A soft light envelops the station, and a blurry camera filter appears. The station's inhabitants are replaced by apparitions of family, friends, and enemies both living and dead.
I will be addressing everything further into the week. I am in SLC right now and am overloaded with work. I will get around to rereading this game though, hopefully before the in game day is out.
One of the apparitions is Necarg's sister (no, the other, ugly one). Necarg beholds her with surprise. "Long time no see."
"I'll see your long time," she says. "By the way, it looks like you forgot something."
"Like what? How annoying you were?" Necarg asks, unable to hide a certain degree of scorn.
"Our mom was annoying last night~"
"... Oh."
"Yes, yes, now you see," says Necarg's sister. A sadistic grin crosses her face as she goes into full yandere mode, pulling out a whip.
"What are you doing with that?" Necarg asks warily.
"You."
As everyone else gets to reminisce pleasantly with images of the past, Necarg is shown a new definition of pain and suffering, lashed repeatedly to the point of passing out... and actually doing so once or twice, taken into the other kind of subspace. One must wonder whether the Prophet doing this has had such... relations with humans before.
"Now," says the phantom of Necarg's sister as she finally relents, yandere grin still on her face. "You forget that certain something again, and the next whip will... well, you ever see a certain 21st century Earth movie starring Jim Caviezel? Like that, but worse." She winks, blows a kiss at Necarg, and says, "Ta-ta~"
The light fades, the camera filter comes off, and the station returns to normal.
I don't know how to express the face I have right now in text.
Also, nice gaping mouth, TS. Want me to put my dick in?
(I have got to remember my dick jokes)
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first, some housekeeping:
ive decided to give myself another posting restriction. no quoting.
we'll see how long i keep that up
second, a very important question:
do i get the voxx mentoring from my predecessor?
i wouldnt listen to him, but that sounds dopenecarg should not be that confident that chris is town
also, i would like to replace in to necarg's slot. he can have this one. i'd be brilliant.
silver could be scum
im so excited for cythare
dont care for tapping pandering to him, but tapping always does ***** i dont care for.
oh, other people are doing that too. meh.
i agree with very little that kosa has posted. not sure what that means.
oh hey, i think this might be my first time ever townreading rhand
unaligned pairs:
fable-kod for those rules
mindreaver-tapping for using him as an example in his response to those rules
cythare has a bunch. hes probably just town.
thats the first 199 posts.
rolling a [redacted] and reading the rest.
Brinatoo, instead of being so belligerent, can you just answer this? It's a little confusing, even after re-reading 338 (which is mostly about silver scum reading you because of your (mis)read on me). Specifically, just give me a noun instead of pronoun for the bolded part. What situation do you think you're in? Replacing in? Misinterpreting my posts? Being scum read by Silver?
You might think whatever point you're trying to make is obvious, but I'm telling you it isn't (at least to me).
While you're at it, please answer my question from 347
The TS thing was specifically out and could be the only thing I was talking about.
I can't tell you what that would look like because you already did it and it isn't relevant what I think of my own slot. But I'll explain a post-by-post from my POV that shows the clear intention.
#45: Your opening post where your top line not only says RVS has passed, but you vote JD and call for a potential triple voting scum. So by stating RVS is over and then voting jd, even if the role part was in fun/jabbing, by specifically mentioning rvs followed by the vote on him- you could only be prodding a response from him. Nothing else makes sense.
#51: You mention him again and say he could decide to call everyone in the thread a moron, which definitely implies past relations with him and still shows intention of looking after him/his play.
#106: Still jabbing about past experiences, this post could be argued as the most playful. And using phrasing like "I love you think me capable of coaching anyone....wouldn't have come off as coaching" reads as animosity/frustration despite saying prior You'll let bygones be bygones. You don't seem to like him and bringing in past experiences like that without the intention of scumhunting is just bad play/useless.
#141: Questioning Kosa about buddying calling JD totes scum and saying it's just a matter of time until he slips. Even you were being playful with this- saying a phrase like "a matter of time until he slips" implies you will be hardlooking into JD at a minimum. Clear intention.
#168: Calling JD scum by meta and bringing up the past again/nemesis stuff again. First time you mention posting frequency wrt him. Also I don't remember if anyone commented on that part where proving towniness with posting frequency/accurate reads is not the way to go. This shouldn't be the thing to change your completely biased read of him. For example, I've seen many different instances of posting frequency/accurate reads by alignment. Town can absolutely post frequently but still not have accurate reads (unless your meaning of accurate reads is different from mine where I'm being literal on the definition.) Scum is capable of posting frequently and bussing hardcore.
I read #338 all the way through. Three times. Nothing is sticking out at me, with the very possible exception of the TappingStones thing. So now I'm going to reverse quote it because I don't think it needs to be hidden or guessed at. I'm not sure why it would be more telling if everyone figured out what you were talking about by themselves, either. Being cryptic doesn't serve very well if you're trying to get information.
I'm also intentionally asking the Stones of Tapping for the last time to answer my question at the end of this paragraph because there's a chance he's just looking at what he cares to look at(I don't think he would overlook something as town)if he overlooks it again after this he is scum. I'd like to assume that others haven't answered that question because they want him to answer which at this point I specifically want him to answer now.
So, you're asking TS questions and he's ignoring you. Instead of, like, bolding his name and asking him again (or asking the thread at large), you're asking other people to go back through your iso and do a scavenger hunt for questions you asked someone else?
But I clicked back to #296 to see what you were talking about, and I guess you're referring to this?
(@TS:) You do things that I would not expect from town. I was hoping you would answer my implied question." and need an explanation on this nolynch meta... and why GJ has been brought up about it?" 1)I don't like how a no-lynch vote and subsequent push on it in rvs would be any different from a vote on a player. It's weird. I am not for an actual no lynch but pushing an rvs vote on it from POV is just some meta crap I've never heard of. Which.... 2)Is why I asked you, or anyone for that matter seems knowledgable about this weird meta if you don't want to answer. I find it strange you overlooked that question. 3)Refer to my previous post and above to figure it out.
But I still don't really know what you're asking. So back to #282 I go...
(@TS:) I don't like your line of play towards this no-lynch vote. But I also have no idea what you guys are talking about and esp. why KoD hates it as much as he does and need an explanation on this nolynch meta... and why GJ has been brought up about it? I don't get it but behaviorally on your push you call him out on it, say it wasn't serious but you had the motivation to figure out his line of play... Which is what makes me question your line of play but this just falls back to me being unable to read you. I don't think you would be scumbuddies with Fable after your discussion with them.
Ok. So you're asking... something about my No Lynch RVS vote. I guess I'll just try to cover everything I can think of.
Well, now that silver is backing off the no lynch thing, here is my post concerning that.
So many of you know GJ votes no lynch in the beginning of games, often. Nobody ever remembers *why* he does that. Town responses are easy to read, they are usually "What? that's stupid". Scum on the other hand, are caught off guard and try to appear town by debating the logic or the statistics or what have you, because it's an abnormal position that clearly favors their goals. It's also a safe topic, that allows content generation without actually committing to anything.
It's actually a pretty smart move with this many new faces, that might be caught off guard.
It's not as effective to regulars here, because people are used to it. DoTA's response is an example of that, completely null (although I could make WIFOM arguments about him knowing the right things not to say. You scum DoTA? Don't lie to me). TS's response is also reading town to me, because he's at least trying to figure out Silver's thought process, even though he disagrees with the play.
KoD's response is what I'd expect of a town player not used to seeing that early no lynch vote. Because silver made a ridiculous stance as the first post of the game with 19 people in it.
I think this was the thing that resulted in your questions about No Lynch RVS, Meta, GJ, etc. in tandem with TS's line of play regarding it? (or else you missed it.) Here are my thoughts:
Basically, the players from the other forum (Shockwave, KoD, Fable) and maybe some of the returning players (Also Shockwave, Kosa, Col_Mongoose?) aren't used to people voting No Lynch during RVS. No Lynching is a pretty unusual vote from town - it's widely considered a terrible plan, and the only reason people here laugh it off is because GJ votes it in almost every game. You're used to it just being an RVS vote (maybe?), but that's only true within the current MTGS meta. That's why KoD took it seriously, and why I was surprised TappingStones took it seriously, but maybe he thought I was serious because I'm not GJ.
Based on his other stuff in thread I'm lightly town reading TappingStones, and honestly I don't know that him ignoring your questions is necessarily scummy... Otherwise Sir Chris and Kosa are scummy because they're both ignoring me.
If there's anything that didn't clear up I'd be more than happy to answer further questions (if I can).
Thanks for doing work for TS....While Mindreaver talked about some generalities surrounding it, I am asking more about how it relates specifically to rvs and I was wondering why TS would push that agenda and was asking him about it. I implied it multiple times for him to answer. I would think TS would actually be more careful to read through things to get his idea about people as town, which he is doing less so this game. The only thing that, from my POV, people can take from this nolynch crap is the conversation that spawned from it. To think that you were serious, aside from offsite new people not understanding this supposed meta is more forgiving, and push an agenda thinking you were serious is bad. Hence why I've been trying to question TS because he doesn't qualify as new to the site and is more aware of rvs shenanigans and should be aware that nolynch at that state is irrelvant. You have brought this up before too.
I came back after pretty much five days away and come to find almost nothing has happened. Sad.
What's Brinato on about? I've reread through his posts and can't find what he's asking me.
@Brinato-What about the no lynch thing are you unclear about? To summarize (which I've already explained in thread twice) I don't think "no lynch" as a plan without extenuating circumstances is a good idea. I'm of the mindset that we want a crack at killing scum and getting a flip at the very least on day one. I think people who try and vote no lynch are partaking in anti-town behavior. Note, that doesn't mean I would scum read them because town engage in all kinds of actions that hinder the town. I also don't like that it's purposefully trying to create WIFOM and confuse people.
Now I'd like to lynch Kosa.
With regards to this nolynch, I'm being specific about it being a rvs post. To pull the first post out of the game and to call it serious is inherently bad. And I need you to explain the WIFOM/confusing people part. I don't see, even if it was a serious no-lynch vote, how it would create a WIFOM scenario or confuse people. I think it would create a fairly straightforward scenario where that person is either not trying to scumhunt/being useless or has an unbeknownest reason for wanting it- the latter being much less likely on D1.
I don't know how to express the face I have right now in text.
Also, nice gaping mouth, TS. Want me to put my dick in?
(I have got to remember my dick jokes)
Your sis is hawt. All dat BDSM ye.
Still need to follow up on the conversation with Silver and I'm looking forward to everyones catchup.
@Cythare:*Takes assorted balls of yarn and places them in front of Cythare. Then he asks to place lines of string between Kosa and Fable and make an assessment of that situation. He also grabs a color of each type and makes a list so that Cythare/Everyone else can better understand the less known colors and what they would mean (and give you more ideas on how to explain to us your thoughts )
Blue: Town read
Red: Scum read
Light Blue/Cyan: lean town
Orange: lean scum
Grey: Null/Unknown
These were pretty obvious but the others I'd like to be known.
Purple: Confirmed Town
Yellow: Lesser lean of scum than orange?
White: Reserved for potential contrast to black yarn? I can't think of a specific example where these could be used but the first thing that came to mind was dichotomies/opposites like yin and yang.
Black: Above
Green: Some people use this for votes/town reads but I think something else could be used for this.
Brown: Never seen this used but the first thing I thought of is like flinging mud at someone and calling someone out on it
Pink: I think some people use this for a lesser version of confirmed town, where it's fairly implied that person is cleared but hasn't been killed yet
*Gathers up a couple ball of yarn from the basket, then spends what seems like an eternity careful pulling I out and arranging it out the floor. It says spelled out In multi-color yarn "Cythare can you read this? If so then care to elaborate on everything and anything?". Cracks a can of sardines and waits.....
Meanwhile I Think that are most likely lynch candidates are TS, DoTA. I have made statements regarding TS, and explaining my vote on DoTA. However, this is just my opinion.
@everyone input and feedback, opinion on current vote count and game state would be most appreciated.
Meanwhile I Think that are most likely lynch candidates are TS, DoTA. I have made statements regarding TS, and explaining my vote on DoTA. However, this is just my opinion.
@everyone input and feedback, opinion on current vote count and game state would be most appreciated.
"most likely"? Based on what exactly?
"I have made statements regarding TS" seems weird to me. Why would you say it like that. There's no conviction behind that. It's like "I'm on record saying I don't like TS, hope you guys notice that."
Then you are asking everyone for their feedback on votecount? A lot of self-consciousness in this post. I'm gonna have to go back and take a look at you...col
@TS I was merely stating the 2 people that I was likely to vote for. I don't see why you get so defensive when my vote is not even on you and I don't even believe you have a wagon on you however I could be wrong. Also go ahead and look me over I've transparent, analyse away.
I was merely stating the 2 people that I was likely to vote for. I don't see why you get so defensive when my vote is not even on you and I don't even believe you have a wagon on you
Don't those two things sound rather different?
If you don't believe there is a wagon on me what leads you to believe I'm the most likely lynch?
Town says things like "I want to lynch players A and B not, "This guy has no wagon but I think he's the most likely lynch candidate.
Do you see why these posts are troublesome old sport?
@TS I am merely stating my opinion and where I was on the current game state from my perspective. Also I can see why you might see them as troublesome, however it seems to me that the day has stagnated or I could be wrong. While have your ear TS when don't you give me a breakdown on the candidates and game state from your perspective?
@TS I am merely stating my opinion and where I was on the current game state from my perspective. Also I can see why you might see them as troublesome, however it seems to me that the day has stagnated or I could be wrong. While have your ear TS when don't you give me a breakdown on the candidates and game state from your perspective?
Sure, I'll give you a flash take. I'm currently working through a reread so this is subject to change.
Wouldn't mind lynching
Kosa
Fable
KoD
You come across to me as nervous. But I haven't played with you before. I think being very careful with verbiage is more likely a scum tell then a town one. And there are a lot of "merely", "just my opinion", "I could be wrong". Those type of phrases coming from one person in huge doses is worrying.
I like Mindreaver so far.
Rhand is lean town.
SC is null to lean scum at this point. I think he's likely unaligned with Fable though based on earlier interactions. I need him to post more. He's just sitting back asking a question every 3-4 days but not giving any content. Not pushing action, not like the town SC I've played with in the past.
cant decide if fable is fearmongering or displaying healthy paranoia WRT cythare
weird. mongoose is scumreading rhand for the post that made me sure he was town
has dota rolled scum yet? i want to say ill read his scumgames and then halfheartedly skim his iso
the cythare defense has me pondering
ive never agreed with a post more than 232. go ahead. look at it again.
fable bringing up the borg cult is definitely fear mongering.
*oh nevermind. role related or whatever.
oh cool, silver is the cult leader (239)
ok, if im tryna solve the game based entirely on people's interactions with the cat, the scumteam is within [fable, dota, brinatoo, (the people ignoring it completely)]
ugh, silver. dont tell them to get isos that way. thats the worst.
go to the post count and click the link on their number of posts.
cant decide if fable is fearmongering or displaying healthy paranoia WRT cythare
weird. mongoose is scumreading rhand for the post that made me sure he was town
has dota rolled scum yet? i want to say ill read his scumgames and then halfheartedly skim his iso
the cythare defense has me pondering
ive never agreed with a post more than 232. go ahead. look at it again.
fable bringing up the borg cult is definitely fear mongering.
*oh nevermind. role related or whatever.
oh cool, silver is the cult leader (239)
ok, if im tryna solve the game based entirely on people's interactions with the cat, the scumteam is within [fable, dota, brinatoo, (the people ignoring it completely)]
ugh, silver. dont tell them to get isos that way. thats the worst.
go to the post count and click the link on their number of posts.
tldring the ***** out of KOD
oh god tapping dont make them read predator.
Why not? Predator was an excellent game of Mafia. If SC hadn't gotten paranoid of me and blown two vig shots we would have had a flawless victory, but I digress.
Yeah, are you getting anything of value out of KoD because I'm certainly not?
Brinatoo, instead of being so belligerent, can you just answer this? It's a little confusing, even after re-reading 338 (which is mostly about silver scum reading you because of your (mis)read on me). Specifically, just give me a noun instead of pronoun for the bolded part. What situation do you think you're in? Replacing in? Misinterpreting my posts? Being scum read by Silver?
You might think whatever point you're trying to make is obvious, but I'm telling you it isn't (at least to me).
While you're at it, please answer my question from 347
The TS thing was specifically out and could be the only thing I was talking about.
I can't tell you what that would look like because you already did it and it isn't relevant what I think of my own slot. But I'll explain a post-by-post from my POV that shows the clear intention.
I don't understand what you mean by the bolded. Maybe this is just the way you talk. It's clear as mud. As for the rest of this...
#45: Your opening post where your top line not only says RVS has passed, but you vote JD and call for a potential triple voting scum. So by stating RVS is over and then voting jd, even if the role part was in fun/jabbing, by specifically mentioning rvs followed by the vote on him- you could only be prodding a response from him. Nothing else makes sense.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Do you believe that I knew, at that point, that JD was a triple voting scum player? Let me further ask you this, how could I have reasonably know if he was? We'd be scum together. That's the only way. So, is this your argument? That we're scum partners, and I had inside info on your own slot? Are you a triple voting scum? There is no way that "even if" part is valid. I'm clearing being playful for the last game we played together (where JD was a triple voter), and I was prodding him for a response, because I only knew about 4 people in this thread.
#51: You mention him again and say he could decide to call everyone in the thread a moron, which definitely implies past relations with him and still shows intention of looking after him/his play.
Again, at the start of the game, I'd played with TS, Silver, JD, D_V, and Killjoy. I've have more interaction with JD and TS than the others by a long stretch. So they are my example people. Read into that if you want, but I think it's pretty meaningless unless one of the three of us flips scum.
#106: Still jabbing about past experiences, this post could be argued as the most playful. And using phrasing like "I love you think me capable of coaching anyone....wouldn't have come off as coaching" reads as animosity/frustration despite saying prior You'll let bygones be bygones. You don't seem to like him and bringing in past experiences like that without the intention of scumhunting is just bad play/useless.
Well, I actually mostly agree here. I was just trying to get some interaction and thought he might be somebody I could banter about games lost due to our inability to read the other. But there is a good chance that I drove him straight out of the game, which wasn't my intention at all. So yes, bad scumhunting (unless of course he quit because he thought I was serious and he WAS actually scum Take some WIFOM!).
#141: Questioning Kosa about buddying calling JD totes scum and saying it's just a matter of time until he slips. Even you were being playful with this- saying a phrase like "a matter of time until he slips" implies you will be hardlooking into JD at a minimum. Clear intention.
Yeah I could see that point of view, if we're being literal about it. I didn't mean it that way though (because honestly, there were three posts by him at that point, how hard a look am I going to do?).
#168: Calling JD scum by meta and bringing up the past again/nemesis stuff again. First time you mention posting frequency wrt him. Also I don't remember if anyone commented on that part where proving towniness with posting frequency/accurate reads is not the way to go. This shouldn't be the thing to change your completely biased read of him. For example, I've seen many different instances of posting frequency/accurate reads by alignment. Town can absolutely post frequently but still not have accurate reads (unless your meaning of accurate reads is different from mine where I'm being literal on the definition.) Scum is capable of posting frequently and bussing hardcore.
What I was saying was: I realize this read is not for good reasons, because it's obvious you can't prove somebody is scum who has only posted in the thread three times, and who's only read at that point was on KoD (who I was/am townreading). I'm just saying he's scum to get a reaction from one of the only people I've played with before, and in the last game, we butted heads a lot. I did not say, nor mean to imply, that post frequency = good reads. That's entirely something you invented. I just said he could prove his towniness by helping catch scum, by being more active than he is, and by helping to solve the game.
Technically I call him scum by meta. And of course this is where you stop quoting me, and stop reading what I write apparently. I've already said I wasn't serious there. For somebody who is reading everything I say literally, you certainly overlook whatever is inconvenient to your narrative. I don't want to give you the impression I think that's scummy behavior on your part (in this case), this post was actually thoughtful, and it's caused me to rethink you quite a bit. But I am very frustrated by how frequently I have had to justify banter from the first hundred posts.
* Cythare looks at Brinatoo, then looks at the string previously left between Kosa and Fable. She then gathers up the various colored balls of yarn, but swats the green one and the pink one away. She then turns to Col_Mongoose and bats him lightly in the face without using her claws.
Cythare then jumps up onto the ledge of a chalkboard holding the current tally and bats the chalk with her paws, clearly attempting to get Q's attention. *
@Mindreaver: I think he's talking about his self-imposed novelty restrictions.
@Fable: You look like you're coasting because you disappeared for almost a week then came back with a one-liner and a vote on someone who's probably not getting lynched today. Not just because of your reaction to Necarg's warning.
@TappingStones: I'd still like to know what you were looking for in my T/S List, if you don't mind sharing.
@Brinatoo: At that point you seemed to be asking the thread at large about it, not just TappingStones. I'm not really sure what you wanted.
@Kosakosa: If you ever come back, I don't think TappingStones was "silver raging" or whatever. He didn't seem annoyed that he missed a chance to be townie, and it looks like you're trying to force a scumtell on him to give weight to your omgus vote.
@col_mongoose: My current view of the game is that there are waaay too many players coasting and/or lurking. There's almost definitely scum hiding in there somewhere.
@TappingStones: I'd still like to know what you were looking for in my T/S List, if you don't mind sharing.
I'm trying to piece something together and was wondering if I'd get any similar notions from your report but I'm not seeing it. Anyway, I'm going to try to put some energy into this and put pressure on people to play the game.
@EVERYONEIf you are town, start playing. It's hard for us to win if no one is going to post. I'm not sure we have any top notch scum hunters on our side so it would behoove us to keep the discussion going. The people that refuse to post are probably getting lynched. Let's play the game, yeah?
Hmph. KoD was clearly going for some kind of mind game wrt his claims towards me and the kosa situation. I was waiting to see where he'd go with that since he said he'd be back to it shortly. I guess he's trapped in a pokeball somewhere though.
@DV, concerning your question, kosa explained himself in 302 and further in 307. I explained my stance in 308 and further in 323. If you have any specific questions let me know.
Hmph. KoD was clearly going for some kind of mind game wrt his claims towards me and the kosa situation. I was waiting to see where he'd go with that since he said he'd be back to it shortly. I guess he's trapped in a pokeball somewhere though.
@DV, concerning your question, kosa explained himself in 302 and further in 307. I explained my stance in 308 and further in 323. If you have any specific questions let me know.
I'll chime in since it's about me. Post #302 is abysmal. If you guys want to go after Rhand then have at it but I made my case with sound reasoning and gave plenty of examples for my reasoning. KoD tried to dismiss them all out of hand without even directly facing them. Do you think 302 is in any way a good defense? Does tht constitute logic on the other site? It's coming across incredibly vacuous over here.
and yes, self imposed posting restriction.
but where the last one gave me significantly more work to do, this one is indulging my laziness.
i'm in too many games on too many sites and have a mozart festival starting this week.
There's nothing to respond to. I don't think it's productive to go chasing the cult when it might not even exist.
But go with your gut on a player you haven't played with before if you want.
Actually, since you're here, could you walk me through your Kosa read? I'm looking for new opinions on him. I'm worried TS is confbiasing on him but I'm not very fond of his last few posts or the way he disappeared.
hey, i'm keeping up with goldeneye. ive read all of your forum mafia posts
but my gut is really good. ive recently learned to go with it instead of overthinking everything (shakes fist at citricbase)
but ok. i fully believe you want to genuinely scumhunt. lets talk kosa.
hes not looking at motivation, just a sacred set of scumtells that lets him avoid that.
hes doing that troll thing that many do as scum where you dare people to scumread you. (i was especially guilty of this in my most recent scumgame, in which i kept trying to come up with teams i could be on and made a case on myself)
and his mindreaver opinions are the most "going for a mislynch" posts ever.
Why do I want to kill the cat? To be honest I don't really wanna kill the cat it's just that I'm getting way too much enjoyment out of messing with it.
If you asked me who I seriously think should be lynched the answer is Rhand or maybe Silver now if you really think he's borg.
also, knowing theres a cult is null, alignment-wise. just fyi.
Is this at me or Fable? I'm not basing any reads on this cult nonsense. And, to be clear, I'm not saying "there's definitely not a cult." I'm just saying "I think chasing the cult is a waste of time and energy at the moment because it might not even exist."
Regarding Kosa, is there anything that makes you think he's specifically scum and not just bad town? His Mindreaver push I guess?
Seriously. Rhand votes me over nothing. TS votes me, I tear his vote reasoning apart, and him and D_V repeatedly dismiss it without tackling it. Still, I'm the scum around. Then comes the replacement NEUTRAL HUNTING saying that I don't read into motivations (so either people can't read or I can't write), just scumtells when that was EXACTLY WHAT RHAND DID when voting me and is EXACTLY what more than one person is doing with the "oh this is scummy. Wanna know why? Pssst lemme know!" crypto-bull*****.
And *I* am the scum around. Jesus. This game.
If you want to lynch me, then just put me on L-2 already and I'll claim, simple. Apparently I suck in this game and can't read anyone for the sake of myself so whatever. I'm sure my wagon will be a blast to analyse later on.
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This time around I got the memo
I'll start reading tomorrow since it's already bedtime.
Unvote Vote Tom
Obv scum is obv scum.
JK.
Unvote Vote Kosa
And that's it for tonight for real
One of the apparitions is Necarg's sister (no, the other, ugly one). Necarg beholds her with surprise. "Long time no see."
"I'll see your long time," she says. "By the way, it looks like you forgot something."
"Like what? How annoying you were?" Necarg asks, unable to hide a certain degree of scorn.
"Our mom was annoying last night~"
"... Oh."
"Yes, yes, now you see," says Necarg's sister. A sadistic grin crosses her face as she goes into full yandere mode, pulling out a whip.
"What are you doing with that?" Necarg asks warily.
"You."
As everyone else gets to reminisce pleasantly with images of the past, Necarg is shown a new definition of pain and suffering, lashed repeatedly to the point of passing out... and actually doing so once or twice, taken into the other kind of subspace. One must wonder whether the Prophet doing this has had such... relations with humans before.
"Now," says the phantom of Necarg's sister as she finally relents, yandere grin still on her face. "You forget that certain something again, and the next whip will... well, you ever see a certain 21st century Earth movie starring Jim Caviezel? Like that, but worse." She winks, blows a kiss at Necarg, and says, "Ta-ta~"
The light fades, the camera filter comes off, and the station returns to normal.
Also, nice gaping mouth, TS. Want me to put my dick in?
(I have got to remember my dick jokes)
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@Fable-Are you trying to cruise this game?
ive decided to give myself another posting restriction. no quoting.
we'll see how long i keep that up
second, a very important question:
do i get the voxx mentoring from my predecessor?
i wouldnt listen to him, but that sounds dope
necarg should not be that confident that chris is town
also, i would like to replace in to necarg's slot. he can have this one. i'd be brilliant.
silver could be scum
im so excited for cythare
dont care for tapping pandering to him, but tapping always does ***** i dont care for.
oh, other people are doing that too. meh.
i agree with very little that kosa has posted. not sure what that means.
oh hey, i think this might be my first time ever townreading rhand
unaligned pairs:
fable-kod for those rules
mindreaver-tapping for using him as an example in his response to those rules
cythare has a bunch. hes probably just town.
thats the first 199 posts.
rolling a [redacted] and reading the rest.
I can't tell you what that would look like because you already did it and it isn't relevant what I think of my own slot. But I'll explain a post-by-post from my POV that shows the clear intention.
#45: Your opening post where your top line not only says RVS has passed, but you vote JD and call for a potential triple voting scum. So by stating RVS is over and then voting jd, even if the role part was in fun/jabbing, by specifically mentioning rvs followed by the vote on him- you could only be prodding a response from him. Nothing else makes sense.
#51: You mention him again and say he could decide to call everyone in the thread a moron, which definitely implies past relations with him and still shows intention of looking after him/his play.
#106: Still jabbing about past experiences, this post could be argued as the most playful. And using phrasing like "I love you think me capable of coaching anyone....wouldn't have come off as coaching" reads as animosity/frustration despite saying prior You'll let bygones be bygones. You don't seem to like him and bringing in past experiences like that without the intention of scumhunting is just bad play/useless.
#141: Questioning Kosa about buddying calling JD totes scum and saying it's just a matter of time until he slips. Even you were being playful with this- saying a phrase like "a matter of time until he slips" implies you will be hardlooking into JD at a minimum. Clear intention.
#168: Calling JD scum by meta and bringing up the past again/nemesis stuff again. First time you mention posting frequency wrt him. Also I don't remember if anyone commented on that part where proving towniness with posting frequency/accurate reads is not the way to go. This shouldn't be the thing to change your completely biased read of him. For example, I've seen many different instances of posting frequency/accurate reads by alignment. Town can absolutely post frequently but still not have accurate reads (unless your meaning of accurate reads is different from mine where I'm being literal on the definition.) Scum is capable of posting frequently and bussing hardcore.
Still need to follow up on the conversation with Silver and I'm looking forward to everyones catchup.
@Cythare:*Takes assorted balls of yarn and places them in front of Cythare. Then he asks to place lines of string between Kosa and Fable and make an assessment of that situation. He also grabs a color of each type and makes a list so that Cythare/Everyone else can better understand the less known colors and what they would mean (and give you more ideas on how to explain to us your thoughts )
Blue: Town read
Red: Scum read
Light Blue/Cyan: lean town
Orange: lean scum
Grey: Null/Unknown
These were pretty obvious but the others I'd like to be known.
Purple: Confirmed Town
Yellow: Lesser lean of scum than orange?
White: Reserved for potential contrast to black yarn? I can't think of a specific example where these could be used but the first thing that came to mind was dichotomies/opposites like yin and yang.
Black: Above
Green: Some people use this for votes/town reads but I think something else could be used for this.
Brown: Never seen this used but the first thing I thought of is like flinging mud at someone and calling someone out on it
Pink: I think some people use this for a lesser version of confirmed town, where it's fairly implied that person is cleared but hasn't been killed yet
@everyone input and feedback, opinion on current vote count and game state would be most appreciated.
"most likely"? Based on what exactly?
"I have made statements regarding TS" seems weird to me. Why would you say it like that. There's no conviction behind that. It's like "I'm on record saying I don't like TS, hope you guys notice that."
Then you are asking everyone for their feedback on votecount? A lot of self-consciousness in this post. I'm gonna have to go back and take a look at you...col
Isn't that a strange way to say:
Don't those two things sound rather different?
If you don't believe there is a wagon on me what leads you to believe I'm the most likely lynch?
Town says things like "I want to lynch players A and B not, "This guy has no wagon but I think he's the most likely lynch candidate.
Do you see why these posts are troublesome old sport?
Sure, I'll give you a flash take. I'm currently working through a reread so this is subject to change.
Wouldn't mind lynching
Kosa
Fable
KoD
You come across to me as nervous. But I haven't played with you before. I think being very careful with verbiage is more likely a scum tell then a town one. And there are a lot of "merely", "just my opinion", "I could be wrong". Those type of phrases coming from one person in huge doses is worrying.
I like Mindreaver so far.
Rhand is lean town.
SC is null to lean scum at this point. I think he's likely unaligned with Fable though based on earlier interactions. I need him to post more. He's just sitting back asking a question every 3-4 days but not giving any content. Not pushing action, not like the town SC I've played with in the past.
weird. mongoose is scumreading rhand for the post that made me sure he was town
has dota rolled scum yet? i want to say ill read his scumgames and then halfheartedly skim his iso
the cythare defense has me pondering
ive never agreed with a post more than 232. go ahead. look at it again.
fable bringing up the borg cult is definitely fear mongering.
*oh nevermind. role related or whatever.
oh cool, silver is the cult leader (239)
ok, if im tryna solve the game based entirely on people's interactions with the cat, the scumteam is within [fable, dota, brinatoo, (the people ignoring it completely)]
ugh, silver. dont tell them to get isos that way. thats the worst.
go to the post count and click the link on their number of posts.
tldring the ***** out of KOD
oh god tapping dont make them read predator.
Why not? Predator was an excellent game of Mafia. If SC hadn't gotten paranoid of me and blown two vig shots we would have had a flawless victory, but I digress.
Yeah, are you getting anything of value out of KoD because I'm certainly not?
here's a rainbow wall:
mind-rhand-cythare
DV
chris-kod-halftime
tapping-shock-necarg
fable-mongoose-brinatoo
kosa-dota
Vote: Silvercrys
he isnt scum. hes the borg.
seems like a good thing to take care of early.
you might be shocked how confident i am of that.
I don't understand what you mean by the bolded. Maybe this is just the way you talk. It's clear as mud. As for the rest of this...
These aren't mutually exclusive. Do you believe that I knew, at that point, that JD was a triple voting scum player? Let me further ask you this, how could I have reasonably know if he was? We'd be scum together. That's the only way. So, is this your argument? That we're scum partners, and I had inside info on your own slot? Are you a triple voting scum? There is no way that "even if" part is valid. I'm clearing being playful for the last game we played together (where JD was a triple voter), and I was prodding him for a response, because I only knew about 4 people in this thread.
Again, at the start of the game, I'd played with TS, Silver, JD, D_V, and Killjoy. I've have more interaction with JD and TS than the others by a long stretch. So they are my example people. Read into that if you want, but I think it's pretty meaningless unless one of the three of us flips scum.
Well, I actually mostly agree here. I was just trying to get some interaction and thought he might be somebody I could banter about games lost due to our inability to read the other. But there is a good chance that I drove him straight out of the game, which wasn't my intention at all. So yes, bad scumhunting (unless of course he quit because he thought I was serious and he WAS actually scum Take some WIFOM!).
Yeah I could see that point of view, if we're being literal about it. I didn't mean it that way though (because honestly, there were three posts by him at that point, how hard a look am I going to do?).
What I was saying was: I realize this read is not for good reasons, because it's obvious you can't prove somebody is scum who has only posted in the thread three times, and who's only read at that point was on KoD (who I was/am townreading). I'm just saying he's scum to get a reaction from one of the only people I've played with before, and in the last game, we butted heads a lot. I did not say, nor mean to imply, that post frequency = good reads. That's entirely something you invented. I just said he could prove his towniness by helping catch scum, by being more active than he is, and by helping to solve the game.
Technically I call him scum by meta. And of course this is where you stop quoting me, and stop reading what I write apparently. I've already said I wasn't serious there. For somebody who is reading everything I say literally, you certainly overlook whatever is inconvenient to your narrative. I don't want to give you the impression I think that's scummy behavior on your part (in this case), this post was actually thoughtful, and it's caused me to rethink you quite a bit. But I am very frustrated by how frequently I have had to justify banter from the first hundred posts.
Another?
Cythare then jumps up onto the ledge of a chalkboard holding the current tally and bats the chalk with her paws, clearly attempting to get Q's attention. *
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*scratches the cat's ears.
@Fable: You look like you're coasting because you disappeared for almost a week then came back with a one-liner and a vote on someone who's probably not getting lynched today. Not just because of your reaction to Necarg's warning.
@TappingStones: I'd still like to know what you were looking for in my T/S List, if you don't mind sharing.
@Brinatoo: At that point you seemed to be asking the thread at large about it, not just TappingStones. I'm not really sure what you wanted.
@Kosakosa: If you ever come back, I don't think TappingStones was "silver raging" or whatever. He didn't seem annoyed that he missed a chance to be townie, and it looks like you're trying to force a scumtell on him to give weight to your omgus vote.
@col_mongoose: My current view of the game is that there are waaay too many players coasting and/or lurking. There's almost definitely scum hiding in there somewhere.
I'm trying to piece something together and was wondering if I'd get any similar notions from your report but I'm not seeing it. Anyway, I'm going to try to put some energy into this and put pressure on people to play the game.
@EVERYONEIf you are town, start playing. It's hard for us to win if no one is going to post. I'm not sure we have any top notch scum hunters on our side so it would behoove us to keep the discussion going. The people that refuse to post are probably getting lynched. Let's play the game, yeah?
@DV, concerning your question, kosa explained himself in 302 and further in 307. I explained my stance in 308 and further in 323. If you have any specific questions let me know.
I'll chime in since it's about me. Post #302 is abysmal. If you guys want to go after Rhand then have at it but I made my case with sound reasoning and gave plenty of examples for my reasoning. KoD tried to dismiss them all out of hand without even directly facing them. Do you think 302 is in any way a good defense? Does tht constitute logic on the other site? It's coming across incredibly vacuous over here.
Make your case. You seem to be the only one who spotted something so let's have it.
but where the last one gave me significantly more work to do, this one is indulging my laziness.
i'm in too many games on too many sites and have a mozart festival starting this week.
then i read 239 and it just made sense.
and then he responded about me, but not to that part.
hes totally gonna recruit me tonight.
But go with your gut on a player you haven't played with before if you want.
Actually, since you're here, could you walk me through your Kosa read? I'm looking for new opinions on him. I'm worried TS is confbiasing on him but I'm not very fond of his last few posts or the way he disappeared.
@Tom
Don't worry I won't let Silver recruit you.
but my gut is really good. ive recently learned to go with it instead of overthinking everything (shakes fist at citricbase)
but ok. i fully believe you want to genuinely scumhunt. lets talk kosa.
hes not looking at motivation, just a sacred set of scumtells that lets him avoid that.
hes doing that troll thing that many do as scum where you dare people to scumread you. (i was especially guilty of this in my most recent scumgame, in which i kept trying to come up with teams i could be on and made a case on myself)
and his mindreaver opinions are the most "going for a mislynch" posts ever.
hi fable! why do you want to kill the cat?
Why do I want to kill the cat? To be honest I don't really wanna kill the cat it's just that I'm getting way too much enjoyment out of messing with it.
If you asked me who I seriously think should be lynched the answer is Rhand or maybe Silver now if you really think he's borg.
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Regarding Kosa, is there anything that makes you think he's specifically scum and not just bad town? His Mindreaver push I guess?
And *I* am the scum around. Jesus. This game.
If you want to lynch me, then just put me on L-2 already and I'll claim, simple. Apparently I suck in this game and can't read anyone for the sake of myself so whatever. I'm sure my wagon will be a blast to analyse later on.
*has tuna fish in his pocket*
Re #335: No, that shows exactly how unaware of Fable's alignment I am. And it's pretty obvious that was a stream-of-consciousness post.
Re #435: We agree to disagree. And if you too think my vote was OMGUS after I thoroughly explained how it wasn't, then I have nothing else to say.