we wait.
What do you think of nykllor? You can read my posts about him here, here, and here since you evidently missed them. Please state why you think I am mafia.
I'd be fine to go along with this.
I'm confident in my trust of Mindreaver still. NaG is more of a question mark, but I like where his head is at right now. We could go ahead and pass this, however, we only have another 24 hours max before the previous QT is done, and it would be good to see where we are after it's said and done.
I don't like how Nykllor has been a total nonentity. I have been gone for a few days now and we still have gotten ZERO out of him. Putting him on the chopping block is a great idea. At the very least it could stir him to action. I feel it's MORE likely that he is simply hiding scum.
I am holding my vote until the others get back. Consider me in favor of it.
Seppel and Tordeck return to the game thread. Vote threshold is now 6.
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
And no, he never showed up. Also I didn't show up for a while too. Xyre added a new rule that instead of killing all three of us, Tordeck could decide who to kill if I didn't show up.
So he voted for me instead of Kpaca. (!)
I showed up and asked him to invite so I could vote Kpaca, so he did, and we lynched Kpaca.
Despite all that, I still feel like he's town, and he just wasn't thinking straight. Or something. I hope.
So before I got sent into the box (notably the abbreviation of this game is "BRB," haha), I had a post started. Some of it is outdated but thanks to Curse I'm not risking editing any of it.
P. S.: Where's all this Nykklor hate coming from?
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@Hunt: I never noticed.
I'm reasonably certain this is a Town Tordeck. So if you're going for reads, you'll be getting none, since I'm just going to in there and blast Kpaca away.
Unvote, vote Bobblegong
You know people can change their minds based off new information, right?
Already done.
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(And then I realized I couldn't post.)
I'm going to need to review.
dkingsland967 -- Solidly town but I don't remember why.
DoTArchon / King_Deekus -- I hated Deekus but I like DoTA. Merits a reread.
D_V -- Solidly scum. Lynch please.
Huntzilla / Megiddo -- Probably town. He's right that my memory is tainted from Goldeneye.
Mindreaver -- I liked what he was selling but a reread wouldn't hurt. I've yet to see a scum Mindreaver.
not_a_gimmick -- Hated him when he was going after Nykklor, then liked him when he stopped. Now he's at it again.
Nykllor -- Why all the hate?
Rodemy -- scumRodemy is easy to find. Pretty sure this isn't him.
Tordeck -- Probably town. I want to know why he voted me, though.
DK
Hunt
Rodemy
LEANTOWN
Mindreaver
NAG
Tordeck
UNKNOWN
DoTA
Nykklor
SCUM
DV
I smell a deep scum. :/
That was foretelling, almost to the point of setting off alarm bells. This is one of those situations where if 3 out of 4 players said this I would be wanting to run them up, but I've had a super strong town read on you the entire game. Ugh... I need to stew on this.
@Seppel: It's 6-4, not 5-4. We only have two bodies.
What makes you think Tordeck is town? Can you give us some more insight into what was said in the QT?
@Mindreaver: Why the particular groupings in your counter-Kakapo proposal?
HEY @xyre can you confirm this new rule that sepple said you made?
I feel like that is something that should have been told to the entire thread.
I went into the QT and voted Kpaca and explained the why (same as I had right before in here) then Xyre made the deadline ruling and I switched to Seppel. When Seppel showed up I went back to Kpaca. Kpaca was the only choice we had as with two of us there when we hit deadline it would have gone back to random as no majority was met (was how I read things).
Seps, to answer you question I'm going to have to also explain all of my reasoning this game so bare with me.
So lets go back to the initial proposal I made. SnM was a gambit through and through. I was channeling my inner Iso to gauge reactions, I figured if I played it off as having broken the game that early (a la Iso) I could get a pretty good initial read on several players. I literately picked the 3 players that would fit the proposal name. This is why Seppel as appeared to drop off my scumdar as the game progress, he was simply never really there.
After the reactions from SnM I made the push on NaG, initially this was simply because his constant misuse of terminology this game (wolves and villagers instead of mafia/scum and town) was a source of confusion. I just wanted the annoying to go away. Then I took a moment and realized as it continued that it too could be a gambit, one specially designed to cause confusion or otherwise irritate the other players. If that was the case though, to me, it could only be a scum gambit as town generally dont want to sow that much confusion into the game as it will only hinder the town's chances.
Now here is where the web gets a bit more twisted. In post 278 Shockwave expressed what could only be described as true and genuine townie rage at the state of the game. That post alone was all I needed to know his alignment (and I said so in 280). The way I said it (as a matter of fact) was also intentional. I knew that the reactions to both 278 and 280 would be very telling. To me it was so clearly a town post that anyone that saw differently must be doing so intentionally. Hence why 297 jumped out to me, as Hunt tried to dismiss it offhand as AtE. That was a super scum tell, try to discredit the obvtown (failing miserably in the process and only working to reveal his own alignment as scum). I also knew that if anyone tried to use the "oh he has inside info" argument that I would catch another scum as only they would bother going with such a low hanging fruit argument about me (as I wasnt actually a real threat at that time as I appeared to be barely even playing).
Now I had two solid scum reads and a good wagon to analyze(which I admit I havent done yet as I wanted to resolve the 1st two before looking for more actively) when the proposal that ended with Shock's death passed. Its been stated the Shock didnt really show up and just gave up. We only have the word of one obvscum and a nulltell to take though. Here is where the wheels turn and I start wonder if the two of them didnt just come up with that as plan to cover up why the only obvtown player going in ended up the lynch. That argument requires a lot of cheese so I back burnered it.
This all brings me to my Shibari proposal. I made this one for the reasons I sated previously. It was me and my top 2 scum reads. No matter how it ends its a town win. I also used this opportunity to signal Seppel. I was hoping that if he remembered some OOG stuff about me he would catch the naming hint that more than what it seems. IE that I wasnt really reading him as scum.
When we got the QT I told Seppel that I had been breadcrumbing so to speak and hoped that he had gotten the hint. I also explained to Kpaca why I was voting him. Then Xyre showed up. Now I was in a situation. I could go with Kpaca, play it off as it went down as it ended up eventually doing so but wouldnt have actually happened at the time and fingers crossed Seppel got the hints and didnt come back after missing but still being able to read the QT to call me a liar and we end up with another mislynch this time on me ......or..... I could kill off Seppel and when I got back here answer truthfully with it being my choice and I went with the person I had once called scum over the lurker who I had absolutely no read on. Seppel showed up, made it known that he had gotten my hints and was good with killing Kpaca so thats what we did.
Now we are back and Shibari is still looking the best option to me Vote Shibari
@Seppel, a lot of I was going to say in the QT hence the gap between unvoting you and revoting kpaca, I decided in the end I wanted to say it here and so limited the amount of paraphrasing I would need to due when pulling info from the QT by keeping it short and sweet there.
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Before you ask, if I ever get the impression you guys are trying to use this rule to game the system, I'm taking it away. It exists only to combat chronic lurking.
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unvote
Vote shibari
Scum has to be in there.
My vote is NaG
D_V popped up in my head as scum as soon as he did this
Feels forced and oddly placed seeing as he did not have to do that.
Dk is not cleared either. I just remembered a game where he was scum that everyone thought he was town til the end.
I forget which one, but it was a damn good game.
@dk, do you remember?
Seppel is always a null, but his reads seem strangly accurate and feels like he is scum throwing all his team mates under the bus, which i can totally see him doing.
Your quick townclear of shockwave for an rvs proposal.
Your quick push for another lynch after we sent someone to proposal
Your use of wolf instead of scum
You making me restate all these things even though you already know why.
You seem like scum to me.
Your last post you sent me to said you weren't gonna go full on "kill nyklor" because of mimdreaver being scummy.. yet here you are, going full on "kill nyklor"
THIS. I am going back and reading stuff and this....
there had to have been more to what happened in there.
Shock WAS going in swinging.
And NaG proposed it.
Please tell me you didn't copy and paste that from the QT...
And it could be a gambit to... annoy people? 1. Correctly reading someone.
2. Continuing to push nykllor's lynch instead of doing nothing for 3 days.
3. Terminology from other websites/versions of the game.
4. I just wanted to see them all together. It's a really laughable set of reasons.
Like I said, mindreaver seems better.
Maybe. I definitely hoped huntzilla would die in there.
Never thought shockwave would give up.
But I don't think dkingsland is lying.
Look at nykllor's 13 posts and ask yourself if he is more concerned with solving the game or how he looks.
Compare his backpedal off me to rodemy. Rodemy's reasons are clearly terrible, but he just keeps chugging.
nykllor was like "yeah ok youre townish" and then just kept saying I was scum.
Check out how weird he was about his vote only being for pressure.
Look at his safe interactions. His nothing impact.
If mindreaver seems better, why are you going after nyklor.. when you said you wouldn't.
Better. As in not as scummy.
Jesus i need to sleep.
Still not okay with your rush, seeing as not waiting means less votes, and not giving the surviving members of the proposal a chance to chime in.
See how that can be seen as scummy?
Try and dismiss that reasoning.
Unvote, Vote: ThisIsTheOne
@DK: Tordeck explained everything. Also I'm saying that "five of you" are town. I'm the 6th.
@Rodemy: If that were true then we would have seen some scum bodies by now. :/
I'm going to review NaG before deciding whether or not Shibari is a path to go down.
P. S. : Tordeck, I love your proposal names. <3
If NaG ever flips scum, I am instantly clearing Mindreaver and Deekus. This is just like Iso's DS9 early game fencesit.
NaG also gets into it with Nykklor, who responds in earnest. I remember saying NaG was townclearing people right and left. But with three of those options already cleared from being buddies, a NaG scumflip becomes increasingly unlikely. (But if he is, we've got this game in the bag.)
I still need a post I can point to and say "this guy's town."
Alarm bells. Potential coaching in plain sight.
Brazen.
NaG and Rodent go at it in depth. Rodemy keeps pushing, which indicates a lack of alignment pairing here. This is also where NaG says that he'd kill Megs but would like Megs to post more.
NaG also appeals to authority to ask if Rodent acts this way. Practically asking if a wagon on Rodemy could gain traction. Nope.
These next two posts are back to back:
Gross.
I. Am. Floored.
I'm done.
D_V and NaG are buddies and I will not be supporting their desire to lynch Nykklor.
I can support Kakapo if the intent is to lynch NaG. Anything that lynches D_V is great as well. As long as they aren't paired together, we should be good. (If D_V or NaG aren't lynched, then another buddy has been outed.)
Vote Kakapo
I'm going to keep reading.
>:[ i see how you really feel.
I agree with sepple, i have been wanting to lynch NaG from the beginning and i will not back down. My gut screams scum.
However, if kakapo goes to the airlock, nyklor is surely gonna die.
Seo, why did you vote it?
That's pretty slim.
I'll just quote the man of wisdom too.
I think you're just throwing out groups to have groups.
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
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