@silver (2047), the biting your tongue part is in response to your notion that (in your example) talking to DV about thinking Tom is a good daykill would be pointless. As I pointed out you at the very least get a better read on where DV's head is at, but could also point out flaws in his thinking or yours and come to a better analysis of the situation at hand. Discussion is a powerful tool that I feel you are either underestimating or intentionally ignoring here.
Ok, so just hypothetically speaking.
For the deferring to Tom part, I'm referring to 1869 where you specifically tell Tom you'll just wait for his reread because you don't trust yourself to get a good read on somebody with like ten posts of content. I don't know how to read that any other way then you're deferring to Tom.
Oh, that. I meant I couldn't get anything out of it except his awful vote pattern and that he was plausibly aligned with Fable so I was hoping Tom would find more than that. Not that I would just agree with whatever Tom said about him.
@slowing while waiting on me, why are you waiting on me in the first place? If you haven't pieced it together by now from my not very subtle words, I'm using this platform as a means of discussion and further analysis. I'm not looking to aim a gun and shoot it quick as I can. If you're town and you've decided to just stop looking for scum because I haven't shot somebody yet, you should probably reevaluate your strategy since you don't even know for sure that I can shoot somebody since the only evidence of it is my own words.
/barn this ( ). I don't want to talk to myself, though, which is part of the reason I wanted someone else to pick my PBPA target. Then they might actually be interested in talking about it when I finish.
halttime, i am missing how my claim ***** was untownly.
i softed several times, and i have my reasons. and you cant really know them without knowing my role.
but ignoring that, why was it anti town? youve said it a couple times, but i have no idea why you think that.
ive accepted that you read my IDGAFness as neutral-ish or whatever.
its dumb, but i follow it.
?????????? = Missed opinion or hasn't given a preference
DoT(4): Silver, Brin, KoD, WG
Shock(2): WG, Cyth
tom(1): DV
Silver(1): DV
KJ(1): Silver
HT(1): WG w/ CG
Lurkers(1): Zinger
Notes: I doubt Silver still advocates for KJ after mason claim otherwise wut? tom has insinuated/is hesitant on DoT shot. Kosa barns WG posts/potentially the shots? KJ gets a pass for now for being tied to WG but he should atleast pipe in on his partners vig ideas... The others have been unimpressive/fencesitting on the subject and done nothing.
Indifference Kill:
KoD: tom 1911
Others might be here concerning tom but it's the only one I saw/cared to look for since he gave his other preferences for actual shots.
I'll PBPA DoT tomorrow. FWIW HT, the ones who are more interested in personas being vigged have offered their opinion and some their take on interactions etc. We've talked about the meta of shooting lurky members as a means of scumhunting/getting rid of people that shouldn't do so regardless of alignment. We've offered opinions on what would be the best play. You should know that, if you are town, that owning a dayvig and claiming such would give us no reason to doubt you. Other explanations of a different situation are bad. You should be aware of what the consequences of lying about something like that would be. LAL.
And I wouldn't say that we've stopped hunting for scum. The thread has come to a grind because A. A day-vig should happen before a lynch happens(normally the votes reset after it's done so that's another thing that makes voting useless for now) B. the non-lurkers have offered their opinion on it and given content that is enough... and the others are either ignorant/afraid of offering a stance on anything. C. Chandra hasn't paid attention to anything me/Silver has been asking concerning the role... which is stopping our investigation for night targets and I feel others are curious of it too. I was hoping one of the lurkers would get their ass onto a case of someone(even DoT) but clearly they want to wait for a vig.... They had their chance to make me feel better but I've lost my patience and I'd vig the lot of them and move on given the chance. Except KJ for obvireasons.
Thoughts? Or are you just waiting on effort that probably won't ever happen from the lurkers?
KJ is behind the idea of a tom kill based on our mason chat.
I married the wrong guy.
Also, correction for Brinatoo: I think Shockwave is far and away the best player to shoot. I'd rather pull Dota off the list of people I endorse to vig.
Keep HT on though. CG. Coconut gun. Shoot yourself with a coconut gun.
Phone post, please forgive my formatting (or rather the lack thereof).
Brinatoo: Yeah, I wouldn't vig KJ now. I think Chandra and KJ are the only ones lurking now, though. Would prefer a wagon on Shockwave.... Hrm. Actually. Put me in the idgaf pile on the day vig (if it even exists) at this point. I'd support a vig of any null just to narrow PoE and get the game moving again, though I'd prefer Chandra for [reasons].
Tom: apparently Annorax likes to put himself in the game as a role or something and Shockwave is wondering if it's you since you claimed "not Ferengi Planeswalker." It's an interesting idea with some merit.
Sorry. I kind of forgot about this. New to all this.
I'll do my read later tonight. I put an avatar up like asked.
As for my role, I thought that was what the mass claim thing was for which isn't happening yet. My posting was me and not anything to do with my role or my posting restrictions. I was in a certain mood that night.
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And pretty much everything else.
@Chandra: I think the only question I have for you right now is: is this your first game of Mafia? Or have you played elsewhere/are you a gimmick? I either don't know about or have forgotten the questions Brinatoo is talking about.
@Brinatoo: I'm not on board with lynching people just for lying. Town lies for various reasons and I can think of several good reasons for town to lie about having a vig shot and about zero reasons for scum to... especially since we'll end up looking at him real closely if he never uses it but insists on having it.
Mmm. I think that's everything I missed in my post earlier that I care to comment on, at least until something interesting happens.
tl;dr: the more marks, the more interactions were found. The more interactions, the less likely to be on the same team since scum are primarily concerned with swaying the town, not their buddies.
thank you.
If you want to be **** buddies now, I'm down.
I'm really struggling to get my head into this game. I think it's partly because how long each page is. Need to go adjust those settings so the pages don't go on forever. Yeeesh.
Firstly - Fable, back off of the cat! I'm very much a cat person (have 3) and I won't stand for any kitty abuse.
Secondly - I've been skimming along but works been so hectic these last few days I'm falling asleep by 20h30/21h00 every night. Tonight's the first night I feel even slightly human. I've started a reread and will post some thoughts shortly.
Chris clearing Shockwave for the No Lynch post: I want to go see how he's responded to GJ for doing the same thing in the beginning of games. I don't recall him town clearing based on that before. @Sir Chris: You never responded to KoD’s comment in #15 that a townies job is to be transparent, which was a direct contradiction to your thoughts on the matter in #12. Tapping has a point that scum will also try to look transparent, but surely they have a harder time of it since they have to fabricate their reads? Thoughts? (Nvm, you address it in #70)
Necarg’s posting restriction seems a bit crass considering the source material. Unless he's Kirk. And even then it's a bit heavy handed. @Necarg: Are you Kirk?
Didn't Tordeck fake a posting restriction not so long ago? He was town iirc but it's an anti-town play since it distracts from actual content. At least it's not as bad as only posting in song titles…
(This is why I hate having to catch up on games, Mindreaver brings this exact point up in #106. LEAVE ME SOMETHING TO QUESTION DAMMIT! )
Like jd’s point in #41 about KoD’s fishing comment being very self-aware. TS in #42 also raises this, and as one of the players who’s gone after TS for what I thought was fishing (and TS was town), I can attest to it creating good interactions that help to reveal mindsets and alignments.
@Tapping: You said my opening post felt forced? The joys of timezone differences, I made a quick RVS post on the first thing that stuck out at me before I left for work. That's it. As for the illogical reasoning, I never said that only GJ can do it, I just pointed out that it's an opening that a certain player is well known for.
@D_V(#90): Why is the Fable wagon a bad one?
#103: The Crystal in my opening post was just my phone auto correcting Silvercrys into Silver Crystal
So I got as far as 106 with notes etc. and then realised that I'm wasting time with making notes when 5 posts later someone else asks exactly the same thing, or someone explains a previous post in more detail and completely in aliases a question I had for them. Current state of the game:
Never voting for:
Cythare
Have a big pile of null/lean-town reads, with Tapping being closest to the top. Those closest to the bottom of that pile/fallen into the scum category:
Kosa (Tapping's post at the top of page 5 sums it up really well)
jdisawesomesauce (replace out under pressure? Mind brought up some good points against him...)
Col Mongoose
Vote: Col Mongoose
2 posts with minimal content (pot/kettle, I know) and then a sudden scumread on Rhand for the "I wanted to be scum" comment. Mongoose voting for the sake of voting and just needed a reason that would look legit.
His first post of real content. Casts suspicion on Chris. Talks about Necarg's posting restriction and brings up potential faking of it. Says it's anti-town in that scenario because it distracts from actual content. Then he likes jd's point about KoD's fishing comment being self--aware and attests to it creating good interactions. Defends his comment about GJ no lynch stuff. Asks why DV why the fable wagon is a bad one. Then says he's frustated about being nath'd on adding content... brings up a weak list of reads: never voting Cythare, says he has a null/leantown reads but doesn't go into specifics except that Tapping is the closest to the top. The closest to his bottom being Kosa(barning Tapping), jd for what Mind brought up and questioning replacing out under pressure and Col_Mon for minimal content and sudden scumread on Rhand.
So essentially a bunch of fencesitting and things to appear to be looking like working. It's kind of stupid to think a town!version of him wouldn't find ways to scumhunt instead of *ah shoot everyone's asking the questions that I was gonna ask* What a load of garbage. No motivation to think of anything? Yea right. I especially don't like his agreement on jd's #41 about being self-aware then scumreading him later for Mind's points... And confusing Sir Chris for clearing Shockwave for a no lynch post that Silver did is a thing.
Chris clearing Shockwave for the No Lynch post: I want to go see how he's responded to GJ for doing the same thing in the beginning of games. I don't recall him town clearing based on that before.
I think one of us misread some names here. It wasn't me.
Don't know how I mixed those up, but it does lead to a follow up question, Shockwave confirmed the stupid question comment was a posting restriction. How does that affect your townread of him?
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I don't really mind saying why I cleared Shockwave. He disrupted.
jdisawesomesauce (replace out under pressure? Mind brought up some good points against him...)
While I'd hate to think that was the reason he left, I'm a little confused here DoTA. I haven't actually made any good points about JD. So what are you referencing?
It was these posts that stood oit to me:
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Why is JD scum?
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
If it makes you feel better, if he'd prove his town-ness with posting frequency and accurate reads, I'd be open to re-evaluating my completely biased read of him.
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JD has had three posts this entire game. The first two are directed at KoD, and the last one was an "Oh Hi Mindreaver, I'm still scumreading you" post. I clearly couldn't possibly deduce his alignment from that. Not from anything, meta or behavior. HOWEVER, we have a history, and I'm being playful with him.
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The point i was trying to make about your JD interactions is this. You decided I was scum (post 51, the one where I let the cat out of the bag, evidently). Great. You then glam onto JD with posts in the vein of: "Hey everyone, look at JD, HE gets it, love him". Now what kind of appeal is that? Is it "Look at this evidence I have" or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want". Which is a scummy way to push for a lynch. I'm not begging people to join me. They'll see what I see, or not. We've got lots of time.
@Archon looking legit does not have anything to do with fishing for information or trying to open other avenues of discussion. I find your input in nercarg quite intriguing. Also if just bandwagon on someone else wouldn't I get scrutiny anyway?
If you had more content in your posts prior to your vote that looked like you were actively trying to work something out then you wouldn't have to worry about scrutiny, as long as your vote aligned with your reads. In a discussion recently about mafia theory a very strong player gave me some advice: read every post and ask yourself why town would say that. I can't think of a town reason for your Rhand vote.
What about my Necarg comment intrigues you?
Clarification on misunderstanding who did what in regards to no-lynch stuff. Talks to Mind about what he liked concerning jd. And responds to Col_Mon rebuttal.
I find it likely that DoT's motivation was more leaning on spreading suspicion on Chris rather than actually paying attention to the situation. Mind brings up that he didn't think anything he brought up was anything worth barning over. Then DoT procedes to not explain anything of why he barnacled onto it, just requoted it.... Appearing to be working again. And to prodvote colmon for something that he is also guilty of is bad.
@Silver my thoughts on Kosa are nuetral leaning town, based on how he has been active and had some good input. Also thinking Rhand is Nuetral leaning town.
Although maybe TS deserves another look he's was the one to quick call a scum team after I voted Rhand.
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Can you walk me through how your read of Rhand went from scum to neutral-lean town?
Recorrecting colmon. I feel like DoT should have been more engaged in his questioning/clarification here as town. Wouldn't someone he is gunning for that makes a mistake like this cause at least some kind of reaction than stuff that is bland. His only question feels like the bare minimum that someone should do.
How my read on Rhand changed my initial read was a blind accusation in an attempt to do a little town hunting and clearing. I never had plans of starting a wagon on Rhand, merely was trying to gain a little more intel and start up some more discussion.
Amidst all the discussion already happening, (KoD/Chris, TS/Kosa, Mind/JD) you blind vote someone you don't believe is scum just to generate discussion? Which wagon were you trying to deflect?
I can see where kosa is coming from. Or at least what is being said as scum telling. Essentially kosa is leveling an accusation of bandwagoning and presenting partial information to create a false light. I'll have to review TS's post on kosa though as its not in the forefront of my mind. If it does end up ringing true though, that makes DV's accusation of OMGUS a lot less powerful and more likely a slanderous attempt at quickly derailing blow back on TS.
As I said before I was interested to see what DoT brought to the table in terms of content. The best word I could describe it would be disappointed. The post seemed to start out good with heavy analysis of the game, but then about half way through the posts made between the start and his content post he just kinda quits (there in lies the disappointment). He then goes on to vote goose for quickly voting after starting to make content posts. Hilariously hypocritical that vote was. The whole thing seemed to me that he was trying to make a show of putting in effort instead of actually putting in effort.
More tomorrow. This weekend has got me wore out.
I got frustrated when I kept having to remove questions/quotes from my notes when I found that others had asked the same thing. I don't fair well in the beginning of larger games, I tend to pick out one thing and focus on it (like above with Goose).
Calling out Kosa for voting TS and defending with meta. Questions colmon more for Rhand flip. Response to HT. I really don't like DoT continuing to play the "Oh well everyone asked the same thing I was thinking, I'm incapable of thinking of anything else herp derp" Inherently antitown lazy game.
Sorry for the absence, works been pretty hectic since I got back from leave.
@tom: What about my posts in this game gives you the impression I'm not once again lost as all hell? My mislynch on Ace Attorney is what cost town the game, I took a bit of a confidence knock on that (I know that technically that's not 100% accurate since the other lynch candidate was also town, but I was the last town controlled flip in that game. Also doesn't help that I didn't have much confidence to begin with ).
Going back to the post where you mentioned Silver being Borg, you mentioned a cult.but never called it Borg Leader. He brought that specific title up with the capitalising etc., do you think it's a possible slip?
I'm sure there are things I'm supposed to respond to, please link or quote and I'll try and respond asap
More excuses for absence. Claims being lost and points to a mislynch in Ace Attorney that cost the game. A towny shouldn't have to bring up crap like this to be explicitly lazy. He should realize how worthless he is being and make an effort to be read by other townies. But he isn't and takes this route. Then he focuses on crap with Borg moreso than scumhunting anything? PLEASE.
I'm back, wanted to catch up last night and when I got home from work we had no power until this morning. I'll make a post over the course of the day after I'm done with my admin.
Ok I have about 12 pages to catch up since my last proper post and I'm not really in the right frame of mind right now (owner of the house we've been renting for the past 3 years gave us two months notice today as he's selling the house... ) but I did promise to catch up.
Is there anything specific I need to address? (Mind I haven't forgotten that you asked about the Jd quotes, I'll start there)
jdisawesomesauce (replace out under pressure? Mind brought up some good points against him...)
While I'd hate to think that was the reason he left, I'm a little confused here DoTA. I haven't actually made any good points about JD. So what are you referencing?
It was these posts that stood oit to me:
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Why is JD scum?
Meta. He has scumread me every single time, and every single time he is unwavering in that read, and EVERY TIME I'm town. He's just my nemesis, in a non-terrible-star-trek-movie type way.
If it makes you feel better, if he'd prove his town-ness with posting frequency and accurate reads, I'd be open to re-evaluating my completely biased read of him.
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JD has had three posts this entire game. The first two are directed at KoD, and the last one was an "Oh Hi Mindreaver, I'm still scumreading you" post. I clearly couldn't possibly deduce his alignment from that. Not from anything, meta or behavior. HOWEVER, we have a history, and I'm being playful with him.
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The point i was trying to make about your JD interactions is this. You decided I was scum (post 51, the one where I let the cat out of the bag, evidently). Great. You then glam onto JD with posts in the vein of: "Hey everyone, look at JD, HE gets it, love him". Now what kind of appeal is that? Is it "Look at this evidence I have" or is it more "Guys, I'll like you too if you vote the way I want". Which is a scummy way to push for a lynch. I'm not begging people to join me. They'll see what I see, or not. We've got lots of time.
It was mainly the content of the third post about Kosa's interactions with JD that made me think you were onto something. The first two posts where you mentioned his lack of activity reinforced it, if he knew he was going to have difficulty being active you would take him on for it. It was less about existing pressure and more about the possibility of future pressure that made me wonder about his replace out.
Hardly any content/response to Mind about the discussion from nearly 1000 posts back.. Literally the only content added and little at that.
Ok I have about 12 pages to catch up since my last proper post and I'm not really in the right frame of mind right now (owner of the house we've been renting for the past 3 years gave us two months notice today as he's selling the house... ) but I did promise to catch up.
Is there anything specific I need to address? (Mind I haven't forgotten that you asked about the Jd quotes, I'll start there)
That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that.
No one has asked you any questions specifically (that I remember), but a whole bunch of stuff has happened as I'm sure you'll notice. Your impression of Fable's wagon:
Would be awesome, as well as your thoughts on Half_Time and TappingStones. But those'll have to wait until after you finish catching up, probably.
With a wagon that large I would be surprised if there weren't at least one or two scum bussing him. By claiming scum though he made it easy for his buddies to bus him since its no longer necessary for them to explain their votes, they could just point to the claim.
"surely one or two scum bussing him" More crap to appear to be working. Like give me a break, this isn't a catchup. This is a "hey guys I'll catch up" "Here's some stuff about the wagon, did I do good? Back to V/LA"
Just lost a post that took me an hour to type up because of a stupid ******* misclick on my phone.
Page 12 (had hyperlinks to posts and everything)
I don't think tom and Fable are aligned based on their interactions.
Silver's interactions with Fable look soft compared to Chris, tom and Wheat's.
Shockwave mentioning the latinum directly after Fable does makes me think theyight be unaligned, I can't see scum!Shock drawing attention to himself immediately after Fable brings it up if he knows it's rolefishing.
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Silver/Fable interactions giving me pause. Gut read, they're buddies building up to the scum claim. Silver's reaction to the claim looks faked. The unvote looks really bad. And now above there's Silver's post where he "outed" himself. I think Silver just slipped and is referring to a chat from the scum thread, then conveniently claims to have a role that uses latinum. Silver also previously claimed to be anti-borg, during the whole debate about there being a cult, right around the time Fable claimed scum.
Vote: Silver
More tomorrow, it's 00h30 this side and I'm falling asleep.
Again hardly any content, weak reads/reasonings behind everything here. Then attacks Silver for something weak/null in general. More crap to appear to be working.
Sorry, I am here, been a rough couple of days. Two year old got a horrible stomach bug on the weekend, and yesterday my wife caught it. Barely keeping up with my other game and this one has been racing along at one hell of a clip.
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@DoT: Do you have any latinum? With you saying that nothing weird happened last Night, surely it didn't affect you since you imply you have no latinum stuff?
I used an ability last night. I got a result from the mod. Nothing odd occurred according to my result.
@Cythare (and anyone else who's asked my opinion of TS): Did you ever read the Mafia vs Werewolves game? Compare the TS meltdown there to the TS meltdown here. Almost identical. I know meta is not a 100% accurate measurement but I don't see scum!TS replicating that same level of anger and hypocrisy. This is town TS through and through.
More V/LA explanations and answered my latinum question in a way that really didn't appease my suspicion of him. Certainly he would know that unless I was gambiting on him, I had something on him. But he didn't answer in a way to talk about latinum. But I know he had latinum and he chose to ignore that bit? Yea right feels more like paranoid of ******* up/slipping.
@Mods: My ability to participate in this game has been near non-existent and won't be improving anytime soon, I'd like to be replaced if possible.
Replace out under pressure? I would have imagined he read what me/Silver were asking him and he folded. It would have been reasonable as town, that even if he did need to replace out for crap effort, he'd answer me and Silver. But he didn't.
TL;DR: Shoot DoT/Chandra please. Chandra: You have exactly one more post to answer My/Silver's questions that we've brought up many times. I'm not going to help you find them because you've gotta work for it. If you fail to do so AGAIN, I will do everything in my power to see that you are Dead by the end of the Day. Better hurry up with your fakeclaim. vote Chandra's Fiery Cat /in before potential reset by potential dayvig :/
@Silver: While people would try to lynch for something like that, I would no matter would at a bare minimum have less trust in him. A dayvig is something that is absolute and immediately confirmable. If someone is prepared to fake something like this, they should be aware of the circumstance that they can't prove it and will be lying about it. Upsides to it? Literally just discussion surrounding it? That's the point of wagons.... Seems like a big waste of time that could be used on a wagon instead.
[spoiler=DoT #1]@Silver: While people would try to lynch for something like that, I would no matter would at a bare minimum have less trust in him. A dayvig is something that is absolute and immediately confirmable. If someone is prepared to fake something like this, they should be aware of the circumstance that they can't prove it and will be lying about it. Upsides to it? Literally just discussion surrounding it? That's the point of wagons.... Seems like a big waste of time that could be used on a wagon instead.
Oh, I agree. I just don't like "Lynch all liars" as a policy.
I answered all questions asked of me. If you don't like my answers, well, I'm sorry?
I was asked whether I had any information from the person I replaced. There is nothing there about use of his abilities. I'm not sure he used them or anything.
For mass claiming, I am neither for or against it right now. From my limited understanding, mass claiming is only good in helping scum know who to kill. It doesn't seem likely that scum would be stupid enough or that that rax would make it easy to catch scum like that. If there is another hidden question somewhere, at least point me to the page because it is not showing up for me. If you are asking me to answer for my predecessors, sorry, but that is one trick I can't do.
Tom is still my number one pick so far as scum. I need to read up some more, but some people are really riding my butt over minor things. I don't mind someone riding me (or me riding them), but at least buy me a drink first. :3
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And pretty much everything else.
Halftime, we are waiting on you apparently. At this point, I'm starting to agree with others that you aren't a daykiller and are jerking us around. I'm not ready to vote for you to be lynched until you can give us a reason why you holding out.
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And pretty much everything else.
@brin (and I suppose silver by extension of agreeing with all that), if you can't see why people would react differently to a looming kill than a potential wagon that would have to garner support I don't really know what to tell you. They are different beasts and garner different reactions. To claim they are the same is to only utilize half of the power of a day kill.
@chandy, it's still stupid for anybody to be waiting around on me. Frankly saying you (the general you) are waiting for me is rather scummy as that means you aren't doing anything else. It makes no sense as town to rush a kill. It makes no sense as town to do nothing because a kill might be coming. Yet a handful of players are content to do both. Some are content to do nothing at all in the meantime and are safely hidden doing so since the first handful are too busy sitting on their thumbs to notice. Still others are doing something still, but they can only do so much until those that are content to stall the game out do so.
No, I will shoot in my own time and for my own reasons. Anybody that stops scum hunting or tries to stall the game out because I haven't shot yet will just look worse in my eyes.
If you can't see why people would react differently to a looming kill than a potential wagon that would have to garner support I don't really know what to tell you. They are different beasts and garner different reactions. To claim they are the same is to only utilize half of the power of a day kill.
Well, we were talking about the case where you're bluffing the daykill to generate reactions from the thread. It would be an indication that you're not trustworthy, but I don't think that would necessarily make you scum because I can't think of a scum motivation for generating reactions like that.
Other than that, yes, you're absolutely correct that the reactions around a looming kill are different from the interactions around a wagon. I happen to think a wagon is more useful on scum reads than an announced vig shot, but I think you and I have already discussed this at length and I'm fine with you shooting who you want when you want.
I answered all questions asked of me. If you don't like my answers, well, I'm sorry?
I was asked whether I had any information from the person I replaced. There is nothing there about use of his abilities. I'm not sure he used them or anything.
For mass claiming, I am neither for or against it right now. From my limited understanding, mass claiming is only good in helping scum know who to kill. It doesn't seem likely that scum would be stupid enough or that that rax would make it easy to catch scum like that. If there is another hidden question somewhere, at least point me to the page because it is not showing up for me. If you are asking me to answer for my predecessors, sorry, but that is one trick I can't do.
Tom is still my number one pick so far as scum. I need to read up some more, but some people are really riding my butt over minor things. I don't mind someone riding me (or me riding them), but at least buy me a drink first. :3
LUL, nope. And thanks for being caught in a lie. I KNOW your latinum went from 2 to 3, so I know something happened. Annorax would absolutely give you the data that he had. You just lied about there being nothing for sure. And this is not minor. I know you are Brunt, FCA Liquidator. Liquidation is probably anti-Ferengi. Silver blocked you last Night and there was only one Night kill. Explain your night actions NOW.
I find it telling that you go back to your sexual shenanigan crap after the fact of persecution. AKA your scumbuddies in daychat want you to continue to do it to play off as "just my language herp derp."
For you to pick out tom, out of everyone in the thread during a read of everything that has happened, whilst OVERLOOKING my/silver's questions, ESPECIALLY that he was on HT's vig radar, is super convenient/suspect. And now, you are continuing to barn others and hop on HT for holding out. Get dead.
No, I will shoot in my own time and for my own reasons. Anybody that stops scum hunting or tries to stall the game out because I haven't shot yet will just look worse in my eyes.
I answered all questions asked of me. If you don't like my answers, well, I'm sorry?
I was asked whether I had any information from the person I replaced. There is nothing there about use of his abilities. I'm not sure he used them or anything.
For mass claiming, I am neither for or against it right now. From my limited understanding, mass claiming is only good in helping scum know who to kill. It doesn't seem likely that scum would be stupid enough or that that rax would make it easy to catch scum like that. If there is another hidden question somewhere, at least point me to the page because it is not showing up for me. If you are asking me to answer for my predecessors, sorry, but that is one trick I can't do.
Tom is still my number one pick so far as scum. I need to read up some more, but some people are really riding my butt over minor things. I don't mind someone riding me (or me riding them), but at least buy me a drink first. :3
LUL, nope. And thanks for being caught in a lie. I KNOW your latinum went from 2 to 3, so I know something happened. Annorax would absolutely give you the data that he had. You just lied about there being nothing for sure. And this is not minor. I know you are Brunt, FCA Liquidator. Liquidation is probably anti-Ferengi. Silver blocked you last Night and there was only one Night kill. Explain your night actions NOW.
I find it telling that you go back to your sexual shenanigan crap after the fact of persecution. AKA your scumbuddies in daychat want you to continue to do it to play off as "just my language herp derp."
For you to pick out tom, out of everyone in the thread during a read of everything that has happened, whilst OVERLOOKING my/silver's questions, ESPECIALLY that he was on HT's vig radar, is super convenient/suspect. And now, you are continuing to barn others and hop on HT for holding out. Get dead.
I don't know what he did. I would like to know myself. I never overlooked your question. You don't believe my answer. There's a big difference. I went after Tom's post because that struck me the most odd and no one else mentioned. I didn't want to parrot what others said and I wanted to contribute to the game.
I like being playful sexual because it livens up the mood. Its not a fun if we all are being super serious and not having fun.
@chandy, it's still stupid for anybody to be waiting around on me. Frankly saying you (the general you) are waiting for me is rather scummy as that means you aren't doing anything else. It makes no sense as town to rush a kill. It makes no sense as town to do nothing because a kill might be coming. Yet a handful of players are content to do both. Some are content to do nothing at all in the meantime and are safely hidden doing so since the first handful are too busy sitting on their thumbs to notice. Still others are doing something still, but they can only do so much until those that are content to stall the game out do so.
No, I will shoot in my own time and for my own reasons. Anybody that stops scum hunting or tries to stall the game out because I haven't shot yet will just look worse in my eyes.
For the record, I never said I was waiting on you, just that others are and your stalling is making you look like like you are not telling the truth about the vig thing. I rather us scum hunt if you aren't going to use your ability.
Shockwave: all he does is just post random musings and barn what others say. Not ready to call scum, but is certainty not acting town.
Brinatoo: aside from his ravings that I am lying, he is clearly trying to get the bottom of what he thinks is a hunch. He is leaning town to me.
silver: is giving me a null read. I'm not getting anything really scummy, but nothing townie either.
I need to go over the earlier posts.
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I set fire, to the rain.
And pretty much everything else.
I kinda caught up about 2 days ago, but I've neglected to really talk due to a combination of being thoroughly distracted with other games (non-mafia) as well as trying to figure out how to approach today.
The non-mafia distraction stuff isn't a big deal. I can easily catch up. What's bothering me, and has been for multiple days which has delayed me, is Brin. Let me explain. Out of everything that has been said by Brin, the only thing that stood out to me was his claim about how he doesn't die if he uses up all his latnium (or however it is spelled). The reason I've been bothered by this (and another factor in my silence for today) is because of my last ability. Now, I'm kinda sorta trending into outguess the mod territory (yet another reason for my hesitance). My last ability (which I used) would have depleted a target's latnium by 2 and prevented their death from not having any latnium left as well as causing them to lose all abilities and properties related to being a Ferengi. I, quite literally, used the ability at the last moment on Mindreaver last night after I had some thing clarified to me via asking the mod. It was clarified to me that, given how the ability is worded, it wouldn't prevent any death, just a death resulting from a person (a Ferengi) no longer having any more latnium. Second, it was stated to me that death from no longer having latnium is a state-based effect for *latnium users*.
To repeat concisely, my issue is three-fold. I targeted Mind last night with my ability, it was confirmed to me that death is a state-based effect for latnium users with no more latnium, and Brin has claimed he doesn't die from having no more latnium. The first is an issue for me because he died last night, but it ties into my ability and what was clarified to me which connects to what Brin has stated. The last is outguessing the mod. My honest gut reaction is that if Brin doesn't die from having no latnium, then he must be lying about being Ferengi and could potentially be scum; however, (short of taking the mod's words to heart) I can't 100% say that a Ferengi role exists that survives without latnium.
As for why I'm saying this now -- well, like I said I've been following but not actively participating.
Aside from my own issues that have plagued me, I have somewhat kept up with the connections others are drawing along with targets claimed with abilities here and there (or roles). Like, for example, Wheat claiming KJ is a mason with him and clearing KJ as town.
As for where I currently stand (without having refreshed myself on who has claimed what and targeted who), I still don't care if Tom lives or dies (I don't recall seeing anyone shot recently). I do think Shock would make a great target either for your bullet (Half) or by the town lynching him. I think someone was trying/did clear DotA as town, but I'm not up to date as to why (and I'm honeslty still biased against DotA's actions D1 -- her/his inaction D2 says nothing else -- Chandra replaced DotA I believe?). Um, Brin is a top suspect to me based purely on a combination of gut reaction to the info I received and what Brin claimed. Brin has, from what I recall of his posts, helpful in terms of participating in discussions which gives me pause (aside from outguessing the mod) about think Brin is full on scum. I would cry if Brin got lynched, but barring that it would be a great idea to keep an eye on Brin.
As of this post I haven't reread anything in the last 36 hours. I'll make an effort cover posts I missed in that time period, but what would greatly help me is a list of who claimed what and targeted who because that's the main thing that usually stopped me when I was catching up.
If any particular questions, please @me in color so I can focus on it.
I'd like to apologize to everybody, mod(s) and fellow players, on my extended absence without warning. I never thought an Olympiad would be THIS crazy, ffs.
I'm here and I'm catching up right now. I'll give my thoughts on the gamestate in a few minutes.
1) Half-Time should shoot either Shock (dislike) or CFC (please do). Alternatively, he should shoot anyone not named Kosa, Cyt, W_G or KJ before Twilight.
2) I really believe we should massclaim at this point. Anyone disagreeing, please tell me why you do so.
* Cythare bats herself in the face and looks at Kosakosa, then looks at Wheat_Grinder, then at Killjoy, and starts to **** her head, continuing to do so until she falls over sideways. *
@Cyt: At first I thought they could be trying a gambit, but it's not past Annorax to do both. I know I would. Since I'm Borg, that's also the perfect excuse to punish town for attempting to (flavor)game the mod.
@KingofDominara:
N1:
Silvercrys3467 roleblocked Rhand/CitricBase.
Rhand/Citricbase used no abilities.
Half_Time determined Silvercrys3467 is not a Borg.
Kosakosa failed to "assimilate" Cythare.
Brinatoo targeted [unknown] with an ability that determines their latinum count.
Brinatoo's ability was redirected to DoTArchon.
DoTA used an ability that caused his latinum count to move from 2 to 3.
KingofDominara Name Copped + Roleblocked TappingStones.
N2:
Silvercrys3467 roleblocked DoTArchon.
Brinatoo name copped DoTArchon.
KingofDominaria used an ability to doctor Ferengi with 0 latinum on Mindreaver.
Half_Time acquired a one shot day vig.
24/7:
Cythare is a cat and cannot be assimilated by the Borg.
Rhand/Citricbase is vanilla?
Wheat_Grinder and Killjoy are masons.
Shockwave and Necarg/Zinger2099 have posting restrictions.
This is totally from memory so I might have missed or forgotten something, sorry.
@Chandra'sFieryCat:
Not sure if you've tried this yet, but if you don't know what DoTA did with his night actions you can PM the mod and ask them.
@everyone:
I'm reevaluating based on KoD's new info. Still wouldn't mind if Shockwave and CFC died toDay. Possibly willing to put Brinatoo in contention but I'll need time to iso him and make up my mind.
@Half:I kinda caught up about 2 days ago, but I've neglected to really talk due to a combination of being thoroughly distracted with other games (non-mafia) as well as trying to figure out how to approach today.
The non-mafia distraction stuff isn't a big deal. I can easily catch up. What's bothering me, and has been for multiple days which has delayed me, is Brin. Let me explain. Out of everything that has been said by Brin, the only thing that stood out to me was his claim about how he doesn't die if he uses up all his latnium (or however it is spelled). The reason I've been bothered by this (and another factor in my silence for today) is because of my last ability. Now, I'm kinda sorta trending into outguess the mod territory (yet another reason for my hesitance). My last ability (which I used) would have depleted a target's latnium by 2 and prevented their death from not having any latnium left as well as causing them to lose all abilities and properties related to being a Ferengi. I, quite literally, used the ability at the last moment on Mindreaver last night after I had some thing clarified to me via asking the mod. It was clarified to me that, given how the ability is worded, it wouldn't prevent any death, just a death resulting from a person (a Ferengi) no longer having any more latnium. Second, it was stated to me that death from no longer having latnium is a state-based effect for *latnium users*.
To repeat concisely, my issue is three-fold. I targeted Mind last night with my ability, it was confirmed to me that death is a state-based effect for latnium users with no more latnium, and Brin has claimed he doesn't die from having no more latnium. The first is an issue for me because he died last night, but it ties into my ability and what was clarified to me which connects to what Brin has stated. The last is outguessing the mod. My honest gut reaction is that if Brin doesn't die from having no latnium, then he must be lying about being Ferengi and could potentially be scum; however, (short of taking the mod's words to heart) I can't 100% say that a Ferengi role exists that survives without latnium.
As for why I'm saying this now -- well, like I said I've been following but not actively participating.
Aside from my own issues that have plagued me, I have somewhat kept up with the connections others are drawing along with targets claimed with abilities here and there (or roles). Like, for example, Wheat claiming KJ is a mason with him and clearing KJ as town.
As for where I currently stand (without having refreshed myself on who has claimed what and targeted who), I still don't care if Tom lives or dies (I don't recall seeing anyone shot recently). I do think Shock would make a great target either for your bullet (Half) or by the town lynching him. I think someone was trying/did clear DotA as town, but I'm not up to date as to why (and I'm honeslty still biased against DotA's actions D1 -- her/his inaction D2 says nothing else -- Chandra replaced DotA I believe?). Um, Brin is a top suspect to me based purely on a combination of gut reaction to the info I received and what Brin claimed. Brin has, from what I recall of his posts, helpful in terms of participating in discussions which gives me pause (aside from outguessing the mod) about think Brin is full on scum. I would cry if Brin got lynched, but barring that it would be a great idea to keep an eye on Brin.
As of this post I haven't reread anything in the last 36 hours. I'll make an effort cover posts I missed in that time period, but what would greatly help me is a list of who claimed what and targeted who because that's the main thing that usually stopped me when I was catching up.
If any particular questions, please @me in color so I can focus on it.
You could have.... brought this up like a normal person.... instead of waiting until a 3 day deadline was imposed. It's troubling to think you'd wait this long just to throw shade on a mechanic that you clearly are making bogus assumptions at. Sir Chris probably had a different mechanic too for losing the latinum fwiw but we don't have that knowledge to stomp your bull***** theory. I don't know where you got the idea someone was trying to clear DoT as town.... WTF is going on dude. Are you seriously going to claim a latinum ability and not know how to spell the ******* word? gtfo with your bull***** modgaming before you get sucked into its void. Let me know when you decide to actually start playing again instead of stuff like this.
Also Chandra is useless to me now, nor do I care to hear what abilities DoT used at this point if they refuse to acknowledge my claim that the latinum changed and thus something was done. I can't put them on a shinier silver platter.
I'll lynch HT if he refuses to shoot before that deadline. No town should stall and miss out on a dayvig with a deadline imminent. I'm awaiting your change to the situation.
Silver, his latinum was 2 at the end of Night 1 and 3 at the end of Night 2. I think I talked about when the ability resolves the information with Anno at some point. So the Night that an ability/something was confirmed to happen would have been Night 2. I'm not aware of what would have happened N1 because I didn't have that baseline. And I doubt the mods would have left out the information that DoT had. That is inherently bastardly to do something like that.
[b @Chandra'sFieryCat:
Not sure if you've tried this yet, but if you don't know what DoTA did with his night actions you can PM the mod and ask them.
I didn't know. I'l ask rax. I assumed he didn't use it or I'm not suppose to know for some reason. Hopefully he'll have that info for me. I want to know myself.
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I set fire, to the rain.
And pretty much everything else.
* Cythare stretches and begins to pace around, then claws at Shockwave.
[b]Vote Shockwave[/c]
She then takes a small whip in her mouth, runs over to Half_Time, and begins to thrash around wildly, the whip hitting a combination of herself, Half_Time, and the ground in her frenzy. *
i softed several times, and i have my reasons. and you cant really know them without knowing my role.
but ignoring that, why was it anti town? youve said it a couple times, but i have no idea why you think that.
ive accepted that you read my IDGAFness as neutral-ish or whatever.
its dumb, but i follow it.
but that part makes no sense to me.
ELI5 i guess.
halftime doesnt have a vig shot.
just throwing it out there.
for reasons.
How likely do you think it is H_T doesn't have the vig shot?
i dont know the odds, cuz i dont know halftime.
i need to read another game or two on NGA
but they arent 0
I just wonder the odds of Annorax giving the role Annorax a similar set of powers...
It's not founded on much, but it could explain why Tom's posts just feel a little off for a town mindset.
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Silver: KJ, DoT 1910
KoD: DoT 1911
Brin: DoT 1913, 2048
WG: Shock, DoT, HT 1932, 2009
Cyth: Shock 1947
Zinger: Lurkers 1975, 2039
tom: ??????
Kosa: ?????????
Killjoy: ????????
Citric: ????????
Chandra: ???????
Shock: ????????
?????????? = Missed opinion or hasn't given a preference
Shock(2): WG, Cyth
tom(1): DV
Silver(1): DV
KJ(1): Silver
HT(1): WG w/ CG
Lurkers(1): Zinger
Notes: I doubt Silver still advocates for KJ after mason claim otherwise wut? tom has insinuated/is hesitant on DoT shot. Kosa barns WG posts/potentially the shots? KJ gets a pass for now for being tied to WG but he should atleast pipe in on his partners vig ideas... The others have been unimpressive/fencesitting on the subject and done nothing.
Indifference Kill:
KoD: tom 1911
Others might be here concerning tom but it's the only one I saw/cared to look for since he gave his other preferences for actual shots.
I'll PBPA DoT tomorrow. FWIW HT, the ones who are more interested in personas being vigged have offered their opinion and some their take on interactions etc. We've talked about the meta of shooting lurky members as a means of scumhunting/getting rid of people that shouldn't do so regardless of alignment. We've offered opinions on what would be the best play. You should know that, if you are town, that owning a dayvig and claiming such would give us no reason to doubt you. Other explanations of a different situation are bad. You should be aware of what the consequences of lying about something like that would be. LAL.
And I wouldn't say that we've stopped hunting for scum. The thread has come to a grind because A. A day-vig should happen before a lynch happens(normally the votes reset after it's done so that's another thing that makes voting useless for now) B. the non-lurkers have offered their opinion on it and given content that is enough... and the others are either ignorant/afraid of offering a stance on anything. C. Chandra hasn't paid attention to anything me/Silver has been asking concerning the role... which is stopping our investigation for night targets and I feel others are curious of it too. I was hoping one of the lurkers would get their ass onto a case of someone(even DoT) but clearly they want to wait for a vig.... They had their chance to make me feel better but I've lost my patience and I'd vig the lot of them and move on given the chance. Except KJ for obvireasons.
Thoughts? Or are you just waiting on effort that probably won't ever happen from the lurkers?
I married the wrong guy.
Also, correction for Brinatoo: I think Shockwave is far and away the best player to shoot. I'd rather pull Dota off the list of people I endorse to vig.
Keep HT on though. CG. Coconut gun. Shoot yourself with a coconut gun.
And... Got the DK rap stuck in my head.
@Tom: the pic in 2111 didn't come through for me. So whatever is there I have no clue.
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if it shoots you
it's gonna fire in spurts
and i hope HT does shoot you.
Brinatoo: Yeah, I wouldn't vig KJ now. I think Chandra and KJ are the only ones lurking now, though. Would prefer a wagon on Shockwave.... Hrm. Actually. Put me in the idgaf pile on the day vig (if it even exists) at this point. I'd support a vig of any null just to narrow PoE and get the game moving again, though I'd prefer Chandra for [reasons].
Tom: apparently Annorax likes to put himself in the game as a role or something and Shockwave is wondering if it's you since you claimed "not Ferengi Planeswalker." It's an interesting idea with some merit.
Shockwave: Tom posted a meme that says "What?"
I'll do my read later tonight. I put an avatar up like asked.
As for my role, I thought that was what the mass claim thing was for which isn't happening yet. My posting was me and not anything to do with my role or my posting restrictions. I was in a certain mood that night.
And pretty much everything else.
@Chandra: I think the only question I have for you right now is: is this your first game of Mafia? Or have you played elsewhere/are you a gimmick? I either don't know about or have forgotten the questions Brinatoo is talking about.
@Brinatoo: I'm not on board with lynching people just for lying. Town lies for various reasons and I can think of several good reasons for town to lie about having a vig shot and about zero reasons for scum to... especially since we'll end up looking at him real closely if he never uses it but insists on having it.
Mmm. I think that's everything I missed in my post earlier that I care to comment on, at least until something interesting happens.
And pretty much everything else.
If you want to be **** buddies now, I'm down.
I'm really struggling to get my head into this game. I think it's partly because how long each page is. Need to go adjust those settings so the pages don't go on forever. Yeeesh.
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kill the vig
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So essentially a bunch of fencesitting and things to appear to be looking like working. It's kind of stupid to think a town!version of him wouldn't find ways to scumhunt instead of *ah shoot everyone's asking the questions that I was gonna ask* What a load of garbage. No motivation to think of anything? Yea right. I especially don't like his agreement on jd's #41 about being self-aware then scumreading him later for Mind's points... And confusing Sir Chris for clearing Shockwave for a no lynch post that Silver did is a thing.
I find it likely that DoT's motivation was more leaning on spreading suspicion on Chris rather than actually paying attention to the situation. Mind brings up that he didn't think anything he brought up was anything worth barning over. Then DoT procedes to not explain anything of why he barnacled onto it, just requoted it.... Appearing to be working again. And to prodvote colmon for something that he is also guilty of is bad.
TL;DR: Shoot DoT/Chandra please. Chandra: You have exactly one more post to answer My/Silver's questions that we've brought up many times. I'm not going to help you find them because you've gotta work for it. If you fail to do so AGAIN, I will do everything in my power to see that you are Dead by the end of the Day. Better hurry up with your fakeclaim. vote Chandra's Fiery Cat /in before potential reset by potential dayvig :/
@Silver: While people would try to lynch for something like that, I would no matter would at a bare minimum have less trust in him. A dayvig is something that is absolute and immediately confirmable. If someone is prepared to fake something like this, they should be aware of the circumstance that they can't prove it and will be lying about it. Upsides to it? Literally just discussion surrounding it? That's the point of wagons.... Seems like a big waste of time that could be used on a wagon instead.
I was asked whether I had any information from the person I replaced. There is nothing there about use of his abilities. I'm not sure he used them or anything.
For mass claiming, I am neither for or against it right now. From my limited understanding, mass claiming is only good in helping scum know who to kill. It doesn't seem likely that scum would be stupid enough or that that rax would make it easy to catch scum like that. If there is another hidden question somewhere, at least point me to the page because it is not showing up for me. If you are asking me to answer for my predecessors, sorry, but that is one trick I can't do.
Tom is still my number one pick so far as scum. I need to read up some more, but some people are really riding my butt over minor things. I don't mind someone riding me (or me riding them), but at least buy me a drink first. :3
And pretty much everything else.
And pretty much everything else.
@brin (and I suppose silver by extension of agreeing with all that), if you can't see why people would react differently to a looming kill than a potential wagon that would have to garner support I don't really know what to tell you. They are different beasts and garner different reactions. To claim they are the same is to only utilize half of the power of a day kill.
@chandy, it's still stupid for anybody to be waiting around on me. Frankly saying you (the general you) are waiting for me is rather scummy as that means you aren't doing anything else. It makes no sense as town to rush a kill. It makes no sense as town to do nothing because a kill might be coming. Yet a handful of players are content to do both. Some are content to do nothing at all in the meantime and are safely hidden doing so since the first handful are too busy sitting on their thumbs to notice. Still others are doing something still, but they can only do so much until those that are content to stall the game out do so.
No, I will shoot in my own time and for my own reasons. Anybody that stops scum hunting or tries to stall the game out because I haven't shot yet will just look worse in my eyes.
@KoD, you done reading yet bro?
Other than that, yes, you're absolutely correct that the reactions around a looming kill are different from the interactions around a wagon. I happen to think a wagon is more useful on scum reads than an announced vig shot, but I think you and I have already discussed this at length and I'm fine with you shooting who you want when you want.
I find it telling that you go back to your sexual shenanigan crap after the fact of persecution. AKA your scumbuddies in daychat want you to continue to do it to play off as "just my language herp derp."
For you to pick out tom, out of everyone in the thread during a read of everything that has happened, whilst OVERLOOKING my/silver's questions, ESPECIALLY that he was on HT's vig radar, is super convenient/suspect. And now, you are continuing to barn others and hop on HT for holding out. Get dead.
*does nothing*
DV calls HT scum all yesterday. No you wrong luwl.
Now, lets lynch HT luwl.
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I don't know what he did. I would like to know myself. I never overlooked your question. You don't believe my answer. There's a big difference. I went after Tom's post because that struck me the most odd and no one else mentioned. I didn't want to parrot what others said and I wanted to contribute to the game.
I like being playful sexual because it livens up the mood. Its not a fun if we all are being super serious and not having fun.
For the record, I never said I was waiting on you, just that others are and your stalling is making you look like like you are not telling the truth about the vig thing. I rather us scum hunt if you aren't going to use your ability.
Shockwave: all he does is just post random musings and barn what others say. Not ready to call scum, but is certainty not acting town.
Brinatoo: aside from his ravings that I am lying, he is clearly trying to get the bottom of what he thinks is a hunch. He is leaning town to me.
silver: is giving me a null read. I'm not getting anything really scummy, but nothing townie either.
I need to go over the earlier posts.
And pretty much everything else.
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I kinda caught up about 2 days ago, but I've neglected to really talk due to a combination of being thoroughly distracted with other games (non-mafia) as well as trying to figure out how to approach today.
The non-mafia distraction stuff isn't a big deal. I can easily catch up. What's bothering me, and has been for multiple days which has delayed me, is Brin. Let me explain. Out of everything that has been said by Brin, the only thing that stood out to me was his claim about how he doesn't die if he uses up all his latnium (or however it is spelled). The reason I've been bothered by this (and another factor in my silence for today) is because of my last ability. Now, I'm kinda sorta trending into outguess the mod territory (yet another reason for my hesitance). My last ability (which I used) would have depleted a target's latnium by 2 and prevented their death from not having any latnium left as well as causing them to lose all abilities and properties related to being a Ferengi. I, quite literally, used the ability at the last moment on Mindreaver last night after I had some thing clarified to me via asking the mod. It was clarified to me that, given how the ability is worded, it wouldn't prevent any death, just a death resulting from a person (a Ferengi) no longer having any more latnium. Second, it was stated to me that death from no longer having latnium is a state-based effect for *latnium users*.
To repeat concisely, my issue is three-fold. I targeted Mind last night with my ability, it was confirmed to me that death is a state-based effect for latnium users with no more latnium, and Brin has claimed he doesn't die from having no more latnium. The first is an issue for me because he died last night, but it ties into my ability and what was clarified to me which connects to what Brin has stated. The last is outguessing the mod. My honest gut reaction is that if Brin doesn't die from having no latnium, then he must be lying about being Ferengi and could potentially be scum; however, (short of taking the mod's words to heart) I can't 100% say that a Ferengi role exists that survives without latnium.
As for why I'm saying this now -- well, like I said I've been following but not actively participating.
Aside from my own issues that have plagued me, I have somewhat kept up with the connections others are drawing along with targets claimed with abilities here and there (or roles). Like, for example, Wheat claiming KJ is a mason with him and clearing KJ as town.
As for where I currently stand (without having refreshed myself on who has claimed what and targeted who), I still don't care if Tom lives or dies (I don't recall seeing anyone shot recently). I do think Shock would make a great target either for your bullet (Half) or by the town lynching him. I think someone was trying/did clear DotA as town, but I'm not up to date as to why (and I'm honeslty still biased against DotA's actions D1 -- her/his inaction D2 says nothing else -- Chandra replaced DotA I believe?). Um, Brin is a top suspect to me based purely on a combination of gut reaction to the info I received and what Brin claimed. Brin has, from what I recall of his posts, helpful in terms of participating in discussions which gives me pause (aside from outguessing the mod) about think Brin is full on scum. I would cry if Brin got lynched, but barring that it would be a great idea to keep an eye on Brin.
As of this post I haven't reread anything in the last 36 hours. I'll make an effort cover posts I missed in that time period, but what would greatly help me is a list of who claimed what and targeted who because that's the main thing that usually stopped me when I was catching up.
If any particular questions, please @me in color so I can focus on it.
I LIVE AGAIN
*huffs and puffs*
I'd like to apologize to everybody, mod(s) and fellow players, on my extended absence without warning. I never thought an Olympiad would be THIS crazy, ffs.
I'm here and I'm catching up right now. I'll give my thoughts on the gamestate in a few minutes.
Vote Chandra's Fiery Cat
Two things to note:
1) Half-Time should shoot either Shock (dislike) or CFC (please do). Alternatively, he should shoot anyone not named Kosa, Cyt, W_G or KJ before Twilight.
2) I really believe we should massclaim at this point. Anyone disagreeing, please tell me why you do so.
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N1:
Silvercrys3467 roleblocked Rhand/CitricBase.
Rhand/Citricbase used no abilities.
Half_Time determined Silvercrys3467 is not a Borg.
Kosakosa failed to "assimilate" Cythare.
Brinatoo targeted [unknown] with an ability that determines their latinum count.
Brinatoo's ability was redirected to DoTArchon.
DoTA used an ability that caused his latinum count to move from 2 to 3.
KingofDominara Name Copped + Roleblocked TappingStones.
N2:
Silvercrys3467 roleblocked DoTArchon.
Brinatoo name copped DoTArchon.
KingofDominaria used an ability to doctor Ferengi with 0 latinum on Mindreaver.
Half_Time acquired a one shot day vig.
24/7:
Cythare is a cat and cannot be assimilated by the Borg.
Rhand/Citricbase is vanilla?
Wheat_Grinder and Killjoy are masons.
Shockwave and Necarg/Zinger2099 have posting restrictions.
This is totally from memory so I might have missed or forgotten something, sorry.
@Chandra'sFieryCat:
Not sure if you've tried this yet, but if you don't know what DoTA did with his night actions you can PM the mod and ask them.
@everyone:
I'm reevaluating based on KoD's new info. Still wouldn't mind if Shockwave and CFC died toDay. Possibly willing to put Brinatoo in contention but I'll need time to iso him and make up my mind.
Also Chandra is useless to me now, nor do I care to hear what abilities DoT used at this point if they refuse to acknowledge my claim that the latinum changed and thus something was done. I can't put them on a shinier silver platter.
I'll lynch HT if he refuses to shoot before that deadline. No town should stall and miss out on a dayvig with a deadline imminent. I'm awaiting your change to the situation.
I didn't know. I'l ask rax. I assumed he didn't use it or I'm not suppose to know for some reason. Hopefully he'll have that info for me. I want to know myself.
And pretty much everything else.
[b]Vote Shockwave[/c]
She then takes a small whip in her mouth, runs over to Half_Time, and begins to thrash around wildly, the whip hitting a combination of herself, Half_Time, and the ground in her frenzy. *
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