Yeah, but it's such a soft argument. Is anyone really going to get lynched because their character doesn't like a town-confirmed character in universe? Especially when the sign-up thread explicitly said alignments have been changed?
I just can't shake the feeling I'm missing something. My gut says Chandra and Zinger are town.
I'm Brunt, a liquidator.
+1 latinum: I can take a latinum from a player I target.
0: latinum: All latinum based abilities are nullified by the player I target for that night.
-4 latinum: Target player loses all latinum abilities for the game. Also they lose all their latinum but cannot die from having zero latinum.
I love latinum.
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I set fire, to the rain.
And pretty much everything else.
I am weyoun. The exact incarnation isn't specified, and the flavor seems generic enough that that is probably intentional. My ability is based around weyoun's seeing himself as a diplomat, in that I'm a partial role stopper. Each night I target a player and stop any negative effects that would befall them. I'm told that doesn't include all NK, but that's really the only defining aspect given to the negative bit. The secondary bit is the part I leaked in that if I target Borg I gain a kill. This part makes no ******* sense to me as Borg weren't prominent in DS9 as characters and I have no recollection of weyoun even interacting with them at all. But it is what it is.
Night 1 I targeted silver. Tom's claim that he targeted silver and his ability failed (1216) is where I really started to take notice of what Tom was about since it seemed he was trying to do bad things to an otherwise town seeming silver.
Night 2 I targeted Kosa and gained a kill.
Night 3 I decided to try to kill Tom. This replaced my regular ability use since I used it at night instead of day. I was simply told the ability failed. Some other ***** also happened, but that's not my claim to make but I will be validating a claim further down the list.
So two things from here, Chandra still needs targets and uses. Tom seems willing to lynch based on flavor alone since he skipped over that bit. Flavor cases are horrible cases though. Also I believe Zings is next up, but given his status as "could disappear for an unknown amount of time at a moments notice fighting fires and *****" are we opposed to simply putting him down as claim at next available juncture and proceeding around him if it seems like he might be currently deployed? Another long sit around might just kill me.
He already claimed - he's Lauren the GE human and he said he "doesn't really" have any abilities besides his post restriction. Don't know if the imprecise wording he used there is worth pursuing, but I'd rather just go on instead of waiting.
Not really is hardly a no. Especially for a man who is usually predicated on absolute truth. That's a "there's more but I don't feel like disclosing it right now" answer. So when he comes back I'd still like him to expressly state he has just a posting restriction and nothing else to claim or finish up claiming. I don't expect it to be much more if there's anything, but yeah.
dont worry halftime, i already wanted to lynch cfc.
but yeah. we have no ferengi scum flips, and hes a ferengi killer. setup wise seems pretty likely to be NOT TOWN.
but i can go now.
i am Taran'atar, town intelligence operative
from some novel.
plus ability finds a player's name
N1 - silvercrys - ability was countered
N2 - shockwave - patrick
N3 - wheat - keiko obrien
minus ability is a track
ultimate is a census with some fancy flavor stuff.
more details on that tomorrow.
If by a killer you mean makes them vanilla non ferengi (essentially) then yes Tom, yes chandy is. I get the argument against chandy outside of the claim. I just don't see anything in that claim that screams has to be scum.
-2 ability that gives my target the ability to go past the first thing that would prevent there ability.
IE if I target Tom, and Tom targets Cynth and there was a bus driver on cynth then Cynth would still be targeted.
This does go through heals, and through blocks too.
The only thing that I know that prevents this ability is if someone is untargetable to begin with (Think shroud for magic).
-2 ability that gives my target the ability to go past the first thing that would prevent there ability.
IE if I target Tom, and Tom targets Cynth and there was a bus driver on cynth then Cynth would still be targeted.
This does go through heals, and through blocks too.
The only thing that I know that prevents this ability is if someone is untargetable to begin with (Think shroud for magic).
-2 ability that gives my target the ability to go past the first thing that would prevent there ability.
IE if I target Tom, and Tom targets Cynth and there was a bus driver on cynth then Cynth would still be targeted.
This does go through heals, and through blocks too.
The only thing that I know that prevents this ability is if someone is untargetable to begin with (Think shroud for magic).
If by a killer you mean makes them vanilla non ferengi (essentially) then yes Tom, yes chandy is. I get the argument against chandy outside of the claim. I just don't see anything in that claim that screams has to be scum.
so were just waiting on KoD to claim at all, WG/KJ to claim anything other than masons if they have it, cyth to mime his role, and zinger/kosa/silver to finish up partial claims.
then we lynch CFC
am i missing anything/one?
KoD claimed he had a some 1-shots (so, Jack of All Trades) and he's used them all now, if I remember right. I think he had three and he used two on N1 to name cop + role block TappingStones and he used his last one on N2 but I don't remember what it was.
I think that's everything? There's an awful lot of name cops floating around, though. Tom, KoD, and Brinatoo all had/have one. Hrm.
We could use a flavor claim, too, but that's what I thought also. If you could put your mechanical claim all in one post with your flavor claim, that'd be cool, so we don't have to go digging back in the thread.
I don't see a reason to flavor claim, unless someone wanted to confirm the information.
As for all the abilities and targets,
1 shot role block used N1 on TS.
1 shot name cop used N1 on TS.
1 shot protection/reduce two latnium from the target (if target would die from this, they don't and instead lose all latnium abilities and traits related to being a Ferengi). Used N2 on Mind.
it would be pretty hilarious if all the ferengi were sort of anti ferengi and all of them were town. but like cyth pointed out, fable knew about latinum...
if theres no ferengi on the scum team, thats a pretty juicy bit of inside info...
@KoD
i would like the flavor.
for reasons.
mine talks about my race being designed as soldiers. only i have a genetic anomaly that makes me immune to the effects of the drug that enslaves my people.
according to wikipedia, halftime is the race that designed my species and keeps them addicted to ketracel.
ill try not to hold it against him.
@cyth, you say that like chandy is the last ferengi standing...but more to the point we don't know that a ferengi is guaranteed scum. Take MR for example, he claimed a latinum based ability but flipped bajoran. Scum could just as easily have a non ferengi with a latinum based ability. Trying to flavor game in this situation is just no good. Better suited making behavioral arguments.
@cyth, you say that like chandy is the last ferengi standing...but more to the point we don't know that a ferengi is guaranteed scum. Take MR for example, he claimed a latinum based ability but flipped bajoran. Scum could just as easily have a non ferengi with a latinum based ability. Trying to flavor game in this situation is just no good. Better suited making behavioral arguments.
* Cythare throws a black ball at Half_Time. She then takes a bowl of soup and puts a black ball in it.
She points at Fable, then stands on her back legs and puffs out her chest, holding her head high and meowing as though trying to speak. She looks over at Mindreaver, then puts her paw to her own head, and shakes her head. *
@cyth, are you saying that you have specific knowledge that there is a ferengi scum? If not than what you're asserting is a matter of opinion and should be taken as such.
so were just waiting on KoD to claim at all, WG/KJ to claim anything other than masons if they have it, cyth to mime his role, and zinger/kosa/silver to finish up partial claims.
then we lynch CFC
am i missing anything/one?
@cyth, are you saying that you have specific knowledge that there is a ferengi scum? If not than what you're asserting is a matter of opinion and should be taken as such.
* Cythare rolls a black ball at Half_Time, then rolls her eyes at him. *
* Cythare runs out of the room, then comes back with an old flintlock pistol. She sets it on the table, then runs and grabs a small metal rod and lines it up with the trigger. After some wrestling about with her paws, she maneuvers the pistol such that the barrel is in her mouth and the rod sits on the trigger. She pushes down on the rod and a loud bang rings in the air as Cythare is jettisoned across the room and into the far wall. She stands up, shakes, and spits out the bullet. *
half, we were already probably lynching CFC today before the claim. if you would like to argue that his claim makes him town, go ahead.
Do you have anything more to your claims of me being scum other than that Dota's isn't acting the way your expected him to act that no one else can see? The way you have arrived at a lot of your decisions don't feel like they're a town mindset. It seems like you are trying to just cause as much confusion into the thinking process as possible.
I have more to post, but I lost the post I was making and I'm too tired to make a new one. I will retype it tomorrow.
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And pretty much everything else.
A familiar lens filter appears as Q departs, and an equally and unfortunately familiar nonlinear being in the form of an Orion steps onto the station.
"All right, everyone," she says. "Looks like you mortals are having your fun again, but be careful, because if I hear y'all have to ask for more prods, I'm gonna prod them, and you might not like my methods~"
With a cackle, the Prophet mercifully leaves without saying anything further.
Well. Sort of. Like. One of the kills is every third night and the other isn't. If I claim costs they'll know how much latinum I have now and how long it will be before I can kill a Ferengi, for example.
@big poppa Tom (I don't call you that enough), I think where we are passing each other by is that you think I'm trying to read chandy in this situation when I'm really reading other people. I'll be interested where you go with your argument now that silver has actually claimed to be a ferengi killer though. By your own argument you should be favoring silver as ferengi scum now, no?
As for KoD, he's refusing because you haven't provided him with reason/adequate motivation. Without doing so he's going to refuse just to spite you. This is similar to my refusal to wheat earlier while in the same post offering KoD further information. How you go about things affects the results you get. If you want from KoD try giving those reasons why you want from him. If you aren't willing to give, then don't expect to get in return.
I think where were actually missing each other is that flavor will never take over behavior, even if that's what I'm currently talking about.
Silver being a ferengi killer is heavily tempered by my townread of him. Thus the new theory about some kind of ferengi subgame
And KoD's refusal to claim means far more to me than any flavor possibly could.
FWIW, I think CFC is slightly more likely to be town than before, because the shape of his OMGUS towards me is not constructive towards a mafia wincon.
There are no worlds where I get lynched before him, and I'll only be clearer if he flips scum.
This would be a stronger town tell from a more experienced player, but it exists nonetheless.
But he is still very definitely outside my town block, and I feel the best lynch for today
And I like the nickname.
Back to *****posting for the remainder of the phase.
I think where were actually missing each other is that flavor will never take over behavior, even if that's what I'm currently talking about.
Silver being a ferengi killer is heavily tempered by my townread of him. Thus the new theory about some kind of ferengi subgame
And KoD's refusal to claim means far more to me than any flavor possibly could.
FWIW, I think CFC is slightly more likely to be town than before, because the shape of his OMGUS towards me is not constructive towards a mafia wincon.
There are no worlds where I get lynched before him, and I'll only be clearer if he flips scum.
This would be a stronger town tell from a more experienced player, but it exists nonetheless.
But he is still very definitely outside my town block, and I feel the best lynch for today
And I like the nickname.
Back to *****posting for the remainder of the phase.
This wasn't a *****post?
I'm convinced that Silver is some sort of neutral. It might win with the town it might not, but hunting down mafia probably works for the role.
I know of no subgame. My initial impression was that silver(Or someone like silver) was trying to kill/steal latinum. This was further enforced when day one the moderators told of latinum being found and it being put into safe keeping. The fact that I can't remember(I'll check later) of this being said makes me believe that latinum being stolen for a threshold victory of someone. Now typically these roles would just go away after fulfilling their wincon so to me they are a what ever role. I am nervous though that they might kill everyone when hitting that threshold or do something very negative to the town.
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I just can't shake the feeling I'm missing something. My gut says Chandra and Zinger are town.
Can we do prods/deadlines etc again
This is getting silly.
Claim. We're waiting on you.
Vote count in addition to prods, etc. please.
Vote Chandra
+1 latinum: I can take a latinum from a player I target.
0: latinum: All latinum based abilities are nullified by the player I target for that night.
-4 latinum: Target player loses all latinum abilities for the game. Also they lose all their latinum but cannot die from having zero latinum.
I love latinum.
And pretty much everything else.
Now waiting on halftimes claim and then the rest of us should go fairly quickly
Night 1 I targeted silver. Tom's claim that he targeted silver and his ability failed (1216) is where I really started to take notice of what Tom was about since it seemed he was trying to do bad things to an otherwise town seeming silver.
Night 2 I targeted Kosa and gained a kill.
Night 3 I decided to try to kill Tom. This replaced my regular ability use since I used it at night instead of day. I was simply told the ability failed. Some other ***** also happened, but that's not my claim to make but I will be validating a claim further down the list.
So two things from here, Chandra still needs targets and uses. Tom seems willing to lynch based on flavor alone since he skipped over that bit. Flavor cases are horrible cases though. Also I believe Zings is next up, but given his status as "could disappear for an unknown amount of time at a moments notice fighting fires and *****" are we opposed to simply putting him down as claim at next available juncture and proceeding around him if it seems like he might be currently deployed? Another long sit around might just kill me.
but yeah. we have no ferengi scum flips, and hes a ferengi killer. setup wise seems pretty likely to be NOT TOWN.
but i can go now.
i am Taran'atar, town intelligence operative
from some novel.
plus ability finds a player's name
N1 - silvercrys - ability was countered
N2 - shockwave - patrick
N3 - wheat - keiko obrien
minus ability is a track
ultimate is a census with some fancy flavor stuff.
more details on that tomorrow.
I have two abilities.
0 ability that gives me one latinum.
-2 ability that gives my target the ability to go past the first thing that would prevent there ability.
IE if I target Tom, and Tom targets Cynth and there was a bus driver on cynth then Cynth would still be targeted.
This does go through heals, and through blocks too.
The only thing that I know that prevents this ability is if someone is untargetable to begin with (Think shroud for magic).
I believe my vote was still on you Half.
+1: Do Nothing
No joke is coded as a 0.
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then we lynch CFC
am i missing anything/one?
I think that's everything? There's an awful lot of name cops floating around, though. Tom, KoD, and Brinatoo all had/have one. Hrm.
As for all the abilities and targets,
1 shot role block used N1 on TS.
1 shot name cop used N1 on TS.
1 shot protection/reduce two latnium from the target (if target would die from this, they don't and instead lose all latnium abilities and traits related to being a Ferengi). Used N2 on Mind.
if theres no ferengi on the scum team, thats a pretty juicy bit of inside info...
@KoD
i would like the flavor.
for reasons.
mine talks about my race being designed as soldiers. only i have a genetic anomaly that makes me immune to the effects of the drug that enslaves my people.
according to wikipedia, halftime is the race that designed my species and keeps them addicted to ketracel.
ill try not to hold it against him.
I'm Dr. Riley Frazier. I'm the mason-maker.
I targeted Cyt N1 because I had hopes I could help her bypass her posting restriction, but Annorax has clearly outsmarted me.
I won't claim my N2 and N3 targets until the massclaim is over.
I won't be giving you my flavor. For reasons. I'm sure you'll understand.
give it up.
She points at Fable, then stands on her back legs and puffs out her chest, holding her head high and meowing as though trying to speak. She looks over at Mindreaver, then puts her paw to her own head, and shakes her head. *
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but youre just shouting to shout at this point.
and shouldnt you be yelling at KoD for refusing?
we're just masons
we did try to make a baby night one
but rax cockblocked us.
that's what i meant about the cockblock
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Do you have anything more to your claims of me being scum other than that Dota's isn't acting the way your expected him to act that no one else can see? The way you have arrived at a lot of your decisions don't feel like they're a town mindset. It seems like you are trying to just cause as much confusion into the thinking process as possible.
I have more to post, but I lost the post I was making and I'm too tired to make a new one. I will retype it tomorrow.
And pretty much everything else.
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"All right, everyone," she says. "Looks like you mortals are having your fun again, but be careful, because if I hear y'all have to ask for more prods, I'm gonna prod them, and you might not like my methods~"
With a cackle, the Prophet mercifully leaves without saying anything further.
My flavor is that I'm a famous assassin that eliminates competition for my wealthy clients.
(+) Roleblock player
(-) Kill non-ferengi player
(-) Kill any player
Actions
N1: Roleblocked Rhand/CitricBase.
N2: Roleblocked DoTArchon/Chandra's Fiery Cat.
N3: Killed CitricBase.
(I claimed my starting Latinum, 2, on D2. I can add my costs, but the scum team will know what I'm capable of if I do.)
The ferengi are playing a subgame they either don't know about or aren't telling us about.
I am unsure what this would mean for each of their alignments.
Or if we should even care.
As for KoD, he's refusing because you haven't provided him with reason/adequate motivation. Without doing so he's going to refuse just to spite you. This is similar to my refusal to wheat earlier while in the same post offering KoD further information. How you go about things affects the results you get. If you want from KoD try giving those reasons why you want from him. If you aren't willing to give, then don't expect to get in return.
Who is left to claim?
Silver being a ferengi killer is heavily tempered by my townread of him. Thus the new theory about some kind of ferengi subgame
And KoD's refusal to claim means far more to me than any flavor possibly could.
FWIW, I think CFC is slightly more likely to be town than before, because the shape of his OMGUS towards me is not constructive towards a mafia wincon.
There are no worlds where I get lynched before him, and I'll only be clearer if he flips scum.
This would be a stronger town tell from a more experienced player, but it exists nonetheless.
But he is still very definitely outside my town block, and I feel the best lynch for today
And I like the nickname.
Back to *****posting for the remainder of the phase.
This wasn't a *****post?
I'm convinced that Silver is some sort of neutral. It might win with the town it might not, but hunting down mafia probably works for the role.
I know of no subgame. My initial impression was that silver(Or someone like silver) was trying to kill/steal latinum. This was further enforced when day one the moderators told of latinum being found and it being put into safe keeping. The fact that I can't remember(I'll check later) of this being said makes me believe that latinum being stolen for a threshold victory of someone. Now typically these roles would just go away after fulfilling their wincon so to me they are a what ever role. I am nervous though that they might kill everyone when hitting that threshold or do something very negative to the town.