Silver, his latinum was 2 at the end of Night 1 and 3 at the end of Night 2. I think I talked about when the ability resolves the information with Anno at some point. So the Night that an ability/something was confirmed to happen would have been Night 2. I'm not aware of what would have happened N1 because I didn't have that baseline. And I doubt the mods would have left out the information that DoT had. That is inherently bastardly to do something like that.
Well, Citric said he had to ask explicitly and was told nothing happened, so...
As for the other stuff, you're saying you got the name and latinum count on N2? Hmm.
Silver, his latinum was 2 at the end of Night 1 and 3 at the end of Night 2. I think I talked about when the ability resolves the information with Anno at some point. So the Night that an ability/something was confirmed to happen would have been Night 2. I'm not aware of what would have happened N1 because I didn't have that baseline. And I doubt the mods would have left out the information that DoT had. That is inherently bastardly to do something like that.
Well, Citric said he had to ask explicitly and was told nothing happened, so...
As for the other stuff, you're saying you got the name and latinum count on N2? Hmm.
Role Name and Name, both yes.
And I've never seen flavor given to someone that's been roleblocked if they have nothing that could be roleblocked ie no Night Action. Seems too confirmable.
Sure, but if what you're saying is true I think Anno would have volunteered to Citric that nothing happened to him N1. I get the feeling that they just received a role PM copy/paste and not the whole PM thread from their predecessors.
Regardless, since CFC said she hadn't asked yet, I'm willing to wait a bit longer. We've got some time before the deadline.
Sure. Quick correction though, apparently Brinatoo didn't claim what he did to DoTA exactly on N1 other than find out he had Latinum/was a Ferengi so we don't know what DoTA's latinum count was on N1. On N2 it went from 2 to 3 and Brinatoo found out his role and name.
Sure, but if what you're saying is true I think Anno would have volunteered to Citric that nothing happened to him N1. I get the feeling that they just received a role PM copy/paste and not the whole PM thread from their predecessors.
Regardless, since CFC said she hadn't asked yet, I'm willing to wait a bit longer. We've got some time before the deadline.
Again... That isn't fair to the replacement. If no results happened then it wouldn't necessarily be needed to explain that nothing happened... Again falling back to if someone was roleblocked but no abilities were used anyway so there was nothing to roleblock in the first place. This is starting to sound like Schrodinger's Cat Theory. If something did happen during the Nights, which again I can confirm happened N2 for Chandra with latinum increasing, then something would be explained. But she's kindly disregarding my statements on the subject hence why I don't care what she claims anymore.
Wrt to your immediate post after mine,I'd first like to point out to you that my not knowing how to spell the word hardly matters. With that out of the way, I will note to you that I am playing the game. Not as actively ad I could, but that's hardly the point. I've already made a note on how what I stated treds out guessing the mod, but what you stated directly contradicts what I was informed and what was claimed by another player that is Ferengi and has such a state based effect. Like I've said, I don't know if that makes you scum, but it honestly does warrant skepticism whether you like it or not.
It's not about what's fair, maybe it slipped his mind or he expected her to ask. I don't know what she was actually told - if she says she wasn't told his night actions and hasn't thought to ask, well, I'm willing to wait for her to get an answer. If she "doesn't get one," I'm still fine with lynching her or Shockwave. Actually, I kind of want to lynch her instead of Shockwave since my other ability won't work on her, to be honest. Assuming H_T won't shoot her that is.
Probably won't get to that iso any time soon, though if someone else wants to make it a PBPA be my guest....
Please refrain from voting Shock until we have a votecount or HT shoots, whichever comes first.
* Cythare removes all of the sticks she previously placed, then puts two sticks in front of Shockwave, three sticks in front of Chandra's Fiery Cat, two sticks in front of Half_Time, and one stick in front of Wheat_Grinder. *
What Brin said about roleblockibg is true to my knowledge. It was confirmed to me that my roleblockibg of TS was successful, but, when I asked, I was told there is no way to know if he used an ability or not. I imagine it would be the same for other roleblocks.
Wrt to your immediate post after mine,I'd first like to point out to you that my not knowing how to spell the word hardly matters. With that out of the way, I will note to you that I am playing the game. Not as actively ad I could, but that's hardly the point. I've already made a note on how what I stated treds out guessing the mod, but what you stated directly contradicts what I was informed and what was claimed by another player that is Ferengi and has such a state based effect. Like I've said, I don't know if that makes you scum, but it honestly does warrant skepticism whether you like it or not.
Still reading and have more to say.
Fine, whatever keep up your potential town paranoia. But I just find it weird if you have an ability concerning latinum then that you'll even talk about not knowing having to spell it/seen it plentiful times. FWIW before I forgot to claim my last bit of information and set other things in motion, this is a good segway. If I should ever die from this point on, and Kosa continues to live AND no one has no idea what I'm talking about. Even Day 4 without anyone aware/willing to claim it, know that that is SUPER suspicious. No further questions concerning this.
What Brin said about roleblockibg is true to my knowledge. It was confirmed to me that my roleblockibg of TS was successful, but, when I asked, I was told there is no way to know if he used an ability or not. I imagine it would be the same for other roleblocks.
Welp, let's just jump right into the modgaming rabbit hole, shall we? We're half in already. I received different messages when I roleblocked apparently vanilla Rhand and Ferengi DoTA/CFC.
But what we were talking about was whether or not CFC would have gotten a message from Annorax saying she was roleblocked and what actions DoTA used on N1 and N2. Brinatoo's position is that it should have already been given to her. My position is that even if it should have been it may not have been and I'm willing to wait for her to get a message back from the mods if she's saying it wasn't.
But really, we should just stop because we're getting awfully close to the line of "quoting PMs/mod communications" here and I'd rather not have modkills.
As long as you don't quote, there shouldn't be a problem. That being said, given what occurred with TS, ID assume the blocked person would not be informed of being blocked.
Now, as far as role blocks go, I did get a message. That it was successful. If you guys have different types of roleblocks I could understand getting different messages, but ultimately all of us should be made aware of our success in getting our abilities through, unless it failed.
Concerning CFC specifically, that's eh. I would agree with Brin that CFC would have been given information relative to his role (what his slot did prior to him coming in). CFC could be faking about results. Ultimately there is only one way to know via CFC dying and seeing his alignment.
@wheat, HT doesn't need to do anything. If HT doesn't shoot the only thing that happens is town gains more time to get things right. As self proclaimed town I can see why you'd have a problem with that. *drips sarcasm all over the carpet*
@KoD, I expected you to be done reading. But the silence speaks of negative things. Like poke balls replacing your brain lobes. As for your finds I think I spoke on the grand nagus earlier as a potential role that would differ from your basic ***** ferengi (no offense ferengi roled people). I think it might have been silver that mentioned Rom too, who has always been a bit of an oddball for ferengi. I don't think that aspect of his claim is really alignment indicative, although Brin does seem slightly over defensive about it.
@Brin, despite you saying no further questions I'm having a hard time just reading your last post so a simple yes or no will suffice, you were saying it'd be suspicious for Kosa to be alive on Day 4 with you dead, yes?
For the reasons I cased yesterday that are only further perpetuated today, specifically where he put effort in only because of the metaphorical gun to his head, Imma
vote: Tomsloger
On a side note I keep wanting to call him lager instead. Guess we know who's been thinking about beer o'clock lately.
KJ is behind the idea of a tom kill based on our mason chat.
I married the wrong guy.
Also, correction for Brinatoo: I think Shockwave is far and away the best player to shoot. I'd rather pull Dota off the list of people I endorse to vig.
Keep HT on though. CG. Coconut gun. Shoot yourself with a coconut gun.
I actually don't want HT to shoot tom. I'm just paranoid.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So that's.... extremely bizarre. Especially considering it would have literally killed me dead if I had done what I said I was going to do yesterDay. Hrm.
@Chandra'sFieryCat:
Just to be clear, DoTA's ability actually took a latinum from me? Through the roleblock?
Or we just confirmed unblockable latinum stealer. Yea super suspect. There's probably more specifics Chandra isn't willing to claim that would help solve the game for us. I don't know what more of a lead we would need to tempt a dayvig... unless it really was a ruse. If HT doesn't shoot toDay and still denies having lied about it in the first place, I'll agree to a lynch. idc at this point, a lurker should have been shot a long ass time ago. I dislike his approach to said ability in the event it's true. Heck, here's 4 basic scenarios:
1) HT is town, has the dayvig and doing something I completely disagree with for taking it into another Night.
2) HT is town and decided to do a dumb gambit and still hasn't backed off it.
3) HT is scum, has the dayvig and doesn't want to shoot to draw this out and/or our recommended targets are his partners and he doesn't want that for his team whilst a lynch is possible. He can't shoot people out of the blue either cuz that's super suspect too. Imagine him shooting a claimed mason pair...
4) HT is scum and decided to do a dumb gambit and still hasn't backed off it.
And HT, just to explain one more time for everyone. It's specifically with the clause that noone knows wtf I'm talking about the next Day. It'll become obvious for X, X should totally claim what I'm talking about then. I swear this'll make sense.
Like I said, I had finished reading. It was just a combination of things distracting me and how I should approach today with what I know that resulted in me not being more here. As for all things Star Trek, I honestly and not a lore person with Star Trek. I like the shows, but I have maybe watched only 15-20% of the tv shows and barely any of the movies (and none of the books). Aside from his reaction to me when I made my post, Brin has been consistent at being helpful. I've got nothing aside from this outguess the mod stuff makes me even remotely suspicious of him (I consider flavor to be in the realm of outguessing the mod).
Other than that, if we're going to lynch Shock, then my vote is ready to be thrown on him.
Or DoTA since if I'm reading the exchange between Silver and Brin it seems like an ability CFC claims to have been used should have killed Silver but didn't or something. (DoTA/CFC)
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With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
The Prophet takes a deep breath and shouts, "All right, mortals, listen up! You heard Q! I want to see a body and you don't even have 48 of your hours to give it to me!"
Q appears in a flash of light and says, "Temper, temper, dear Prophet. You know how this is going to turn out." He lowers his voice and mutters, "Of course, I only have your word to go on there..." His voice picks up again as he continues, "You need patience, or whatever passes for it in nonlinear beings, my little avatar of id."
"Fine," the Prophet grumbles. She spins on her heel and storms out of the promenade with no additional theatrics, leaving the station's inhabitants to sort out each others' true allegiances. Q offers a wry smile as he snaps his fingers and vanishes in a flash of light along with the mystic lens filter.
@KoD the situation is that I said I was going to use a (-) latinum ability and if what CFC is saying is true DoTA would have killed me if I had. Instead I usef my (+) to roleblock him, which might have failed apparently even though I was told it succeeded, and now we're here.
I suppose there's not any reason to assume he would've known it would kill me, but it shouldn't have been hard to figure out given I told Mindreaver that his ability would.
I'm also wondering if I even lost latinum since I wasn't told such and I wonder if CFC isn't misinterpreting something. I've asked the mod to confirm my latinum count via pm so I'm waiting on that before I speculate further.
1) CFC was told DoTA targeted me and received 1 latinum because that's the activation cost and believed that latinum was taken from me for some reason.
2) Mod error when performing night actions: Brinatoo should receive a message correcting the latinum count he saw last Night.
3) ???
4) Profit.
So. I think I'd like CFC to full claim toDay (if we aren't mass claiming), whether that means running her up to claim range and then deciding whether to go through with the lynch or just asking nicely. I... hmm. We don't really have time to coordinate that, do we?
Alright. I think I want to lynch Shockwave for now and see what happens, unless we're mass claiming and someone's going to push for that and organize it fast (Deadline is in ~36 hours).
@Tom, that's a hard IDGAF what you and wheat want me to do with my kill. Frankly I see no reason to listen to anybody other than my town circle, which would only consist of cyth, but if shock is being lynched today anyway, there's no point in rushing things along. Shock can get lynched, we will see his plus the night flip(s) and have a better estimation of the game tomorrow.
@silver, concerning chandy and the latinum stuff, if your abilities work in function like toms as well as formatting, then it's possible you increased in latinum as well as chandy regardless of ability effect just as Tom claimed to increase on his ability that failed on you N1, no? If chandy's steal is a plus ability that would normally result in a +2 (one from ability use and one from ability resolution) then chandy increasing by one would explain increase while accounting for role block. Of course your latinum count should confirm or deny this theory.
@Brin, I am slightly entertaining the notion of killing one of the claimed masons. It's a fabulous claim for scum to hide behind and came at the same time people were calling for a day kill on the lurkers which would have put KJ in the firing line. Granted as actual masons wheats play would probably been exactly the same, but I find wheat and Tom's uber desire to eliminate each other for little to no reasons suspect enough to consider this a valid ploy. Shooting one of them (probably the less active KJ) and having a mason flip would do wonders for actually putting the other into the eliminated pile more so than Tom's assertions that wheat is definitely town because they agree on things and the notion that KJ has to be town because unconfirmed mason claim. Conversely a lack of mason flip would be a nail into the coffin of second scum if it is a ruse.
@Brin, I took the scum reads as being from Goose although I do not see how that translates to believing Goose took a shot at DotA and died for it.
@Silver, early yesterday you felt there wasn't enough information to decipher the night actions. What specifically about a TS or MR flip is pointing you towards what you're saying today?
On another note, confirming kosa is Borg. Not confirming town alignment.
* Cythare takes out a toy gun and places it in front of Half_Time, then pushes a house to Half_Time, then one to Kosakosa, then lays a string between them. She then places houses in front of Wheat_Grinder and Killjoy, then drags a waffle iron over to Half_Time. *
@cyth, I'm not sure what the waffle iron is. Not neighbors with kosa though. You could say I got the gun from kosa. I know kosa is Borg because I got the gun from kosa. This isn't guaranteed to be alignment indicative though, as a former Borg might present a false positive for those hunting Borg. I'm not hard town reading kosa partly because I can't call it either way without straight up guessing. Behavior wise day 1 kosa seemed pretty toasty to me. The Borg claim was a WIFOMish wash, and while I don't really like how kosa stepped way back after the spotlight shifted, it's not really smoking gun on kosa not being town either. As for wheat and KJ, I've seen more than my fair share of mason fake claims by scum. It really doesn't buy any leeway with me until a point that it's proven (either by death of one of them or confirmed cop clearance).
* Cythare looks at Half_Time, rolls a blue ball from him to Kosakosa, and puts one stick down in front of Half_Time, then cocks her head. She then steps away from Half_Time and rolls a blue ball from herself to Kosakosa and lays two sticks down in front of herself. *
I'm not sure if that post was in the same sequence, but didn't kosa claim to try to target you ala networker cyth? Could explain the yeping on the houses.
So are the slanted eyes meaning you were considering scum networker but subsequent blue ball rolled in the following post means you decided against it?
On my part in that post I'm not too good at the stick part. I read through the horizontal vs vertical stuff, since direction isn't mentioned I assume it's just interaction in general? I'd say cyan ball is probably more appropriate for my kosa read though. I don't really see anything to make me believe kosa is Borg cult over Borg species in general. Kosa's behavior looked at alone balances out to somewhere around cyan.
As for the other stuff, you're saying you got the name and latinum count on N2? Hmm.
K, Time to watch Newbee v. Liquid.
And I've never seen flavor given to someone that's been roleblocked if they have nothing that could be roleblocked ie no Night Action. Seems too confirmable.
Regardless, since CFC said she hadn't asked yet, I'm willing to wait a bit longer. We've got some time before the deadline.
Wrt to your immediate post after mine,I'd first like to point out to you that my not knowing how to spell the word hardly matters. With that out of the way, I will note to you that I am playing the game. Not as actively ad I could, but that's hardly the point. I've already made a note on how what I stated treds out guessing the mod, but what you stated directly contradicts what I was informed and what was claimed by another player that is Ferengi and has such a state based effect. Like I've said, I don't know if that makes you scum, but it honestly does warrant skepticism whether you like it or not.
Still reading and have more to say.
It's not about what's fair, maybe it slipped his mind or he expected her to ask. I don't know what she was actually told - if she says she wasn't told his night actions and hasn't thought to ask, well, I'm willing to wait for her to get an answer. If she "doesn't get one," I'm still fine with lynching her or Shockwave. Actually, I kind of want to lynch her instead of Shockwave since my other ability won't work on her, to be honest. Assuming H_T won't shoot her that is.
Probably won't get to that iso any time soon, though if someone else wants to make it a PBPA be my guest....
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But what we were talking about was whether or not CFC would have gotten a message from Annorax saying she was roleblocked and what actions DoTA used on N1 and N2. Brinatoo's position is that it should have already been given to her. My position is that even if it should have been it may not have been and I'm willing to wait for her to get a message back from the mods if she's saying it wasn't.
Now, as far as role blocks go, I did get a message. That it was successful. If you guys have different types of roleblocks I could understand getting different messages, but ultimately all of us should be made aware of our success in getting our abilities through, unless it failed.
we're gonna lynch shock but ht needs to shoot already
On Night 1, he used his ability on Tomsloger and did't get any latinum.
On Night 2, he used his ability on Silvercrys and took a latinum from him.
I can't tell you why those people were targeted. That is what happened.
I wan to be a good girl. Unless you want me to be naughty. Meow?
And pretty much everything else.
stealing latinum is a scummy ass role though.
to add my actions:
n1 silver (ability countered)
n2 shockwave
@wheat, HT doesn't need to do anything. If HT doesn't shoot the only thing that happens is town gains more time to get things right. As self proclaimed town I can see why you'd have a problem with that. *drips sarcasm all over the carpet*
@KoD, I expected you to be done reading. But the silence speaks of negative things. Like poke balls replacing your brain lobes. As for your finds I think I spoke on the grand nagus earlier as a potential role that would differ from your basic ***** ferengi (no offense ferengi roled people). I think it might have been silver that mentioned Rom too, who has always been a bit of an oddball for ferengi. I don't think that aspect of his claim is really alignment indicative, although Brin does seem slightly over defensive about it.
@Brin, despite you saying no further questions I'm having a hard time just reading your last post so a simple yes or no will suffice, you were saying it'd be suspicious for Kosa to be alive on Day 4 with you dead, yes?
For the reasons I cased yesterday that are only further perpetuated today, specifically where he put effort in only because of the metaphorical gun to his head, Imma
vote: Tomsloger
On a side note I keep wanting to call him lager instead. Guess we know who's been thinking about beer o'clock lately.
I think I could get behind lynching Shock.
Didn't you claim to be close to your "Ultimate ability"?
Unvote Vote Tom
why?
Just to be clear, DoTA's ability actually took a latinum from me? Through the roleblock?
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1) HT is town, has the dayvig and doing something I completely disagree with for taking it into another Night.
2) HT is town and decided to do a dumb gambit and still hasn't backed off it.
3) HT is scum, has the dayvig and doesn't want to shoot to draw this out and/or our recommended targets are his partners and he doesn't want that for his team whilst a lynch is possible. He can't shoot people out of the blue either cuz that's super suspect too. Imagine him shooting a claimed mason pair...
4) HT is scum and decided to do a dumb gambit and still hasn't backed off it.
And HT, just to explain one more time for everyone. It's specifically with the clause that noone knows wtf I'm talking about the next Day. It'll become obvious for X, X should totally claim what I'm talking about then. I swear this'll make sense.
Like I said, I had finished reading. It was just a combination of things distracting me and how I should approach today with what I know that resulted in me not being more here. As for all things Star Trek, I honestly and not a lore person with Star Trek. I like the shows, but I have maybe watched only 15-20% of the tv shows and barely any of the movies (and none of the books). Aside from his reaction to me when I made my post, Brin has been consistent at being helpful. I've got nothing aside from this outguess the mod stuff makes me even remotely suspicious of him (I consider flavor to be in the realm of outguessing the mod).
Other than that, if we're going to lynch Shock, then my vote is ready to be thrown on him.
Or DoTA since if I'm reading the exchange between Silver and Brin it seems like an ability CFC claims to have been used should have killed Silver but didn't or something. (DoTA/CFC)
Votecount 3.1
Chandra's Fiery Cat (3): Shockwave07 (2005), Brinatoo (2126), Kosakosa (2143)
tomsloger (2): Half_Time (2175), D_V (2178)
Shockwave07 (2): Silvercrys3467 (1969), Cythare (2153)
Half_Time (2): tomsloger (2122), Wheat_Grinder (2125)
Not Voting: Killjoy, Chandra's Fiery Cat, Zinger2099, KingofDominaria, Citricbase
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
The Prophet takes a deep breath and shouts, "All right, mortals, listen up! You heard Q! I want to see a body and you don't even have 48 of your hours to give it to me!"
Q appears in a flash of light and says, "Temper, temper, dear Prophet. You know how this is going to turn out." He lowers his voice and mutters, "Of course, I only have your word to go on there..." His voice picks up again as he continues, "You need patience, or whatever passes for it in nonlinear beings, my little avatar of id."
"Fine," the Prophet grumbles. She spins on her heel and storms out of the promenade with no additional theatrics, leaving the station's inhabitants to sort out each others' true allegiances. Q offers a wry smile as he snaps his fingers and vanishes in a flash of light along with the mystic lens filter.
I suppose there's not any reason to assume he would've known it would kill me, but it shouldn't have been hard to figure out given I told Mindreaver that his ability would.
I'm also wondering if I even lost latinum since I wasn't told such and I wonder if CFC isn't misinterpreting something. I've asked the mod to confirm my latinum count via pm so I'm waiting on that before I speculate further.
And pretty much everything else.
1) CFC was told DoTA targeted me and received 1 latinum because that's the activation cost and believed that latinum was taken from me for some reason.
2) Mod error when performing night actions: Brinatoo should receive a message correcting the latinum count he saw last Night.
3) ???
4) Profit.
So. I think I'd like CFC to full claim toDay (if we aren't mass claiming), whether that means running her up to claim range and then deciding whether to go through with the lynch or just asking nicely. I... hmm. We don't really have time to coordinate that, do we?
Alright. I think I want to lynch Shockwave for now and see what happens, unless we're mass claiming and someone's going to push for that and organize it fast (Deadline is in ~36 hours).
@silver, concerning chandy and the latinum stuff, if your abilities work in function like toms as well as formatting, then it's possible you increased in latinum as well as chandy regardless of ability effect just as Tom claimed to increase on his ability that failed on you N1, no? If chandy's steal is a plus ability that would normally result in a +2 (one from ability use and one from ability resolution) then chandy increasing by one would explain increase while accounting for role block. Of course your latinum count should confirm or deny this theory.
@Brin, I am slightly entertaining the notion of killing one of the claimed masons. It's a fabulous claim for scum to hide behind and came at the same time people were calling for a day kill on the lurkers which would have put KJ in the firing line. Granted as actual masons wheats play would probably been exactly the same, but I find wheat and Tom's uber desire to eliminate each other for little to no reasons suspect enough to consider this a valid ploy. Shooting one of them (probably the less active KJ) and having a mason flip would do wonders for actually putting the other into the eliminated pile more so than Tom's assertions that wheat is definitely town because they agree on things and the notion that KJ has to be town because unconfirmed mason claim. Conversely a lack of mason flip would be a nail into the coffin of second scum if it is a ruse.
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I DID NOT give any weapons to anyone. I don't have that skill.
I've never targeted HT with anything.
On my part in that post I'm not too good at the stick part. I read through the horizontal vs vertical stuff, since direction isn't mentioned I assume it's just interaction in general? I'd say cyan ball is probably more appropriate for my kosa read though. I don't really see anything to make me believe kosa is Borg cult over Borg species in general. Kosa's behavior looked at alone balances out to somewhere around cyan.