But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
I like Tammy. I was definitely a bit confused as to how I got super town cleared so quickly. You guys aren't wrong, and I can see the logic of "mafia would know they are mafia and don't care how the conditions are worded". Just seemed fast to me, and I like Tammy for agreeing.
But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
I like Tammy. I was definitely a bit confused as to how I got super town cleared so quickly. You guys aren't wrong, and I can see the logic of "mafia would know they are mafia and don't care how the conditions are worded". Just seemed fast to me, and I like Tammy for agreeing.
You went looking for scum mindsets and found...nothing? And by "nothing," I mean nothing vote-worthy.
That's correct. I went through and noted everything that stood out to me. Nothing that made me want to vote. I think there is a case against Tammy and she possibly slipped but as I mentioned her defensiveness gives me some cause for trepidation based on how I've felt in similar situations early in games.
I have some ideas on what has stuck out to me. Some of which has already been discussed but I'll throw out the people that I took attention to on my initial read. I looked for scum mindset on this first pass. Not giving out any town passes yet.
For Tom posts #21 and #27 are going toward claiming which sticks me as out of character as I've seen him argue till his face was red saying that claiming is bad, pointless, etc. So this at least perks my interest as behavior I haven't seen in my games with Tom. #66 Nacho also noted but I wanted to mention that it also stood out to me. If you have "strong opinions" on alignment then you should be ready for some form of T/S list so it does come across as inconsistent for Tom to say he's not ready. #71 He votes Fable and wants a claim. Very aggressive, and again he's into drawing out claims again. I just haven't seen this before from Tom.
For Seppel- I think The Baconator is the most suspect of the name claims. They could all be real so this isn't a huge point to me but if there was a mod reveal that one of the claimed names was fake I would pick this one. And Seppel lies in most of the games I've played with him in so there is that. #82 Votes Tammy on the "we are all pigs" sentiment, which I sort of like, though I'm not familiar if Tammy is a push over or not. It seems like it could either be a sweet catch or a bad mislynch. More on Tammy below.
Vaimes #43 Seems like fluff. I'm not seeing much else that I don't like.
Fable #70 Is fluff too.
Tammy #55 Looking for the bad pigs. What? #58 Why is she confused? I'm confused on what she is confused about. Says she didn't read the Mafia win-con. That's a little gross. #62 Says we are all pigs. #79 Starts coming across as very defensive and says "you guys" threw the game to the scum last time for voting people for silly reasons. First off, who does "you guys" refer to? In addition, What were the silly reasons? Give me some concrete examples that somehow relate to this current situation. #85 votes Seppel sort of OMGUS, but I can understand this also being town feeling that they are getting picked on unfairly. I've felt that way before as well. #87 Claims people aren't playing Mafia. Not sure what she means by this. #89 She says that she thinks everyone has a pig-pun name so name-gaming is pointless but she has asked multiple times for people to name-claim for her “theory”.
So that's where I'm at so far.
Tammy seems like she may have made some slips already, but I'm not confident on that because again, I see some of myself in her defensive posts.
Tom seems different for the reasons I stated about. Maybe he's finally taken to claims? Still I want to keep an eye on him.
Scum?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Everyone else is either a townlean or they haven't really made an impact on me.
You don't get to just say you don't like my last post.
What parts didn't you like? Why didn't you like those specific parts?
Actually what was there to even dislike? You asked me a yes or no question and I answered it as clearly as possible. I looked for scum tells found some things that looked different from past games with Tom, picked up a couple fluff posts, and am confused on Tammy. I mean, it comes across really strange for you to not only challenge that I don't have a vote when I made it clear that I don't have a strong scum read and then when I verify that in regard to your follow up you dismiss it saying you don't like it.
I have some ideas on what has stuck out to me. Some of which has already been discussed but I'll throw out the people that I took attention to on my initial read. I looked for scum mindset on this first pass. Not giving out any town passes yet.
For Tom posts #21 and #27 are going toward claiming which sticks me as out of character as I've seen him argue till his face was red saying that claiming is bad, pointless, etc. So this at least perks my interest as behavior I haven't seen in my games with Tom. #66 Nacho also noted but I wanted to mention that it also stood out to me. If you have "strong opinions" on alignment then you should be ready for some form of T/S list so it does come across as inconsistent for Tom to say he's not ready. #71 He votes Fable and wants a claim. Very aggressive, and again he's into drawing out claims again. I just haven't seen this before from Tom.
For Seppel- I think The Baconator is the most suspect of the name claims. They could all be real so this isn't a huge point to me but if there was a mod reveal that one of the claimed names was fake I would pick this one. And Seppel lies in most of the games I've played with him in so there is that. #82 Votes Tammy on the "we are all pigs" sentiment, which I sort of like, though I'm not familiar if Tammy is a push over or not. It seems like it could either be a sweet catch or a bad mislynch. More on Tammy below.
Vaimes #43 Seems like fluff. I'm not seeing much else that I don't like.
Fable #70 Is fluff too.
Tammy #55 Looking for the bad pigs. What? #58 Why is she confused? I'm confused on what she is confused about. Says she didn't read the Mafia win-con. That's a little gross. #62 Says we are all pigs. #79 Starts coming across as very defensive and says "you guys" threw the game to the scum last time for voting people for silly reasons. First off, who does "you guys" refer to? In addition, What were the silly reasons? Give me some concrete examples that somehow relate to this current situation. #85 votes Seppel sort of OMGUS, but I can understand this also being town feeling that they are getting picked on unfairly. I've felt that way before as well. #87 Claims people aren't playing Mafia. Not sure what she means by this. #89 She says that she thinks everyone has a pig-pun name so name-gaming is pointless but she has asked multiple times for people to name-claim for her “theory”.
So that's where I'm at so far.
Tammy seems like she may have made some slips already, but I'm not confident on that because again, I see some of myself in her defensive posts.
Tom seems different for the reasons I stated about. Maybe he's finally taken to claims? Still I want to keep an eye on him.
Scum?
You've now linked two player's posts with the word "scum?"
This is blatantly testing the waters. If you think someone might be scum don't be lazy. Make your case. Why is Hunt scum, Why am I scum?
The part where you went looking for scum motivation and nothing happened? Looks like busy work. I know you can do better, so why aren't you?
It's 2016 and I still don't understand why people are afraid of using their votes.................when you can change them................whenever you want................
Also, calm down. I'd like to make it through an entire game with you without either of us losing our minds.
Tammy (#79): Context matters as much as content. Tomsloger and Matowar both reacted within a fairly short time frame and had no one they could parrot, which reduces the chance of them being non-genuine. This obviously doesn't mean they should be cleared forever and ever (at least it should be obvious). What people did that was silly in whichever game you are referring to was not to clear each other without caution, it was to not reevaluate reads in light of more solid evidence.
You could also realize you're being silly for attacking me for not knowing the mafia win condition, but hey!
Didn't you mean the town win condition? I don't care for the mafia one.
Anyway, Unvote.
You seem like you are under pressure, which is odd considering there's, what, two votes on you? You are hardly in any danger. Were you new I'd have interpreted that as a classic newb-scum-tripping-over-herself tell, but you're not so I don't know what to make of it. That said you did get attacked for your very first post, which sucks. I'm unvoting because I want to watch what you can do when you can spread your wings and take the initiative.
You'll have to deal with Seppel on your own, though.
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Yes, nacho is it mormal?
I didn't read any win condition at the time. The most I did was wake up, look at my role on. Yay town. Hmm po rinds, those re pretty good. We must be names of stuff you make with pigs, hmm cute. figured we were looking for the bad pigs, three little pigs. I thought you were referring to the lack of flavor in our role pms, made a bacon joke as I wanted bacon.
Didn't realize there was some incongruity in the win conditions until someone said it was backwards and ISO clarified.
I think that making any assumption of alignment based on reaction/confusion to the win conditions is suspect and dangerous. I think we all have pig pun names, which would make any confusion look genuine and doubly so when it's asked. to be discussed. I'd say if someone volunteered that without a prompt it would carry more weight, but should still be approached with caution as it could have been planned.
For instance seppel's insistence that he's obv not pig because his name is baconactor is suspect. And I think he's going after me because he thinks it's easy. He's not the first person to come after me for not reading or understanding the setup and he probably won't be the last.
Well considering in that game where they cleared people for dumb stuff and when I pointed it out and tried to solve the game I got suspected and almost lynched for not falling in line with everyone else and narrow the suspect pool, my confidence in town not reassessing g is not that high.
The part where you went looking for scum motivation and nothing happened? Looks like busy work. I know you can do better, so why aren't you?
It's 2016 and I still don't understand why people are afraid of using their votes.................when you can change them................whenever you want................
Also, calm down. I'd like to make it through an entire game with you without either of us losing our minds.
Something did happen, I have some clues to work with. I don't think you should try to foster an environment where people feel pressured to vote. I'll vote when I feel like voting. I have no reason to slap a vote on someone right now. Would you prefer I role a d20? A bit obtuse.
Just seems like you are purposely trying to get on my nerves which I can't understand.
The part where you went looking for scum motivation and nothing happened? Looks like busy work. I know you can do better, so why aren't you?
It's 2016 and I still don't understand why people are afraid of using their votes.................when you can change them................whenever you want................
Also, calm down. I'd like to make it through an entire game with you without either of us losing our minds.
Something did happen, I have some clues to work with. I don't think you should try to foster an environment where people feel pressured to vote. I'll vote when I feel like voting. I have no reason to slap a vote on someone right now. Would you prefer I role a d20? A bit obtuse.
Just seems like you are purposely trying to get on my nerves which I can't understand.
Why not? What are the benefits of holding onto your vote? Serious question.
I think you're overreacting here. You shouldn't view being scumread as a personal attack, or as someone trying to bug you.
In the interest of nipping this conversation in the bud, because I totally know where it's going (the answer is "south"), how about we stop interacting with each other for a bit?
The part where you went looking for scum motivation and nothing happened? Looks like busy work. I know you can do better, so why aren't you?
It's 2016 and I still don't understand why people are afraid of using their votes.................when you can change them................whenever you want................
Also, calm down. I'd like to make it through an entire game with you without either of us losing our minds.
Something did happen, I have some clues to work with. I don't think you should try to foster an environment where people feel pressured to vote. I'll vote when I feel like voting. I have no reason to slap a vote on someone right now. Would you prefer I role a d20? A bit obtuse.
Just seems like you are purposely trying to get on my nerves which I can't understand.
Why not? What are the benefits of holding onto your vote? Serious question.
I think you're overreacting here. You shouldn't view being scumread as a personal attack, or as someone trying to bug you.
I'm not holding back. Which I've explained rather clearly. I don't have a strong enough scum read that I want to throw out a vote. I will likely put my vote on someone I want to pressure. But for now I've got what I think are the most important clues and I'll try to reread for towny stuff.
"You aren't cool if you don't throw your vote out asap man," Vaimes 2016
#82 Votes Tammy on the "we are all pigs" sentiment, which I sort of like, though I'm not familiar if Tammy is a push over or not. It seems like it could either be a sweet catch or a bad mislynch. More on Tammy below.
I'm not a pushover, but most people on this site probably don't know that, and scum love to push on me for terrible reasons regardless. I think anyone with half a brain and not just trying to push me for something easy would recognize that I'm referring to the pig-pun names. And for what it's worth, i'm still thinking of us all as pigs.
The biggest sweet thing that anyone caught is that I didn't read the intro stuff. Well done, good job! I'm a dumbass.
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Tammy #55 Looking for the bad pigs. What? #58 Why is she confused? I'm confused on what she is confused about. Says she didn't read the Mafia win-con. That's a little gross. #62 Says we are all pigs. #79 Starts coming across as very defensive and says "you guys" threw the game to the scum last time for voting people for silly reasons. First off, who does "you guys" refer to? In addition, What were the silly reasons? Give me some concrete examples that somehow relate to this current situation. #85 votes Seppel sort of OMGUS, but I can understand this also being town feeling that they are getting picked on unfairly. I've felt that way before as well. #87 Claims people aren't playing Mafia. Not sure what she means by this. #89 She says that she thinks everyone has a pig-pun name so name-gaming is pointless but she has asked multiple times for people to name-claim for her “theory”.
I explained some of this earlier, but I did not read the win conditions. I made an assumption based on the title of the game and my role name. I didn't read any win conditions when the original discussion was made. I thought zedork was voting me for not knowing the mafia win condition. In the last game I played here seppel had everyone claim because it was really super important and he was going to break the game. People then got cleared for dumb reasons and when I tried to reassess at the end of the game, nobody listened to me because everyone was cleared for dumb reasons and we lost the game. I'm seeing the beginning of that trend here. That's not playing mafia. That's both playing outguess the mod, who I doubt is so dumb to leave a setup easily broken like that and is hiding behind setup and names in order to look busy. I wanted people to name claim for my theory to show that clearing people based on their confusion over the setup and win cons is stupid. If we all have pig-puns then reaction to win conditions mean nothing and then we can get to actual mafia playing where we do actual scum hunting and not clearing people based on stupid stuff and let scum win because oh hey hey something something setup.
Where? You don't look like you're playing mafia to me. Looks like semantic hoo ha to me.
I don't think you'r that dense. I don't think a town you accusing someone for having a sketchy lack of reaction when they're not in the thread. I don't think a town you doesn't recognize i'm talking about everyone having a pig pun name therefore the beginning of the game clearance is stupid and goes i'm not a pig. I notice that you passed on discussing the "confusion" every one had. I don't think a town you thinks that someone who doesn't know what's going on is actually scummy.
I think you're an opportunistic pig!
Nice try, but my name is definitely anti-pig, so I could tell exactly where the conversation was going, which was why I wanted to step back and see who would fall on their face.
Axelrod - Town. What scum looks at their falseclaim name and says, "I don't get the pun in it"? That's just one degree beyond my belief. P. S.: Love the name.
Incidentally, what's your assumption here? The Mafia have "Wolf" names but have been given Piggy-pun false-names? Or the Mafia just have piggy-pun names too?
I understand the theory that the Mafia wouldn't know right out the gate that the Town all have piggy-sounding pun names, and wouldn't just start talking about how their names make no sense, but where would false claims come into it in that case? If the scum were specifically given false claims, then it shouldn't be a surprise to them at all, would it?
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING
(Also the mafia wouldn't have "wolf" names because they're actual pigs, right? I just read the sign up flavor and the game makes so much more sense now.)
Townreads on tom are too easy. I distinctly remember Iso crying about him pretty much scumclaiming several times in Stargate and getting away with it for literally months. I don't understand any of his votes.
Tammy is fluffy and defensive and is, in fact, OMGUS'ing.
I'd like to see Matowar scumhunt so he can either clear himself or spill who his teammates are. A bit OOG, but ditto tom's request for him to participate more.
Didn't really like TS' last post.
Everyone else is either a townlean or they haven't really made an impact on me.
What's wrong with my defensiveness and do you see something wrong with my attack on seppel? Also is OMGUS a scum tell?
I like zedork and tapping stones for completely self-absorbed reasons. I think I'm a really easy push/mislynch this game because loldidn't read the wincon or setup. I think it would be really easy to just push that on auto-pilot. I have some lingering concern that zedork is a clever scum who setup the discussion about the lack of flavor to look cleared, but if he was going to go that avenue hard core why draw back a bit and recognize that maybe I'm just annoyed at getting pushed for making a bacon joke at the start of the game. Tapping stones I like because he actually looks like he's trying to figure me out. Feels genuine.
You've now linked two player's posts with the word "scum?"
This is blatantly testing the waters. If you think someone might be scum don't be lazy. Make your case. Why is Hunt scum, Why am I scum?
Waters are being tested. Oh yes, yes they are. And the temperature is....warm!
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Axelrod - Town. What scum looks at their falseclaim name and says, "I don't get the pun in it"? That's just one degree beyond my belief. P. S.: Love the name.
Incidentally, what's your assumption here? The Mafia have "Wolf" names but have been given Piggy-pun false-names? Or the Mafia just have piggy-pun names too?
I understand the theory that the Mafia wouldn't know right out the gate that the Town all have piggy-sounding pun names, and wouldn't just start talking about how their names make no sense, but where would false claims come into it in that case? If the scum were specifically given false claims, then it shouldn't be a surprise to them at all, would it?
Wow, that's a good point! I was kind of guessing that the mafia would have names that were pro-pig, neutral, or even just "PIG 1" "PIG 2" "PIG 3" in the spirit of Rat Race Mafia, which coincidentally had people also not understanding what side they were on.
Also, RE:Vaimes/TS. Gee, Vaimes seems to pick fights early (off the grid with KillJoy, educate yoself). Not an indicator either way. And TS is TS, and I don't see anything telling there either.
Also, RE:Vaimes/TS. Gee, Vaimes seems to pick fights early (off the grid with KillJoy, educate yoself). Not an indicator either way. And TS is TS, and I don't see anything telling there either.
I know I'm biased because he's my favorite, but vaimes doesn't really pick the fights so much as allow himself to be drawn in.
But I agree its not really alignment indicative for either of them
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, RE:Vaimes/TS. Gee, Vaimes seems to pick fights early (off the grid with KillJoy, educate yoself). Not an indicator either way. And TS is TS, and I don't see anything telling there either.
I know I'm biased because he's my favorite, but vaimes doesn't really pick the fights so much as allow himself to be drawn in.
But I agree its not really alignment indicative for either of them
The way I read that, Vaimes went after TS for not voting (#99), then didn't like his response (#107), then said "Hesitation doesn't beseem you" (I don't think that means what you think it means) (#109), then #117 again for busy work/not voting, then says TS is overreacting (lol, this is TS we're talking about) (#124), then drops it (#125).
Again, I don't see any real way to read that other than Vaimes intentionally picking a fight to stir the pot. Which I've seen him do before as town. Not that I'd clear him, per se. But he was definitely the aggressor. He wasn't "drawn in".
And TS is TS, and I don't see anything telling there either.
TS is TS, is that like Seppel is Seppel?
It means that you both do certain actions that, coming from somebody else, might be alignment indicative. But when you take the source into account, it's known to be likely to come from town as well as scum.
For instance, if Tammy claimed she was misrepped at least 5 times in as many pages, I might consider that a scumtell. I don't hold you to the same standard, or else I'd have to push for your lynch in every game
I found that exchange to well within your town wheelhouse. Same with Vaimes.
And TS is TS, and I don't see anything telling there either.
TS is TS, is that like Seppel is Seppel?
It means that you both do certain actions that, coming from somebody else, might be alignment indicative. But when you take the source into account, it's known to be likely to come from town as well as scum.
For instance, if Tammy claimed she was misrepped at least 5 times in as many pages, I might consider that a scumtell. I don't hold you to the same standard, or else I'd have to push for your lynch in every game
I found that exchange to well within your town wheelhouse. Same with Vaimes.
Yeah, I'm never really sure what leads people to make their reads on me. It usually seems wishy washy to me. Like in other games I'm playing in people scum read me for literal nothing and sit around waiting for me to post instead of scum hunting or holding others to the same standards they hold me to. I think it's strange that people pick and choose when they are going to meta me.
Thank you! I like you too!
Just an S list for now.
Hesitation doesn't beseem you.
Scum?
Unvote
Vote Tammy
choo choo
I like you.
Buddying me won't work.
You don't get to just say you don't like my last post.
What parts didn't you like? Why didn't you like those specific parts?
Actually what was there to even dislike? You asked me a yes or no question and I answered it as clearly as possible. I looked for scum tells found some things that looked different from past games with Tom, picked up a couple fluff posts, and am confused on Tammy. I mean, it comes across really strange for you to not only challenge that I don't have a vote when I made it clear that I don't have a strong scum read and then when I verify that in regard to your follow up you dismiss it saying you don't like it.
Bite me.
You've now linked two player's posts with the word "scum?"
This is blatantly testing the waters. If you think someone might be scum don't be lazy. Make your case. Why is Hunt scum, Why am I scum?
It's 2016 and I still don't understand why people are afraid of using their votes.................when you can change them................whenever you want................
Also, calm down. I'd like to make it through an entire game with you without either of us losing our minds.
it totally works.
Yes, nacho is it mormal?
I didn't read any win condition at the time. The most I did was wake up, look at my role on. Yay town. Hmm po rinds, those re pretty good. We must be names of stuff you make with pigs, hmm cute. figured we were looking for the bad pigs, three little pigs. I thought you were referring to the lack of flavor in our role pms, made a bacon joke as I wanted bacon.
Didn't realize there was some incongruity in the win conditions until someone said it was backwards and ISO clarified.
I think that making any assumption of alignment based on reaction/confusion to the win conditions is suspect and dangerous. I think we all have pig pun names, which would make any confusion look genuine and doubly so when it's asked. to be discussed. I'd say if someone volunteered that without a prompt it would carry more weight, but should still be approached with caution as it could have been planned.
For instance seppel's insistence that he's obv not pig because his name is baconactor is suspect. And I think he's going after me because he thinks it's easy. He's not the first person to come after me for not reading or understanding the setup and he probably won't be the last.
Well considering in that game where they cleared people for dumb stuff and when I pointed it out and tried to solve the game I got suspected and almost lynched for not falling in line with everyone else and narrow the suspect pool, my confidence in town not reassessing g is not that high.
Something did happen, I have some clues to work with. I don't think you should try to foster an environment where people feel pressured to vote. I'll vote when I feel like voting. I have no reason to slap a vote on someone right now. Would you prefer I role a d20? A bit obtuse.
Just seems like you are purposely trying to get on my nerves which I can't understand.
that always place your vote thing is very much a site culture thing.
you would hate vaimes' home site.
Proph is also really obtuse about that. It's a silly dogma.
Why not? What are the benefits of holding onto your vote? Serious question.
I think you're overreacting here. You shouldn't view being scumread as a personal attack, or as someone trying to bug you.
I'm not holding back. Which I've explained rather clearly. I don't have a strong enough scum read that I want to throw out a vote. I will likely put my vote on someone I want to pressure. But for now I've got what I think are the most important clues and I'll try to reread for towny stuff.
"You aren't cool if you don't throw your vote out asap man," Vaimes 2016
tom, Tammy, Axel: tell me what you think of TS' last couple of posts.
need more input.
I'm not a pushover, but most people on this site probably don't know that, and scum love to push on me for terrible reasons regardless. I think anyone with half a brain and not just trying to push me for something easy would recognize that I'm referring to the pig-pun names. And for what it's worth, i'm still thinking of us all as pigs.
The biggest sweet thing that anyone caught is that I didn't read the intro stuff. Well done, good job! I'm a dumbass.
I explained some of this earlier, but I did not read the win conditions. I made an assumption based on the title of the game and my role name. I didn't read any win conditions when the original discussion was made. I thought zedork was voting me for not knowing the mafia win condition. In the last game I played here seppel had everyone claim because it was really super important and he was going to break the game. People then got cleared for dumb reasons and when I tried to reassess at the end of the game, nobody listened to me because everyone was cleared for dumb reasons and we lost the game. I'm seeing the beginning of that trend here. That's not playing mafia. That's both playing outguess the mod, who I doubt is so dumb to leave a setup easily broken like that and is hiding behind setup and names in order to look busy. I wanted people to name claim for my theory to show that clearing people based on their confusion over the setup and win cons is stupid. If we all have pig-puns then reaction to win conditions mean nothing and then we can get to actual mafia playing where we do actual scum hunting and not clearing people based on stupid stuff and let scum win because oh hey hey something something setup.
All your proving is that scum have fake claims.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING
(Also the mafia wouldn't have "wolf" names because they're actual pigs, right? I just read the sign up flavor and the game makes so much more sense now.)
But seppel's assumption is weird here though too.
What's wrong with my defensiveness and do you see something wrong with my attack on seppel? Also is OMGUS a scum tell?
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Is it that I called myself town or...
What don't you like about Tapping stones?
seppel is scum.
that is all i have for now
Waters are being tested. Oh yes, yes they are. And the temperature is....warm!
VOTE:Axelrod Scum?
Unvote, vote Matowar
Wow, that's a good point! I was kind of guessing that the mafia would have names that were pro-pig, neutral, or even just "PIG 1" "PIG 2" "PIG 3" in the spirit of Rat Race Mafia, which coincidentally had people also not understanding what side they were on.
Wha?
Unvote, Vote Matowar
You should both be offended.
For being fluff central and having a fake name claim.
Also I'm clearing Tammy so come at me you scublords.
You know one of these days I am going to remember to write the word vote when I vote for someone.
Imagine if I could remember to write the word vote and bold my vote at the same time. That would be amazing.
This is why I'm going to the eye doctor tomorrow.
Sounds good. Lets talk about why you are less interested in sharing your thoughts and more interested in what other people think.
But I agree its not really alignment indicative for either of them
ZeDorkSlipeur (1): Axelrod
Tammy (1): Vaimes
Fable07 (1): tomsloger
Seppel (2): Tammy, Fable07
Axelrod (1): TappingStones
Matowar77 (2): Seppel, Mindreaver
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The way I read that, Vaimes went after TS for not voting (#99), then didn't like his response (#107), then said "Hesitation doesn't beseem you" (I don't think that means what you think it means) (#109), then #117 again for busy work/not voting, then says TS is overreacting (lol, this is TS we're talking about) (#124), then drops it (#125).
Again, I don't see any real way to read that other than Vaimes intentionally picking a fight to stir the pot. Which I've seen him do before as town. Not that I'd clear him, per se. But he was definitely the aggressor. He wasn't "drawn in".
TS is TS, is that like Seppel is Seppel?
It means that you both do certain actions that, coming from somebody else, might be alignment indicative. But when you take the source into account, it's known to be likely to come from town as well as scum.
For instance, if Tammy claimed she was misrepped at least 5 times in as many pages, I might consider that a scumtell. I don't hold you to the same standard, or else I'd have to push for your lynch in every game
I found that exchange to well within your town wheelhouse. Same with Vaimes.
Yeah, I'm never really sure what leads people to make their reads on me. It usually seems wishy washy to me. Like in other games I'm playing in people scum read me for literal nothing and sit around waiting for me to post instead of scum hunting or holding others to the same standards they hold me to. I think it's strange that people pick and choose when they are going to meta me.
"bite me" is a little more hostile and a little less condescending.
noted. do tell