Alright. Reads are looking like this:
Town= Mindreaver, Seppel, Dota
Lean Town= NaG
Null= dking, Kpaca,Tordeck
Lean scum= Shockwave, Nyklor
Scum= DV, Rodemy
There are plenty of proposals out there already. I'm fine with getting whatever majority proposal we can going that includes two of my higher reads and someone from the bottom.
I also don't mind being thrown into one to defend myself.
Let's just get this moving with a flip
Seppel, can you point to what you thought was me defending megiddo?
Because his one post was among the wolfiest in the game and I still want to lynch him eventually. I just want more from him first.
No time to look back now, but I don't recall you saying you wanted him lynched
Why is DV scum?
And I understand not having time to look back. There's so much going on in this thread :eyeroll:
So what do you think of me once you look at my posts to see me wanting to lynch him and not defending him at all?
(Unless you count agreeing with rodemy that we should wait for him to post more, which is still true but the amount of lurking in this game is just over the top.)
I do distinctly recall you saying that we should wait for him. Also did you not see DK's(?) comment on DV?
I see so many proposals and reads lists that are just awful.
I'm on board with NaG's proposal. I've disliked Shockwave's posts most of the game, and Huntzilla's list of reads above is lazy and just too convenient. There is literally zero explanation, and except for the scum read on Rodemy he just followed all the prevailing sentiments of the last 2 pages. They can plead their cases.
I see so many proposals and reads lists that are just awful.
I'm on board with NaG's proposal. I've disliked Shockwave's posts most of the game, and Huntzilla's list of reads above is lazy and just too convenient. There is literally zero explanation, and except for the scum read on Rodemy he just followed all the prevailing sentiments of the last 2 pages. They can plead their cases.
Vote phascogale
So you don't like Hunt or Shock, yet you vote for the proposal that puts you in a room with the two of them?
@Dota: alright, at least see where the misconception came from. So let me clarify.
Someone else had just town cleared D_V. Why and who, I forget, working else I'd do it right now. The statement was to warn other players to at least be wary of him.
@Dkingsland: I'm willing to take the risk to get things moving. I think you're town, Huntz will have to prove himself town or not. If we can't decide I'll willingly take the lynch just to move things along.
I refuse to promote any proposal with meg in it until she starts posting again. One post is not enough to determine anything, and at this point i feel like it is a push for a mislynch on a lurker.
This is correct. There may come a time when we need to start lynching lurkers, but I do not believe that time is the very first proposal to pass.
But my suspicion of megiddo still stands. It is only one post, but it is decidedly not a villagery one.
If so, it is not as much about megiddo as an aside about mafia theory. The information you gain from a single post is not exactly the way to solve a game.
So yes, I would like that slot to post more.
See above.
As for DV, dota's case on him was essentially that he has been useless.
Which is, to be fair, factually accurate.
But it is not inherently wolfish. Some people are just useless. Others are busy.
Most of this game is one or both of those things. Myself included.
Is that your only reason?
Propose team DieScum: Dota, Seppel, Rodemy
Vote: team Diescum
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Why do you think this proposal would end in rodemy's lynch?
Seppel seems invested and solvy this game. Plus, there is always the added bonus that if he wants me dead, it's usually because he's town. That wasn't from before the reads list, but seems apparent after the reads list.
Dota's posts after he entered are seriously good. Look at this gem that just happened:
I see so many proposals and reads lists that are just awful.
I'm on board with NaG's proposal. I've disliked Shockwave's posts most of the game, and Huntzilla's list of reads above is lazy and just too convenient. There is literally zero explanation, and except for the scum read on Rodemy he just followed all the prevailing sentiments of the last 2 pages. They can plead their cases.
Vote phascogale
So you don't like Hunt or Shock, yet you vote for the proposal that puts you in a room with the two of them?
I don't particularly like the way that Dking was so comfortable throwing himself into a room with both Shock and I... Especially when he is suspecting both of us. And there Dota is talking some sense about it.
Of course this being my second dealing with D_V... I maybe a bit biased as to how easy it is to clear him right now.
There he goes again. Calling out the scum for not keeping their reads straight. Unvote
Propose Scumslayers: Seppel, Dota, Shockwave.
Vote Scumslayers
Yeah that's better.
To answer the last question NaG... I more hoped that justice would prevail. Is there are particular reason why it shouldn't? Did I miss something?
God, does anyone care about this game? Anyone? I have a feeling if mafia for 5 went any longer it would have had more people caring about the game and posting than this.
This is pathetic. ******* pathetic.
And right now I don't have one ******* clue how to change it. I feel like I've failed and nothing will bring one bit of noise to all this silence.
Feel like I'd look out the window now and see nothing. Even the light is dead. Someone, anyone, can you please show me you care about this!
I feel like I have half the game claiming I'm scum, but none of them can agree how to do me in. And then those claiming I'm wrong, but nothing to prove it!
God...
Then the silence.
The ******* silence! I would listen to a scream with glee, a yell with excitement, and the cackle of the insane with wonder, just to break the ******* silence!
Is anyone listening?! Are you even alive?! Does anyone care?!
...Xyre I don't blame you for this, but God, something must be done or I might lose it completely.
Alright. Reads are looking like this:
Town= Mindreaver, Seppel, Dota
Lean Town= NaG
Null= dking, Kpaca,Tordeck
Lean scum= Shockwave, Nyklor
Scum= DV, Rodemy
There are plenty of proposals out there already. I'm fine with getting whatever majority proposal we can going that includes two of my higher reads and someone from the bottom.
I also don't mind being thrown into one to defend myself.
Let's just get this moving with a flip
Wow. Someone thinks I am scum
But where did this come from? You've played with me, i know you have.
In fact, i know i have made a few good points in this game. Enough to at least spare me a D1 mislynch. And you DO realize seppel thinks i am town, right? And thinks Dota is scum? Did you actually read the game? I don't think you did.
I *ACTUALLY* like NaG's plan. So.. **** it.
unvote
Vote phascogale
Stop making new proposals. it's just getting stupid at this point.
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God, does anyone care about this game? Anyone? I have a feeling if mafia for 5 went any longer it would have had more people caring about the game and posting than this.
This is pathetic. ******* pathetic.
And right now I don't have one ******* clue how to change it. I feel like I've failed and nothing will bring one bit of noise to all this silence.
Feel like I'd look out the window now and see nothing. Even the light is dead. Someone, anyone, can you please show me you care about this!
I feel like I have half the game claiming I'm scum, but none of them can agree how to do me in. And then those claiming I'm wrong, but nothing to prove it!
God...
Then the silence.
The ******* silence! I would listen to a scream with glee, a yell with excitement, and the cackle of the insane with wonder, just to break the ******* silence!
Is anyone listening?! Are you even alive?! Does anyone care?!
...Xyre I don't blame you for this, but God, something must be done or I might lose it completely.
Deadline is set for 5pm MST 9/20. At that time, if there's no passed proposal, I'm randoming three people into a proposal automatically and immediately setting another deadline.
The phascogale wagon goes through and you, dking and Hunt get locked in a room. You say you're prepared to die to move the game along and prove you're town. If you are town, what do we learn from your flip?
@Dota That's a good question that I don't feel like I have the answer for.
It proves I'm town, but opens up a whole can of worms.
Is NaG town with good reads (personal opinion on this side) or does it mean he had insider info?
Did Dkings and Hunt agree? How quick did it happen? Did it almost go to time?
Too many questions, but it does bring up another discussion with at least one thing cleared up. And there would still be at least three more attempts to catch scum before game ends.
If you're scum then voting for phascogale is an admission of defeat. Just tell us now so we can get it done.
If you're town then you're voting for a suicide that does very little to help us win. Move your vote to a better proposal.
I actually completely disagree with your assessment here.
Shockwave is very gung ho about making something happen.
Whether he sees it as a challenge to get his scumread lynched or is a wolf trying to survive a proposal, he is decidedly not defeatist.
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We have two days left. Just pass my god damn proposal.
Look at how majestic phascogales are:
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
God, does anyone care about this game? Anyone? I have a feeling if mafia for 5 went any longer it would have had more people caring about the game and posting than this.
This is pathetic. ******* pathetic.
And right now I don't have one ******* clue how to change it. I feel like I've failed and nothing will bring one bit of noise to all this silence.
Feel like I'd look out the window now and see nothing. Even the light is dead. Someone, anyone, can you please show me you care about this!
I feel like I have half the game claiming I'm scum, but none of them can agree how to do me in. And then those claiming I'm wrong, but nothing to prove it!
God...
Then the silence.
The ******* silence! I would listen to a scream with glee, a yell with excitement, and the cackle of the insane with wonder, just to break the ******* silence!
Is anyone listening?! Are you even alive?! Does anyone care?!
...Xyre I don't blame you for this, but God, something must be done or I might lose it completely.
And Hunt just jumped to the head of the scum list.
Why didn't this post come with a vote for phascogale? I do not recall if you have stated a read on shockwave, but that proposal had to be better than a random one if huntzilla was the top of your list.
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
Propose NobodyForgotAboutYou (NFAY for short)(Tordeck, D_V, Kpaca)
I hope the plan isn't to wait until we get a result to continue. That lowered threshold is very interesting. It gives us something to think about with who we leave outside the proposals.
And Hunt just jumped to the head of the scum list.
Why didn't this post come with a vote for phascogale? I do not recall if you have stated a read on shockwave, but that proposal had to be better than a random one if huntzilla was the top of your list.
Because as I read it, it was a proposal made by a scum consisting 1 unknown, 1 scum, and 1 town with the sole intent of lynching the townie. Why the hell would I ever support that garbage when it goes completely against my wincon?
First post: give the the shot. Interesting that Shockwave wanted to be in the group deciding why dies, but overall, that's not alignmnet indicative. It's a stronger place for a scum player to be, since they know who is town and who isn't.
2nd post: Straight giberish. Only important to note that using this kind of a post to "clear" shockwave, isn't going to work. He's silly sometimes.
Post 34:As observed in the thread. This is shockwve saying "stop discussing strategy. Lol, J/K watch me discuss it some more".
Couple filler posts.
Post 56:Nag is townie lean. Mindreaver could "go either way" BUT "this isn't a solid read". Seppel is too squirrelly for him to get a read yet. I picked up on the language when addressing me specifically. To say I could go either way (saying basically I'm null atm) and then saying it's not a solid read. Solidly nothing? I don't like the langague tells here.
Post 59:Three posts later we get Shockwave's first proposal. Me, Seppel, and Kpaca. Also this line: "You demonstrating the airlock with Mindreaver?" You can go back to this post. Seppel and I have said nothing since 56. The only two posts are D_V telling him how scummy NaG is, and Rodemy saying he should justify his views in 56. Seppel had asked for malicious intent in my re-read. This is the first instance I've found. Shockwave went out of his way to say he views me as null. But here, he's directly appealing to Seppel and Kpaca to kill me. That's a drastic change.
Post 80:New proposal from shockwave. Shockwave, Kpaca, Seppel. "So much for you being town Seppel". The thing is, Seppel hasn't done much except to make a proposal with Deekus, himself, and I. He then jokes around with Rodemy about being coy and bigger blacker boxes. Certainly nothing that should really influence alignment. But here, he's clearing saying that he and Kpaca should kill Seppel.
Post 83:This post is odd. Take a look. The first half is an appeal of sorts, that shockwave isn't arrogant enough to think he *couldn't* be lynched. BUT, then goes into this "woes me, I am lynched all the time" stuff. Finally, he says he WAS townreading Seppel (which is news to the thread, since he just proposed killing him, and before that Seppel was Null); but now he's muddled. Finally he harkens back to his first post: "I want a shot at being a hero". Again, this is a position that is desirable for scum. This is the second time he's menitoned it.
Post 86:This post is in response to Rodemy. I found this off, because it's very dismissive of Rodemy's argument. "It's like you bounced in thought in the matter of time it took you to type that short bit up!" It read to me like a defense of either D_V or NaG, and I'm not sure which. Compare the reaction to...
Post 92:This time he's responding to dk's argument against deekus. Look at the contrast here. "I'll take my own look at Deekus. Also have to say now that the reason you presented isn't bad in the right context, but considering it now we have to find another reason to clear or condemn Deekus."
Post 95:I mentioned it in the thread, but this seemed like gloating to me. Otherwise, why say it?
Post 98:More discussion of Wobbegong. Shockwave likes the look of his townlean NaG, and is unsure on Meg and Seppel. He doesn't like the wagon, because he doesn't trust Rodemy and he's also not sure about D_V.
Post 107:Votes Wobbegong and advocates for the killing of Seppel/Meg. This is despite not "liking" the wagon.
tells me to come at him
Corrects Rodemy switching me and megs (regarding post 33)
Post 124:This was a strange proposal. It's so much OMGUS. Shockwave, Rodemy, Mindreaver. I suspect if this had gotten any votes, shockwave would have been dead, since he made a group with two people who were actively trying ot kill him. I scratched my head for a long time on this one. I think he truly didn't think it'd be the proposal we stuck with. Not sure what that means.
Filler filler filler.
Post 148:"Either way, AMF is a challenge to two scum reads. God, I would think I had made that much obvious by now." More than just me didn't get it I guess.
Post 158:This is an appeal to Seppel mostly, to gain his assistence in killing Megs. At this point in the game, Megs looked like a pretty good target for scum. I want to note that Shockwave, up until this point, has suspected Seppel. He has said NOTHING about megs, expect to say he's only had one post. This is oportunistic i nthe extreme.
More silly filler.
Post 171:Why the megs lynch is fine, even if he only has one post. The appeal to the thread as a whole, that we're better off with a dead inactive than a replacement pinged me hard.
More filler.
Post 218:"One earlier about his case on NaG (still think he's town, but can at least look back)." That sentence is painful to read. "I'm acting townie, and I want to make sure you guys notice". This is also where he wavers on his townread of kpaca.
Post 259:Wants to get rid of Tordeck, and backs away from Meg, now that DoTA is in and posting.
Post 265:His proposal for a 2 town/1 scum are NaG, Seppel, and Rodemy. NaG is a pretty consistent read, but Seppel isn't. So if he could kill anyone, he chose Rodemy. Again, a different target.
The rest are mostly irrelevent. Except that he's willing to go into a QT, and wants Hunt dead.
So for a recap, here are the people Shockwave has pushed to die (in chronological order): Mindreaver, Seppel, Megs, Himself?, Megs, Tordeck, Rodemy, Hunt
That's a lot of different people. A lot of those pushes seemed like either testing the waters (Rodemy, Tordeck) or settling for an easy target (Megs).
And Hunt just jumped to the head of the scum list.
Why didn't this post come with a vote for phascogale? I do not recall if you have stated a read on shockwave, but that proposal had to be better than a random one if huntzilla was the top of your list.
Because as I read it, it was a proposal made by a scum consisting 1 unknown, 1 scum, and 1 town with the sole intent of lynching the townie. Why the hell would I ever support that garbage when it goes completely against my wincon?
This is definitely something that went through my head on my shockwave re-read. I am very suspicious of NaG's motives here (and Shockwave's hard-on for him). But in that scenario we should have 2 scum involved in the kill at the least, we just have to figure out how to isolate who is to blame and who is caught in the crossfire.
I'll reserve judgment on Shockwave after we see what happens in the black box. Again, I don't see malice, even though he voted for phascogale despite claiming that he hated the reason everyone was voting it (including himself).
And Hunt just jumped to the head of the scum list.
Why didn't this post come with a vote for phascogale? I do not recall if you have stated a read on shockwave, but that proposal had to be better than a random one if huntzilla was the top of your list.
Because as I read it, it was a proposal made by a scum consisting 1 unknown, 1 scum, and 1 town with the sole intent of lynching the townie. Why the hell would I ever support that garbage when it goes completely against my wincon?
If I am scum, what is my motivation for making such a grouping?
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Town= Mindreaver, Seppel, Dota
Lean Town= NaG
Null= dking, Kpaca,Tordeck
Lean scum= Shockwave, Nyklor
Scum= DV, Rodemy
There are plenty of proposals out there already. I'm fine with getting whatever majority proposal we can going that includes two of my higher reads and someone from the bottom.
I also don't mind being thrown into one to defend myself.
Let's just get this moving with a flip
Vote: team Diescum
Sorry, been super busy the last couple days. Will post something of substance after a couple meetings I have this morning.
You're wrong on a mechanical standpoint, we have 3 mislynches before Lylo. And we always know how close we are.
My proposal for a 2 town 1 scum at the moment would be NaG, Seppel, and Rodemy, the last being scum pick
Also, where the **** did I say I've cleared D_V?! If I remember right I said I'm nervous of clearing him, not that I have!
The only game I've read of his so to speak is the game we shared! And he was the scum that few suspected!
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Unvote
Propose SHuT (Seppel, Huntzilla, Tordeck)
I do distinctly recall you saying that we should wait for him. Also did you not see DK's(?) comment on DV?
You always manage to say the worst things.
You said it here:
I'm on board with NaG's proposal. I've disliked Shockwave's posts most of the game, and Huntzilla's list of reads above is lazy and just too convenient. There is literally zero explanation, and except for the scum read on Rodemy he just followed all the prevailing sentiments of the last 2 pages. They can plead their cases.
Vote phascogale
Someone else had just town cleared D_V. Why and who, I forget, working else I'd do it right now. The statement was to warn other players to at least be wary of him.
@Dkingsland: I'm willing to take the risk to get things moving. I think you're town, Huntz will have to prove himself town or not. If we can't decide I'll willingly take the lynch just to move things along.
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The point is for me to play "kingmaker". If I end up dead, we've got two scum dead to rights.
And like I've already said, willing to take the risk.
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That response was for DotA. You ninja'ed me.
Explain to me why you think NaG is scum.
Why do you think this proposal would end in rodemy's lynch? Are you referring to:
So yes, I would like that slot to post more.
See above.
As for DV, dota's case on him was essentially that he has been useless.
Which is, to be fair, factually accurate.
But it is not inherently wolfish. Some people are just useless. Others are busy.
Most of this game is one or both of those things. Myself included.
Is that your only reason? I, too, would like to hear this explanation.
I feel I have been fantastically villagery, though I may be a bit biased.
Seppel seems invested and solvy this game. Plus, there is always the added bonus that if he wants me dead, it's usually because he's town. That wasn't from before the reads list, but seems apparent after the reads list.
Dota's posts after he entered are seriously good. Look at this gem that just happened: I don't particularly like the way that Dking was so comfortable throwing himself into a room with both Shock and I... Especially when he is suspecting both of us. And there Dota is talking some sense about it. There he goes again. Calling out the scum for not keeping their reads straight.
Unvote
Propose Scumslayers: Seppel, Dota, Shockwave.
Vote Scumslayers
Yeah that's better.
To answer the last question NaG... I more hoped that justice would prevail. Is there are particular reason why it shouldn't? Did I miss something?
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This is pathetic. ******* pathetic.
And right now I don't have one ******* clue how to change it. I feel like I've failed and nothing will bring one bit of noise to all this silence.
Feel like I'd look out the window now and see nothing. Even the light is dead. Someone, anyone, can you please show me you care about this!
I feel like I have half the game claiming I'm scum, but none of them can agree how to do me in. And then those claiming I'm wrong, but nothing to prove it!
God...
Then the silence.
The ******* silence! I would listen to a scream with glee, a yell with excitement, and the cackle of the insane with wonder, just to break the ******* silence!
Is anyone listening?! Are you even alive?! Does anyone care?!
...Xyre I don't blame you for this, but God, something must be done or I might lose it completely.
I need time, and to see if someone cares damn it.
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Wow. Someone thinks I am scum
But where did this come from? You've played with me, i know you have.
In fact, i know i have made a few good points in this game. Enough to at least spare me a D1 mislynch. And you DO realize seppel thinks i am town, right? And thinks Dota is scum? Did you actually read the game? I don't think you did.
I *ACTUALLY* like NaG's plan. So.. **** it.
unvote
Vote phascogale
Stop making new proposals. it's just getting stupid at this point.
This guy is town.
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Deadline is set for 5pm MST 9/20. At that time, if there's no passed proposal, I'm randoming three people into a proposal automatically and immediately setting another deadline.
Vote count update in the morning.
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Vote Count
(7 to pass)
phascogale: dkingsland967, Huntzilla, Shockwave07
5 - not_a_gimmick, dkingsland967, Shockwave07, Rodemy, Nykllor
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
1 - DoTArchon
Scumslayers: DoTArchon, Seppel, Shockwave07
1 - Huntzilla
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - D_V
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
1 - Seppel
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - Tordeck
AMF: Mindreaver, Rodemy, Shockwave07
1 - Mindreaver
Active Proposals
None
Valor: dkingsland967, kpaca, Shockwave07
CounterGreat: dkingsland967, Rodemy, Shockwave07
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
Nuts: kpaca, Mindreaver, Seppel
Blunt: kpaca, Seppel, Shockwave07
InNaGWeTrust: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Shockwave07
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
RVS-One: Seppel, Shockwave07, Tordeck
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The phascogale wagon goes through and you, dking and Hunt get locked in a room. You say you're prepared to die to move the game along and prove you're town. If you are town, what do we learn from your flip?
It proves I'm town, but opens up a whole can of worms.
Is NaG town with good reads (personal opinion on this side) or does it mean he had insider info?
Did Dkings and Hunt agree? How quick did it happen? Did it almost go to time?
Too many questions, but it does bring up another discussion with at least one thing cleared up. And there would still be at least three more attempts to catch scum before game ends.
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Either way I want hard info town can work with, and the two survivors from the proposal vote can talk about it.
Something has to be the catalyst of motivation.
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Like I said, I'm willing to take the risk.
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If you're town then you're voting for a suicide that does very little to help us win. Move your vote to a better proposal.
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Rodemy - 48
Seppel - 31
Mindreaver - 31
dkingsland - 18
not_a_gimmick - 18
DotArchon/KingDeekus - 18(15/3)
D_V - 16
Nykllor - 12
Tordeck - 11
kpaca - 7
Huntzilla/Megiddo - 5(4/1)
Though it is pretty rough. I actually completely disagree with your assessment here.
Shockwave is very gung ho about making something happen.
Whether he sees it as a challenge to get his scumread lynched or is a wolf trying to survive a proposal, he is decidedly not defeatist.
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We have two days left. Just pass my god damn proposal.
Look at how majestic phascogales are:
That never happens! Never!!!
Okay, it just did, but still...
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Vote Phascogale
It's the only proposal with any traction. I don't want to go to randomland... I am sure I can argue against Shock's obviously 100% scummy behavior.
Let's ******* do this.
The Family
Vote Phascogale
Very interesting idea. Choose well dk, and good luck.
Now i REALLY want to see where this goes.
That previous post was a reply to this. Oops.
(7 to pass)
phascogale: dkingsland967, Huntzilla, Shockwave07
7 - not_a_gimmick, dkingsland967, Shockwave07, Rodemy, Nykllor, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
1 - DoTArchon
Wobbegong: Huntzilla, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - D_V
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
1 - Seppel
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - Tordeck
Active Proposals
None
Valor: dkingsland967, kpaca, Shockwave07
CounterGreat: dkingsland967, Rodemy, Shockwave07
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Scumslayers: DoTArchon, Seppel, Shockwave07
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
Nuts: kpaca, Mindreaver, Seppel
Blunt: kpaca, Seppel, Shockwave07
InNaGWeTrust: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Shockwave07
AMF: Mindreaver, Rodemy, Shockwave07
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
RVS-One: Seppel, Shockwave07, Tordeck
All other votes remain active. With 9 present and alive, it takes 5 votes to pass a proposal.
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Unvote
Propose Stakeout (Seppel, Tordeck, D_V)
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Why didn't this post come with a vote for phascogale? I do not recall if you have stated a read on shockwave, but that proposal had to be better than a random one if huntzilla was the top of your list.
Propose NobodyForgotAboutYou (NFAY for short)(Tordeck, D_V, Kpaca)
I hope the plan isn't to wait until we get a result to continue. That lowered threshold is very interesting. It gives us something to think about with who we leave outside the proposals.
The Family
First post: give the the shot. Interesting that Shockwave wanted to be in the group deciding why dies, but overall, that's not alignmnet indicative. It's a stronger place for a scum player to be, since they know who is town and who isn't.
2nd post: Straight giberish. Only important to note that using this kind of a post to "clear" shockwave, isn't going to work. He's silly sometimes.
Post 34:As observed in the thread. This is shockwve saying "stop discussing strategy. Lol, J/K watch me discuss it some more".
Couple filler posts.
Post 56:Nag is townie lean. Mindreaver could "go either way" BUT "this isn't a solid read". Seppel is too squirrelly for him to get a read yet. I picked up on the language when addressing me specifically. To say I could go either way (saying basically I'm null atm) and then saying it's not a solid read. Solidly nothing? I don't like the langague tells here.
Post 59:Three posts later we get Shockwave's first proposal. Me, Seppel, and Kpaca. Also this line: "You demonstrating the airlock with Mindreaver?" You can go back to this post. Seppel and I have said nothing since 56. The only two posts are D_V telling him how scummy NaG is, and Rodemy saying he should justify his views in 56. Seppel had asked for malicious intent in my re-read. This is the first instance I've found. Shockwave went out of his way to say he views me as null. But here, he's directly appealing to Seppel and Kpaca to kill me. That's a drastic change.
Post 80:New proposal from shockwave. Shockwave, Kpaca, Seppel. "So much for you being town Seppel". The thing is, Seppel hasn't done much except to make a proposal with Deekus, himself, and I. He then jokes around with Rodemy about being coy and bigger blacker boxes. Certainly nothing that should really influence alignment. But here, he's clearing saying that he and Kpaca should kill Seppel.
Post 83:This post is odd. Take a look. The first half is an appeal of sorts, that shockwave isn't arrogant enough to think he *couldn't* be lynched. BUT, then goes into this "woes me, I am lynched all the time" stuff. Finally, he says he WAS townreading Seppel (which is news to the thread, since he just proposed killing him, and before that Seppel was Null); but now he's muddled. Finally he harkens back to his first post: "I want a shot at being a hero". Again, this is a position that is desirable for scum. This is the second time he's menitoned it.
Post 86:This post is in response to Rodemy. I found this off, because it's very dismissive of Rodemy's argument. "It's like you bounced in thought in the matter of time it took you to type that short bit up!" It read to me like a defense of either D_V or NaG, and I'm not sure which. Compare the reaction to...
Post 92:This time he's responding to dk's argument against deekus. Look at the contrast here. "I'll take my own look at Deekus. Also have to say now that the reason you presented isn't bad in the right context, but considering it now we have to find another reason to clear or condemn Deekus."
Post 95:I mentioned it in the thread, but this seemed like gloating to me. Otherwise, why say it?
Post 98:More discussion of Wobbegong. Shockwave likes the look of his townlean NaG, and is unsure on Meg and Seppel. He doesn't like the wagon, because he doesn't trust Rodemy and he's also not sure about D_V.
Post 107:Votes Wobbegong and advocates for the killing of Seppel/Meg. This is despite not "liking" the wagon.
tells me to come at him
Corrects Rodemy switching me and megs (regarding post 33)
Post 124:This was a strange proposal. It's so much OMGUS. Shockwave, Rodemy, Mindreaver. I suspect if this had gotten any votes, shockwave would have been dead, since he made a group with two people who were actively trying ot kill him. I scratched my head for a long time on this one. I think he truly didn't think it'd be the proposal we stuck with. Not sure what that means.
Filler filler filler.
Post 148:"Either way, AMF is a challenge to two scum reads. God, I would think I had made that much obvious by now." More than just me didn't get it I guess.
Post 158:This is an appeal to Seppel mostly, to gain his assistence in killing Megs. At this point in the game, Megs looked like a pretty good target for scum. I want to note that Shockwave, up until this point, has suspected Seppel. He has said NOTHING about megs, expect to say he's only had one post. This is oportunistic i nthe extreme.
More silly filler.
Post 171:Why the megs lynch is fine, even if he only has one post. The appeal to the thread as a whole, that we're better off with a dead inactive than a replacement pinged me hard.
More filler.
Post 218:"One earlier about his case on NaG (still think he's town, but can at least look back)." That sentence is painful to read. "I'm acting townie, and I want to make sure you guys notice". This is also where he wavers on his townread of kpaca.
Post 259:Wants to get rid of Tordeck, and backs away from Meg, now that DoTA is in and posting.
Post 265:His proposal for a 2 town/1 scum are NaG, Seppel, and Rodemy. NaG is a pretty consistent read, but Seppel isn't. So if he could kill anyone, he chose Rodemy. Again, a different target.
The rest are mostly irrelevent. Except that he's willing to go into a QT, and wants Hunt dead.
So for a recap, here are the people Shockwave has pushed to die (in chronological order): Mindreaver, Seppel, Megs, Himself?, Megs, Tordeck, Rodemy, Hunt
That's a lot of different people. A lot of those pushes seemed like either testing the waters (Rodemy, Tordeck) or settling for an easy target (Megs).
Also, for what it's worth:
This is definitely something that went through my head on my shockwave re-read. I am very suspicious of NaG's motives here (and Shockwave's hard-on for him). But in that scenario we should have 2 scum involved in the kill at the least, we just have to figure out how to isolate who is to blame and who is caught in the crossfire.