@KoD, sure it is flavor but yours seems to be the only one disconnecting like this.
But you possibly lying aside, I think your new claim information is even more telling when you take the time to listen to what DV was gracious enough to tell us. DV seemed quite convinced there was an SK. He was also quite adamant that Brin was not a maf hit. You could say DV was trying to swerve attention away from mafs, but at that point Tom and Wheat both had DV in the town circle so there's little benefit for DV to do that as opposed to simply trying to point everybody to the town players outside of the town circle. His comment that the only way he believed mafia had killed brin was if a redirect was involved weighs it heavily in my mind that that was a true statement for him. And if we take it to be truth that DV knew the scum didn't kill Brin then we have an unaccounted for kill on our hands and unclaimed target that KoD is now claiming. Coupled with the flavor disconnect and I'm 100% certain we have our SK.
The question now is do we think it's possible there are two scum left plus an SK? If we do, we should remove the SK now, permanently eliminating a second non town kill that could wreck town's ability to hold majority in coming lynches. If we don't think its possible then it wouldn't matter if we eliminated maf first or SK first. For the time being I'm going to vote SK. Traditional balance has me thinking we are looking at 4-1-1 left which pretty much makes them both equal threats now anyways. But since all of the town votes will need to be consolidated on this I will jump to chandy if that's where cyth and wheat think we should be as the townliest among us.
This is quite mind wracking. I don't trust KoD, Kosa, or HalfTime. Cythare is mostly likely town. I know I'm town, so I have to decide who is town and whole is scum.
Cythare is town.
KoD has done some shady stuff. I'll go over it later after I finish with some stuff I'm doing. Leaning scum.
Half Time has done one strange action after another. The not using the kill shot was weird. And this bring forward of what happened with Kosa is too much like flailing. I'm sure there is more. Leaning Scum
I didn't know what to say outside of my hi. At which point, there really isn't a point to posting there since its out in the open. I'm not seeing a reason for scum to do this, but I can see a reason for town. At this moment, I am leaning town with Kosa.
Kod is my current read for scum. Kosa's ability makes HT a strong pick for scum if he is telling the truth, I am more inclined to believe at the moment due to it not having any real benefit to scum to me.
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What you consider to be a disconnect I consider to be an issue of outguessing the mod if you believe flavor would be that telling.
Flavor aside, I'm not even going to bother guessing what DV, as scum, was thinking. Fable I can reasonably manage to guess about, but ultimately with them being mafia their motives are unknown.
Wrt to me claiming Brin, why would I do that? Not only that, but how could I kill since I was roleblocked? Unless you're going to say that, despite everything I'm claiming, I'm lying about everything I'm claiming, then there is no leg for you stand on by throwing such an absurd accusation at me. You're the one who claimed an ability to generate a vig shot after all. I haven't claimed anything remotely close to vigging. The only thing that could be close to a kill ability for me would be my ability to reduce a target's latnium by 2 (if you believe my claim) while disbelieving that I am being honest about it preventing their death from having no latnium. Only then could you connect me to having killed Brin since I claimed targeting Brin.
Simply put, if I were an SK, it makes no sense for me to come out claiming all this stuff that puts me in a precarious position strictly for trying to push your lynch. The idea I'm a SK is bs.
@KoD, I wouldn't be out guessing the mod because I'm not asserting that he crafted your claim. What you've claimed is applicable to Odo, but not mirror universe Odo. Your flavor claim reads less as true and more of a poorly crafted fake claim.
As for Brin, you claimed your abilities failed the next night when you targeted me not when you targeted Brin. So your whole point about being role blocked isn't even applicable if true as during your initial claim you didn't say you were blocked, you said your abilities failed. There are multiple scenarios on why an ability might fail and only one where you are completely shut down. Since you specifically said your abilities failed and not that you were role blocked initially I see no reason to believe you were completely shut down.
On the contrary Half. I'll leave the outguess the mod stuff to the side for now since talking about whether or not the mod crafted my role from various resources could lead to what I have. What I've claimed is applicable to both Odo's. I've claimed to be MU Odo who has replaced "this" universes Odo while maintaining genetic knowledge of how the Dominion functioned in my universe (that is, it sought to impose fair and just laws). MU Odo being in charge of a mining facility is a sure thing yes, but I replaced the normal Odo who is in charge of the post war Dominion. I can sit here and argue for hours over the flavor, but suffice it to say your focus on it does nothing to disprove what I've claimed about the flavor.
As for Brin, yes I claimed my abilities failed on you. On a night when two kills occurred (one on scum and one on town). Now as far as I am aware we haven't had anyone talking about abilities flat out failing. To my knowledge, Cyth is the only one who is even protected in such a way where a person using an ability on her would fail (I believe this happened with Kosa N1). I didn't target Cyth, and no one has claimed an ability to shield someone so the obvious conclusion for me to draw is that my abilities failing indicates I was roleblocked. All you're doing is speculating on other scenarios which are not as plausible given what we know is claimed.
Still, despite that you're entertaining I must be the SK despite me being honest before (referring to the fact that I did target TS and that I did cop his name correctly).
Taking everything I've told into account while considering what Kosa has brought up, I'm hardly the person of interest here. We've got 3 scum dead out of a 19 player game leaving us with either 2 mafia or 1 mafia and 1 sk/self. Out of everything claimed, you've claimed the ability to obtain a kill. A kill which mysteriously disappeared going into the next day. Whereas with me I've at least had 1 thing (implicitly/explicitly) verified wrt to what I was saying.
I'm willing to bet you're projecting as far as the SK thing goes.
It's pretty convenient that you magically forget what it is I actually do. Obtaining a kill is a secondary function of my role stopping ability. One that creates situations where people have claimed to have their abilities fail like Tom claimed with Silver when he targeted him in the same night that I did. But let's tuck into your claim stacked on my claim. You've claimed you can use any number of abilities in a night. This means if you have an unclaimed kill ability you can use that in addition to any number of other claimed abilities used. So saying you targeted me with two abilities that failed doesn't exclude the possibility you did throw a kill into the mix. Now you're asserting the mafia must have a Role blocker because your abilities failed yet you discount the possibility of a known town blocker targeting you because from all outward appearances you'd be vanilla. Well that logic applies to everybody that doesn't know your actual role. But let's not talk about that. Or take into account there's still a role stopper out and about that can shut down only select targets without completely shutting you down. But that aside the validity of your targeting is questionable in the first place. I don't use loyalty or latinum based abilities so I'm not a valid target for your first claimed ability. While I am Vorta I don't have a static day ability. There's currently nothing there to block. Given you've jumped from your abilities failed to you were definitely role blocked I'm having trouble believing you were told anything specific. I'd be willing to bet you were told something along the lines of your ability had no effect to anything that holds a grain of truth on targeting me though. You escalating to role block seems more of an excuse on why you couldn't have been responsible for one of the kills last night.
You're scrambling KoD. Your behavior here doesn't read town!KoD but rather caught!KoD.
I'm shocked that DV turned out to be scum, but I'm glad whoever killed him succeeded.
Vote: CFC
I'm still convinced that this is the right next step.
Any reason or are you just want to target me because you think I am an easy mislynch? Can you come up with a single case? A mislynch will give scum an easy win at this point. We have to be careful. Snap bad decisions will only let scum win this game.
Kod how do you explain your abilities seem to do what you claim your abilities don't do, like killing Brinato when you said that you just took latinum from him and that shouldn't have killed him. Yet he was lying dead after you used your ability. There are just too many questions about your actions. Your seemingly flavor mismatch is just another thing that your words don't match what has happened.
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I'm shocked that DV turned out to be scum, but I'm glad whoever killed him succeeded.
Vote: CFC
I'm still convinced that this is the right next step.
Any reason or are you just want to target me because you think I am an easy mislynch? Can you come up with a single case? A mislynch will give scum an easy win at this point. We have to be careful. Snap bad decisions will only let scum win this game.
Kod how do you explain your abilities seem to do what you claim your abilities don't do, like killing Brinato when you said that you just took latinum from him and that shouldn't have killed him. Yet he was lying dead after you used your ability. There are just too many questions about your actions. Your seemingly flavor mismatch is just another thing that your words don't match what has happened.
I'm shocked that DV turned out to be scum, but I'm glad whoever killed him succeeded.
Vote: CFC
I'm still convinced that this is the right next step.
Any reason or are you just want to target me because you think I am an easy mislynch? Can you come up with a single case? A mislynch will give scum an easy win at this point. We have to be careful. Snap bad decisions will only let scum win this game.
Kod how do you explain your abilities seem to do what you claim your abilities don't do, like killing Brinato when you said that you just took latinum from him and that shouldn't have killed him. Yet he was lying dead after you used your ability. There are just too many questions about your actions. Your seemingly flavor mismatch is just another thing that your words don't match what has happened.
Expand on this please.
You explain your case against me first.
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No, I haven't forgotten that you obtained your gun from targeting Kosa since he is a borg. Unlike you, none of my abilities give me the ability to kill. So when we talk about a SK being present in the game, you (along with Silver) were one of the people with a claimed way of being able to kill someone. At no point since that situation has it been brought up again despite their being a second kill floating around (like last night). Basically, you're hiding in plain sight.
As for me, sure, I could be lying and have an unclaimed kill ability if you don't believe me. The same applies to others (read: you) if you don't believe their claim as well.
I've touched on the mafia roleblocking partly already. It makes sense to me that if anyone would roleblock me, it would be scum with a roleblock as opposed to town with a roleblock. People who were town reading me or thought me less likely to be scum than others wouldn't target me given what I'd claim previously. After all, it would be a waste to block a [fake] JoAT that used all their one-shot abilities. Scum on the other hand, especially scum that know me from playing mafia games with me, would second guess town KoD's claim. The only one I can even remotely believe who would think like that would be you. As for other scenarios that may have occurred, do notice I'm working on the assumption that because my abilities failed I must have been roleblocked. I see no reason to assume other things like a partial role block (since all my abilities failed on you -- and I think I mentioned that I see no reason to assume someone gave you a shroud-like ability since no one claimed such an ability and Cyth is the only one with something like that in the first place. A roleblock seems much more likely.).
Targeting issues: I don't see this as a problem the way you do. I target a player and then use abilities. Whether or not you have latnium or loyalty abilities isn't necessary to me targeting you. Here is a good counter example: TS didn't have any latnium or loyalty abilities. I never received a failed action from blocking him with my roleblock ability. Nor did I receive a result confirming it worked mind you (I am never told the ability is successful so as to prevent me from garnering more info from it). If it worked on TS, which it did, then it would work on you minus the fact it failed and I was informed as such that the ability (both) failed. Same idea for the other ability. Even if you don't have any day abilities (and there is no way for us to know that), my ability would still resolve on you (the absence of the day abilities won't interfere with ability being used on you similar to my roleblock ability's use on TS). I feel completely confident that the abilities failing was a direct result of a roleblock as opposed to a targeting issue, otherwise I would have ran into this issue a long time ago (on the first night).
My escalation to roleblock, in your view and maybe others, could be seen as me trying to shrug off the possibility that I committed the kill. But that doesn't make sense. You think I'm the SK. As the SK rather than not claim a bunch of issues like targeting people that were killed and claiming being roleblocked, I decided to claim this all with the expressed intent of pushing your lynch. As the SK. Why? The approach is certainly not befitting a SK. It's befitting someone who is being upfront about everything.
@Cat:
I've already explained everything. First, the kills that happened on the people I targeted are easily explained as the mafia kills. Mind was the only kill on N2 right? It stands to reason he was the mafia kill (Shock and DV were still around so that's a fair assumption right?). So unless you want to say I am mafia for claiming to have targeted Mind, the only other explanation as to what happened is that I'm being honest in what I've stated. Meaning that what I've said about my abilities is true, but despite that my abilities don't prevent a night kill (in the case of Mind, my ability would have reduced his latnium by 2, then if he had no latnium remaining he would have been spared a death from having no latnium and lost all abilities and characteristics related to being Ferengi -- effectively he would be a vanilla town). I just got real unlucky targeting the same players twice in a row that the mafia targeted.
And don't even start trying to bandwagon on the flavor "mismatch". You can read from the short description of Mirror Universe Odo that he is a stickler for law, order, and obedience (I say law because of the rules he developed, and you can think of rules as being laws). It's not a stretch, given that my MU Odo replaced the normal universe's Odo, to come to the flavor result that is being presented by my role off of that.
As a by the by Cat, you're probably the last remaining scum (assuming there is a SK in this game and it is Half as opposed to 2 remaining scum). It hasn't been forgotten that your predecessor did try to use an ability on Silver that would have resulted in his death. The only saving grace for you here is dependent on how Half flips. I'll explain by asking Kosa a question.
@Kosa: You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right? Could, as an example, this trigger off of one being mafia and the other being a serial killer (self aligned)? I would assume so since self is its own alignment.
Kosa: "Hey guys I know there's at least one scum in H_T and CFC!"
H_T: "Cool! But let's lynch KoD now. Look at his flavour. He's totally the SK."
Then KoD flips town and toMorrow we enter LyLo having to decide which one of you or CFC is scum. Yeah. But no.
Vote Half_Time
@KoD: it doesn't tell if they are from different alignments, it tells if they are on a QT besides mine. If, say, a town and an SK were in it, it wouldn't proc. Since it did, there's at least one scum in it.
It's pretty convenient that you magically forget what it is I actually do. Obtaining a kill is a secondary function of my role stopping ability. One that creates situations where people have claimed to have their abilities fail like Tom claimed with Silver when he targeted him in the same night that I did. But let's tuck into your claim stacked on my claim. You've claimed you can use any number of abilities in a night. This means if you have an unclaimed kill ability you can use that in addition to any number of other claimed abilities used. So saying you targeted me with two abilities that failed doesn't exclude the possibility you did throw a kill into the mix. Now you're asserting the mafia must have a Role blocker because your abilities failed yet you discount the possibility of a known town blocker targeting you because from all outward appearances you'd be vanilla. Well that logic applies to everybody that doesn't know your actual role. But let's not talk about that. Or take into account there's still a role stopper out and about that can shut down only select targets without completely shutting you down. But that aside the validity of your targeting is questionable in the first place. I don't use loyalty or latinum based abilities so I'm not a valid target for your first claimed ability. While I am Vorta I don't have a static day ability. There's currently nothing there to block. Given you've jumped from your abilities failed to you were definitely role blocked I'm having trouble believing you were told anything specific. I'd be willing to bet you were told something along the lines of your ability had no effect to anything that holds a grain of truth on targeting me though. You escalating to role block seems more of an excuse on why you couldn't have been responsible for one of the kills last night.
You're scrambling KoD. Your behavior here doesn't read town!KoD but rather caught!KoD.
Bolded is my emphasis.
How can you assume that when you know (it's in the QT and I know you've read it) I've been specifically told by the mod that my ability on Cyt failed because "the nanoprobes refused to assimilate it because it would detract from a borg ideal of perfection etc etc"?
I've already explained everything. First, the kills that happened on the people I targeted are easily explained as the mafia kills. Mind was the only kill on N2 right? It stands to reason he was the mafia kill (Shock and DV were still around so that's a fair assumption right?). So unless you want to say I am mafia for claiming to have targeted Mind, the only other explanation as to what happened is that I'm being honest in what I've stated. Meaning that what I've said about my abilities is true, but despite that my abilities don't prevent a night kill (in the case of Mind, my ability would have reduced his latnium by 2, then if he had no latnium remaining he would have been spared a death from having no latnium and lost all abilities and characteristics related to being Ferengi -- effectively he would be a vanilla town). I just got real unlucky targeting the same players twice in a row that the mafia targeted.
And don't even start trying to bandwagon on the flavor "mismatch". You can read from the short description of Mirror Universe Odo that he is a stickler for law, order, and obedience (I say law because of the rules he developed, and you can think of rules as being laws). It's not a stretch, given that my MU Odo replaced the normal universe's Odo, to come to the flavor result that is being presented by my role off of that.
As a by the by Cat, you're probably the last remaining scum (assuming there is a SK in this game and it is Half as opposed to 2 remaining scum). It hasn't been forgotten that your predecessor did try to use an ability on Silver that would have resulted in his death. The only saving grace for you here is dependent on how Half flips. I'll explain by asking Kosa a question.
Just to make sure I'm clear on this, the reason you are cleared from killing the people you target is the mafia killed them at the same time you targeted them. That is your claim? You do realize how convenient of a defense that is. For the record, Brinato was the only one I remember there being that you claimed to have targeted. No one accused you of killing of killing Mindreaver. So...you killed/targeted two people (the targeted ones died). It is conveniently the people you targeted just happened to be killed by mafia targeting the person you also targeted. I'm sure if your are mafia or not, but that is pretty damn interesting. The flavor is funny. I think in all likely it is nothing more than a mismatch of flavor on the mod's part, but that doesn't mean it is not worth pursuing. This is could be the last night, especially if there is a mafia player* that can night kill. We should not lynch anyone unless we but one (I doubt mafia would vote themselves) all agreeing that this is the scum. If we mislynch, it could cost us the game.
As to what dota did, I wish I had the notes of why he did it. All I have is what you have. Silver himself said that dota actions made sense if dota thought silver was scum, which was not a completely unrealistic thought. Personally, I wouldn't have gone for it, because I wasn't really get too much of a scum read on silver, but he was a more experienced mafia player, so he might have picked up on something I missed. If that is what you want to hand me on, I can't really do anything. If the rest of town feels my hanging will help them win, then I will take the noose. I just want to make sure town wins, but I would like to make it to the end and win with the rest of town. That's why I see myself as a mislynch, and I see those that are gunning for my lynching as either mafia or those taken by some bad decisions by predecessor and my early fumbling.
One quick question...are scum and mafia interchangeable terms, or am I missing something?
I have some fun stuff to discuss about wheat grinder, but I want him to answer my question first.
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#225: feels like a genuine attempt at solving stuff. The "LEAVE SOMETHING TO QUESTION DAMMIT!" part could be seen as Silver Rage, but the emote after it looks like as just a playful comment.
Also, I don't see how scum!DoTA would ask D_V that question. It would be a bold thing for scum to do, from an interactions' standpoint, but absolutely unnecessary that early in the game: it's bad because it places both his scumbuddies at a terrible position depending on D_V's answer, even considering daychat.
Also, that self-awareness on col_mongoose also makes no sense from a scum standpoint: at that point in the game, DoTA wasn't tied to anyone, opinion-wise. He could've fabricated his opinion on literally any other player. And yet he chooses to vote col_mongoose because (aside his Rhand scumread) of his 2 posts with minimal content while noting he was the pot calling the kettle black? In what world is that a good scum move? I don't dig it.
He stays on c_m in his next couple posts, actively asking question and putting him against the wall, while also tackling other issues in the game. I don't believe his read was fabricated.
#1198: I also see that as a game-solving attempt. He could be scum trying to clear shock, but all his reads sound genuine to me. He clears tom in a non-buddying way. In his next post, #1748, he's very firm in his town!TS read at a moment where he could just easily jump on the wagon (as both Shock and D_V did: Shock hammers TS in #1843).
This is not a scum mindset, not at all. I won't be voting CFC.
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
* Cythare jumps up and lightly bats Wheat_Grinder in the face, then looks at Kosakosa and stares back and forth at Chandra's Fiery Cat and Half_Time. She walks over to D_V's seat from yesterday, circles it a couple times, and then pounces on Half_Time. *
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
I said before if kosa is to be believed then half time is scum. It does seem most likely that kosa is actually telling the truth. Half time has done a lot of questionable acts that I mentioned earlier. I am must trying to figure who all is scum in case there is another scum person. So far, it is you, kosa, and wheat grinder. Cythare and myself are the only ones I am sure are town, since I know myself and the cat is usually town. Right now, Wheat Grinder is the most likely as the other scum buddy. You have some negatives that need a better explanation. I am trying to read your motives, and this is not actually easy to clear you as town when you have done some real shady things. Your motives are not completely scummy though. Even DV who later flipped scum even said mafia had no motivation in killing them. There is not too much stock to put into what mafia say, but this can at least be true. You are right in why would you claim your actions that target but did not kill, and that is what I am trying to wrap my head around. It can go either way of the argument. That is why the flavor does matter. If that is another mismatch, it is further in the gate that your story mismatches.
I can see a case for HF being scum. His interactions are very shady without a good excuse. Yours is shady, but at least kod has a reasonable excuse.
As for dota, I cannot go back and easily put myself into what he was thinking. It seems like a mistake from my point of view but there could have been reasonable arguments in his head. I wouldn't have done it, even if I was there at the time, but that doesn't matter too much in regards to the actions. If you want to lynch me for that, I understand. I can't argue it. I just assume he though silver was scum and thought it was an easy way to kill a scum early. That is my thoughts about it. I have been as transparent as possible. If I'm missing something, please point it out.
I am not against a half lynch...that sounds wrong. A Half time lynch sounds like something really bad in Football. But jokes aside, I thought about it does make sense. The kosa thing really is damning, and I can't come up with a reason to disbelieve kosa. If he did it publicly, ten it would be easily to argue it as a gambit, but doing it with the three of us privately means he is trying to figure out who is scum. If he was mafia, he would already know and it would be meaningless.
Right now, I am going Half time then Wheat Grinder, then KoD, then Kosa, then Cythare, then me in lynch order.
Vote half_Time
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So here's where I believe we are: if H_T flips town we probably lost unless scum correctly pin the SK, if there's one.
It's probably KoD, but there's an off chance that Cyt lied about his bulletproofness and is actually the SK: she's been lurking the past couple Days and not doing much ever since pretty much everybody had her as virtually confirmed town. That still would be bastardish modding, but I'll save my comments on that if and only if Cyt indeed turns out to be non-town.
It's not Wheat because that's flat-out bastardry and it's not me because all my Night actions are accounted for.
If H_T flips scum we still have work to do in order to solve this game, but KoD probably is the correct lynch nonetheless. It could be CFC, but KoD's Night actions pattern is way shadier, as well as convenient, than the rest. Also, it doesn't make sense for sk!DoTA to have attempted to kill Silver on N1, since Silver himself was thought to be the neutral at that point.
I'll just hope H_T flips scum and we lynch KoD toMorrow to win.
I'm going to throw the same thing I said to Cat at you.
What about what I've claimed is convenient? If I'm the SK, you're asserting that I decided it was better for me to claim all this stuff that would make me potentially suspect as opposed to keeping quiet about it. And claiming all this to accomplish what? Pushing a lynch on Half? How is that a SK mentality?
I'm going to throw the same thing I said to Cat at you.
What about what I've claimed is convenient? If I'm the SK, you're asserting that I decided it was better for me to claim all this stuff that would make me potentially suspect as opposed to keeping quiet about it. And claiming all this to accomplish what? Pushing a lynch on Half? How is that a SK mentality?
WIFOM. You'd be doing exactly what I did at Daybreak 2, in an attempt to be seen as town the same way I was. The different, of course, is that I gave plenty of time for town to lynch me if so they wished and in the meantime proved myself as a town member by my behavior and proven Night actions, whereas you're attempting to use your claim as the means to save yourself from PoE. It's a glaring mindset difference.
Also, why are you all of a sudden being inconsistent? If Half flips as town, then by your own words that would make Cat scum would it not?
Yeah, but it wouldn't matter. Considering a SK and town!H_T, toMorrow would be consisted of 3~4 players, of which 1 scum (CFC) and 1 SK. Any townies alive would effectively just be playing Kingmaker.
So, if H_T is town and scum/SK fail to kill one another, we lost even knowing for sure CFC is scum.
In no way can Wheat ever be scum. Unless one of you found evidence to the contrary regarding what Killjoy confirmed in thread (note: I never bothered looking this up), Killjoy confirmed that Wheat was confirmed as town to him. Since Kill died as town, it stands to reason he was honest. Therefore Wheat is town for sure. Like, more sure than Cyth being town. That's how town Wheat is.
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
I said before if kosa is to be believed then half time is scum. It does seem most likely that kosa is actually telling the truth. Half time has done a lot of questionable acts that I mentioned earlier. I am must trying to figure who all is scum in case there is another scum person. So far, it is you, kosa, and wheat grinder. Cythare and myself are the only ones I am sure are town, since I know myself and the cat is usually town. Right now, Wheat Grinder is the most likely as the other scum buddy. You have some negatives that need a better explanation. I am trying to read your motives, and this is not actually easy to clear you as town when you have done some real shady things. Your motives are not completely scummy though. Even DV who later flipped scum even said mafia had no motivation in killing them. There is not too much stock to put into what mafia say, but this can at least be true. You are right in why would you claim your actions that target but did not kill, and that is what I am trying to wrap my head around. It can go either way of the argument. That is why the flavor does matter. If that is another mismatch, it is further in the gate that your story mismatches.
I can see a case for HF being scum. His interactions are very shady without a good excuse. Yours is shady, but at least kod has a reasonable excuse.
As for dota, I cannot go back and easily put myself into what he was thinking. It seems like a mistake from my point of view but there could have been reasonable arguments in his head. I wouldn't have done it, even if I was there at the time, but that doesn't matter too much in regards to the actions. If you want to lynch me for that, I understand. I can't argue it. I just assume he though silver was scum and thought it was an easy way to kill a scum early. That is my thoughts about it. I have been as transparent as possible. If I'm missing something, please point it out.
I am not against a half lynch...that sounds wrong. A Half time lynch sounds like something really bad in Football. But jokes aside, I thought about it does make sense. The kosa thing really is damning, and I can't come up with a reason to disbelieve kosa. If he did it publicly, ten it would be easily to argue it as a gambit, but doing it with the three of us privately means he is trying to figure out who is scum. If he was mafia, he would already know and it would be meaningless.
Right now, I am going Half time then Wheat Grinder, then KoD, then Kosa, then Cythare, then me in lynch order.
Vote half_Time
* Cythare bats at Chandra's Fiery Cat and rolls an extremely large blue ball at Wheat_Grinder. *
DV said what about mafia having no motives to kill them? He was scum, and likely didn't expect to die. What makes you think what he said should be taken at face value (in that mafia had no motive for killing "them")?
As for reading me, you've got two options. You read me as scum because of what you've already been talking about (that I targeted people that died therefore I must have been the one to kill them -- you already know my opinion on this). The other way is to read me as town on this because of what I've already explained concerning this. Matter of fact, did you even address what I said concerning that? I'm pretty sure I posed several questions to you about the motivation, as scum, for me claiming those targets when I could have been silent the entire time and never claimed them. After all, no one questioned my claim fake claim I made about having 3 one-shot abilities. Why not maintain that as opposed to claiming something entirely else that not only reveals more information about my role, but also directly links me to having targeted players that were killed on nights 2 and 3 (by my words I targeted them)?
It's no more complicated than that. You either believe what I'm saying, or you don't. If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am scum who willingly claimed information when he didn't have to. If you do believe me, then I claimed said information with the express intent of showing my full hand with nothing else to hide per my own word while trying to push a lynch on Half.
What do you think about what I've claimed wrt to the two scenarios? Am I scum who willingly volunteered information when he didn't have to, or am I town who info dumped?
No, that is not why flavor. At least not entirely in the way you may be viewing it. Actually yeah, flavor (as far as story stuff) doesn't matter. What does matter is what I've claimed regarding my abilities. Note that I said one of my abilities interacted with Jem'Hadar and Vorta (to make it so they can't use day abilities). Remember I pursued Tom extremely hard and accused him of having a day ability to investigate someone for a name. I pursued tom because of this ability and because I was convinced Half was much more townie than tom was acting (and in a bubble, I still believe that). Tom flipped town though. That leaves Half. Not to mention that despite my fake claim, I ended up failing my abilities which, as I've said, makes me believe I was targeted by a role block. Half is the only person alive that has played multiple games with me. Everyone else hasn't. Based on what I had claimed, they didn't have any reason to necessarily believe I was lying about my claim. Half I do believe would question me (not to mention I seem to be similar to him in approaches if not in style).
Main point though is that my flavor hasn't had an impact on the game. The only impact "flavor-wise" would be the fact that an ability of mine seemingly indicated Tom and Half, and those are the two who I've pursued (also because of other circumstances mentioned already).
What do you think about what I've claimed wrt to the two scenarios? Am I scum who willingly volunteered information when he didn't have to, or am I town who info dumped?
* Cythare rolls two white balls towards KingofDominaria. *
Don't throw that WIFOM crap at me. Practically all this whole game a majority of you have sat there talking about reading why a person would do what they did. Is it possible that as scum I could decide to go off the deep end and claim stuff in such a way that puts me in danger? Sure.
That being said, that's ignoring a LOT of context. That's ignoring that as scum, I could have played a safe route by keeping my mouth shut and not volunteering information. That's ignoring that, as town, I would willingly claim information to make sure things are at least accurate on my end to help solve the game state. Also, what you did D2 and what I've done are two different matters entirely. Yours was strictly a flavor issue with people being distrusting of borg. Mine is a mechanical issue where in I ended up targeting someone that ended up dead the next day.
And don't even get me started on who looks more town. For a majority of the game I was town read by practically everyone. You're going to tell me that I decided to willingly destroy how I was being town read by everyone by claiming information I didn't have to claim? And to gain what? Half's lynch like I kept pressing? Give me a break. I wasn't even being looked at for (idk even know what POE stands for) POE since we had like Tom, Cat, and Half before you'd even get to me if it would be me at all (I believe DV was even before me for some if not most people).
Concerning Kingmaker:
If, if Half is town and IF there is a SK present in the game along with 1 scum, then yes you're right. Effectively town would have no way to win, but at the moment that's something to be considered once we cross that bridge into that game state.
DV said what about mafia having no motives to kill them? He was scum, and likely didn't expect to die. What makes you think what he said should be taken at face value (in that mafia had no motive for killing "them")?
As for reading me, you've got two options. You read me as scum because of what you've already been talking about (that I targeted people that died therefore I must have been the one to kill them -- you already know my opinion on this). The other way is to read me as town on this because of what I've already explained concerning this. Matter of fact, did you even address what I said concerning that? I'm pretty sure I posed several questions to you about the motivation, as scum, for me claiming those targets when I could have been silent the entire time and never claimed them. After all, no one questioned my claim fake claim I made about having 3 one-shot abilities. Why not maintain that as opposed to claiming something entirely else that not only reveals more information about my role, but also directly links me to having targeted players that were killed on nights 2 and 3 (by my words I targeted them)?
It's no more complicated than that. You either believe what I'm saying, or you don't. If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am scum who willingly claimed information when he didn't have to. If you do believe me, then I claimed said information with the express intent of showing my full hand with nothing else to hide per my own word while trying to push a lynch on Half.
I said before I don't believe your claims are real. I said there are plausible excuses for your actions but I only believe yours more than Half Time's. I will look into this toMorrow, if there is one. Hopefully Half life was the last scum and we can end this a win for town.
In no way can Wheat ever be scum. Unless one of you found evidence to the contrary regarding what Killjoy confirmed in thread (note: I never bothered looking this up), Killjoy confirmed that Wheat was confirmed as town to him. Since Kill died as town, it stands to reason he was honest. Therefore Wheat is town for sure. Like, more sure than Cyth being town. That's how town Wheat is.
I missed that. Wheat's actions are suspect, but if he was confirmed town, then that makes KoD the most likely scum. I'll check it out and see. KoD is suspect. Things he does just do not add up. There is a plausible excuse, but when he the least likely town, his actions speak louder than any excuses. Note, this is assuming Wheat Grinder was town cleared. i'm not ready to jump on board with that, but I will definitely look into it if there is a toMorrow.
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And pretty much everything else.
@Kosa: You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right? Could, as an example, this trigger off of one being mafia and the other being a serial killer (self aligned)? I would assume so since self is its own alignment.
Just noticed this.
If this isn't a neutral freaking out that, out of nowhere, he could be cop'ed overNight, then I don't know what it is
The game is now over. Cythare (Spot, Feral Serial Killer) has won.
This one's going to require some explanation. Cythare was a bulletproof, double-voting serial killer in possession of a phaser, whose night abilities worked similarly to latinum and loyalty abilities (the phaser was taken from col_mongoose, who was playing Worf, Rookie Security Chief, and its ultimate vaporize ability was ironically meant to bypass the bulletproof ability). With Half_Time lynched, five players enter the night phase. Cythare shot Kosakosa overnight and used the phaser to stun KingofDominaria into losing his vote the next day. The mafia shot Wheat_Grinder. This results in any continued play being trivial.
The station's lights dim and a familiar lens filter descends over the station. From out of the viewports, the station's inhabitants can see a refit Constitution class ship drop out of warp and begin flying towards the upper docking pylons. It holds station two hundred metres away.
"Lovely, isn't it?" Comes the Prophet's voice as she strolls into the promenade. She's still in the form of an Orion woman, but now wears the uniform of a Federation fleet admiral of the late 23rd century, clean and pristine to parade ground standards. She holds Silvercrys' decapitated head in one hand. "That's what the USS Event Horizon looks like from the outside. Doesn't seem quite so scary now, does it?"
The Prophet tosses Silvercrys' head onto the dabo table, which spins around for a moment before stopping with a series of beeps.
"Dabo!"
Q appears with a flash of light, flanked by two other Q. To say they have anger on their faces would be a gross understatement, like saying the Dominion war was a minor skirmish against a small advance force.
The Prophet rolls her eyes. "I'd complain about you breaking our agreement, but I think we both know that'd be pointless."
"My agreement was with the Prophets," Q says grimly. "Not with the Pah Wraiths."
The Pah Wraith shrugs. "The fact that you say this like some kind of big reveal is really depressing, you know that? Seriously, show of hands. Who here was surprised by that? Anyone? Thought so. Here, I'll help you out with any of the dots you couldn't connect. I start by taking control of the Event Horizon, then I use it to spread tachyons around the station and wormhole, blinding the Prophets. I infiltrate their ranks and make a deal with you to find the best people to prevent a 'cosmic disaster' you somehow believed was imminent. Do you know what my goal was, or do I have to tell you?"
"To create a new Cult of the Pah Wraiths," Q suggests.
The Pah Wraith balks. "No, you idiot."
She waves towards a certain station inhabitant. The feline bounds up at one of the attendant Q, fiery red light surrounding her. Her claws sink into the cosmic being's back, tearing the being in half.
"And that's how you kill a Q," the Pah Wraith announces. She raises her hands and fiery light burns the other attendant Q out from the inside.
"You needed a new Emissary," Q says with pained realization.
"The Kosst Amojan was a fool to pick Dukat," the Pah Wraith explains. "Oh, to be certain, I'd have formed a new Cult if Spot proved herself unworthy, but she passed my test with flying colours. She truly wears the mantle of Emissary of the Pah Wraiths. And with a true Emissary at my side, my powers have grown considerably. Now, no entity in the universe, neither the Prophets nor the Q Continuum, can rival me."
"You were just using us?" Half_Time demands, stepping forward.
"Us?" Kosakosa asks. "You're one of them, aren't you?" His eyes dart to the Pah Wraith. "Even if we can't stop you, we can stop one of your worshippers. Let's go!"
The rest of the station's inhabitants pull out their weapons and gun down Half_Time. It's a tender mercy for him, they realize, but when cosmic forces are involved, you have to take what influence you can get.
Q snaps his fingers, but nothing happens. He throws a confused look at the Pah Wraith, who's now brandishing her whip. She lashes him once, twice, a third time, sending him to the floor in pain. With a few hateful words, she kneels down and grabs him by the scruff of the neck, picking him up and throwing him into the bar. Bottles shatter and a rainbow of different liquids pour onto the helpless Q.
"Your powers have been sealed," the Pah Wraith says as she strolls behind the bar. She picks Q up again. "But I'm not going to kill you. Oh, no. The Prophets may have transcended time, but the Q have transcended space. I'm going to study you and see if I can correct my... limitations."
A Federation-style transporter beam takes Q away. "The Event Horizon's science facilities should be up to the task of containing and studying him." The Pah Wraith gazes at the station's remaining inhabitants. "That just leaves the rest of you." She nods to Spot. "Since you've been such a good Emissary in training, I'll let you choose one lucky mortal to die. The rest can come with me to the Event Horizon."
Spot hisses in excitement and pulls a phaser out of her fur. Firing a quick stun shot at KingofDominaria, she lunges at Kosakosa, ripping his throat cleanly with her claws. Kosakosa stumbles to the floor, blood seeping into the deck plates in an almost artistic pattern.
"We have a winner," the Pah Wraith announces. "Now, if you'll all kindly line up and—"
"**** you!" Shouts Chandra's Fiery Cat, leveling a disrupter shot at Wheat_Grinder. Wheat_Grinder screams as his constituent atoms are torn apart, leaving only the Pah Wraith, Spot, the dazed KingofDominaria, and Chandra's Fiery Cat. Any further aggressive momentum is halted by a transporter beam taking Chandra's Fiery Cat away.
"Well," says the Pah Wraith. She shakes her head. "At least we had a volunteer. What a buzzkill, though."
The Pah Wraith turns away as KingofDominaria is beamed out of the station. Spot in tow, she strolls down one of the corridors, which fades away into the Event Horizon's bridge. Spot leaps up onto the navigation console and presses a few buttons. The ship turns and heads towards the wormhole. With their powers blocked, the Prophets stand no chance against an empowered Pah Wraith and her similarly empowered Emissary. With a bright flash, the gates of the celestial temple begin to burn in space. The Event Horizon may not be able to hold Q forever, but it will be enough if it can hold him long enough to discover the secrets of his powers.
Darkness descends over the station, then the Alpha Quadrant, and eventually the whole galaxy, before all alights in the flames of the Pah Wraith.
Weyoun, Kai of the Bajoran Ascendancy has been lynched.
I mean, "whenever there's three or more people concurrently in the neighbor network, I'm informed if any of them is also in another QT" is totally the same as "You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right?", right?
Been busier than busy this week and will likely be so for the next week. I've done the quickest of skim, but I need to go back and read through the claim and reactions.
But,
vote teradas
I didn't not vote yesterday because I couldn't. I'll leave that until a vote count so you stop worrying about that. I hope to be back tonight!
If Taredas is scum I will literally paypal $5 to annorax for finally having the balls to make Spot scum.
This is a bad vote.
I just had to find the right place to do it. Seems to have worked
The full setup will come once we've got it in a postable format, which should be later tonight.
I have to make a store run, then I'll be sanitizing the setup document (removing things that were lazily left in there after reviewers told me to pull them from the game, so that I'd be able to find them when I go back to the well for MU5), adding some flavor annotations to explain things in more detail (KoD's claim, for example... I'd bet $100 that none of you guys have read the book I pulled that from) and detailing exactly where I ****ed up in design that let Cythare pull off that Exodia of a win.
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and detailing exactly where I ****ed up in design that let Cythare pull off that Exodia of a win.
To be fair, that double modkill was super rough and basically put the town and scum both into "lynch the cat right away or lose" mode. Like, the town was basically unable to win after that. It was just a toss-up as to whether the scum would win by lynching the SK, or whether the SK would ride townreads to victory.
Design issues were one thing, but the SK not getting lynched, being vaporized by the phaser, or getting investigated was on the players.
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But you possibly lying aside, I think your new claim information is even more telling when you take the time to listen to what DV was gracious enough to tell us. DV seemed quite convinced there was an SK. He was also quite adamant that Brin was not a maf hit. You could say DV was trying to swerve attention away from mafs, but at that point Tom and Wheat both had DV in the town circle so there's little benefit for DV to do that as opposed to simply trying to point everybody to the town players outside of the town circle. His comment that the only way he believed mafia had killed brin was if a redirect was involved weighs it heavily in my mind that that was a true statement for him. And if we take it to be truth that DV knew the scum didn't kill Brin then we have an unaccounted for kill on our hands and unclaimed target that KoD is now claiming. Coupled with the flavor disconnect and I'm 100% certain we have our SK.
The question now is do we think it's possible there are two scum left plus an SK? If we do, we should remove the SK now, permanently eliminating a second non town kill that could wreck town's ability to hold majority in coming lynches. If we don't think its possible then it wouldn't matter if we eliminated maf first or SK first. For the time being I'm going to vote SK. Traditional balance has me thinking we are looking at 4-1-1 left which pretty much makes them both equal threats now anyways. But since all of the town votes will need to be consolidated on this I will jump to chandy if that's where cyth and wheat think we should be as the townliest among us.
vote: KoD
Cythare is town.
KoD has done some shady stuff. I'll go over it later after I finish with some stuff I'm doing. Leaning scum.
Half Time has done one strange action after another. The not using the kill shot was weird. And this bring forward of what happened with Kosa is too much like flailing. I'm sure there is more. Leaning Scum
I didn't know what to say outside of my hi. At which point, there really isn't a point to posting there since its out in the open. I'm not seeing a reason for scum to do this, but I can see a reason for town. At this moment, I am leaning town with Kosa.
Kod is my current read for scum. Kosa's ability makes HT a strong pick for scum if he is telling the truth, I am more inclined to believe at the moment due to it not having any real benefit to scum to me.
And pretty much everything else.
Flavor aside, I'm not even going to bother guessing what DV, as scum, was thinking. Fable I can reasonably manage to guess about, but ultimately with them being mafia their motives are unknown.
Wrt to me claiming Brin, why would I do that? Not only that, but how could I kill since I was roleblocked? Unless you're going to say that, despite everything I'm claiming, I'm lying about everything I'm claiming, then there is no leg for you stand on by throwing such an absurd accusation at me. You're the one who claimed an ability to generate a vig shot after all. I haven't claimed anything remotely close to vigging. The only thing that could be close to a kill ability for me would be my ability to reduce a target's latnium by 2 (if you believe my claim) while disbelieving that I am being honest about it preventing their death from having no latnium. Only then could you connect me to having killed Brin since I claimed targeting Brin.
Simply put, if I were an SK, it makes no sense for me to come out claiming all this stuff that puts me in a precarious position strictly for trying to push your lynch. The idea I'm a SK is bs.
Vote: CFC
I'm still convinced that this is the right next step.
If it's not, I'll eat my hat.
As for Brin, you claimed your abilities failed the next night when you targeted me not when you targeted Brin. So your whole point about being role blocked isn't even applicable if true as during your initial claim you didn't say you were blocked, you said your abilities failed. There are multiple scenarios on why an ability might fail and only one where you are completely shut down. Since you specifically said your abilities failed and not that you were role blocked initially I see no reason to believe you were completely shut down.
As for Brin, yes I claimed my abilities failed on you. On a night when two kills occurred (one on scum and one on town). Now as far as I am aware we haven't had anyone talking about abilities flat out failing. To my knowledge, Cyth is the only one who is even protected in such a way where a person using an ability on her would fail (I believe this happened with Kosa N1). I didn't target Cyth, and no one has claimed an ability to shield someone so the obvious conclusion for me to draw is that my abilities failing indicates I was roleblocked. All you're doing is speculating on other scenarios which are not as plausible given what we know is claimed.
Still, despite that you're entertaining I must be the SK despite me being honest before (referring to the fact that I did target TS and that I did cop his name correctly).
Taking everything I've told into account while considering what Kosa has brought up, I'm hardly the person of interest here. We've got 3 scum dead out of a 19 player game leaving us with either 2 mafia or 1 mafia and 1 sk/self. Out of everything claimed, you've claimed the ability to obtain a kill. A kill which mysteriously disappeared going into the next day. Whereas with me I've at least had 1 thing (implicitly/explicitly) verified wrt to what I was saying.
I'm willing to bet you're projecting as far as the SK thing goes.
You're scrambling KoD. Your behavior here doesn't read town!KoD but rather caught!KoD.
Any reason or are you just want to target me because you think I am an easy mislynch? Can you come up with a single case? A mislynch will give scum an easy win at this point. We have to be careful. Snap bad decisions will only let scum win this game.
Kod how do you explain your abilities seem to do what you claim your abilities don't do, like killing Brinato when you said that you just took latinum from him and that shouldn't have killed him. Yet he was lying dead after you used your ability. There are just too many questions about your actions. Your seemingly flavor mismatch is just another thing that your words don't match what has happened.
And pretty much everything else.
Expand on this please.
You explain your case against me first.
And pretty much everything else.
Or pets of ladies first.
No, I haven't forgotten that you obtained your gun from targeting Kosa since he is a borg. Unlike you, none of my abilities give me the ability to kill. So when we talk about a SK being present in the game, you (along with Silver) were one of the people with a claimed way of being able to kill someone. At no point since that situation has it been brought up again despite their being a second kill floating around (like last night). Basically, you're hiding in plain sight.
As for me, sure, I could be lying and have an unclaimed kill ability if you don't believe me. The same applies to others (read: you) if you don't believe their claim as well.
I've touched on the mafia roleblocking partly already. It makes sense to me that if anyone would roleblock me, it would be scum with a roleblock as opposed to town with a roleblock. People who were town reading me or thought me less likely to be scum than others wouldn't target me given what I'd claim previously. After all, it would be a waste to block a [fake] JoAT that used all their one-shot abilities. Scum on the other hand, especially scum that know me from playing mafia games with me, would second guess town KoD's claim. The only one I can even remotely believe who would think like that would be you. As for other scenarios that may have occurred, do notice I'm working on the assumption that because my abilities failed I must have been roleblocked. I see no reason to assume other things like a partial role block (since all my abilities failed on you -- and I think I mentioned that I see no reason to assume someone gave you a shroud-like ability since no one claimed such an ability and Cyth is the only one with something like that in the first place. A roleblock seems much more likely.).
Targeting issues: I don't see this as a problem the way you do. I target a player and then use abilities. Whether or not you have latnium or loyalty abilities isn't necessary to me targeting you. Here is a good counter example: TS didn't have any latnium or loyalty abilities. I never received a failed action from blocking him with my roleblock ability. Nor did I receive a result confirming it worked mind you (I am never told the ability is successful so as to prevent me from garnering more info from it). If it worked on TS, which it did, then it would work on you minus the fact it failed and I was informed as such that the ability (both) failed. Same idea for the other ability. Even if you don't have any day abilities (and there is no way for us to know that), my ability would still resolve on you (the absence of the day abilities won't interfere with ability being used on you similar to my roleblock ability's use on TS). I feel completely confident that the abilities failing was a direct result of a roleblock as opposed to a targeting issue, otherwise I would have ran into this issue a long time ago (on the first night).
My escalation to roleblock, in your view and maybe others, could be seen as me trying to shrug off the possibility that I committed the kill. But that doesn't make sense. You think I'm the SK. As the SK rather than not claim a bunch of issues like targeting people that were killed and claiming being roleblocked, I decided to claim this all with the expressed intent of pushing your lynch. As the SK. Why? The approach is certainly not befitting a SK. It's befitting someone who is being upfront about everything.
@Cat:
I've already explained everything. First, the kills that happened on the people I targeted are easily explained as the mafia kills. Mind was the only kill on N2 right? It stands to reason he was the mafia kill (Shock and DV were still around so that's a fair assumption right?). So unless you want to say I am mafia for claiming to have targeted Mind, the only other explanation as to what happened is that I'm being honest in what I've stated. Meaning that what I've said about my abilities is true, but despite that my abilities don't prevent a night kill (in the case of Mind, my ability would have reduced his latnium by 2, then if he had no latnium remaining he would have been spared a death from having no latnium and lost all abilities and characteristics related to being Ferengi -- effectively he would be a vanilla town). I just got real unlucky targeting the same players twice in a row that the mafia targeted.
And don't even start trying to bandwagon on the flavor "mismatch". You can read from the short description of Mirror Universe Odo that he is a stickler for law, order, and obedience (I say law because of the rules he developed, and you can think of rules as being laws). It's not a stretch, given that my MU Odo replaced the normal universe's Odo, to come to the flavor result that is being presented by my role off of that.
As a by the by Cat, you're probably the last remaining scum (assuming there is a SK in this game and it is Half as opposed to 2 remaining scum). It hasn't been forgotten that your predecessor did try to use an ability on Silver that would have resulted in his death. The only saving grace for you here is dependent on how Half flips. I'll explain by asking Kosa a question.
@Kosa: You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right? Could, as an example, this trigger off of one being mafia and the other being a serial killer (self aligned)? I would assume so since self is its own alignment.
H_T: "Cool! But let's lynch KoD now. Look at his flavour. He's totally the SK."
Then KoD flips town and toMorrow we enter LyLo having to decide which one of you or CFC is scum. Yeah. But no.
Vote Half_Time
@KoD: it doesn't tell if they are from different alignments, it tells if they are on a QT besides mine. If, say, a town and an SK were in it, it wouldn't proc. Since it did, there's at least one scum in it.
Bolded is my emphasis.
How can you assume that when you know (it's in the QT and I know you've read it) I've been specifically told by the mod that my ability on Cyt failed because "the nanoprobes refused to assimilate it because it would detract from a borg ideal of perfection etc etc"?
Just to make sure I'm clear on this, the reason you are cleared from killing the people you target is the mafia killed them at the same time you targeted them. That is your claim? You do realize how convenient of a defense that is. For the record, Brinato was the only one I remember there being that you claimed to have targeted. No one accused you of killing of killing Mindreaver. So...you killed/targeted two people (the targeted ones died). It is conveniently the people you targeted just happened to be killed by mafia targeting the person you also targeted. I'm sure if your are mafia or not, but that is pretty damn interesting. The flavor is funny. I think in all likely it is nothing more than a mismatch of flavor on the mod's part, but that doesn't mean it is not worth pursuing. This is could be the last night, especially if there is a mafia player* that can night kill. We should not lynch anyone unless we but one (I doubt mafia would vote themselves) all agreeing that this is the scum. If we mislynch, it could cost us the game.
As to what dota did, I wish I had the notes of why he did it. All I have is what you have. Silver himself said that dota actions made sense if dota thought silver was scum, which was not a completely unrealistic thought. Personally, I wouldn't have gone for it, because I wasn't really get too much of a scum read on silver, but he was a more experienced mafia player, so he might have picked up on something I missed. If that is what you want to hand me on, I can't really do anything. If the rest of town feels my hanging will help them win, then I will take the noose. I just want to make sure town wins, but I would like to make it to the end and win with the rest of town. That's why I see myself as a mislynch, and I see those that are gunning for my lynching as either mafia or those taken by some bad decisions by predecessor and my early fumbling.
One quick question...are scum and mafia interchangeable terms, or am I missing something?
I have some fun stuff to discuss about wheat grinder, but I want him to answer my question first.
And pretty much everything else.
#225: feels like a genuine attempt at solving stuff. The "LEAVE SOMETHING TO QUESTION DAMMIT!" part could be seen as Silver Rage, but the emote after it looks like as just a playful comment.
Also, I don't see how scum!DoTA would ask D_V that question. It would be a bold thing for scum to do, from an interactions' standpoint, but absolutely unnecessary that early in the game: it's bad because it places both his scumbuddies at a terrible position depending on D_V's answer, even considering daychat.
Also, that self-awareness on col_mongoose also makes no sense from a scum standpoint: at that point in the game, DoTA wasn't tied to anyone, opinion-wise. He could've fabricated his opinion on literally any other player. And yet he chooses to vote col_mongoose because (aside his Rhand scumread) of his 2 posts with minimal content while noting he was the pot calling the kettle black? In what world is that a good scum move? I don't dig it.
He stays on c_m in his next couple posts, actively asking question and putting him against the wall, while also tackling other issues in the game. I don't believe his read was fabricated.
#1198: I also see that as a game-solving attempt. He could be scum trying to clear shock, but all his reads sound genuine to me. He clears tom in a non-buddying way. In his next post, #1748, he's very firm in his town!TS read at a moment where he could just easily jump on the wagon (as both Shock and D_V did: Shock hammers TS in #1843).
This is not a scum mindset, not at all. I won't be voting CFC.
@Cat:
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
Vote Half_Time
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I said before if kosa is to be believed then half time is scum. It does seem most likely that kosa is actually telling the truth. Half time has done a lot of questionable acts that I mentioned earlier. I am must trying to figure who all is scum in case there is another scum person. So far, it is you, kosa, and wheat grinder. Cythare and myself are the only ones I am sure are town, since I know myself and the cat is usually town. Right now, Wheat Grinder is the most likely as the other scum buddy. You have some negatives that need a better explanation. I am trying to read your motives, and this is not actually easy to clear you as town when you have done some real shady things. Your motives are not completely scummy though. Even DV who later flipped scum even said mafia had no motivation in killing them. There is not too much stock to put into what mafia say, but this can at least be true. You are right in why would you claim your actions that target but did not kill, and that is what I am trying to wrap my head around. It can go either way of the argument. That is why the flavor does matter. If that is another mismatch, it is further in the gate that your story mismatches.
I can see a case for HF being scum. His interactions are very shady without a good excuse. Yours is shady, but at least kod has a reasonable excuse.
As for dota, I cannot go back and easily put myself into what he was thinking. It seems like a mistake from my point of view but there could have been reasonable arguments in his head. I wouldn't have done it, even if I was there at the time, but that doesn't matter too much in regards to the actions. If you want to lynch me for that, I understand. I can't argue it. I just assume he though silver was scum and thought it was an easy way to kill a scum early. That is my thoughts about it. I have been as transparent as possible. If I'm missing something, please point it out.
I am not against a half lynch...that sounds wrong. A Half time lynch sounds like something really bad in Football. But jokes aside, I thought about it does make sense. The kosa thing really is damning, and I can't come up with a reason to disbelieve kosa. If he did it publicly, ten it would be easily to argue it as a gambit, but doing it with the three of us privately means he is trying to figure out who is scum. If he was mafia, he would already know and it would be meaningless.
Right now, I am going Half time then Wheat Grinder, then KoD, then Kosa, then Cythare, then me in lynch order.
Vote half_Time
And pretty much everything else.
So here's where I believe we are: if H_T flips town we probably lost unless scum correctly pin the SK, if there's one.
It's probably KoD, but there's an off chance that Cyt lied about his bulletproofness and is actually the SK: she's been lurking the past couple Days and not doing much ever since pretty much everybody had her as virtually confirmed town. That still would be bastardish modding, but I'll save my comments on that if and only if Cyt indeed turns out to be non-town.
It's not Wheat because that's flat-out bastardry and it's not me because all my Night actions are accounted for.
If H_T flips scum we still have work to do in order to solve this game, but KoD probably is the correct lynch nonetheless. It could be CFC, but KoD's Night actions pattern is way shadier, as well as convenient, than the rest. Also, it doesn't make sense for sk!DoTA to have attempted to kill Silver on N1, since Silver himself was thought to be the neutral at that point.
I'll just hope H_T flips scum and we lynch KoD toMorrow to win.
What about what I've claimed is convenient? If I'm the SK, you're asserting that I decided it was better for me to claim all this stuff that would make me potentially suspect as opposed to keeping quiet about it. And claiming all this to accomplish what? Pushing a lynch on Half? How is that a SK mentality?
WIFOM. You'd be doing exactly what I did at Daybreak 2, in an attempt to be seen as town the same way I was. The different, of course, is that I gave plenty of time for town to lynch me if so they wished and in the meantime proved myself as a town member by my behavior and proven Night actions, whereas you're attempting to use your claim as the means to save yourself from PoE. It's a glaring mindset difference.
Yeah, but it wouldn't matter. Considering a SK and town!H_T, toMorrow would be consisted of 3~4 players, of which 1 scum (CFC) and 1 SK. Any townies alive would effectively just be playing Kingmaker.
So, if H_T is town and scum/SK fail to kill one another, we lost even knowing for sure CFC is scum.
In no way can Wheat ever be scum. Unless one of you found evidence to the contrary regarding what Killjoy confirmed in thread (note: I never bothered looking this up), Killjoy confirmed that Wheat was confirmed as town to him. Since Kill died as town, it stands to reason he was honest. Therefore Wheat is town for sure. Like, more sure than Cyth being town. That's how town Wheat is.
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DV said what about mafia having no motives to kill them? He was scum, and likely didn't expect to die. What makes you think what he said should be taken at face value (in that mafia had no motive for killing "them")?
As for reading me, you've got two options. You read me as scum because of what you've already been talking about (that I targeted people that died therefore I must have been the one to kill them -- you already know my opinion on this). The other way is to read me as town on this because of what I've already explained concerning this. Matter of fact, did you even address what I said concerning that? I'm pretty sure I posed several questions to you about the motivation, as scum, for me claiming those targets when I could have been silent the entire time and never claimed them. After all, no one questioned my claim fake claim I made about having 3 one-shot abilities. Why not maintain that as opposed to claiming something entirely else that not only reveals more information about my role, but also directly links me to having targeted players that were killed on nights 2 and 3 (by my words I targeted them)?
It's no more complicated than that. You either believe what I'm saying, or you don't. If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am scum who willingly claimed information when he didn't have to. If you do believe me, then I claimed said information with the express intent of showing my full hand with nothing else to hide per my own word while trying to push a lynch on Half.
Might as well ask you as well.
What do you think about what I've claimed wrt to the two scenarios? Am I scum who willingly volunteered information when he didn't have to, or am I town who info dumped?
No, that is not why flavor. At least not entirely in the way you may be viewing it. Actually yeah, flavor (as far as story stuff) doesn't matter. What does matter is what I've claimed regarding my abilities. Note that I said one of my abilities interacted with Jem'Hadar and Vorta (to make it so they can't use day abilities). Remember I pursued Tom extremely hard and accused him of having a day ability to investigate someone for a name. I pursued tom because of this ability and because I was convinced Half was much more townie than tom was acting (and in a bubble, I still believe that). Tom flipped town though. That leaves Half. Not to mention that despite my fake claim, I ended up failing my abilities which, as I've said, makes me believe I was targeted by a role block. Half is the only person alive that has played multiple games with me. Everyone else hasn't. Based on what I had claimed, they didn't have any reason to necessarily believe I was lying about my claim. Half I do believe would question me (not to mention I seem to be similar to him in approaches if not in style).
Main point though is that my flavor hasn't had an impact on the game. The only impact "flavor-wise" would be the fact that an ability of mine seemingly indicated Tom and Half, and those are the two who I've pursued (also because of other circumstances mentioned already).
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Don't throw that WIFOM crap at me. Practically all this whole game a majority of you have sat there talking about reading why a person would do what they did. Is it possible that as scum I could decide to go off the deep end and claim stuff in such a way that puts me in danger? Sure.
That being said, that's ignoring a LOT of context. That's ignoring that as scum, I could have played a safe route by keeping my mouth shut and not volunteering information. That's ignoring that, as town, I would willingly claim information to make sure things are at least accurate on my end to help solve the game state. Also, what you did D2 and what I've done are two different matters entirely. Yours was strictly a flavor issue with people being distrusting of borg. Mine is a mechanical issue where in I ended up targeting someone that ended up dead the next day.
And don't even get me started on who looks more town. For a majority of the game I was town read by practically everyone. You're going to tell me that I decided to willingly destroy how I was being town read by everyone by claiming information I didn't have to claim? And to gain what? Half's lynch like I kept pressing? Give me a break. I wasn't even being looked at for (idk even know what POE stands for) POE since we had like Tom, Cat, and Half before you'd even get to me if it would be me at all (I believe DV was even before me for some if not most people).
Concerning Kingmaker:
If, if Half is town and IF there is a SK present in the game along with 1 scum, then yes you're right. Effectively town would have no way to win, but at the moment that's something to be considered once we cross that bridge into that game state.
I'm not cat whisperer. I assume the two white balls means you believe both are possible. Which are you leaning towards more?
I said before I don't believe your claims are real. I said there are plausible excuses for your actions but I only believe yours more than Half Time's. I will look into this toMorrow, if there is one. Hopefully Half life was the last scum and we can end this a win for town.
I missed that. Wheat's actions are suspect, but if he was confirmed town, then that makes KoD the most likely scum. I'll check it out and see. KoD is suspect. Things he does just do not add up. There is a plausible excuse, but when he the least likely town, his actions speak louder than any excuses. Note, this is assuming Wheat Grinder was town cleared. i'm not ready to jump on board with that, but I will definitely look into it if there is a toMorrow.
And pretty much everything else.
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What exactly about my claims are not believable? That I claimed to have targeted each of the people I said I targeted with the abilities I've noted?
@Cyth:
Ok, at least you're not writing off what I've been saying concerning the context. That makes me happy.
*Takes out some catnip and leaves it on the ground.*
Just noticed this.
If this isn't a neutral freaking out that, out of nowhere, he could be cop'ed overNight, then I don't know what it is
At least that's better than, "omg you're totally scum since you told us you did this".
This one's going to require some explanation. Cythare was a bulletproof, double-voting serial killer in possession of a phaser, whose night abilities worked similarly to latinum and loyalty abilities (the phaser was taken from col_mongoose, who was playing Worf, Rookie Security Chief, and its ultimate vaporize ability was ironically meant to bypass the bulletproof ability). With Half_Time lynched, five players enter the night phase. Cythare shot Kosakosa overnight and used the phaser to stun KingofDominaria into losing his vote the next day. The mafia shot Wheat_Grinder. This results in any continued play being trivial.
Setup to come shortly.
"Lovely, isn't it?" Comes the Prophet's voice as she strolls into the promenade. She's still in the form of an Orion woman, but now wears the uniform of a Federation fleet admiral of the late 23rd century, clean and pristine to parade ground standards. She holds Silvercrys' decapitated head in one hand. "That's what the USS Event Horizon looks like from the outside. Doesn't seem quite so scary now, does it?"
The Prophet tosses Silvercrys' head onto the dabo table, which spins around for a moment before stopping with a series of beeps.
"Dabo!"
Q appears with a flash of light, flanked by two other Q. To say they have anger on their faces would be a gross understatement, like saying the Dominion war was a minor skirmish against a small advance force.
The Prophet rolls her eyes. "I'd complain about you breaking our agreement, but I think we both know that'd be pointless."
"My agreement was with the Prophets," Q says grimly. "Not with the Pah Wraiths."
The Pah Wraith shrugs. "The fact that you say this like some kind of big reveal is really depressing, you know that? Seriously, show of hands. Who here was surprised by that? Anyone? Thought so. Here, I'll help you out with any of the dots you couldn't connect. I start by taking control of the Event Horizon, then I use it to spread tachyons around the station and wormhole, blinding the Prophets. I infiltrate their ranks and make a deal with you to find the best people to prevent a 'cosmic disaster' you somehow believed was imminent. Do you know what my goal was, or do I have to tell you?"
"To create a new Cult of the Pah Wraiths," Q suggests.
The Pah Wraith balks. "No, you idiot."
She waves towards a certain station inhabitant. The feline bounds up at one of the attendant Q, fiery red light surrounding her. Her claws sink into the cosmic being's back, tearing the being in half.
"And that's how you kill a Q," the Pah Wraith announces. She raises her hands and fiery light burns the other attendant Q out from the inside.
"You needed a new Emissary," Q says with pained realization.
"The Kosst Amojan was a fool to pick Dukat," the Pah Wraith explains. "Oh, to be certain, I'd have formed a new Cult if Spot proved herself unworthy, but she passed my test with flying colours. She truly wears the mantle of Emissary of the Pah Wraiths. And with a true Emissary at my side, my powers have grown considerably. Now, no entity in the universe, neither the Prophets nor the Q Continuum, can rival me."
"You were just using us?" Half_Time demands, stepping forward.
"Us?" Kosakosa asks. "You're one of them, aren't you?" His eyes dart to the Pah Wraith. "Even if we can't stop you, we can stop one of your worshippers. Let's go!"
The rest of the station's inhabitants pull out their weapons and gun down Half_Time. It's a tender mercy for him, they realize, but when cosmic forces are involved, you have to take what influence you can get.
Q snaps his fingers, but nothing happens. He throws a confused look at the Pah Wraith, who's now brandishing her whip. She lashes him once, twice, a third time, sending him to the floor in pain. With a few hateful words, she kneels down and grabs him by the scruff of the neck, picking him up and throwing him into the bar. Bottles shatter and a rainbow of different liquids pour onto the helpless Q.
"Your powers have been sealed," the Pah Wraith says as she strolls behind the bar. She picks Q up again. "But I'm not going to kill you. Oh, no. The Prophets may have transcended time, but the Q have transcended space. I'm going to study you and see if I can correct my... limitations."
A Federation-style transporter beam takes Q away. "The Event Horizon's science facilities should be up to the task of containing and studying him." The Pah Wraith gazes at the station's remaining inhabitants. "That just leaves the rest of you." She nods to Spot. "Since you've been such a good Emissary in training, I'll let you choose one lucky mortal to die. The rest can come with me to the Event Horizon."
Spot hisses in excitement and pulls a phaser out of her fur. Firing a quick stun shot at KingofDominaria, she lunges at Kosakosa, ripping his throat cleanly with her claws. Kosakosa stumbles to the floor, blood seeping into the deck plates in an almost artistic pattern.
"We have a winner," the Pah Wraith announces. "Now, if you'll all kindly line up and—"
"**** you!" Shouts Chandra's Fiery Cat, leveling a disrupter shot at Wheat_Grinder. Wheat_Grinder screams as his constituent atoms are torn apart, leaving only the Pah Wraith, Spot, the dazed KingofDominaria, and Chandra's Fiery Cat. Any further aggressive momentum is halted by a transporter beam taking Chandra's Fiery Cat away.
"Well," says the Pah Wraith. She shakes her head. "At least we had a volunteer. What a buzzkill, though."
The Pah Wraith turns away as KingofDominaria is beamed out of the station. Spot in tow, she strolls down one of the corridors, which fades away into the Event Horizon's bridge. Spot leaps up onto the navigation console and presses a few buttons. The ship turns and heads towards the wormhole. With their powers blocked, the Prophets stand no chance against an empowered Pah Wraith and her similarly empowered Emissary. With a bright flash, the gates of the celestial temple begin to burn in space. The Event Horizon may not be able to hold Q forever, but it will be enough if it can hold him long enough to discover the secrets of his powers.
Darkness descends over the station, then the Alpha Quadrant, and eventually the whole galaxy, before all alights in the flames of the Pah Wraith.
Weyoun, Kai of the Bajoran Ascendancy has been lynched.
Love,
Kosa.
(Also there's always the mason chat, you know.)
I just had to find the right place to do it. Seems to have worked
Don't you just hate it when you're right?
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There'd have to be a Night before he can do that.
who was scum?
The full setup will come once we've got it in a postable format, which should be later tonight.
From one SK victor to another, congrats.
I have to make a store run, then I'll be sanitizing the setup document (removing things that were lazily left in there after reviewers told me to pull them from the game, so that I'd be able to find them when I go back to the well for MU5), adding some flavor annotations to explain things in more detail (KoD's claim, for example... I'd bet $100 that none of you guys have read the book I pulled that from) and detailing exactly where I ****ed up in design that let Cythare pull off that Exodia of a win.
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Game over guys.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the sigpic.
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To be fair, that double modkill was super rough and basically put the town and scum both into "lynch the cat right away or lose" mode. Like, the town was basically unable to win after that. It was just a toss-up as to whether the scum would win by lynching the SK, or whether the SK would ride townreads to victory.
Design issues were one thing, but the SK not getting lynched, being vaporized by the phaser, or getting investigated was on the players.