Just because disagree with people doesn't mean I don't consider what they say. Anyway, no one was telling you to "state" my alignment. As you noted in your post, you didn't "help" with progressing the game via giving guidelines to figure out my alignment based on my style that you seem to think you're familiar with. That was the issue people took with you when you posted, and it was stated obviously. I've already given you scum points, and Half_Time's pointing out of you calming down after taking heat is yet again something I will award scum points for since it is uncharacteristic.
@Necar:
I assume you missed my post where I mentioned how I don't know most of you and thusly I am ignoring playstyle stuff I am unfamiliar with, yes? Simply put, I don't care what you've done in your past games. I'm judging you on this game alone like I am doing with practically everyone else (those from NGA are an exception since I have played with them).
@Stones:
Fable doesn't have a good grasp of how I play as either alignment to be able to differentiate them. His first game with me found him as teammates with him. He's also lying to you about how I operate since I do give reasons for the people I'm going after. Whether or not you agree with the reasons is another matter. You're better off taking Half_Time's impressions of me since he's played with me far longer has seen me play as scum on several occasions.
As for myself, I try to play the same way as both scum and town. If there are differences, you'd probably have to play with me an extended amount to be qualified to talk about my style.
You mentioned not getting why I said it was a good idea. Perhaps you should reread the quoted exchange. I asked you several questions, one of which was, "Is that a bad thing?" You responded by saying you agree it is a bad idea and that you brought it up with Crystal (still not sure who you're talking about here). In my response to this, I commented on not knowing what this Crystal thing was about, then I went on to say you think it's a bad idea (I assume you answered my question about it being a bad thing concerning me being straight forward) which prompted me to disagree with you and say it is a good idea.
That's where your confusion is. My stance on the no lynching hasn't changed, and since you're agreeing with me on that, then we can be friends. Also also, I promise to be more helpful than a lurking/inactive player.
Concerning Half_Time: Completely null. I'm unable to read him atm since he's not fighting anyone.
@KingOfDominaria:
Crystal is me. I believe TS was referring to No Lynching, not to you being straight forward.
Did you think Sir Chris had Shockwave's alignment confirmed by mechanics/moderator/role? (I'll also be dropping this line after this, we're sort of gunking up the thread now.)
@TappingStones:
I'd have to go back over them a little more closely to be sure I'm not misremembering, but... They're sort of talking about each other to other people without talking to each other. I don't think it's worth lynching them right now - they're at least kind of familiar to each other and trying to figure everyone else out - but under normal circumstances I wouldn't be shocked if they both flipped scum. Just something to take note of for later.
@Fable:
I don't think it's an aggressive fakeclaim, because it's a role that has been present in most (if not all) of the other Trek games so it would be really dangerous. Unless Cythare helped with set up, but that'd be, like, on a level beyond even a bastard specialty game. So, I'm inclined to believe 1) Cythare is Spot the Cat and 2)This doesn't indicate her alignment whatsoever.
Oh no you're giving me scum points?! What ever will I do? Also you know full well I'm all over the place emotionally so you giving me "scum points" for that is disingenuous.
Also vote:cythare if for no other reason than I wanna see a cat try and construct a counter argument.
Just because disagree with people doesn't mean I don't consider what they say. Anyway, no one was telling you to "state" my alignment. As you noted in your post, you didn't "help" with progressing the game via giving guidelines to figure out my alignment based on my style that you seem to think you're familiar with. That was the issue people took with you when you posted, and it was stated obviously. I've already given you scum points, and Half_Time's pointing out of you calming down after taking heat is yet again something I will award scum points for since it is uncharacteristic.
@Necar:
I assume you missed my post where I mentioned how I don't know most of you and thusly I am ignoring playstyle stuff I am unfamiliar with, yes? Simply put, I don't care what you've done in your past games. I'm judging you on this game alone like I am doing with practically everyone else (those from NGA are an exception since I have played with them).
@Stones:
Fable doesn't have a good grasp of how I play as either alignment to be able to differentiate them. His first game with me found him as teammates with him. He's also lying to you about how I operate since I do give reasons for the people I'm going after. Whether or not you agree with the reasons is another matter. You're better off taking Half_Time's impressions of me since he's played with me far longer has seen me play as scum on several occasions.
As for myself, I try to play the same way as both scum and town. If there are differences, you'd probably have to play with me an extended amount to be qualified to talk about my style.
You mentioned not getting why I said it was a good idea. Perhaps you should reread the quoted exchange. I asked you several questions, one of which was, "Is that a bad thing?" You responded by saying you agree it is a bad idea and that you brought it up with Crystal (still not sure who you're talking about here). In my response to this, I commented on not knowing what this Crystal thing was about, then I went on to say you think it's a bad idea (I assume you answered my question about it being a bad thing concerning me being straight forward) which prompted me to disagree with you and say it is a good idea.
That's where your confusion is. My stance on the no lynching hasn't changed, and since you're agreeing with me on that, then we can be friends. Also also, I promise to be more helpful than a lurking/inactive player.
Concerning Half_Time: Completely null. I'm unable to read him atm since he's not fighting anyone.
Ah, that must be the confusion. I said that I agreed on the course of no lynching as being a bad idea. And then you responded saying it was a good idea. we were clearly thinking about two different things there. And yes, posting is better than lurking. We agree on that point as well.
Now that you've had some time to reflect; what does your evaluation of SC look like? Is he playing in a "random" way in your opinion? He pushed back a bit with an appeal to authority (noting his awards on this forum) what do you think his motivation for doing that was? If you had to send three players to the gas chamber right now who would they be?
What makes you think I'm attributing his overall playing (the way he is playing) as "random"? I only brought up random wrt to his clearing of Shock. I've already addressed his "appeal to authority" I'm pretty sure. As for his motivation, maybe he did it to throw his weight around. Your guess is as good as mine. More so since all of you seem to be doing the throwing your weight around thing so it hardly registers to me. I chalk it up to you guys blowing hot air. My evaluation of Chris is still the same. I think he's scummy for how he chose to approach me, but when compared to Necar's bandwagon vote on Fable, he (Chris) could certainly do a lot worse.
Based on how I've handed out scum points, my three choices are Chris, Fable, and Necar (Necar for sure since I'm voting him).
I only brought up random wrt to his clearing of Shock. I've already addressed his "appeal to authority" I'm pretty sure. As for his motivation, maybe he did it to throw his weight around. Your guess is as good as mine. More so since all of you seem to be doing the throwing your weight around thing so it hardly registers to me. I chalk it up to you guys blowing hot air. My evaluation of Chris is still the same. I think he's scummy for how he chose to approach me, but when compared to Necar's bandwagon vote on Fable, he (Chris) could certainly do a lot worse.
Based on how I've handed out scum points, my three choices are Chris, Fable, and Necar (Necar for sure since I'm voting him).
@Spot the cat- *Sprinkles fresh catnip around the playful feline. Unravels the ball of yarn a bit and slides the yarn across the smooth wooden floor.
Can you give me some reads please? I'll trade you 3 cat points.
I only brought up random wrt to his clearing of Shock. I've already addressed his "appeal to authority" I'm pretty sure. As for his motivation, maybe he did it to throw his weight around. Your guess is as good as mine. More so since all of you seem to be doing the throwing your weight around thing so it hardly registers to me. I chalk it up to you guys blowing hot air. My evaluation of Chris is still the same. I think he's scummy for how he chose to approach me, but when compared to Necar's bandwagon vote on Fable, he (Chris) could certainly do a lot worse.
Based on how I've handed out scum points, my three choices are Chris, Fable, and Necar (Necar for sure since I'm voting him).
@Spot the cat- *Sprinkles fresh catnip around the playful feline. Unravels the ball of yarn a bit and slides the yarn across the smooth wooden floor.
Can you give me some reads please? I'll trade you 3 cat points.
* Cythare excitedly rolls around in the catnip for a few seconds, then runs off drunkenly. She comes back tugging a relatively large basket full of balls of yarn. After jumping into the basket, she peeks her head out and tosses three blue balls, a red ball, and an orange ball out of it.
She drops one blue ball in front of Sir Chris, then retrieves a second blue ball and places it at KingofDominaria's feet. She grabs the third blue ball and rolls it towards D_V. Taking the red ball, she places it near Fable07, and then takes the orange ball and puts it in front of Necarg. Pausing for a second, she jumps back into the basket and emerges with a light blue ball and drops it at Silvercrys's feet, then walks back to the catnip-laden area and begins to roll around frantically. *
I don't "think" this. I asked you if that is what you think he's doing.
That's a stupid question.
Claiming his town clear as "random" has already been panned by a host of players as "playing dumb", "not using logic", "misunderstanding the word random" just to name a few. It's not dumb for me to ask if you are continuing to do something that you have already done.
I think it's a fair question, though based on that response I assume you won't be calling people's actions random anytime soon.
It is dumb to ask. If you were more interested in what other players thought about what I said, then why bother asking me about what I said in the first place?
Not only that, but did you see me claiming anything else to be random? No.
So yes, it is dumb to ask that question. Why do you think I asked you why you "think" that? Rather than ask, "Do you still think he cleared Shock randomly," you ask me if I thought Chris was playing randomly. There's a drastic difference between describing one thing a player does and describing everything that player has done.
Your assumption will only hold for as long as it takes for someone to do something that I perceive as random.
@Silver: Idk why I thought you asked about MR/Fable, not TS/Fable. Leaning town on both, yeah. I don't agree with TS's vote but I can understand why one would do it.
@Mindreaver: I was obviously posting in a stream-of-consciouness way, reading post by post and updating notes on the fly.
Your #51 is terrible because of a reason you yourself define in it:
Well, it's an interesting mindset. It's being "helpful" but not with anything that will actually help us solve the game.
First, Fable's post you reference is actually helpful. The way I saw it, he's warning us to not run in circles over a player's stubborness he's used to and we aren't. He's not trying to look like anything, he's just like, "*sigh*".
Then, you proceed in a long post that appears to be helpful but doesn't actually help us, from a town!you PoV, to solve the game. It's full of fluff that makes you appear to be useful without actually being so. BusyStuff.
And then there's that last sentence. It doesn't make sense if you're actually wanting to pressure someone for reads.
So, why did you feel the need to write up something like that post? Why not instead tell me what you think about his behavior to date? Do you think he's more likely to be town or scum based on his interactions thus far? I'm leaning town.
You just laid out three questions for Fable regarding KoD, because you're supposedly interested in what his opinion on KoD is since that would help you form your own opinion on both (but mostly Fable). Then you end that with "I'm leaning town". All the pressure you're supposedly interested in applying is useless because you're basically giving an out for Fable to just /barn you and move on. It's fake pressure, and it doesn't come from someone who's attemping to solve the game. That is not a town mindset.
The only thing giving me pause is your now-known inexperience. I can see why you would, as town, post some of what I read as scumtells, but that #51 is so much more scummy than all the rest I've seen in this game so far that I still want you to DIAF for now.
Why is JD scum?
@Necarg: meta analysis is useless without both sides of the meta.
@Mindreaver: I was obviously posting in a stream-of-consciouness way, reading post by post and updating notes on the fly.
Then put more effort in. You don't just get a pass for being sloppy. In fact, I read it more along the lines that you aren't putting effort into connecting your observations. You're just having them. I don't see a town mindset there, I see scum acting town.
Well, it's an interesting mindset. It's being "helpful" but not with anything that will actually help us solve the game.
First, Fable's post you reference is actually helpful. The way I saw it, he's warning us to not run in circles over a player's stubborness he's used to and we aren't. He's not trying to look like anything, he's just like, "*sigh*".
Then, you proceed in a long post that appears to be helpful but doesn't actually help us, from a town!you PoV, to solve the game. It's full of fluff that makes you appear to be useful without actually being so. BusyStuff.
I'll have to go reread that, but maybe you're right.
So, why did you feel the need to write up something like that post? Why not instead tell me what you think about his behavior to date? Do you think he's more likely to be town or scum based on his interactions thus far? I'm leaning town.
You just laid out three questions for Fable regarding KoD, because you're supposedly interested in what his opinion on KoD is since that would help you form your own opinion on both (but mostly Fable). Then you end that with "I'm leaning town". All the pressure you're supposedly interested in applying is useless because you're basically giving an out for Fable to just /barn you and move on. It's fake pressure, and it doesn't come from someone who's attemping to solve the game. That is not a town mindset.
Yeah, we just differ here. I wasn't going for pressure. His opinion in the matter wasn't really the point, because I had already mentioned in all the "busystuff" that I'm not going to base my read on KoD on Fable's read of KoD. I really just wanted him to agree or disagree and see what I could learn from that. Instead he declined to engage, which was disappointing.
The only thing giving me pause is your now-known inexperience. I can see why you would, as town, post some of what I read as scumtells, but that #51 is so much more scummy than all the rest I've seen in this game so far that I still want you to DIAF for now.
Sure dude, we all need scumreads. Go nuts. I don't really want you alive either.
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
If it makes you feel better, if he'd prove his town-ness with posting frequency and accurate reads, I'd be open to re-evaluating my completely biased read of him.
@Half-Life - I made no impression? You referenced Kos's "BusyStuff" garbage, but not the person he was writing about? Come on bro, I'm the scummiest ever.
though based on that response I assume you won't be calling people's actions random anytime soon.
KoD
Your assumption will only hold for as long as it takes for someone to do something that I perceive as random.
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Kosa
First, Fable's post you reference is actually helpful. The way I saw it, he's warning us to not run in circles over a player's stubborness he's used to and we aren't. He's not trying to look like anything, he's just like, "*sigh*".
It wasn't helpful in any sense that matters in the game. Fable didn't provide any constructive guidelines to give you an idea of how I play as town or scum. Despite his post, you'll have to engage me if you want to get anywhere with me. His post only helps if you want to avoid engaging me, and that won't help progress views by avoiding talking to me. Yes, avoiding since I don't see how else you would take a "warning" from Fable about me and not run in circles over my stubbornness. Until you actually talk to me, you can't know how I will react to you or what you're talking about.
The only thing giving me pause is your now-known inexperience.
(in reference to Mind)
Are you giving Mind an out by saying this? Because that's what it looks like coming from you Mr. Pot. Scum points awarded.
* Cythare brings two red balls of yarn over to KingofDominaria. She rolls one at Kosakosa, starts to roll a second one towards Mindreaver, but swats it out of the way, then turns to KingofDominaria and meows quizzically. *
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Don't look at me. I don't tend to strays. Especially if they are trying to pocket me.
Or was that a question?
Because if you're questioning how you're reading Mind due to my own read of Mind (given because I feel he is giving genuine feedback on many posts, and I don't feel he has an agenda behind his posts as of yet), then I'm wary of you trying to pocket me. Unless you were just questioning my read which is why I gave the explanation above.
Yeah, we just differ here. I wasn't going for pressure. His opinion in the matter wasn't really the point, because I had already mentioned in all the "busystuff" that I'm not going to base my read on KoD on Fable's read of KoD. I really just wanted him to agree or disagree and see what I could learn from that. Instead he declined to engage, which was disappointing.
He declined to engage and you just accepted it and gave up? Why no follow up?
Secondly, I'm not meta-clearing anyone. I'm definitely not meta-clearing somebody on the say-so of somebody else. I don't care if Sir Chis thinks D_V is the swellest guy in the whole wide world, or if JD decides to call everyone in the thread a moron. Show me behavior.
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
It wasn't helpful in any sense that matters in the game. Fable didn't provide any constructive guidelines to give you an idea of how I play as town or scum. Despite his post, you'll have to engage me if you want to get anywhere with me. His post only helps if you want to avoid engaging me, and that won't help progress views by avoiding talking to me. Yes, avoiding since I don't see how else you would take a "warning" from Fable about me and not run in circles over my stubbornness. Until you actually talk to me, you can't know how I will react to you or what you're talking about.
You're missing the point. Compare Fable's post to Mindreaver's: Fable's is completely genuine. He's not attempting to appear useful. His post is not diversion or anything. It's a front-of-mind point about you. Alone, it doesn't make him town nor scum per se.
Mindreaver's, on the other hand, is criticizing him for attempting to appear useful while doing nothing despite doing exactly that.
Don't look at me. I don't tend to strays. Especially if they are trying to pocket me.
Or was that a question?
Because if you're questioning how you're reading Mind due to my own read of Mind (given because I feel he is giving genuine feedback on many posts, and I don't feel he has an agenda behind his posts as of yet), then I'm wary of you trying to pocket me. Unless you were just questioning my read which is why I gave the explanation above.
* Cythare begins to to pure and rubs her cheek against KingofDominaria's leg, then retrieves a gray ball of yarn and rolls it towards Mindreaver.
We're going to end up disagreeing, but as far as I am concerned Fable was trying to be "useful" with that post in a way that poked fun at me while conveying how he feels about me.
Mind's response to that post of Fable's is spot on since the post doesn't clue you into on any tells relevant to Fable's knowledge of me. Mind did good to follow up asking for examples. As far as I am concerned, the criticism is well placed.
Note, too, that Fable got a lot of flak over that post which led to 4 votes being placed on him. Off the top of my head I forget if Mind was one of those, but I do recall that those others that voted for Fable did so with reasons akin to thinking Fable was full of salt concerning me. Certainly Mind's criticism is better than, say, Necar's of Fable (as an example off the top of my head since his reaction to Fable is what earned him my vote).
Yeah, we just differ here. I wasn't going for pressure. His opinion in the matter wasn't really the point, because I had already mentioned in all the "busystuff" that I'm not going to base my read on KoD on Fable's read of KoD. I really just wanted him to agree or disagree and see what I could learn from that. Instead he declined to engage, which was disappointing.
He declined to engage and you just accepted it and gave up? Why no follow up?
Secondly, I'm not meta-clearing anyone. I'm definitely not meta-clearing somebody on the say-so of somebody else. I don't care if Sir Chis thinks D_V is the swellest guy in the whole wide world, or if JD decides to call everyone in the thread a moron. Show me behavior.
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
It wasn't helpful in any sense that matters in the game. Fable didn't provide any constructive guidelines to give you an idea of how I play as town or scum. Despite his post, you'll have to engage me if you want to get anywhere with me. His post only helps if you want to avoid engaging me, and that won't help progress views by avoiding talking to me. Yes, avoiding since I don't see how else you would take a "warning" from Fable about me and not run in circles over my stubbornness. Until you actually talk to me, you can't know how I will react to you or what you're talking about.
You're missing the point. Compare Fable's post to Mindreaver's: Fable's is completely genuine. He's not attempting to appear useful. His post is not diversion or anything. It's a front-of-mind point about you. Alone, it doesn't make him town nor scum per se.
Mindreaver's, on the other hand, is criticizing him for attempting to appear useful while doing nothing despite doing exactly that.
So the conclusion is that you do what you're being called scum for here regardless of alignment.
Am I missing something?
Nope, you're not. I'm a terrible player as scum or town.
Also insert some joke about me wanting to engage in sexual intercourse with you.
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Secondly, I'm not meta-clearing anyone. I'm definitely not meta-clearing somebody on the say-so of somebody else. I don't care if Sir Chis thinks D_V is the swellest guy in the whole wide world, or if JD decides to call everyone in the thread a moron. Show me behavior.
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
Care to explain?
One is me being very serious, and the other is me being rather silly. I bet you can tell the difference if you put your mind to it.
@KoD: There's good reasoned flak, and there's opportunism.
@Necarg: So are you acknowledging your vote on Fable as being a terrible play?
What do you think of Mindreaver?
@Mindreaver: You explicitly said you aren't meta-clearing anyone, asking for behavior, and yet answered my question on your read on JD as "meta". Stop being dismissive.
@Necarg: So are you acknowledging your vote on Fable as being a terrible play?
Yes, I'm also acknowledging that I'm a terrible player, regardless of alignment.
KosaKosa, more like....
um....
****...
InterCoursaCoursa?
I'm sorry I'm really bad at this.
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What you consider opportunistic is vastly different from what I consider to be opportunistic. What Mind said about Fable isn't opportunistic. That's fact followed up by trying to get relevant content.
Now what Necar stated when voting for Fable is a definite example of being opportunistic.
Since you're talking about him, what is your read on Necar? I'd love to hear it.
@Mindreaver: You explicitly said you aren't meta-clearing anyone, asking for behavior, and yet answered my question on your read on JD as "meta". Stop being dismissive.
Look you're obviously going to beat this to death. JD has had three posts this entire game. The first two are directed at KoD, and the last one was an "Oh Hi Mindreaver, I'm still scumreading you" post. I clearly couldn't possibly deduce his alignment from that. Not from anything, meta or behavior. HOWEVER, we have a history, and I'm being playful with him.
In short, I'm having a good time. While playing a game. You should try it.
You on the other hand seem to think you've "caught me" here. Do you think you have? Ready to end the day? Over this?
Straight silliness on your part.
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I'm still here but I had a crazy day at work. I'm working on catching up now. I probably need to get my schedule from work then I will finish rereading.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Mindreaver: dude. You literally voted me over your read on JD. Seriously, wtf.
Well you could be forgiven for thinking so. But really, I didn't say that. I said you're both scum.
The point i was trying to make about your JD interactions is this. You decided I was scum (post 51, the one where I let the cat out of the bag, evidently). Great. You then glam onto JD with posts in the vein of: "Hey everyone, look at JD, HE gets it, love him". Now what kind of appeal is that? Is it "Look at this evidence I have" or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want". Which is a scummy way to push for a lynch. I'm not begging people to join me. They'll see what I see, or not. We've got lots of time.
Tick tock.
Tick tock.
I also already mentioned the "stream of consciousness" post. But I still say that was scum PoV if I ever saw one. Players are noticing things, jotting down alignments, recording votes, sorting and filtering all kinds of data. But the point of TOWN play is to sort the good from the bad. While doing that, we can't have thoughts that conflict, without thinking those through. "Fable = Town" two lines before "Mind was coaching Fable, therefore he's scum" would cause a town player to re-evaluate those reads. SCUM on the other hand, know the answers already, so they don't need to keep track of the big picture. Your post read to me exactly like somebody dumping thoughts, but without stopping to consider their consequences.
These are the 4 possible scenarios:
1) If Fable is town, how can I coach him as scum? What's my motivation for doing that? Helping him not get mislynched?
2) Or we're both scum together, that's another theory. But in that case, why not just join the 4 man Fable wagon, why start your own on the other guy?
3) Or we're both town together. In that case, you shouldn't be voting either of us.
4) I'm town and Fable is scum. I'm town, and was clearing coaching a scum player. A mistake? maybe. In any case a vote on me is wrong here too.
So 2,3,and 4 would have you not voting me, if you were even trying to solve the game.
Which leaves scenario 1, which seems unlikely to me. BUT, based on your stream of consciousness post, it's pretty much exactly what you think is happening since you're pursuing me with vigor, and have a stated townread of Fable.
Catching up. I've been semi-following this game but skimmed the big walls.
I remember not liking Necarg and JD from page 1.
Necarg because of the meta-clear of Chris. I can't believe anyone who has experience with Chris would clear him page 1 on meta.
And JD because of the jump on KoD with an accusation that doesn't mesh.
@KoD: I've already said I'd be voting Necarg Teach
Cool. Could you answer the question though? Saying you'll be voting him doesn't explain to me why you'll be voting him for what led you to think him worthy as such. If you've covered it before, then feel free to give me a short summary.
Mind
or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want"
*Points at the cat.* That's why I'm wary of her. Do you know how bad it would be for me to get pocketed by someone with a posting restriction?
That being said, I promise to go back through your posts cat so I can look at who you are looking. It'll be later though since I intend to go into the Nexus shortly.
Welcome to hell Rhand. Glad to have you aboard. When you read it, I'd like to hear your impression on Fable's "KoD list" post that generated some flak for him. Also the interactions to that post as well.
I don't like the idea that "good" players get more of a pass then everyone else and it feels like a cover for you taking the bait.
You didn't read what I wrote very closely. I said to "play them straight up". That means you don't throw extra shade at them just because they are good. Are you saying we should throw extra scum reads on good players? Because that makes no logical sense.
Fable should have unvoted here. The discussion that follows boggles me.
Oh no you're giving me scum points?! What ever will I do? Also you know full well I'm all over the place emotionally so you giving me "scum points" for that is disingenuous.
Also vote:cythare if for no other reason than I wanna see a cat try and construct a counter argument.
Very useless vote for this stage of the game. There's loads going on and you vote the cat?
What makes you think I'm attributing his overall playing (the way he is playing) as "random"? I only brought up random wrt to his clearing of Shock. I've already addressed his "appeal to authority" I'm pretty sure. As for his motivation, maybe he did it to throw his weight around. Your guess is as good as mine. More so since all of you seem to be doing the throwing your weight around thing so it hardly registers to me. I chalk it up to you guys blowing hot air. My evaluation of Chris is still the same. I think he's scummy for how he chose to approach me, but when compared to Necar's bandwagon vote on Fable, he (Chris) could certainly do a lot worse.
Based on how I've handed out scum points, my three choices are Chris, Fable, and Necar (Necar for sure since I'm voting him).
Do you think chris and fable can be scum together?
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@KoD: I think that post can come from either alignment. I don't know him well enough.
Best I can say at this point is anything is possible wrt to Chris and Fable possibly being scum together.
Although I'm glad you quoted that. I actually have a question for whoever wants to answer it: Is Gas Chamber another term you commonly use here to indicate, more or less, top scum picks?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Mindreaver: dude. You literally voted me over your read on JD. Seriously, wtf.
Well you could be forgiven for thinking so. But really, I didn't say that. I said you're both scum.
The point i was trying to make about your JD interactions is this. You decided I was scum (post 51, the one where I let the cat out of the bag, evidently). Great. You then glam onto JD with posts in the vein of: "Hey everyone, look at JD, HE gets it, love him". Now what kind of appeal is that? Is it "Look at this evidence I have" or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want". Which is a scummy way to push for a lynch. I'm not begging people to join me. They'll see what I see, or not. We've got lots of time.
Tick tock.
Tick tock.
I also already mentioned the "stream of consciousness" post. But I still say that was scum PoV if I ever saw one. Players are noticing things, jotting down alignments, recording votes, sorting and filtering all kinds of data. But the point of TOWN play is to sort the good from the bad. While doing that, we can't have thoughts that conflict, without thinking those through. "Fable = Town" two lines before "Mind was coaching Fable, therefore he's scum" would cause a town player to re-evaluate those reads. SCUM on the other hand, know the answers already, so they don't need to keep track of the big picture. Your post read to me exactly like somebody dumping thoughts, but without stopping to consider their consequences.
These are the 4 possible scenarios:
1) If Fable is town, how can I coach him as scum? What's my motivation for doing that? Helping him not get mislynched?
2) Or we're both scum together, that's another theory. But in that case, why not just join the 4 man Fable wagon, why start your own on the other guy?
3) Or we're both town together. In that case, you shouldn't be voting either of us.
4) I'm town and Fable is scum. I'm town, and was clearing coaching a scum player. A mistake? maybe. In any case a vote on me is wrong here too.
So 2,3,and 4 would have you not voting me, if you were even trying to solve the game.
Which leaves scenario 1, which seems unlikely to me. BUT, based on your stream of consciousness post, it's pretty much exactly what you think is happening since you're pursuing me with vigor, and have a stated townread of Fable.
Townpost and a bit of a slapdown on top of it. Mindreaver very methodically picks apart the weak reasoning being thrown at him. he's even demonstrating cognizance of town and scum motivations.
UNVOTE; VOTE:Kosakosa
I'll come back and give you the rest when I'm off work but the reread as some questionable posts from Kosa and he's shot to the top of the list.
Isn't FoS'ing without voting a major scumtell? If you aren't Guardman, that is.
Then again, I'm rusty as heck on this.
This is the type of tell I've been trying to look out for in the early game. Someone asks a question in an attempt to create suspicion?
It's essentially a tag question and could also be written as such. "Fos'ing without voting is a major scumtell, isn't it?" He's actually trying to convey his thought but the tag line "isn't" makes it look like a question. It can also be read as "Do you guys want to go after him?" If someone refutes him and says no, it isn't; he will look safe because he can say "it was just a question". The final sentence is a gross addition. Super aware of what he's doing he sort of slips here. "Then again, I'm rusty as heck at this." Can also be read as, I'm not invested in this if you aren't.
Liking Sir Chris so far, even though he sometimes set my Kosa Sense off a bit (for exemple on #12. Don't think it's anything tangible, just cinic gut feel).
Oh man if I am ever telling you I am being completely honest, you should lynch me you have surely caught a scum Chris lying through his teeth. Unless it is like, you know, later in the game or something where transparency needs to happen usually. But day 1 yeah I am a sneaky guy who tends to plot a lot of stuff against scum.
20 posts in and we're already up with meta self-consciousness? I missed this subforum so much
So here's another one that matches the mindset of his first post. Check this out. He says he likes SC but then in the next sentence says he's setting off a scum detector and then gives multiple references. Then as a final thought he AGAIN tries to distance himself from the shade he's cast "Don't think it's anything tangible, just c[l]inic gut feel" So read it over. I read through a couple times to see if I was jumping the gun. He says some nondescript positive comment about SC and then proceeds to say he might be doing some scummy things and then shows us evidence. Town doesn't usually say "I like this guy, but here's a scum case on him." Scum that doesn't want to get caught do that. He's tip-toeing around the cookie jar.
And how much do you know Sir Chris' town meta to reach that conclusion in a handful of posts?
In response to Necarg town-reading SC. Questions a meta-clearance. Which would be otherwise null but Necarg's comments bare resemblance to kosa's they both say they like his play as town.
Sir Chris' #70 has two minor language tells against him, which is odd since he's an enough experienced player to not incur on that. Food for thought, though.
Going after SC again. Building a case. Says there are two so-called "minor" tells against him. But still creates distance from this assertion. Saying it's "odd" not outright "scummy", and that it's "food for thought". Begging for a wagon! "Think about SC guys. I don't want to do the voting I'll just keep saying he's being odd and setting off my alarms."
That's where I'm at on Kosa currently. I think he's a fine lynch at this point.
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Just because disagree with people doesn't mean I don't consider what they say. Anyway, no one was telling you to "state" my alignment. As you noted in your post, you didn't "help" with progressing the game via giving guidelines to figure out my alignment based on my style that you seem to think you're familiar with. That was the issue people took with you when you posted, and it was stated obviously. I've already given you scum points, and Half_Time's pointing out of you calming down after taking heat is yet again something I will award scum points for since it is uncharacteristic.
@Necar:
I assume you missed my post where I mentioned how I don't know most of you and thusly I am ignoring playstyle stuff I am unfamiliar with, yes? Simply put, I don't care what you've done in your past games. I'm judging you on this game alone like I am doing with practically everyone else (those from NGA are an exception since I have played with them).
@Stones:
Fable doesn't have a good grasp of how I play as either alignment to be able to differentiate them. His first game with me found him as teammates with him. He's also lying to you about how I operate since I do give reasons for the people I'm going after. Whether or not you agree with the reasons is another matter. You're better off taking Half_Time's impressions of me since he's played with me far longer has seen me play as scum on several occasions.
As for myself, I try to play the same way as both scum and town. If there are differences, you'd probably have to play with me an extended amount to be qualified to talk about my style.
You mentioned not getting why I said it was a good idea. Perhaps you should reread the quoted exchange. I asked you several questions, one of which was, "Is that a bad thing?" You responded by saying you agree it is a bad idea and that you brought it up with Crystal (still not sure who you're talking about here). In my response to this, I commented on not knowing what this Crystal thing was about, then I went on to say you think it's a bad idea (I assume you answered my question about it being a bad thing concerning me being straight forward) which prompted me to disagree with you and say it is a good idea.
That's where your confusion is. My stance on the no lynching hasn't changed, and since you're agreeing with me on that, then we can be friends. Also also, I promise to be more helpful than a lurking/inactive player.
Concerning Half_Time: Completely null. I'm unable to read him atm since he's not fighting anyone.
Crystal is me. I believe TS was referring to No Lynching, not to you being straight forward.
Did you think Sir Chris had Shockwave's alignment confirmed by mechanics/moderator/role? (I'll also be dropping this line after this, we're sort of gunking up the thread now.)
@TappingStones:
I'd have to go back over them a little more closely to be sure I'm not misremembering, but... They're sort of talking about each other to other people without talking to each other. I don't think it's worth lynching them right now - they're at least kind of familiar to each other and trying to figure everyone else out - but under normal circumstances I wouldn't be shocked if they both flipped scum. Just something to take note of for later.
@Fable:
I don't think it's an aggressive fakeclaim, because it's a role that has been present in most (if not all) of the other Trek games so it would be really dangerous. Unless Cythare helped with set up, but that'd be, like, on a level beyond even a bastard specialty game. So, I'm inclined to believe 1) Cythare is Spot the Cat and 2)This doesn't indicate her alignment whatsoever.
Also vote:cythare if for no other reason than I wanna see a cat try and construct a counter argument.
I know he was referring to no lynch now given his latest post. That's why I responded and mentioned what I thought he was talking about.
I already told you what I thought of Chris clearing Shock. I thought he did it at random.
Ah, that must be the confusion. I said that I agreed on the course of no lynching as being a bad idea. And then you responded saying it was a good idea. we were clearly thinking about two different things there. And yes, posting is better than lurking. We agree on that point as well.
Now that you've had some time to reflect; what does your evaluation of SC look like? Is he playing in a "random" way in your opinion? He pushed back a bit with an appeal to authority (noting his awards on this forum) what do you think his motivation for doing that was? If you had to send three players to the gas chamber right now who would they be?
The scum points I award help me track pings in rereads (the red helps for quick reading and referencing). You being emotional is nothing new to me.
What makes you think I'm attributing his overall playing (the way he is playing) as "random"? I only brought up random wrt to his clearing of Shock. I've already addressed his "appeal to authority" I'm pretty sure. As for his motivation, maybe he did it to throw his weight around. Your guess is as good as mine. More so since all of you seem to be doing the throwing your weight around thing so it hardly registers to me. I chalk it up to you guys blowing hot air. My evaluation of Chris is still the same. I think he's scummy for how he chose to approach me, but when compared to Necar's bandwagon vote on Fable, he (Chris) could certainly do a lot worse.
Based on how I've handed out scum points, my three choices are Chris, Fable, and Necar (Necar for sure since I'm voting him).
I don't "think" this. I asked you if that is what you think he's doing.
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Can you give me some reads please? I'll trade you 3 cat points.
That's a stupid question.
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Claiming his town clear as "random" has already been panned by a host of players as "playing dumb", "not using logic", "misunderstanding the word random" just to name a few. It's not dumb for me to ask if you are continuing to do something that you have already done.
I think it's a fair question, though based on that response I assume you won't be calling people's actions random anytime soon.
Not only that, but did you see me claiming anything else to be random? No.
So yes, it is dumb to ask that question. Why do you think I asked you why you "think" that? Rather than ask, "Do you still think he cleared Shock randomly," you ask me if I thought Chris was playing randomly. There's a drastic difference between describing one thing a player does and describing everything that player has done.
Your assumption will only hold for as long as it takes for someone to do something that I perceive as random.
I didn't make an assumption. I asked a question.
@Mindreaver: I was obviously posting in a stream-of-consciouness way, reading post by post and updating notes on the fly.
Your #51 is terrible because of a reason you yourself define in it:
First, Fable's post you reference is actually helpful. The way I saw it, he's warning us to not run in circles over a player's stubborness he's used to and we aren't. He's not trying to look like anything, he's just like, "*sigh*".
Then, you proceed in a long post that appears to be helpful but doesn't actually help us, from a town!you PoV, to solve the game. It's full of fluff that makes you appear to be useful without actually being so. BusyStuff.
And then there's that last sentence. It doesn't make sense if you're actually wanting to pressure someone for reads.
You just laid out three questions for Fable regarding KoD, because you're supposedly interested in what his opinion on KoD is since that would help you form your own opinion on both (but mostly Fable). Then you end that with "I'm leaning town". All the pressure you're supposedly interested in applying is useless because you're basically giving an out for Fable to just /barn you and move on. It's fake pressure, and it doesn't come from someone who's attemping to solve the game. That is not a town mindset.
The only thing giving me pause is your now-known inexperience. I can see why you would, as town, post some of what I read as scumtells, but that #51 is so much more scummy than all the rest I've seen in this game so far that I still want you to DIAF for now.
Why is JD scum?
@Necarg: meta analysis is useless without both sides of the meta.
Then put more effort in. You don't just get a pass for being sloppy. In fact, I read it more along the lines that you aren't putting effort into connecting your observations. You're just having them. I don't see a town mindset there, I see scum acting town.
I'll have to go reread that, but maybe you're right.
Yeah, we just differ here. I wasn't going for pressure. His opinion in the matter wasn't really the point, because I had already mentioned in all the "busystuff" that I'm not going to base my read on KoD on Fable's read of KoD. I really just wanted him to agree or disagree and see what I could learn from that. Instead he declined to engage, which was disappointing.
Sure dude, we all need scumreads. Go nuts. I don't really want you alive either.
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
If it makes you feel better, if he'd prove his town-ness with posting frequency and accurate reads, I'd be open to re-evaluating my completely biased read of him.
@Half-Life - I made no impression? You referenced Kos's "BusyStuff" garbage, but not the person he was writing about? Come on bro, I'm the scummiest ever.
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It wasn't helpful in any sense that matters in the game. Fable didn't provide any constructive guidelines to give you an idea of how I play as town or scum. Despite his post, you'll have to engage me if you want to get anywhere with me. His post only helps if you want to avoid engaging me, and that won't help progress views by avoiding talking to me. Yes, avoiding since I don't see how else you would take a "warning" from Fable about me and not run in circles over my stubbornness. Until you actually talk to me, you can't know how I will react to you or what you're talking about.
(in reference to Mind)
Are you giving Mind an out by saying this? Because that's what it looks like coming from you Mr. Pot. Scum points awarded.
At this point, I'm getting a town read from Mind.
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Don't look at me. I don't tend to strays. Especially if they are trying to pocket me.
Or was that a question?
Because if you're questioning how you're reading Mind due to my own read of Mind (given because I feel he is giving genuine feedback on many posts, and I don't feel he has an agenda behind his posts as of yet), then I'm wary of you trying to pocket me. Unless you were just questioning my read which is why I gave the explanation above.
He declined to engage and you just accepted it and gave up? Why no follow up?
Care to explain?
@KoD:
You're missing the point. Compare Fable's post to Mindreaver's: Fable's is completely genuine. He's not attempting to appear useful. His post is not diversion or anything. It's a front-of-mind point about you. Alone, it doesn't make him town nor scum per se.
Mindreaver's, on the other hand, is criticizing him for attempting to appear useful while doing nothing despite doing exactly that.
No, I'm speaking my mind out.
@Necarg:
So the conclusion is that you do what you're being called scum for here regardless of alignment.
Am I missing something?
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We're going to end up disagreeing, but as far as I am concerned Fable was trying to be "useful" with that post in a way that poked fun at me while conveying how he feels about me.
Mind's response to that post of Fable's is spot on since the post doesn't clue you into on any tells relevant to Fable's knowledge of me. Mind did good to follow up asking for examples. As far as I am concerned, the criticism is well placed.
Note, too, that Fable got a lot of flak over that post which led to 4 votes being placed on him. Off the top of my head I forget if Mind was one of those, but I do recall that those others that voted for Fable did so with reasons akin to thinking Fable was full of salt concerning me. Certainly Mind's criticism is better than, say, Necar's of Fable (as an example off the top of my head since his reaction to Fable is what earned him my vote).
*Stares at the cat.*
Nope, you're not. I'm a terrible player as scum or town.
Also insert some joke about me wanting to engage in sexual intercourse with you.
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One is me being very serious, and the other is me being rather silly. I bet you can tell the difference if you put your mind to it.
@Necarg: So are you acknowledging your vote on Fable as being a terrible play?
What do you think of Mindreaver?
@Mindreaver: You explicitly said you aren't meta-clearing anyone, asking for behavior, and yet answered my question on your read on JD as "meta". Stop being dismissive.
More votes on Mindreaver please.
Yes, I'm also acknowledging that I'm a terrible player, regardless of alignment.
KosaKosa, more like....
um....
****...
InterCoursaCoursa?
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What you consider opportunistic is vastly different from what I consider to be opportunistic. What Mind said about Fable isn't opportunistic. That's fact followed up by trying to get relevant content.
Now what Necar stated when voting for Fable is a definite example of being opportunistic.
Since you're talking about him, what is your read on Necar? I'd love to hear it.
Look you're obviously going to beat this to death. JD has had three posts this entire game. The first two are directed at KoD, and the last one was an "Oh Hi Mindreaver, I'm still scumreading you" post. I clearly couldn't possibly deduce his alignment from that. Not from anything, meta or behavior. HOWEVER, we have a history, and I'm being playful with him.
In short, I'm having a good time. While playing a game. You should try it.
You on the other hand seem to think you've "caught me" here. Do you think you have? Ready to end the day? Over this?
Straight silliness on your part.
Where I'd actually like to spend time: Killjoy. Where you at?
@Mindreaver: dude. You literally voted me over your read on JD. Seriously, wtf.
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Well you could be forgiven for thinking so. But really, I didn't say that. I said you're both scum.
The point i was trying to make about your JD interactions is this. You decided I was scum (post 51, the one where I let the cat out of the bag, evidently). Great. You then glam onto JD with posts in the vein of: "Hey everyone, look at JD, HE gets it, love him". Now what kind of appeal is that? Is it "Look at this evidence I have" or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want". Which is a scummy way to push for a lynch. I'm not begging people to join me. They'll see what I see, or not. We've got lots of time.
Tick tock.
Tick tock.
I also already mentioned the "stream of consciousness" post. But I still say that was scum PoV if I ever saw one. Players are noticing things, jotting down alignments, recording votes, sorting and filtering all kinds of data. But the point of TOWN play is to sort the good from the bad. While doing that, we can't have thoughts that conflict, without thinking those through. "Fable = Town" two lines before "Mind was coaching Fable, therefore he's scum" would cause a town player to re-evaluate those reads. SCUM on the other hand, know the answers already, so they don't need to keep track of the big picture. Your post read to me exactly like somebody dumping thoughts, but without stopping to consider their consequences.
These are the 4 possible scenarios:
1) If Fable is town, how can I coach him as scum? What's my motivation for doing that? Helping him not get mislynched?
2) Or we're both scum together, that's another theory. But in that case, why not just join the 4 man Fable wagon, why start your own on the other guy?
3) Or we're both town together. In that case, you shouldn't be voting either of us.
4) I'm town and Fable is scum. I'm town, and was clearing coaching a scum player. A mistake? maybe. In any case a vote on me is wrong here too.
So 2,3,and 4 would have you not voting me, if you were even trying to solve the game.
Which leaves scenario 1, which seems unlikely to me. BUT, based on your stream of consciousness post, it's pretty much exactly what you think is happening since you're pursuing me with vigor, and have a stated townread of Fable.
Catching up. I've been semi-following this game but skimmed the big walls.
I remember not liking Necarg and JD from page 1.
Necarg because of the meta-clear of Chris. I can't believe anyone who has experience with Chris would clear him page 1 on meta.
And JD because of the jump on KoD with an accusation that doesn't mesh.
Cool. Could you answer the question though? Saying you'll be voting him doesn't explain to me why you'll be voting him for what led you to think him worthy as such. If you've covered it before, then feel free to give me a short summary.
Mind
*Points at the cat.* That's why I'm wary of her. Do you know how bad it would be for me to get pocketed by someone with a posting restriction?
That being said, I promise to go back through your posts cat so I can look at who you are looking. It'll be later though since I intend to go into the Nexus shortly.
Welcome to hell Rhand. Glad to have you aboard. When you read it, I'd like to hear your impression on Fable's "KoD list" post that generated some flak for him. Also the interactions to that post as well.
This is a scumpost. He's hoping that someone else is going to do the dirty work on the fos.
vote Kosa
Fable should have unvoted here. The discussion that follows boggles me.
The self-consciousness here hurts.
Very useless vote for this stage of the game. There's loads going on and you vote the cat?
Do you think chris and fable can be scum together?
I wanted to ask someone what null lean means, but forgot his name
@KoD: I think that post can come from either alignment. I don't know him well enough.
Best I can say at this point is anything is possible wrt to Chris and Fable possibly being scum together.
Although I'm glad you quoted that. I actually have a question for whoever wants to answer it: Is Gas Chamber another term you commonly use here to indicate, more or less, top scum picks?
Townpost and a bit of a slapdown on top of it. Mindreaver very methodically picks apart the weak reasoning being thrown at him. he's even demonstrating cognizance of town and scum motivations.
UNVOTE; VOTE:Kosakosa
I'll come back and give you the rest when I'm off work but the reread as some questionable posts from Kosa and he's shot to the top of the list.
Got it, but no more of these catch-up blank posts please. Come back with a read or two in your next post.
@half-time: what does lean null mean?
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This is the type of tell I've been trying to look out for in the early game. Someone asks a question in an attempt to create suspicion?
It's essentially a tag question and could also be written as such. "Fos'ing without voting is a major scumtell, isn't it?" He's actually trying to convey his thought but the tag line "isn't" makes it look like a question. It can also be read as "Do you guys want to go after him?" If someone refutes him and says no, it isn't; he will look safe because he can say "it was just a question". The final sentence is a gross addition. Super aware of what he's doing he sort of slips here. "Then again, I'm rusty as heck at this." Can also be read as, I'm not invested in this if you aren't.
So here's another one that matches the mindset of his first post. Check this out. He says he likes SC but then in the next sentence says he's setting off a scum detector and then gives multiple references. Then as a final thought he AGAIN tries to distance himself from the shade he's cast "Don't think it's anything tangible, just c[l]inic gut feel" So read it over. I read through a couple times to see if I was jumping the gun. He says some nondescript positive comment about SC and then proceeds to say he might be doing some scummy things and then shows us evidence. Town doesn't usually say "I like this guy, but here's a scum case on him." Scum that doesn't want to get caught do that. He's tip-toeing around the cookie jar.
In response to Necarg town-reading SC. Questions a meta-clearance. Which would be otherwise null but Necarg's comments bare resemblance to kosa's they both say they like his play as town.
Going after SC again. Building a case. Says there are two so-called "minor" tells against him. But still creates distance from this assertion. Saying it's "odd" not outright "scummy", and that it's "food for thought". Begging for a wagon! "Think about SC guys. I don't want to do the voting I'll just keep saying he's being odd and setting off my alarms."
That's where I'm at on Kosa currently. I think he's a fine lynch at this point.
I'm jealous. I wanted to replace in as scum