And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
Seriously.
On page 1 you cleared someone.
Please teach me your ways mafia god. There is probably like 4 posts of his on the front page out of 200?
I'm feeling real good about ignoring that read of yours.
I'm surprised to hear you think you're flexible. (Though I did miss that Chris was the one to bring up what a townie's job was and it made you come off especially rigid.) I don't understand your hangup with the word opinion, and "coming out of nowhere" is a really loaded way to describe the third post in the thread talking about one of the only two people who have posted. I would think regardless of his alignment that Chris felt like he had a reason to townread Silver from that post, and so your assessment of it as "random" came off as mudslingy to me. I don't think that expecting Chris to call you out for "fishing" is very reasonable and it seems strangely self-conscious to think of that (and yet you're not self-conscious enough to keep it to yourself).
In general, the way you present your perception of the game is so formal logic-y and so removed from how I am trying to understand the game that I have a hard time telling whether you're being genuine. The way you write makes me feel like you care more about winning an argument than getting reads, which I think can be true regardless of whether you are town or mafia, but that quality does make it hard to figure out if you actually believe what you're saying.
Bolded is my emphasis.
Wasabipea made a mistake there: SC wasn't townreading you, but Shock.
If wasabipea/Tom is scum, what does that mistake mean in your opinion?
Just to clarify, since we seem to running around in circles, what exactly are you saying about the protection of the claim?
I don't exactly get what you are asking.
He defined it as a "Protection ability". It isn't, when I questioned him on it he said as much, but then double down onto the idea that it is a protection ability.
I actually think he slipped here, and that ability is totally made up. I don't see the moderator ever denoting it as a protection ability this makes me believe that it is a made up ability which leads me to believe that his other two claims are also made up. Which makes him a fake claim.
And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
Seriously.
On page 1 you cleared someone.
Please teach me your ways mafia god. There is probably like 4 posts of his on the front page out of 200?
I'm feeling real good about ignoring that read of yours.
I know you're a fierce adept of TappingStones' School of Ad Hominem(tm), but you should've stopped attending it 2 Days ago at least.
You don't agree with my arguments? Fine. But then lay out what you believe is wrong with them instead of being a dick. I posted three good reasons as to why I believe Kod ain't scum and your answer is "derp that cant be right because page 1 ur wrong derp".
Disprove them or make something better. Until then, you have no authority on the argumentation whatsoever.
I don't see the moderator ever denoting it as a protection ability this makes me believe that it is a made up ability which leads me to believe that his other two claims are also made up. Which makes him a fake claim.
Bolded is my emphasis.
My role name is mason-maker, despite 1) there already being a mason pair in the game and 2) the fact that I make neighbours, not masons, since alignments aren't confirmed upon ability resolution. So I don't think we are qualified enough to game the mod on those grounds.
And yes, KoD's ability may be a vanillification but it is also a protection. I don't believe your fine print argument stands here.
I'm surprised to hear you think you're flexible. (Though I did miss that Chris was the one to bring up what a townie's job was and it made you come off especially rigid.) I don't understand your hangup with the word opinion, and "coming out of nowhere" is a really loaded way to describe the third post in the thread talking about one of the only two people who have posted. I would think regardless of his alignment that Chris felt like he had a reason to townread Silver from that post, and so your assessment of it as "random" came off as mudslingy to me. I don't think that expecting Chris to call you out for "fishing" is very reasonable and it seems strangely self-conscious to think of that (and yet you're not self-conscious enough to keep it to yourself).
In general, the way you present your perception of the game is so formal logic-y and so removed from how I am trying to understand the game that I have a hard time telling whether you're being genuine. The way you write makes me feel like you care more about winning an argument than getting reads, which I think can be true regardless of whether you are town or mafia, but that quality does make it hard to figure out if you actually believe what you're saying.
Bolded is my emphasis.
Wasabipea made a mistake there: SC wasn't townreading you, but Shock.
If wasabipea/Tom is scum, what does that mistake mean in your opinion?
Assuming tom/wasabipea is scum, it looks like a slip. Because he would know Shock is scum and I'm not. But we can't know whether it was an honest mistake (silver/shock) or a slip without lynching him.
Just to clarify, since we seem to running around in circles, what exactly are you saying about the protection of the claim?
I don't exactly get what you are asking.
He defined it as a "Protection ability". It isn't, when I questioned him on it he said as much, but then double down onto the idea that it is a protection ability.
I actually think he slipped here, and that ability is totally made up. I don't see the moderator ever denoting it as a protection ability this makes me believe that it is a made up ability which leads me to believe that his other two claims are also made up. Which makes him a fake claim.
I just want to make sure we are all clear on what's being said. I don't trust his ability is what it says either. It is too convenient that an ability targets person and that person then dies with no one else claiming the kill, it looks suspicious. KoD is a lesser priority than Tom at the moment for me.
And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
Seriously.
That is some serious loose reasoning. Looser than Zinger at Casperia Prime. I'm not seeing a reason to clear KoD based on what you offered. If anything, it makes KoD look more suspicious. The way you are trying to clear him makes me think you are buddying up to him, trying to either deflect from you, or you think this is somehow helping your buddy.
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Assuming tom/wasabipea is scum, it looks like a slip. Because he would know Shock is scum and I'm not. But we can't know whether it was an honest mistake (silver/shock) or a slip without lynching him.
Yeah, it's the exact same conclusion I've reached.
That is some serious loose reasoning. Looser than Zinger at Casperia Prime. I'm not seeing a reason to clear KoD based on what you offered. If anything, it makes KoD look more suspicious. The way you are trying to clear him makes me think you are buddying up to him, trying to either deflect from you, or you think this is somehow helping your buddy.
We're far past the time of empty statements.
Why is my reasoning off to you? Be clear and precise.
Why do you believe it makes KoD look more suspicious?
IIRC you've never ever interacted directly with me nor laid out your opinion about me. Why do you believe a single post is enough for you to "peg" me as scum, and specifically as scum with KoD?
And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
Seriously.
On page 1 you cleared someone.
Please teach me your ways mafia god. There is probably like 4 posts of his on the front page out of 200?
I'm feeling real good about ignoring that read of yours.
I know you're a fierce adept of TappingStones' School of Ad Hominem(tm), but you should've stopped attending it 2 Days ago at least.
You don't agree with my arguments? Fine. But then lay out what you believe is wrong with them instead of being a dick. I posted three good reasons as to why I believe Kod ain't scum and your answer is "derp that cant be right because page 1 ur wrong derp".
Disprove them or make something better. Until then, you have no authority on the argumentation whatsoever.
I don't see the moderator ever denoting it as a protection ability this makes me believe that it is a made up ability which leads me to believe that his other two claims are also made up. Which makes him a fake claim.
Bolded is my emphasis.
My role name is mason-maker, despite 1) there already being a mason pair in the game and 2) the fact that I make neighbours, not masons, since alignments aren't confirmed upon ability resolution. So I don't think we are qualified enough to game the mod on those grounds.
And yes, KoD's ability may be a vanillification but it is also a protection. I don't believe your fine print argument stands here.
Actually Kosa makes a good point.
I still disagree about it being a protection, and I'll fight anyone to the death on that. But, I believe Kosa.
We'll have to fight to the death over it then. Your entire issue with me is based solely on the fact I described my ability, in an extremely shirt summary, as a protection among other things. The ability does protect from death via latnium and anyone that has been READING what I've posted would know what I've said about it.
@Chandra:
Yeah, the person (Mind) died, but that's because my ability does not protect from kills. I've noted this at least twice with an initial post and quoting that same post. If you still dislike that, then explain to me why I would willingly claim what I have as scum. Did I do it because I wanted to intentionally put that kind of information out there as opposed to doing so as town for the sake of having accurate information?
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"That was quite the fast one you pulled," the Prophet says. With a smirk, she says, "But not fast enough."
The agonizer implanted in Zinger's body goes off, sending him to the floor in, well, agony.
"I'm not turning that off now, you realize," the Prophet announces. "Try to escape again and that'll be quite the infraction, I tell you what."
The Prophet kneels down, grabs Zinger by the neck, and hoists him up over her shoulder before vanishing again.
Everybody is so full of ***** that I want all of you lynched. Except Wheat but I'd gladly swap Wheat for SEM-Juliet right now all things considered. Love you Wheat.
Tom is far and away the worst behaviorally, but alas. Rereading D1.
If Cyt is scum I'm gonna rage.
You ain't getting any of Miles' estate no matter how much you tell me you love me.
It is a protection. Just because you say it isn't doesn't make you right. As for it being a role like Chandra's, I assume you mean just the one, one-shot ability, yes? Other than trying to game the mod by asking me why I'm not going after Cat, how exactly is what she claimed similar to mine if she would have killed Silver via her ability? My ability doesn't kill them.
Again, as for the protection that is a protection. It literally prevents them from dying due to having no latinum. How you're not seeing that, or purposefully ignoring that for whatever reason, is beyond me.
@Cat:
Yeah it is suspicious. So why bother claiming it at all other than to get an accurate idea of how everyone's abilities are interacting with others during a mass claim? Explain it to me. As for the flavor, I refer you to my comments to Tom.
@Wheat:
Two things. First, did Killjoy ever confirm in the thread that you were confirmed town to him? Second, one of Tom, DV, or Half is scum, and it certainly doesn't seem like Half and DV, despite his choice of topics to pursue, hasn't come off anywhere near as scummy as Tom as. So other than your opinion, why is Tom not scum?
How is that trying to see if wheat is lynchable as opposed to fact checking? I don't know about you, but I actually like to know if what is being said is being backed up.
In Wheat's case, that removes the possibility of having to consider him as potential scum. And that's good given everything else going on.
Oh, I get it. You're just picking at whatever you can. Gotcha.
That's not picking at whatever he can.
Dude,
You have two masons confirmed to each other. One is dead and flipped clearly the other is auto town.
The fact that you have used that as a defense twice in recent memory while you are actually doing the same thing is a laughable joke. It is very clear that you are picking at what ever you can.
You act like I need to convince you of how scummy you are.
Don't bother ISOing me. You just keep saying something erroneous, and I will come along to correct you.
btw did you ever bother rereading my post to answer your question about my ability? My bet is you did, but didn't seek to pursue it.
This is a joke of a defense from someone who said and I quote "I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true" and then proceed to never back what they said up with facts. But you know logic is hard.
The fact that you can't wrap your head around why we think your explanation is such a joke and is mind boggling to me. It has been explained to you why it isn't a protection ability and your one and only argument is that it is because you said it is. IE that it protects from your own ability. Like what a crock of ***** that is as an argument.
You know you even lynched TS for the same reasons people are looking at you now, your over defensiveness with little to no content being created.
Note the question I asked to Wheat about whether or not it was confirmed in thread by Killjoy that Wheat was confirmed town to him. If you have a problem with me asking questions, get over it.
AS for Tom's question about ISOing me, exactly how is that a defense from me to a stupid question from a player who admittedly doesn't pay a lot of attention in the first place? And no, I lynched TS for lying first and foremost. How he acted after that with constantly misrepresenting what was being said only added to it. I haven't misrepresented facts or what others have been saying so there is no similarity to be drawn there.
Besides, it's only you and Tom that have voted me, and I haven't seen others agreeing with your opinions as much as you'd like to think.
For the love of all that is holy. Read what I posted. It is a protection because it protects from having no latnium. It does NOT protect from just my ability. Indeed, it doesn't protect from my ability at all. It protects the player from having NO LATNIUM.
For the love of all that is holy. Read what I posted. It is a protection because it protects from having no latnium. It does NOT protect from just my ability. Indeed, it doesn't protect from my ability at all. It protects the player from having NO LATNIUM.
It. Is. A. Protection.
Deal with it.
What if we don't love holy? Then do we not believe you?
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Assuming tom/wasabipea is scum, it looks like a slip. Because he would know Shock is scum and I'm not. But we can't know whether it was an honest mistake (silver/shock) or a slip without lynching him.
Yeah, it's the exact same conclusion I've reached.
That is some serious loose reasoning. Looser than Zinger at Casperia Prime. I'm not seeing a reason to clear KoD based on what you offered. If anything, it makes KoD look more suspicious. The way you are trying to clear him makes me think you are buddying up to him, trying to either deflect from you, or you think this is somehow helping your buddy.
We're far past the time of empty statements.
Why is my reasoning off to you? Be clear and precise.
Why do you believe it makes KoD look more suspicious?
IIRC you've never ever interacted directly with me nor laid out your opinion about me. Why do you believe a single post is enough for you to "peg" me as scum, and specifically as scum with KoD?
My statements are empty. There are full of awesome.
Your entire argument for KoD being town is that he's town. Saying someone is town because of how they interact with two people on day one confirms they are town is just complete bull*****. You can stay leaning town, but saying they are confirmed town is impossible given the current information at the time. The only way you can know he is confirmed town is if you are scum and you know who your scum buddies are. Unless there are missing posts from this game or something, I can't find any thread where KoD made a solid case for Chris being town or scum. He waffled a lot. As for Fable, putting a lot of stock in what scum does, especially that early in the game, is a dangerous gamble. It could go either way, depending on how well they play. They can try to next level people, so taking it as anything other than supporting preexisting suspicions is just wrong. As for shockwave, see the previous statement. The entiirelty of your argument relies on KoD being confirmed town because he was confirmed town. There is no reason to believe KoD anymore town than anyone else in this game.
I never said it made KoD more suspicious. It makes you suspicious as to why you are defending him. I already have a scum leaning on KoD, but your jumping in to defend him rather weakly is baffling me. Are you scum defending scum buddy which feels like a weak thing to do, are you trying to throw me off (what is most likely, and I have to determnie if you think I'm scum and trying to get me to slip or you are scum trying to get me slip so others will go after me instead), or you are a town and think you are coming to the aid of a town buddy you have no realistic way of knowing is town or not.
I never called you scum, but the guilty conscience is funny. I'm just trying to understand your motives for defending KoD and it feels more scummy than town. KoD/Tom are the only ones I have a definite scum read on. I don't believe they are necessarily both scum. Everyone else is null/slightly leaning town.
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I'd still like an answer as to why you said Tom is not scum. Suffice it to say, his actions or way of acting/reacting in/to situations has me pegging him as scum.
Especially since Half brought up that Brin was a town name cop and Tom had claimed an ability to name cop which, in a way, lends credit to my theory that Fable must've gotten Citric's name from Tom.
We seem to have reached an impasse. Kosa wants you to claim, so maybe that? Though he's going to vote you now for not claiming in that post probably.
We really should lynch. Like right now. We're probably not going to get any more info toDay than we have right now.
I still like your PoE, I think? Like. I've been thinking about it, and I'm ok with you claiming toMorrow. So if I have to choose between you and CFC, I'm going with:
1) Claimed a role ability literally similar to that of Brin's while Brin turned up as town, and we know Fable, willing to get himself killed, claimed the name of the town player (that proved inactive) that you killed?
2)Tom's claimed targets are all people who claimed to him (except for I believe it was Wheat)?
There's other issues with Tom too such as him changing the way he played during the time Half made the threat of potentially vigging him (causing Tom to react differently -- read: start caring about reading and posting stuff -- than he normally was during the course of the game).
Like, what is it about him that makes you ok with him?
Because my role overlap with Cat isn't anywhere near as extreme as the role overlap between you and Brin. My ability was one shot compared to Cat's which takes building up to to execute. You and Brin could flat out investigate for names.
Besides that, there's the fact that Brin turned up as town, and the fact Fable had the name of a player's role on the first day.
And no, you only keep track of certain **** that apparently matters to you (unlike past conversations).
1) Claimed a role ability literally similar to that of Brin's while Brin turned up as town, and we know Fable, willing to get himself killed, claimed the name of the town player (that proved inactive) that you killed?
We've been over this, there's no way that tom name-copped town and then Fable fakeclaimed the name of a town player. That almost definitely didn't happen. Actual reasonable possibilities are that the scum team had a Tailor with a "The Doctor" suit, that Citric was actually scum and was a death miller, or Fable chose "The Doctor" out of thin air without knowing the role was in the game.
2)Tom's claimed targets are all people who claimed to him (except for I believe it was Wheat)?
No, Wheat claimed Keiko like right after he claimed Masons with KJ. So all of tom's claimed targets claimed their names before he said he copped them. Although, since you won't claim flavor, we could have tom name cop you to prove himself if that's a problem for you. Like. It's a thing, and probably the most suspicious thing, but I don't think it's necessarily worth lynching him for.
There's other issues with Tom too such as him changing the way he played during the time Half made the threat of potentially vigging him (causing Tom to react differently -- read: start caring about reading and posting stuff -- than he normally was during the course of the game).
Like, what is it about him that makes you ok with him?
I want his claim before we lynch him, if nothing else. I agree with the first part of his PoE (CFC -> H_T). I have other suspects I would rather lynch first.
It's not that I'm refusing to lynch him or think he's the towniest person in the game or something. I just don't want him lynched toDay.
You should reread the post where I first mentioned it.
From KoD at some point in the thread (pulled from ISO)
@Half:
I kinda caught up about 2 days ago, but I've neglected to really talk due to a combination of being thoroughly distracted with other games (non-mafia) as well as trying to figure out how to approach today.
The non-mafia distraction stuff isn't a big deal. I can easily catch up. What's bothering me, and has been for multiple days which has delayed me, is Brin. Let me explain. Out of everything that has been said by Brin, the only thing that stood out to me was his claim about how he doesn't die if he uses up all his latnium (or however it is spelled). The reason I've been bothered by this (and another factor in my silence for today) is because of my last ability. Now, I'm kinda sorta trending into outguess the mod territory (yet another reason for my hesitance). My last ability (which I used) would have depleted a target's latnium by 2 and prevented their death from not having any latnium left as well as causing them to lose all abilities and properties related to being a Ferengi. I, quite literally, used the ability at the last moment on Mindreaver last night after I had some thing clarified to me via asking the mod. It was clarified to me that, given how the ability is worded, it wouldn't prevent any death, just a death resulting from a person (a Ferengi) no longer having any more latnium. Second, it was stated to me that death from no longer having latnium is a state-based effect for *latnium users*.
To repeat concisely, my issue is three-fold. I targeted Mind last night with my ability, it was confirmed to me that death is a state-based effect for latnium users with no more latnium, and Brin has claimed he doesn't die from having no more latnium. The first is an issue for me because he died last night, but it ties into my ability and what was clarified to me which connects to what Brin has stated. The last is outguessing the mod. My honest gut reaction is that if Brin doesn't die from having no latnium, then he must be lying about being Ferengi and could potentially be scum; however, (short of taking the mod's words to heart) I can't 100% say that a Ferengi role exists that survives without latnium.
As for why I'm saying this now -- well, like I said I've been following but not actively participating.
@Silver:
I'm sure you understand fully when I say no one is confirmed until they flip. I asked you that question because there's a shift in your thinking that puts you in line with agreeing with DV despite earlier days where he was against you (going back to the whole TS stuff). I don't know why you think Tom is town, but in thinking so that puts you on his side with DV while you've also made a direct connection by saying should Half flip as scum, then I must be scum. Tom, out of anyone atm, is by far the most scummy for how he's conducted himself when faced with a potential vig shot (starts caring) only to no longer care when the threat to his life is gone as well as keeping a mechanical secret concerning his role despite the need for him to claim it.
Your ability makes no sense based on who you targeted and your reasoning. You claimed to target the user with last ability, and it did nothing? Then someone else came along and killed your target? That smells are kind of fishy.
did we get confirmation if the mafia has daychat?
(Derpclear denied)
If cfc is scum spewing me and KoD town any remaining buddies are so pissed at him.
Almost no way cfc and KoD are knowingly aligned.
I think I'd be pretty happy lynching either.
vote KingofDominaria
Between refusing to give flavor and not noticing the CC, I think I like that better
* Cythare stretches and looks around at everyone. She hisses briefly at KingofDominaria before running up to Chandra's Fiery Cat and clawing at her leg. *
Eh... DoTA did try to "case" me before he replaced out, which... I mean, I can't really call it a case really, and it read like scum trying to back up TS trying to mislynch me. But I guess if he really thought I was scum...
Though. That second thing Kosa said is a good point. Because KJ was a good investigation target on N1 and not a good protective one. Hrm.
But if it's not CFC, the last two scum are in [D_V/H_T/tom/KoD]? Which. It's not ever D_V and H_T, I don't think, and it's probably not D_V and KoD?
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I need to do a full reread, but I'm probably not going to have time for that given the size of the thread.
We seem to have reached an impasse. Kosa wants you to claim, so maybe that? Though he's going to vote you now for not claiming in that post probably.
We really should lynch. Like right now. We're probably not going to get any more info toDay than we have right now.
I still like your PoE, I think? Like. I've been thinking about it, and I'm ok with you claiming toMorrow. So if I have to choose between you and CFC, I'm going with:
Those are all the posts with voting done. DV hasn't voted.
So can anyone come up with a case to lynch me other than the really weak argument dota tried to kill silver? Tom is just full of *****, so I doubt he is going to say anything useful. I don't see a reason to lynch anyone right now especially when there outstanding questions that need answers like what's Tom's flavor/ultimate and KoD odd ability. I don't want to go to night until we have at least answers to that. I don't want to let one these people I think are scum loose with night actions that could kill more town.
However, I do want to point out that Tom just likes to jump on whatever wagon he thinks will get people to stop following his shady actions. Nothing he has done even begins to hint at being town. He throws random crap at people that only distracts when we were hunting scum, especially himself.
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@cfc
DV voted and then unvoted.
my flavor is claimed, kod's is not.
@kod
DV unvoted on this ******* page, but yes i note down votes.
i think brinatoo's name cop/role cop/latinum count thing was his minus ability
and you had a name cop too. why do you only bring up that brinatoo was town and not that YOU are?
and have you decided if youre scumreading me for behavior or role yet? i know its been a struggle.
We've been over this, there's no way that tom name-copped town and then Fable fakeclaimed the name of a town player. That almost definitely didn't happen. Actual reasonable possibilities are that the scum team had a Tailor with a "The Doctor" suit, that Citric was actually scum and was a death miller, or Fable chose "The Doctor" out of thin air without knowing the role was in the game.
How is there "no way" Tom name copped a town player followed by Fable fake claiming that name? What's the reasoning behind this definitely not happening, or at least any evidence that actually suggests this?
A Framer may choose to frame a player during the night, causing that target to investigate as Guilty (or whichever result is unfavorable) to Cops. For obvious reasons, this role is almost always aligned with scum.
No version of this role is currently considered Normal on mafiascum.net; Mafia Framers were allowed prior to the spring of 2013.
The most common variant of Framer is Tailor, which can also target scum to have them investigate favorably to Cops. The name comes from the role tailoring investigative results to the user's liking.
The reverse, a role that gives incorrect innocent results, is the Lawyer.
In games without Cops, Framer/Tailor variants can exist that alter results given to other investigative roles (such as Tracker).
Framer exists solely to mess with Cops, and is a means of tempering Cops' results. However, most of the time Cop investigations will not be broadcasted for the Framer to directly tamper with, so in practice the Framer must try to deduce who the Cop will investigate assuming that the Cop is not the person the Mafia is killing at Night. This is not impossible to do, but at the same time not particularly likely, so Framer is roughly as powerful as Godfather.
Tailor is slightly more powerful, as it prevents Cops from believing their innocent results as well. Much of the effect of these roles comes in causing players to doubt the Cop's results after they flip (and thus the Town becomes aware of the possibility of the investigation results being tampered with).
I pulled that from mafia scum since I had no idea what a Tailor is.
That being said, your reasoning that the mafia had a Tailor is not reasonable. You're essentially saying that the Tailor role (which serves to alter results) was used during the Day despite Fable not being targeted by anyone for investigation (based on what everyone is claimed). Not only that, but you're also asserting to me that the altered result would have been The Doctor even though Fable wasn't investigated? Perhaps you meant to tell me that The Doctor was Fable's fake claim? Even though that would make no sense for a fake claim due to it being in the game on the town side.
And no, Fable randomly pulling that name out of all Star Trek characters is not reasonable either. Why? Because of the absurd amount of names he could have pulled from. What IS reasonable is that mafia name copped Citric's role during the day, got the result, and reported it to the rest of the mafia because of a day chat. That easily accounts for how Fable, who wanted to get himself killed, claimed the role name belonging to a town player.
No, Wheat claimed Keiko like right after he claimed Masons with KJ. So all of tom's claimed targets claimed their names before he said he copped them. Although, since you won't claim flavor, we could have tom name cop you to prove himself if that's a problem for you. Like. It's a thing, and probably the most suspicious thing, but I don't think it's necessarily worth lynching him for.
Even worse then as it is all not verifiable in any sense. That being said, I don't doubt he can name cop given what I've postulated. I fully expect he can, and if he truly can, then you're telling me that town has two roles that can consistently name cop (Brin and Tom). I don't buy that for a moment.
As for the last part, I'm not asking why won't you lynch him. I'm asking why you are ok with him, but if you feel that explaining why you wont' lynch him now adequately addresses my question, then sure. I got nothing else.
I'm scum reading you on both as can be deduced from what I've been talking about. It shouldn't be hard to keep track of that if you're paying attention.
As for myself, same thing applies wrt to the name cop ability. Mine was one shot. Brin and you could continuously do it.
Because my role overlap with Cat isn't anywhere near as extreme as the role overlap between you and Brin. My ability was one shot compared to Cat's which takes building up to to execute. You and Brin could flat out investigate for names.
Besides that, there's the fact that Brin turned up as town, and the fact Fable had the name of a player's role on the first day.
And no, you only keep track of certain **** that apparently matters to you (unlike past conversations).
Shouldn't you care enough to keep track of it as well?
The problem is I keep feeling that I'm "With you" until you do stuff like that.
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Look at his interactions with Sir Chris.
Look at how Fable came in trying to buddy him.
Look at this post by scum!shock:
And tell me this isn't a giggling reaction over two townies townslapping each other that early in the game RIGHT AFTER Sir Chris proclaimed Shock to be town.
Seriously.
So if it isn't CFC, and it isn't KoD.
It's either D_V/tom or tom/H_T, for you.
Right? Unless you think it's me, I guess. Which. Lol.
On page 1 you cleared someone.
Please teach me your ways mafia god. There is probably like 4 posts of his on the front page out of 200?
I'm feeling real good about ignoring that read of yours.
Silver. Imagine, for a second, that Tom is scum.
Considering that, check this post by wasabipea (whom Tom replaced) aimed at KoD:
Bolded is my emphasis.
Wasabipea made a mistake there: SC wasn't townreading you, but Shock.
If wasabipea/Tom is scum, what does that mistake mean in your opinion?
I don't exactly get what you are asking.
He defined it as a "Protection ability". It isn't, when I questioned him on it he said as much, but then double down onto the idea that it is a protection ability.
I actually think he slipped here, and that ability is totally made up. I don't see the moderator ever denoting it as a protection ability this makes me believe that it is a made up ability which leads me to believe that his other two claims are also made up. Which makes him a fake claim.
I know you're a fierce adept of TappingStones' School of Ad Hominem(tm), but you should've stopped attending it 2 Days ago at least.
You don't agree with my arguments? Fine. But then lay out what you believe is wrong with them instead of being a dick. I posted three good reasons as to why I believe Kod ain't scum and your answer is "derp that cant be right because page 1 ur wrong derp".
Disprove them or make something better. Until then, you have no authority on the argumentation whatsoever.
Bolded is my emphasis.
My role name is mason-maker, despite 1) there already being a mason pair in the game and 2) the fact that I make neighbours, not masons, since alignments aren't confirmed upon ability resolution. So I don't think we are qualified enough to game the mod on those grounds.
And yes, KoD's ability may be a vanillification but it is also a protection. I don't believe your fine print argument stands here.
I just want to make sure we are all clear on what's being said. I don't trust his ability is what it says either. It is too convenient that an ability targets person and that person then dies with no one else claiming the kill, it looks suspicious. KoD is a lesser priority than Tom at the moment for me.
That is some serious loose reasoning. Looser than Zinger at Casperia Prime. I'm not seeing a reason to clear KoD based on what you offered. If anything, it makes KoD look more suspicious. The way you are trying to clear him makes me think you are buddying up to him, trying to either deflect from you, or you think this is somehow helping your buddy.
And pretty much everything else.
Yeah, it's the exact same conclusion I've reached.
We're far past the time of empty statements.
Why is my reasoning off to you? Be clear and precise.
Why do you believe it makes KoD look more suspicious?
IIRC you've never ever interacted directly with me nor laid out your opinion about me. Why do you believe a single post is enough for you to "peg" me as scum, and specifically as scum with KoD?
There is an argument there.
IE your sample size is way too small.
Actually Kosa makes a good point.
I still disagree about it being a protection, and I'll fight anyone to the death on that. But, I believe Kosa.
Unvote
We'll have to fight to the death over it then. Your entire issue with me is based solely on the fact I described my ability, in an extremely shirt summary, as a protection among other things. The ability does protect from death via latnium and anyone that has been READING what I've posted would know what I've said about it.
@Chandra:
Yeah, the person (Mind) died, but that's because my ability does not protect from kills. I've noted this at least twice with an initial post and quoting that same post. If you still dislike that, then explain to me why I would willingly claim what I have as scum. Did I do it because I wanted to intentionally put that kind of information out there as opposed to doing so as town for the sake of having accurate information?
The Prophet appears behind Zinger, who was too dazed and confused while wandering the station to notice even a drunken Klingon, let alone a timeless being in the shape of an Orion woman.
"That was quite the fast one you pulled," the Prophet says. With a smirk, she says, "But not fast enough."
The agonizer implanted in Zinger's body goes off, sending him to the floor in, well, agony.
"I'm not turning that off now, you realize," the Prophet announces. "Try to escape again and that'll be quite the infraction, I tell you what."
The Prophet kneels down, grabs Zinger by the neck, and hoists him up over her shoulder before vanishing again.
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I had absolutely no recollection of this post until a minute ago. Past Kosa best Kosa
You ain't getting any of Miles' estate no matter how much you tell me you love me.
I said we were townfirmed and KJ confirmed it.
I suppose I could just ISO Killjoy. Not like he has a lot of posts.
deadbeat husband i'm glad he's dead.
In Wheat's case, that removes the possibility of having to consider him as potential scum. And that's good given everything else going on.
Oh, I get it. You're just picking at whatever you can. Gotcha.
I've done way too much work this phase
Don't bother ISOing me. You just keep saying something erroneous, and I will come along to correct you.
btw did you ever bother rereading my post to answer your question about my ability? My bet is you did, but didn't seek to pursue it.
That's not picking at whatever he can.
Dude,
You have two masons confirmed to each other. One is dead and flipped clearly the other is auto town.
The fact that you have used that as a defense twice in recent memory while you are actually doing the same thing is a laughable joke. It is very clear that you are picking at what ever you can.
This is a joke of a defense from someone who said and I quote "I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true" and then proceed to never back what they said up with facts. But you know logic is hard.
The fact that you can't wrap your head around why we think your explanation is such a joke and is mind boggling to me. It has been explained to you why it isn't a protection ability and your one and only argument is that it is because you said it is. IE that it protects from your own ability. Like what a crock of ***** that is as an argument.
You know you even lynched TS for the same reasons people are looking at you now, your over defensiveness with little to no content being created.
Note the question I asked to Wheat about whether or not it was confirmed in thread by Killjoy that Wheat was confirmed town to him. If you have a problem with me asking questions, get over it.
AS for Tom's question about ISOing me, exactly how is that a defense from me to a stupid question from a player who admittedly doesn't pay a lot of attention in the first place? And no, I lynched TS for lying first and foremost. How he acted after that with constantly misrepresenting what was being said only added to it. I haven't misrepresented facts or what others have been saying so there is no similarity to be drawn there.
Besides, it's only you and Tom that have voted me, and I haven't seen others agreeing with your opinions as much as you'd like to think.
For the love of all that is holy. Read what I posted. It is a protection because it protects from having no latnium. It does NOT protect from just my ability. Indeed, it doesn't protect from my ability at all. It protects the player from having NO LATNIUM.
It. Is. A. Protection.
Deal with it.
What if we don't love holy? Then do we not believe you?
And pretty much everything else.
My statements are empty. There are full of awesome.
Your entire argument for KoD being town is that he's town. Saying someone is town because of how they interact with two people on day one confirms they are town is just complete bull*****. You can stay leaning town, but saying they are confirmed town is impossible given the current information at the time. The only way you can know he is confirmed town is if you are scum and you know who your scum buddies are. Unless there are missing posts from this game or something, I can't find any thread where KoD made a solid case for Chris being town or scum. He waffled a lot. As for Fable, putting a lot of stock in what scum does, especially that early in the game, is a dangerous gamble. It could go either way, depending on how well they play. They can try to next level people, so taking it as anything other than supporting preexisting suspicions is just wrong. As for shockwave, see the previous statement. The entiirelty of your argument relies on KoD being confirmed town because he was confirmed town. There is no reason to believe KoD anymore town than anyone else in this game.
I never said it made KoD more suspicious. It makes you suspicious as to why you are defending him. I already have a scum leaning on KoD, but your jumping in to defend him rather weakly is baffling me. Are you scum defending scum buddy which feels like a weak thing to do, are you trying to throw me off (what is most likely, and I have to determnie if you think I'm scum and trying to get me to slip or you are scum trying to get me slip so others will go after me instead), or you are a town and think you are coming to the aid of a town buddy you have no realistic way of knowing is town or not.
I never called you scum, but the guilty conscience is funny. I'm just trying to understand your motives for defending KoD and it feels more scummy than town. KoD/Tom are the only ones I have a definite scum read on. I don't believe they are necessarily both scum. Everyone else is null/slightly leaning town.
And pretty much everything else.
This is the most schizophrenic game I've ever played by a ******* milestone.
Tom, I'll vote you if you don't claim in your next post.
Way worse.
I'll sit on the sidelines at this point. These running diary posts are very entertaining.
ive claimed all im going to claim until tomorrow.
which is quite a lot really.
(oh, and yes dv. strongman-ing me seems good)
ill still lynch cfc, kod, or halftime.
ill consider someone else only if they all flip and the game is still going.
I'd still like an answer as to why you said Tom is not scum. Suffice it to say, his actions or way of acting/reacting in/to situations has me pegging him as scum.
Especially since Half brought up that Brin was a town name cop and Tom had claimed an ability to name cop which, in a way, lends credit to my theory that Fable must've gotten Citric's name from Tom.
We seem to have reached an impasse. Kosa wants you to claim, so maybe that? Though he's going to vote you now for not claiming in that post probably.
We really should lynch. Like right now. We're probably not going to get any more info toDay than we have right now.
I still like your PoE, I think? Like. I've been thinking about it, and I'm ok with you claiming toMorrow. So if I have to choose between you and CFC, I'm going with:
Vote: Chandra's Fiery Cat
Vote Count please
tom (3) - KoD (2596), CFC (2598), halftime (2643)
CFC (3) - wheat (2622), cyth (2642), silver (2688)
KoD (1) - tom (2625)
not voting - DV, kosa
unvote, vote CFC
somebody can hammer.
How can you be ok with Tom when he's:
1) Claimed a role ability literally similar to that of Brin's while Brin turned up as town, and we know Fable, willing to get himself killed, claimed the name of the town player (that proved inactive) that you killed?
2)Tom's claimed targets are all people who claimed to him (except for I believe it was Wheat)?
There's other issues with Tom too such as him changing the way he played during the time Half made the threat of potentially vigging him (causing Tom to react differently -- read: start caring about reading and posting stuff -- than he normally was during the course of the game).
Like, what is it about him that makes you ok with him?
if role overlap is a problem for you, why are you not voting CFC?
Besides that, there's the fact that Brin turned up as town, and the fact Fable had the name of a player's role on the first day.
And no, you only keep track of certain **** that apparently matters to you (unlike past conversations).
No, Wheat claimed Keiko like right after he claimed Masons with KJ. So all of tom's claimed targets claimed their names before he said he copped them. Although, since you won't claim flavor, we could have tom name cop you to prove himself if that's a problem for you. Like. It's a thing, and probably the most suspicious thing, but I don't think it's necessarily worth lynching him for.
I want his claim before we lynch him, if nothing else. I agree with the first part of his PoE (CFC -> H_T). I have other suspects I would rather lynch first.
It's not that I'm refusing to lynch him or think he's the towniest person in the game or something. I just don't want him lynched toDay.
Those are all the posts with voting done. DV hasn't voted.
So can anyone come up with a case to lynch me other than the really weak argument dota tried to kill silver? Tom is just full of *****, so I doubt he is going to say anything useful. I don't see a reason to lynch anyone right now especially when there outstanding questions that need answers like what's Tom's flavor/ultimate and KoD odd ability. I don't want to go to night until we have at least answers to that. I don't want to let one these people I think are scum loose with night actions that could kill more town.
However, I do want to point out that Tom just likes to jump on whatever wagon he thinks will get people to stop following his shady actions. Nothing he has done even begins to hint at being town. He throws random crap at people that only distracts when we were hunting scum, especially himself.
And pretty much everything else.
DV voted and then unvoted.
my flavor is claimed, kod's is not.
@kod
DV unvoted on this ******* page, but yes i note down votes.
i think brinatoo's name cop/role cop/latinum count thing was his minus ability
and you had a name cop too. why do you only bring up that brinatoo was town and not that YOU are?
and have you decided if youre scumreading me for behavior or role yet? i know its been a struggle.
How is there "no way" Tom name copped a town player followed by Fable fake claiming that name? What's the reasoning behind this definitely not happening, or at least any evidence that actually suggests this?
I pulled that from mafia scum since I had no idea what a Tailor is.
That being said, your reasoning that the mafia had a Tailor is not reasonable. You're essentially saying that the Tailor role (which serves to alter results) was used during the Day despite Fable not being targeted by anyone for investigation (based on what everyone is claimed). Not only that, but you're also asserting to me that the altered result would have been The Doctor even though Fable wasn't investigated? Perhaps you meant to tell me that The Doctor was Fable's fake claim? Even though that would make no sense for a fake claim due to it being in the game on the town side.
And no, Fable randomly pulling that name out of all Star Trek characters is not reasonable either. Why? Because of the absurd amount of names he could have pulled from. What IS reasonable is that mafia name copped Citric's role during the day, got the result, and reported it to the rest of the mafia because of a day chat. That easily accounts for how Fable, who wanted to get himself killed, claimed the role name belonging to a town player.
Even worse then as it is all not verifiable in any sense. That being said, I don't doubt he can name cop given what I've postulated. I fully expect he can, and if he truly can, then you're telling me that town has two roles that can consistently name cop (Brin and Tom). I don't buy that for a moment.
As for the last part, I'm not asking why won't you lynch him. I'm asking why you are ok with him, but if you feel that explaining why you wont' lynch him now adequately addresses my question, then sure. I got nothing else.
If you want my flavor, then you claim your ability that you won't claim. Then I'll claim fully.
I'm scum reading you on both as can be deduced from what I've been talking about. It shouldn't be hard to keep track of that if you're paying attention.
As for myself, same thing applies wrt to the name cop ability. Mine was one shot. Brin and you could continuously do it.
you just think name/flavor doesnt matter when you, me, and brinatoo all have/had name and flavor related stuff in our roles.
which is ridiculous
Shouldn't you care enough to keep track of it as well?
The problem is I keep feeling that I'm "With you" until you do stuff like that.