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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay now i don't know which I like the least proph and tom scumreading each other in what looks like a bussapalooza, but Tom's still not voting Proph.
tom - why did you vote no lynch yesterday???
OR Vaimes and proph being all let's wait and see if the motivation runs out of either of them, but gee they look fine lalalalalalalala
and then there's zds going Tom's fine y'all not gonna fight for it yo let's vote vaimes or proph with a side of hey the un cc'd cop is probably scum too!
How the heck do people have TOO many town reads here???
and then there's zds going Tom's fine y'all not gonna fight for it yo let's vote vaimes or proph with a side of hey the un cc'd cop is probably scum too!
"but hey don't strongarm things nacho.
not ******* cool."
Axelrod, I'm really grateful for the time you spend on the Tom post, and regardless of the conclusion you come to the end, and will give a proper response to it when I'm done being a petulant child. But first, ZDS's recent posting deserves a small dose of a petulant child.
Nachomamma (#1132): Prophylaxis had three not-town reads: on you, on Tammy, and on Matowar. Out of these three not-town reads, he chooses to vote the player who was AWOL, and gives no sign of wanting to pressure the two who weren't (the most he does is ask some long-term oriented questions, of no immediate consequence). Does that make sense to you?
Also, can you let Prophylaxis defend himself on his own like the big boy he is? You getting in the way is not going to change the mind of anyone unwilling to vote tomslogger, you know.
Last thing: if Prophylaxis is scum, I highly doubt you are, based on how he has interacted with you. So tone down the bravado and the taunting.
Proph and I had a pretty large discussion where he talked about how he had too many townreads and he knew he had too many townreads and he kept looking at the pool of townreads he had and didn't know what to do. And in that sort of situation, it seems pretty natural to me for someone to vote the guy who has done absolutely nothing as opposed to two people who have done things that look vaguely town and could be counted on to produce later in the day. I don't really think that someone voting someone who is not around over people who are around is a big deal? Like whenever you're working with POE isn't the person who isn't doing jack ***** typically a good vote?
I will be pestering people who are voting Proph as long as I believe that Proph is town. There is no way in hell that I'm letting Tom push through a Proph lynch with his nebulous bull***** reasons that no one blinks twice at. TS was town in his entrance and I thought that Proph's entrance (you know, the entrance everyone loved and thought was super town?) was also strong. I don't know why people are tossing it aside now because he didn't vote in the order that they were expecting.
I'm not sure why you reassuring me that I'm not scum if Proph is scum (when I don't think Proph is scum) is supposed to reassure me or calm down this petulant child vibe I'm currently owning. If you want me to calm down with the bravado, the taunting, all you need to do is step up with the gamesolving and I will be the pleasantest pheasant you've ever seen.
Re #1143, are you seriously saying the reason you believe Citric's claim is because of meta-mod-gaming? When you were in GoldenEye in which the same lovely mod took drastic precautions against mod-gaming?
Other people than Prophylaxis: Regarding the above, I'd like to know who (like me) thinks Prophylaxis found himself an easy excuse to town-clear CitricBase, and who thinks he makes a sound and non-hypocritical argument. Please refer to the post-game of GoldenEye if you need to, as a recent example of the relation between Iso and mod-gaming. Please do not answer neutrally or with wishy-washiness.
Do I think that assuming that Iso put an investigative role in the game is a "sound and non-hypocritical argument"? Yes.
That was a slimy, slimy way to present an argument.
Nachomamma, Seppel: Stop trying to strong-arm people into voting who you want. This isn't going to work with this player-base.
I will probably continuing playing the game like this for a little while longer.
At least until Tom is lynched.
Tom - why did you post the notes then? Did you finish with your reread? If so, what were the conclusions you said you'd present when done? Crap I had another question for you but I can't remember it right now. Tomorrow.
Was that really pressure though? If youre going to be scumreading tammy right now, it should be for lashing out against the easy townclears.
Also disclaimer: I've read some vaimes scum games. Everyone on DLP says he's the easiest to read in the world, but I seem to be completely blind to it.
So I'm gonna leave the vaimes catching to you guys. If he's scum, figure it out soon so I'm not too invested.
I mostly like fable's w/p list.
vote seppel
ill explain later.
Huh. I missed that.
Tom - can you explain the bolded?
ok, i skimmed to find it.
this was more of me trying to get reactions from people about you after your entrance.
ive accepted now this wasnt a good approach, but whatever.
Tom - why did you post the notes then? Did you finish with your reread? If so, what were the conclusions you said you'd present when done? Crap I had another question for you but I can't remember it right now. Tomorrow.
i posted the notes because they were open when i saw day started.
i did continue, but since no one wanted to talk about the notes i did post i didnt really see the point in posting more
Like. My wagon is Seppel, He Who Does Not Read; Fable, the Scumflip, and ZDS, the Mystery.
I have a lot of townreads, and I /know/ one of them has to be wrong, because lol two scum and a Serial Killer would be dumb. But do I want to spend toDay getting my scumreads lynched, or second-guessing all of my townreads?
(It's the first one. I want to see tom and Fable flip and work from there.)
tom had a lot of traction yesterDay, and toDay gettin ghim lynched is like trying to pull teeth.
Just because I'm Town!aligned, doesn't mean I'm obligated to specifically have the described townie mindset you described (not looking to getting into a discussion on this, because it's distracting at best and -EV at worst)
Nachomamma (#1177): Do you feel that, at any time, Proph was trying to determine your and Tammy's alignments, yesterDay, regardless of who he was voting?
TS was town in his entrance and I thought that Proph's entrance (you know, the entrance everyone loved and thought was super town?) was also strong.
You mean the one with all of the extremely consensual and agreeable reads, with at most the exception of the scum-read on Mindreaver? No wonder it rubbed people the right way.
I thought that Proph softballed his Tammy read a bit, but he explained that as being unable to read emotions well. I did think that he tried to read me during his exchange with me (I felt that he was one of the few who did, actually). Could you find me a place where you legitimately try to read me?
Proph's entrance was more than what reads he had; minimizing it to that seems pretty bleh.
@Seppel: apologies if you explained this somewhere already, but it occurs to me that with your role name of "Baconator" you wouldn't have had the same role-name confusion that people were talking about at the beginning (and I think you even said you didn't) so, why did you respond to ZDS's initial post the way you did (by asking the next person to comment on it anddemanding role-names from people?)
Because I saw what was going on and didn't want to lose potential reads from it.
@Seppel: apologies if you explained this somewhere already, but it occurs to me that with your role name of "Baconator" you wouldn't have had the same role-name confusion that people were talking about at the beginning (and I think you even said you didn't) so, why did you respond to ZDS's initial post the way you did (by asking the next person to comment on it anddemanding role-names from people?)
Because I saw what was going on and didn't want to lose potential reads from it.
How could you have seen what was going on? Nothing was going on at that point - when you said "the next person to post must discuss this." The only thing that had happened was ZDS saying "this game's flavor makes no sense."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@axel/zds
Can you really see scumnacho pushing the three of us to get involved in this way?
If you two are town as I strongly suspect, what's the benefit of that?
Does he just want the challenge?
I'm fine with either Tom or Proph today. Maybe a slight preference for Proph though I haven't had a chance to reread through him. I reread through Tom and meh I don't find anything really breathtaking either way. I'd hoped that my recent experiences with him would give me a leg up on reading him, but he's not acting like the recent town game I played with him or either of the scum games I've seen him play. If I vote Tom, it's simply that I'm putting my trust in Nacho's read there.
Seppel - I thought that because your name was the baconator you weren't confused at all about the flavor.
Zds - okay.
Vaimes - How do you differentiate between someone who is overwhelmed and just not posting vs. someone who has lost motivation and thus has stopped posting?
Prophylaxis (#1142): I was wrong about the statements I quoted in #1128. Did you think that self-quote in the middle was for ego purposes? No
Why did you do nothing to determine whether Tammy or Nacho were actually scum? (If I'm wrong about you doing nothing, give proof). You had plenty of occasions to pressure them, and whether or not there was already a wagon on Matowar should not have stopped you from doing that
I did try to determine whether Tammy or Nacho were actually scum, they just were not in the thread and not caught up, so I didn't pressure them. You can argue the same for Matowar but he actually had a wagon behind him. As you can see when Nacho actually did start posting I interrogated him (I'm sure you remember the nearly page long back and forth).
Why are you so interested in the progression of my pressuring and scumreads? What does this tell you about my alignment?
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Re #1143, are you seriously saying the reason you believe Citric's claim is because of meta-mod-gaming? When you were in GoldenEye in which the same lovely mod took drastic precautions against mod-gaming?
All Iso did in GoldenEye to prevent modgaming was structure all the role PMs differently in that game, which he has wonderfully accomplished this game by giving all of the wolves piggish-names. Do you think there is no investigative role in this game?
1155 Seppel reads as townie.
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Proph - yesterday you said there's one scum guaranteed between me and nacho. Why are you just dropping that? If you felt that strongly, why are you just taking my word for it that nacho's town? You aren't interested in why I think that? And you're not either Axel? You're just going to write me off as not liking my posts, but not find out why we have such a different read on Nacho?
I'm just taking it at face value because my time for this game has rapidly declined. If I had more time I would figure out why we think differently on Nacho, but Nacho hasn't really done much particularly /scummy/, he was just in the PoE because I know he's capable of this play as scum.
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Prophylaxis: You who are the local official expert on meta-reading Vaimes (apparently), do you know if scum-Vaimes likes to bus his partners, or at least strongly distance himself from them?
I am in no way an expert on reading Vaimes. That's why I reached out to Citrus.
Yeah he can bus/distance from them but when I played with him as scum it was really clumsy. If you want I can link you to some Vaimes scum games if Vaimes is himself OK with that.
tomsloger (3): Nachomamma8, Prophylaxis, Vaimes
Vaimes (3): Seppel, Fable07, ZeDorkSlipeur
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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tom - why did you vote no lynch yesterday???
OR Vaimes and proph being all let's wait and see if the motivation runs out of either of them, but gee they look fine lalalalalalalala
and then there's zds going Tom's fine y'all not gonna fight for it yo let's vote vaimes or proph with a side of hey the un cc'd cop is probably scum too!
How the heck do people have TOO many town reads here???
"but hey don't strongarm things nacho.
not ******* cool."
Proph and I had a pretty large discussion where he talked about how he had too many townreads and he knew he had too many townreads and he kept looking at the pool of townreads he had and didn't know what to do. And in that sort of situation, it seems pretty natural to me for someone to vote the guy who has done absolutely nothing as opposed to two people who have done things that look vaguely town and could be counted on to produce later in the day. I don't really think that someone voting someone who is not around over people who are around is a big deal? Like whenever you're working with POE isn't the person who isn't doing jack ***** typically a good vote?
I will be pestering people who are voting Proph as long as I believe that Proph is town. There is no way in hell that I'm letting Tom push through a Proph lynch with his nebulous bull***** reasons that no one blinks twice at. TS was town in his entrance and I thought that Proph's entrance (you know, the entrance everyone loved and thought was super town?) was also strong. I don't know why people are tossing it aside now because he didn't vote in the order that they were expecting.
I'm not sure why you reassuring me that I'm not scum if Proph is scum (when I don't think Proph is scum) is supposed to reassure me or calm down this petulant child vibe I'm currently owning. If you want me to calm down with the bravado, the taunting, all you need to do is step up with the gamesolving and I will be the pleasantest pheasant you've ever seen.
Do I think that assuming that Iso put an investigative role in the game is a "sound and non-hypocritical argument"? Yes.
That was a slimy, slimy way to present an argument.
I will probably continuing playing the game like this for a little while longer.
At least until Tom is lynched.
this was more of me trying to get reactions from people about you after your entrance.
ive accepted now this wasnt a good approach, but whatever.
i posted the notes because they were open when i saw day started.
i did continue, but since no one wanted to talk about the notes i did post i didnt really see the point in posting more
vote proph
@Vaimes, do something so I don't have to watch you get lynched for not doing things, yeah?
I wanted to lynch tom yesterDay, and then people weren't around to lynch him. So let's get back to doing that.
Proph was right in that it feels like Day 1, except Hunt is now townfirmed. Mindreaver was townread ~enough that his flip doesn't really change.
And you have some nerve asking me to post more, Mr. Coasty Pants.
I have a lot of townreads, and I /know/ one of them has to be wrong, because lol two scum and a Serial Killer would be dumb. But do I want to spend toDay getting my scumreads lynched, or second-guessing all of my townreads?
(It's the first one. I want to see tom and Fable flip and work from there.)
tom had a lot of traction yesterDay, and toDay gettin ghim lynched is like trying to pull teeth.
And Tammy is townfirmed, js
I'm allowed to coast, I have a death warrant out for me - the only question is when lol
This time in the correct thread
I'm assuming it's from his proposed Proph/Vaimes/Citrus team.
how can you tell the difference?
and the reason for my scumread seems to be that i havent found scum yet.
and i have.
so yeah.
more votes on proph so i can be clear tomorrow
I thought that Proph softballed his Tammy read a bit, but he explained that as being unable to read emotions well. I did think that he tried to read me during his exchange with me (I felt that he was one of the few who did, actually). Could you find me a place where you legitimately try to read me?
Proph's entrance was more than what reads he had; minimizing it to that seems pretty bleh.
tammy vote this kid please
tom i'm not voting you because you haven't found scum
just fyi
Though I am a little miffed that other games are getting priority, but that's just me being a child. They must be pretty exciting.
is that not how to dazzle you?
that might be the only part i remember from your case.
nah you can also dazzle me by being sexy town tom
but you just aren't
let's chat
UNVOTE
proph
How could you have seen what was going on? Nothing was going on at that point - when you said "the next person to post must discuss this." The only thing that had happened was ZDS saying "this game's flavor makes no sense."
Not hard to put together what was happening.
Can you really see scumnacho pushing the three of us to get involved in this way?
If you two are town as I strongly suspect, what's the benefit of that?
Does he just want the challenge?
@fable
Taste that lint
Wasn't someone else scumreading nacho?
Whoever it is, stop it.
Everybody should have their vote on either me or proph. Let's not no lynch today.
Seppel - I thought that because your name was the baconator you weren't confused at all about the flavor.
Zds - okay.
Vaimes - How do you differentiate between someone who is overwhelmed and just not posting vs. someone who has lost motivation and thus has stopped posting?
I will not miss deadline this time!
what is scummy about posting notes?
and the term is dazzling, not breathtaking.
im working on it.
I'll see if I can get caught up Today. I would prefer not to eat a mislynch Today but my time for this game is rapidly dwindling.
Why are you so interested in the progression of my pressuring and scumreads? What does this tell you about my alignment?
All Iso did in GoldenEye to prevent modgaming was structure all the role PMs differently in that game, which he has wonderfully accomplished this game by giving all of the wolves piggish-names. Do you think there is no investigative role in this game?
1155 Seppel reads as townie.
I'm just taking it at face value because my time for this game has rapidly declined. If I had more time I would figure out why we think differently on Nacho, but Nacho hasn't really done much particularly /scummy/, he was just in the PoE because I know he's capable of this play as scum.
I am in no way an expert on reading Vaimes. That's why I reached out to Citrus.
Yeah he can bus/distance from them but when I played with him as scum it was really clumsy. If you want I can link you to some Vaimes scum games if Vaimes is himself OK with that.
tomsloger (4): Nachomamma8, Prophylaxis, Vaimes, CitricBase
Prophylaxis (3): tomsloger, ZeDorkSlipeur, Fable07
Vaimes (1): Seppel
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Y'all are accepting suboptimal lynches. I'm cleansing my hands of this game. Let the trainwreck begin.
Without my vote, you need ALL SIX OTHER TOWNIES to push through a scumlynch. You think you can lynch a scum like that?
There is at least one scum voting for Tom or Proph. Look around at your fellow voters and let that sink in.
Or don't. I'm just going on record that you're all a bunch of fools.