Also also I've been thinking about being shady as **** and just offing Tom today. At the start of day I was informed I gained a day kill today. My natural inclination is to use it to take out Tom since I think it's likely he's neutral with an SK lean as I cased yesterday. But instead I suppose I'll pose the following two questions:
@Brin, is this one of the things you were waiting to see if people spoke on?
@everybody, do you see a reason not to kill Tom in this manner? Question open to Tom as well.
Well, I'm town.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
Well, I'm town.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
This is an excellent kill.
I don't trust tom at all.
And I've seen him use this gambit before.
Tom if you are town I'm going to be upset with you.
Well, I'm town.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
Also,
Did you really flame TS for what he did to the game.
@Half_Time:
The game will be even slower with Tom gone.
Joking. Well, it's true, but that's not a reason to keep him alive.
While there is a chance he's an SK, I would want to know what potentially happened to his kill last Night. Hmm...
I guess he might have no-killed to throw us off since a couple people were suspicious yesterDay? I also have reason to believe there's not an SK, though, but it falls within the realm of set-up/mod gaming so I don't think it's trustworthy.
Personally, I would vig in (Killjoy, DoTArchon) because one is likely scum and neither are talking so lynching them tells us almost nothing, but it's your shot so the decision is ultimately yours. I think Tom is an okay target because I can't really read him, but at least he's here and saying stuff.
@Half: I don't particularly care if you kill tom or not. My own personal preference would be to have DoTA killed given what has been stated previously during D1 about DoTA.
Other than that, where is your view sitting on me currently?
I admittedly jumped to that conclusion based solely on the fact that the phaser was missing. It made more sense to me that someone took his vig shot and used it on him or something like that. But like Tom said all we really know is that someone took his phaser and he died, and not necessarily in that order.
Well I'm more inclined to pay attention to flavor based on my role... You should have the second-most weight to my argument assuming your claim wasn't a lie.
I'm baffled by soggy pop tarts.
Also also I've been thinking about being shady as **** and just offing Tom today. At the start of day I was informed I gained a day kill today. My natural inclination is to use it to take out Tom since I think it's likely he's neutral with an SK lean as I cased yesterday. But instead I suppose I'll pose the following two questions:
@Brin, is this one of the things you were waiting to see if people spoke on?
@everybody, do you see a reason not to kill Tom in this manner? Question open to Tom as well.
This is actually not one of the things I was waiting on(mostly just curious if a kill was blocked), but I think it's a great way to test my lead.
Well, I'm town.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
I think you should only claim if HT gives you a one post notice and intends to fire at you. If it's as good as you say it is, otherwise you would be doing exactly as TS did and trying to draw a NK as town, and if not town we got you on record for lying. Anyways on to the good stuff...
Now that we have a Daykill we have a potential to test my flavor-cop lead. I targeted DoT last Night and got a return that he is Brunt, FCA Liquidator and has 3 latinum. Since it is a flavor-cop, I don't know his alignment but I think that a title like "Liquidator" is inherently anti-Ferengi. I think it's a safe assumption that a title like that is seeking out latinum and hoping to make Ferengi useless/dead. Silver has already claimed that Ferengi without latinum has drawbacks. I lose my abilities and can't vote, essentially becoming a stump. With Mindreaver's immediate death after claiming something latinum related and Sir Chris also being latinum-related, I think there is plenty of evidence of "Liquidation" present. @Silver: What is the rule/edition your role has if you have no latinum?
All of this coupled with other parts of my role- which I'm hesitant to claim because I think we gain more if I keep it a secret and have mafioso worry about what all I do or don't have. This should give my opinion on the matter HT, to answer your @everyone question.
Looking forward to everyone's opinion on my find. I'm also gonna go back through Day 2 to see who brought up Brunt(at least I'm pretty sure I remember someone brought up the character by flavor is a threat) Was that also you Silver?
Latinum abilities basically work like Planeswalkers. For example, I started with 2 bars of Latinum (Loyalty) and I have a (+) ability and two (-) abilities. If I have 0 Latinum when the lynch occurs or at daybreak, I will die. I'm saying this because:
@Mindreaver: If the other Latinum abilities work like mine, your ability is a threat to the scum that have them. They won't be able to use their abilities with impunity because you might target them and they'll die if they don't have twice as many points as they need to activate it. But, you can also accidentally boost them by doubling their Latinum if they use a + ability that night. I would prefer if you didn't target me toNight, but that's of course up to you. I'm going to use a (-) ability, so if you target me and don't tell me first I'll probably turn up dead. Except on the off chance that I get told I'm being affected, in which case I will obviously choose to not die. Sorry.
Also, I'm a Ferengi, so at least one of the scum is probably also a Ferengi since Fable knew about Latinum roles and I'm assuming the Latinum roles are tied to Ferengi characters.
I think he has a good explanation there too of why I think Mind was killed.
And yes, that was me, but I didn't say Brunt. Mindreaver said he had an ability that doubled the gains or losses of latinum over night and I told him it was a threat to Ferengi. At the time I thought it might be essentially a Ferengi vig if used at the right time - I guess it only kills me though, since you become a stump. Eh.
Hmm. And Sir Chris still had his latinum in the death scene, didn't he? So if DoTA's killing Ferengi to take their latinum or something, he couldn't have killed Sir Chris. SC had 4 bars in his pocket when he died.
Also, you're a Ferengi, Tom is soft-claiming one, DoTA is one, Sir Chris was one, I'm one. If that's all the Ferengi, one of us is probably scum. There's a ***** ton of Ferengi in DS9 but you can only cram so many into one game, right?
Fake edit: I see you quoted my post where I said I would die, but I'm just gonna leave my post as-is.
I do, including the "die when state-based actions are checked if at 0 loyalty" thing. Brinatoo apparently just loses his vote at 0 latinum. But other than what happens at zero loyalty, yeah, pluses and minuses and things.
Are you not charging an ult, then, or are you not a Ferengi and charging an ult some other way?
Not ferengi. My pm just says loyalty counters.
(This is why I asked fable about cmc btw. His responses to me confirms that at least one scum has this type of ability.)
@DV You asked yesterday why I thought KoD was town, despite doing things that seem antitown. I beleive that he is enacting a persona, similar to what Az and Chris do, and as such I do not believe his tone is scummy. He's being very over the top, and I don't see it as him being himself. This is especially clear if you read the linked game with he and Fable as scum. That game, he sounds like a real person.
I also thought that KoD and Fable were unlikely to be scum together, and Fable flipped scum. That, and when I asked KoD for a game he's played, he literally just said "no." Scum are unlikely to make that play.
Now, thoughts on today. I'm not a fan of Tom. Kind of a gut/tone thing.
Silver is similarly weird.
I can't wait for Brina to tell us his interesting stuff.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KoD, I passed on DotA as a target because I think it's much more likely he'll be lynched than Tom. My general read of the thread is that many people seem to have mild feels on Tom but everybody seems to have a higher priority, hence this day kill would be best utilized taking out a player I think may be flying under everybody's radar while they are focused in other directions.
As for you, you've had your moments and by that I mean eyebrow raising (such as your "I'm gonna agree with HT without reading him") but I wouldn't say you've done anything expressly scummy for you and I'd mostly agree with your stances day 2. I'm inclined to keep you null for now since I can see you going either way at this point.
@cit, DV would probably be the only person I'd disagree with there. Why is it that you're town reading DV?
@brin, I wouldn't say FCA liquidators are expressly anti-ferengi. They are more like government watch dogs for the ferengi, or even viewable as internal affairs officers in police dramas. While I can see the translation for them to be mafs (same with the negas for that matter) I don't think it's a smoking gun. I'd say the actual case on DotA is a lot strong than this flavor read.
@Tom, I would take any claim you make with a grain of salt. If it's not a verifiable claim I'd probably end up just discounting it. With that said, do whatever you think is best.
Is it just me or does silver seem like he's trying to actively protect Tom today?
Hmm. And Sir Chris still had his latinum in the death scene, didn't he? So if DoTA's killing Ferengi to take their latinum or something, he couldn't have killed Sir Chris. SC had 4 bars in his pocket when he died.
Again... I think it's more likely Sir Chris was NK'd by Mafia. I think there are many theories we could waste time on. Here's one: DoT is neutral SK esque and did kill Sir Chris but can't also loot the dead body for latinum at the same time. How likely do I think that's the case? Like .01%. The two most likely theories I have are that A) DoT is mafia and Fable was fishing for him. Upon realization that Mind would be a problem with a doubling effect, he was offed. DoT's role is to steal our latinum whilst having teammates kill non-Ferengi. This would allow them to reach better odds more quickly. B) DoT is neutralSKesque that targeted col_mongoose and stole his phaser, knowing Mind can potentially buff Ferengi and/or hurt him he offed him as well(or did some other +1 ability and didn't kill... there's many more theories here). If I put percentages to those two, I'd put 90% on A, 7% on B and the remainder in farfetched/bastardry. But I want to believe in Q.
Like the way you are constantly bringing up these theories and assuming many factors is troubling and I don't understand your logic at times. I'd also like you to answer my question concerning the rule/edition.
Also, you're a Ferengi, Tom is soft-claiming one, DoTA is one, Sir Chris was one, I'm one. If that's all the Ferengi, one of us is probably scum. There's a ***** ton of Ferengi in DS9 but you can only cram so many into one game, right?
Fake edit: I see you quoted my post where I said I would die, but I'm just gonna leave my post as-is.
It wouldn't surprise me if one was a fakeclaim and I had/have a chance to catch one of us in a lie.
Hmm. So latinum confirms Ferengi but there are other roles that function the same way?
Wonder if there are Ferengi that don't have latinum/loyalty roles.
Mindreaver wasn't Ferengi and claimed latinum stuff. Every claimed Ferengi has latinum stuff it seems. I doubt there are any other Ferengi but maybe others with stuff.
I can't wait for Killjoy to add interesting content.
HT: When I found out about his role I wikied it here: [http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Liquidator] That has me thinking there is significant potential. My flavor about losing my abilities/vote goes on that Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all. I agree it's not a smoking gun, but I'm making the best of what I'm given and I like this lead I'm given. "day kill would be best utilized taking out a player I think may be flying under everybody's radar while they are focused in other directions." Then this would apply to DoT as well but if you'd rather lynch for wagon stuff I'm not opposed. Who falls under this category for you?
I believe DoT, Cit, and Killjoy currently fall under this category. And I think Zinger shouldn't be included in this position just yet because of Necarg's D1 and perhaps excusable D2. I'd also like your opinion on the matter below, HT.
Silver/Tom: I'd like to backtrack to your D2 talk about targets. #1214, Silver you were willing to claim your night action but you went back on it after Tom said he had been countered and was sure you weren't untargetable based on reactions. So why bring up a mutual acquaintance, fall back when Tom backs off yet think he was a tracker? Something seems off because you state your target hasn't ringed in at that point, which is Rhand, Killjoy and maybe Necarg. Why would you be willing to claim your ability when really it was just Tom that was just questioning you? These targets shouldn't have you worrying enough to claim for one person. Much Paranoia, Such Weirdness. And Tom, how can you claim to have a "supercharge or w/e" if one of your nights was countered? Normally it should take a bit longer than that to charge something up if it's considered superpowerful, especially if one of those nights was "countered". I also find it weird since you breadcrumbed a bunch of those things on D1 and some of em talk about counters.
@halftime
First off, the implication I'm flying under the radar is ludicrous.
I would also like to know who you think is scum and why you don't want to shoot them.
And frankly, if you want me to die you should try to get me lynched. Any wagon on me gives significantly more information than, say, running up dota.
Anyone in this thread can just say and vote for him, and you learn nothing about that person.
Getting me lynched will take much more effort, but the rewards are great. You get to see who pushed it, who defended me, and who seemed reticent or overeager.
Not that I think it would happen. But it might even force me to give a ***** for a day or two.
But that's mafia theory stuff. And I guess your opinion on it is the only one that matters here.
So how about this:
I'll make a high effort post or two tomorrow. With, like, quotes and a rainbow wall and a list of unaligned pairs and *****. Maybe I'll even claim.
Then if you still want to shoot me, at least that will be out there so wheat can barn it and you and dv can completely dismiss it.
Sound fair to you?
@brinatoo I actually had rax clarify that.
It works just like a real planeswalker. Ability was countered but I still gained the loyalty counter(s).
Is it just me or does silver seem like he's trying to actively protect Tom today?
If by "actively protecting Tom" you mean "thinks DoTA and KJ are better vigs than Tom," sure.
It's your vig shot man, shoot who you want. I just don't think there's anything to be gained from a wagon on DoTA or Killjoy because they have very few interactions and even less interesting ones. I'd rather see them vigged than lynched. Is this an unusual opinion for some reason?
I mean, I sort of see what you're saying to KoD, but it seems less good to shoot someone because you think a lurker is going to wind up the lynch. I would want to shoot the lurker that might get lynched so we get a more valuable wagon with interactions and not just a "hey, he's lurking, let's shrug lynch him" wagon that could be full of scum bussing or something and no one would be able to see it.
I'd also like you to answer my question concerning the rule/edition.
I did. If I have zero latinum at dawn or twilight, I die. That's it. I claimed it in that post you quoted. I don't lose my vote or anything else. I'm just dead at the end of the phase. Do you die and have no vote or something?
As for the night kill stuff, I've just been thinking about it. Only one kill last night points to no SK. [Redacted] does the same (I'm not ready to claim that, yet). So who killed Mongoose if SC was the night kill? It seems sort of important, don't you think?
It wouldn't surprise me if one was a fakeclaim and I had/have a chance to catch one of us in a lie.
DoTA is clearly one, according to you. Chris was Quark. You're prooobably one, I guess? I know I'm one. That leaves Tom, but he says he's not a Ferengi but his role works the same as ours.
Mindreaver wasn't Ferengi and claimed latinum stuff. Every claimed Ferengi has latinum stuff it seems. I doubt there are any other Ferengi but maybe others with stuff.
I meant more like "having an amount of latinum" confirms Ferengi, not that having an ability that interacts with it does. But yeah, probably unlikely that a Ferengi doesn't have latinum.
Silver/Tom: I'd like to backtrack to your D2 talk about targets. #1214, Silver you were willing to claim your night action but you went back on it after Tom said he had been countered and was sure you weren't untargetable based on reactions. So why bring up a mutual acquaintance, fall back when Tom backs off yet think he was a tracker? Something seems off because you state your target hasn't ringed in at that point, which is Rhand, Killjoy and maybe Necarg. Why would you be willing to claim your ability when really it was just Tom that was just questioning you? These targets shouldn't have you worrying enough to claim for one person. Much Paranoia, Such Weirdness.
I thought Tom tracked me. The mutual acquaintance would have been Rhand. He obviously didn't track me because he said his ability failed after I said that, so even if he is a tracker he had no idea who I targeted.
I wanted to claim to get a reaction out of it, since the effect should be pretty noticeable, but Rhand never came back and Citric didn't bring it up so I figured it didn't do anything. I didn't really "go back on it," as that would imply I changed my mind and was openly opposed to it. My lead didn't pan out and I didn't see any benefit in claiming anymore. I'm still willing to claim if you're that interested in it, though we might get more benefit from it by waiting for DoTA (yes, I targeted DoTA last Night too).
I'm guessing you think I'm super suspicious or something from the way you're all like "one of us might be a fake claim," "I can't follow your logic," and "much paranoia," etc. I've said this three times now, I think, but I often come across as insincere. I'm just... not graceful, and often have trouble translating my thoughts into words. Lynch me for it if you want; TS wanted to. I'll flip town and you can hopefully find the actual scum after (or, you know, get lynched if you're scum again).
[b]@Mods:[/b} My ability to participate in this game has been near non-existent and won't be improving anytime soon, I'd like to be replaced if possible.
Well, I'm town.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
This is an excellent kill.
I don't trust tom at all.
And I've seen him use this gambit before.
Tom if you are town I'm going to be upset with you.
Stop smearing KoD. It wasn't a jump on, I figured just get the Day over with. Also, I'm not sure if this is what the mod intended, but since he stuck a big "this person loses even if his team wins," sticker on it, I don't think players would be jumping to take it.
Better just kill the slot and move on as far as I cared.
Also also I've been thinking about being shady as **** and just offing Tom today. At the start of day I was informed I gained a day kill today. My natural inclination is to use it to take out Tom since I think it's likely he's neutral with an SK lean as I cased yesterday. But instead I suppose I'll pose the following two questions:
@Brin, is this one of the things you were waiting to see if people spoke on?
@everybody, do you see a reason not to kill Tom in this manner? Question open to Tom as well.
Nice, someone's from the Seppel school of giving out kills.
You're also scum for your reasoning on wanting to kill Tom, which is why the Seppel school exists. Kindly shoot yourself with a coconut gun.
@Half_Time:
The game will be even slower with Tom gone.
Joking. Well, it's true, but that's not a reason to keep him alive.
While there is a chance he's an SK, I would want to know what potentially happened to his kill last Night. Hmm...
I guess he might have no-killed to throw us off since a couple people were suspicious yesterDay? I also have reason to believe there's not an SK, though, but it falls within the realm of set-up/mod gaming so I don't think it's trustworthy.
Personally, I would vig in (Killjoy, DoTArchon) because one is likely scum and neither are talking so lynching them tells us almost nothing, but it's your shot so the decision is ultimately yours. I think Tom is an okay target because I can't really read him, but at least he's here and saying stuff.
This isn't a terrible idea. Shoot Dota though.
Wait hold on, it's a daykill not a nightkill? Then shoot Shockwave immediately.
@KoD, I passed on DotA as a target because I think it's much more likely he'll be lynched than Tom. My general read of the thread is that many people seem to have mild feels on Tom but everybody seems to have a higher priority, hence this day kill would be best utilized taking out a player I think may be flying under everybody's radar while they are focused in other directions.
* Cythare pulls out three red balls of yarn, walks over to Wheat_Grinder, and rolls them towards KingofDominaria, D_V, and Kosakosa, then cocks her head and stares at Wheat_Grinder. *
You guys know who I am? Well darn, don't be so coy then. If you know what's up, what are we waiting for? There's a lot of ferengi about and I know how to rub lobes with the best of them.
First off, Silver, if you wanted to go to bed with me all you had to do was ask. Though I appreciate the recap nonetheless. You want some meat? And here I thought my predecessor made enough dick jokes. You want some meat? Here's some: I think it's interesting that you had Mind pegged as about definite threat to any ferengi scum out there because of how your own role works, and then Mindweaver dies. Then it gets revealed that not all Ferengi Latinum effects are a death sentence if you hit zero (and in fact makes me wonder if any of them save yourself even are). Very interesting indeed. I'd call it a scum tell if I didn't already have the hots for you since you threw me a bone with that recap earlier (seriously, I'm not gunna read 30 pages of text on mobile).
Durno what to make of Tom except that I don't see a reason to off him straight yet.
Half, I think it's VERY interesting that you suddenly acquired a Day kill. Mr. Wolf's phaser is still missing, Da? Is that an admission of guilt?
There's lots going on in this game, but it's still Day 1 as far as I'm concerned so I'll need some time to go deeper into it (and go deeper into other things, wink wink).
Everything Fable said about KoD is true and made me laugh like crazy. Course Fable was scum so his motivations for saying it was probably to throw attention onto KoD. Still funny *****.
Can someone summarize all the claims that have been made? Pretty please? I'll make it worth your while.
Let's just say my "Zesty" start was all just foreplay, baby. The real action is what comes next.
Let me put it this way while I am still reading things.
Wheat is an exceptionally good player. There is a reason I kept him under my revive for Ace Attorney. This game he feels very weak, and almost unsure of himself, like where he deferred to Tom on the H_T thing.
Every time I feel like I understand where Wheat is this game he seems to take large turns from where I felt he was building up to.
I want to agree with everyone and say he is town, but something is sitting in my gut and I can't place my finger on it yet.
DV: You're on the right track. Keep mulling it over.
I guess I'm curious about what you're referencing here, exactly, since D_V hasn't pursued it, at least not in-thread. What is he supposed to come up with after mulling it over? Might not be important since I'm pretty sure that you're, at the very least, not scum, but it's a bit cryptic.
@Zinger:
Let's see...
Ferengi have abilities that work essentially like Planeswalker cards in MTG. Start with X latinum, abilities cause you to gain and lose latinum in addition to their effects. Claimed Ferengi are me and Brinatoo. Brinatoo used his ability to find out that DoTA is one, as well (Brunt, FCA Liquidator).
Tom has abilities that work like Ferengi ones, but claims to not be a Ferengi.
Kosa is a Town Borg. His ability was mimed out in a game of charades, so you'll have to ask him if he wants it to be more public than that.
Shockwave is Patrick, from the same DS9 episodes your character is in. He has a post restriction where he has to answer questions with "that's a stupid question" a certain number of times per Day phase.
KoD had a one-shot name cop/roleblock ability that he used on TappingStones yesterDay. He's got some other one shot abilities he hasn't claimed.
Half_Time can apparently tell whether people are Borg or not.
Brinatoo can tell if people have latinum on them and find out their name.
Cythare is Spock's cat, Spot, and can only post in the form of actions a cat could do. This lead to the game of charades where Kosa's ability was claimed among other things.
Mafia more than likely have day chat.
Dead people:
Fable claimed to be the EMH from Voyager ("The Doctor") and tried to use that claim to push us into cult hunting instead of scum hunting. He flipped a godfather, though. Iliana Ghemor.
col_mongoose was Worf, and some kind of vig with a phaser that was missing in his death scene. But you already caught that.
Sir Chris was a Quark, a Ferengi Eavesdropper. Mindreaver thought there might be two groups of Mafia or a group of neutrals because of that. He had 4 latinum when he died.
TappingStones was Jack, the other guy from your episodes, and got a mod post/flavor scene of him doing something awkward when he gets targeted by abilities.
Mindreaver was Ro Laren, of course, and could double latinum gains or losses and do something else he never claimed.
Hrmm. I think that's every thing. Brinatoo or someone will come along in a minute and remind me I missed something, I'm sure.
* Cythare pulls out three red balls of yarn, walks over to Wheat_Grinder, and rolls them towards KingofDominaria, D_V, and Kosakosa, then cocks her head and stares at Wheat_Grinder. *
No, blue for all three. If this is in response to my comment to Citric, remember that it's bizarro world. I just want Citric's opinions laid out more.
Let me put it this way while I am still reading things.
Wheat is an exceptionally good player. There is a reason I kept him under my revive for Ace Attorney. This game he feels very weak, and almost unsure of himself, like where he deferred to Tom on the H_T thing.
Every time I feel like I understand where Wheat is this game he seems to take large turns from where I felt he was building up to.
I want to agree with everyone and say he is town, but something is sitting in my gut and I can't place my finger on it yet.
DV: You're on the right track. Keep mulling it over.
I guess I'm curious about what you're referencing here, exactly, since D_V hasn't pursued it, at least not in-thread. What is he supposed to come up with after mulling it over? Might not be important since I'm pretty sure that you're, at the very least, not scum, but it's a bit cryptic.
* Cythare looks at Silvercrys and then nods, grabbing her bag of yarn.
She rolls a blue ball at Silvercrys.
She rolls a blue ball at KingofDominaria.
She rolls a blue ball at Kosakosa.
She rolls a blue ball at tomsloger.
She rolls a blue ball at Wheat_Grinder.
She rolls a cyan ball at Half_Time.
She rolls a cyan ball at D_V.
She rolls a cyan ball at Brinatoo.
She rolls a grey ball at Citricbase.
She rolls a grey ball at Killjoy.
She rolls an orange ball at Zinger2099.
She rolls a red ball at DoTArchon.
She rolls a red ball at Shockwave. *
@Silver's list for Zinger: List looks complete, here's a thing you missed, a thing to add, an error I believe you made (minor) and a couple of unknowns that are still in play:
Thing you missed: Half-Time claimed a Day-Vig shot as well. Truth remains to be proven, but very likely true.
Thing to add: I am a Lunatic as well, which seems to be effectively vanilla with flavor based drawback (posting restriction, embarrassing scene when targeted in Tapping's case).
Error: I don't think KoD claimed 1 shot roleblocker, but I do believe he claimed to be blocked.
Unknowns still on the table: Possible other roleblocker (if silver didn't block KoD), Redirector, and/or SK/other Vig.
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Oh. I get it. Nobody lied so much as you've not been able to correct people's misinterpretations. There, there, kitty. Nobody will call you Spock's cat with me around. Now come here so I can pet the *****.
The following should never be lynched: Cythare - sure. spot could be scum in one of these games. being the cat doesnt clear him
but the way cyth has played it does. its so easy to just engage slank cover and just do catty things. maybe hiss at some people. wake up and vomit on the floor during that toxicity-fest of a day 2.
but cyth has actively and creatively found ways to make his opinion known. theres just no real reason for scum cyth to put himself out there like that and try so hard to be understood. kosa - ive harped on this a couple of times, but that post claiming borg is just the towniest thing thats happened all game. he saw the game going in a direction that wasnt good for town, and he tried to stop it. there is just no way that scum doesnt let it keep going that way and simultaneously put himself in the spotlight. DV - DV has said a lot of things in this game that make no goddamn sense to me. which is totally his town meta.
hes actively messing with people for reactions, and responding organically to those reactions.
and his "tom wtf are you doing?" comment to me trying to get some info out of fable was on fleek. like, i was wifom-ing the scumteam pretty hard there, but i can imagine what it looked like to him. and he wanted none of it. wheat - a lot of this is still based on our mindmeld. but hes done a much better job than me showing the thought process of how he got there, and its still the same. when someone reaches the same conclusions with the same process, that just means theyre coming at it from the same place.
and that place includes getting a town role pm. KoD - i still havent done more than skim his walls, but kod is just clearly trying to solve the game. i dont really have to state the obvious here, but scum dont have to do that. brinatoo - feel free to disregard this one because, as i mentioned, its OOG and kind of gross.
brin is getting mentoring from iso. i can clearly see him getting scumhunting advice from iso. hes not quite using iso's electron cloud theory, but it could not be more clear that he is learning from iso here.
now, do you think scumbrinatoo asks iso how to scumhunt or do you think he asks how to avoid the mistakes he made in goldeneye?
do you think iso tells scumbrinatoo to act totally different from his usual meta just one game later?
no. because brinatoo is town and learning how to catch scum. and doing a decent job if i might add, opinion on shooting me notwithstanding.
id also like to add silvercrys - if theres a borg cult in this game, i still think it could be him. that deflection was insane.
but theres just no goddamn way hes mafia. anyone who thinks silver is not trying his ******* best to scumhunt and is being anything but completely transparent with his thought processes and opinions on people can fight me 1v1.
now, as vaimes in ace attorney proved, you can still be townie as **** as a third party neutral. youre basically town with a different win condition, and can just think about and solve the game as town and just keep the "welp. gotta survive too" part in the back of your mind. but im coming around to the idea that there just isnt a cult this game so silver is town.
I did. If I have zero latinum at dawn or twilight, I die. That's it. I claimed it in that post you quoted. I don't lose my vote or anything else. I'm just dead at the end of the phase. Do you die and have no vote or something?
Nono, you misunderstand what I'm talking about. With what we are talking about, there is no clause or name given to that mechanic/event? Mine is given a Rule/Edition. Like it's named under an article of a book. My death would be unrelated to me becoming a stump. I wouldn't be a dead stump if that's what you are asking. Zombie stump? hue
As for the night kill stuff, I've just been thinking about it. Only one kill last night points to no SK. [Redacted] does the same (I'm not ready to claim that, yet). So who killed Mongoose if SC was the night kill? It seems sort of important, don't you think?
As much as I want to bring up what you say later right here, I'll attempt to forget it and treat this line-by-line. Okay, so you have reason to believe one kill last night points to no SK and your stuff insinuates the same. If Mongoose was confirmed not the NK and SC was, there could either be a 2nd vig or a weird redirection theory that we've already covered. But yea, you ultimately disprove yourself later in the post.
DoTA is clearly one, according to you. Chris was Quark. You're prooobably one, I guess? I know I'm one. That leaves Tom, but he says he's not a Ferengi but his role works the same as ours.
I can still determine if you are fakeclaiming. I doubt others will use theirs should it exist. Heck I'm sure everyone learned from TS to be more picky about it.
I thought Tom tracked me. The mutual acquaintance would have been Rhand. He obviously didn't track me because he said his ability failed after I said that, so even if he is a tracker he had no idea who I targeted.
But he was the only one pressuring you about what you did. My advice to you if you are actually town, in the future, is to hold your cards close to you because 1. why would you be willing to trust/give into tom if you don't know if you can trust him and he's just not gambiting/fishing. 2. a reasonable explanation to give into demands like these if you are aware that your ability/target could appear scummy in ways but you want to stop that suspicion immediately. why would a target like Rhand, that didn't die, appear suspicious
I wanted to claim to get a reaction out of it, since the effect should be pretty noticeable, but Rhand never came back and Citric didn't bring it up so I figured it didn't do anything. I didn't really "go back on it," as that would imply I changed my mind and was openly opposed to it. My lead didn't pan out and I didn't see any benefit in claiming anymore. I'm still willing to claim if you're that interested in it, though we might get more benefit from it by waiting for DoTA (yes, I targeted DoTA last Night too).
A reaction out of the thread? or to gauge tom? Like that's a shot in the dark to expect good things to come from a claim that wasn't warranted. Mostly you'd just make it easier for scum to figure out your part because you handed your stuff on a silver platter.
I'm guessing you think I'm super suspicious or something from the way you're all like "one of us might be a fake claim," "I can't follow your logic," and "much paranoia," etc. I've said this three times now, I think, but I often come across as insincere. I'm just... not graceful, and often have trouble translating my thoughts into words. Lynch me for it if you want; TS wanted to. I'll flip town and you can hopefully find the actual scum after (or, you know, get lynched if you're scum again).
My feelings are mixed. My paranoia of two mafia teams has grown with your discrepancies.
@Mods: My ability to participate in this game has been near non-existent and won't be improving anytime soon, I'd like to be replaced if possible.
Boo. Where's an OMGUS? Like that's not cool to leave a replacement with this situation. If you're mafia/SK just call one of either me or Silver out for lying. If you're town get to it....don't put that weight on another...
Hrmm. I think that's every thing. Brinatoo or someone will come along in a minute and remind me I missed something, I'm sure.
Computing....
#Engage Brinbot 838#
Protocol 72: Extract Missing Data
Analyzing...
Tom claimed a Super-Power ability nearly reaching charged status.
Tom claimed countered on N1 when targeting Silver.
Kosa claimed Borg-conversion something or another but non-cult, targeted Cythare N1.
Cythare claimed immunity to this N1 and both persons acknowledge this.
HT claimed Kosa is Borg but unaware of alignment.
HT claimed Silver is not Borg Day 2.
Brinatoo was redirected off of Killjoy onto DoT Night 1, revealing 2 latinum.
Day Chat by Mafia not confirmed but discussed during Day 2.
Other information compiled whilst making this post.
#Error: Battery level at 5%, effort reserves reaching critical status#
#Force Shutdown Protocol 2: Disengage#
And since it looks like DoTA's not coming back, I'll just go ahead and claim.
I roleblocked him last Night. Which is what got me thinking that he was responsible for the second kill on N1.
My first reaction was but then I remembered you thought against it being SK in your other post above before I compiled this. Ugh. How the hell did you make the assessment above "As for the night kill stuff, I've just been thinking about it. Only one kill last night points to no SK. [Redacted] does the same (I'm not ready to claim that, yet)." when you literally could have blocked the SK? *****s weird.
I was never roleblocked. As far as I know I've never been targeted by anyone. As for my own role, I claimed three, one-shot abilities. My role allows me to target someone and use any number of them. N1 I targeted TS and chose to roleblock him and cop his name. Other than that, I have not claimed what my last ability is.
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@D_V: There is literally zero chances there's a normal cult in this game. Maybe there's one functionally serving as a second scum faction (ie Cult Leader with only 1 or 2 possible recruitments), but I don't think we can do anything about it right now, and speculating on the game setup in a Specialty is often fruitless.
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Also also I've been thinking about being shady as **** and just offing Tom today. At the start of day I was informed I gained a day kill today. My natural inclination is to use it to take out Tom since I think it's likely he's neutral with an SK lean as I cased yesterday. But instead I suppose I'll pose the following two questions:
@Brin, is this one of the things you were waiting to see if people spoke on?
@everybody, do you see a reason not to kill Tom in this manner? Question open to Tom as well.
You can point me to the case if youd like, but I'm betting it hinges on me not really caring who lives or dies. Which... I mostly don't.
I am pretty close to firing off my ultimate, which is good. I could tell you about it if you want.
Other than that, great kill.
I'm clearly not invested and will probably not reevaluate much, if at all. So yall just get to take my gut reads into account once I've flipped and it will be like I'm still here
If anyone disagrees speak up please and thanks
This is an excellent kill.
I don't trust tom at all.
And I've seen him use this gambit before.
Tom if you are town I'm going to be upset with you.
Also,
Did you really flame TS for what he did to the game.
And now are pulling this?
Dude what the hell?
Like, Ive false claimed before. Is that what you mean?
And you are going to be upset with me.
what am I pulling that's similar to ts this game?
because whatever it is I will stop doing immediately
The game will be even slower with Tom gone.
Joking. Well, it's true, but that's not a reason to keep him alive.
While there is a chance he's an SK, I would want to know what potentially happened to his kill last Night. Hmm...
I guess he might have no-killed to throw us off since a couple people were suspicious yesterDay? I also have reason to believe there's not an SK, though, but it falls within the realm of set-up/mod gaming so I don't think it's trustworthy.
Personally, I would vig in (Killjoy, DoTArchon) because one is likely scum and neither are talking so lynching them tells us almost nothing, but it's your shot so the decision is ultimately yours. I think Tom is an okay target because I can't really read him, but at least he's here and saying stuff.
Other than that, where is your view sitting on me currently?
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Now that we have a Daykill we have a potential to test my flavor-cop lead. I targeted DoT last Night and got a return that he is Brunt, FCA Liquidator and has 3 latinum. Since it is a flavor-cop, I don't know his alignment but I think that a title like "Liquidator" is inherently anti-Ferengi. I think it's a safe assumption that a title like that is seeking out latinum and hoping to make Ferengi useless/dead. Silver has already claimed that Ferengi without latinum has drawbacks. I lose my abilities and can't vote, essentially becoming a stump. With Mindreaver's immediate death after claiming something latinum related and Sir Chris also being latinum-related, I think there is plenty of evidence of "Liquidation" present.
@Silver: What is the rule/edition your role has if you have no latinum?
All of this coupled with other parts of my role- which I'm hesitant to claim because I think we gain more if I keep it a secret and have mafioso worry about what all I do or don't have. This should give my opinion on the matter HT, to answer your @everyone question.
Looking forward to everyone's opinion on my find. I'm also gonna go back through Day 2 to see who brought up Brunt(at least I'm pretty sure I remember someone brought up the character by flavor is a threat) Was that also you Silver?
Brunt hates Quark.
Hates!
And Quark (Sir Chris) was town.
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Could you reference the post about the drawbacks?
And yes, that was me, but I didn't say Brunt. Mindreaver said he had an ability that doubled the gains or losses of latinum over night and I told him it was a threat to Ferengi. At the time I thought it might be essentially a Ferengi vig if used at the right time - I guess it only kills me though, since you become a stump. Eh.
Hmm. And Sir Chris still had his latinum in the death scene, didn't he? So if DoTA's killing Ferengi to take their latinum or something, he couldn't have killed Sir Chris. SC had 4 bars in his pocket when he died.
Also, you're a Ferengi, Tom is soft-claiming one, DoTA is one, Sir Chris was one, I'm one. If that's all the Ferengi, one of us is probably scum. There's a ***** ton of Ferengi in DS9 but you can only cram so many into one game, right?
Fake edit: I see you quoted my post where I said I would die, but I'm just gonna leave my post as-is.
Are you not charging an ult, then, or are you not a Ferengi and charging an ult some other way?
(This is why I asked fable about cmc btw. His responses to me confirms that at least one scum has this type of ability.)
Wonder if there are Ferengi that don't have latinum/loyalty roles.
I also thought that KoD and Fable were unlikely to be scum together, and Fable flipped scum. That, and when I asked KoD for a game he's played, he literally just said "no." Scum are unlikely to make that play.
Now, thoughts on today. I'm not a fan of Tom. Kind of a gut/tone thing.
Silver is similarly weird.
I can't wait for Brina to tell us his interesting stuff.
You got any opinions that aren't based on tone?
As for you, you've had your moments and by that I mean eyebrow raising (such as your "I'm gonna agree with HT without reading him") but I wouldn't say you've done anything expressly scummy for you and I'd mostly agree with your stances day 2. I'm inclined to keep you null for now since I can see you going either way at this point.
@cit, DV would probably be the only person I'd disagree with there. Why is it that you're town reading DV?
@brin, I wouldn't say FCA liquidators are expressly anti-ferengi. They are more like government watch dogs for the ferengi, or even viewable as internal affairs officers in police dramas. While I can see the translation for them to be mafs (same with the negas for that matter) I don't think it's a smoking gun. I'd say the actual case on DotA is a lot strong than this flavor read.
@Tom, I would take any claim you make with a grain of salt. If it's not a verifiable claim I'd probably end up just discounting it. With that said, do whatever you think is best.
Is it just me or does silver seem like he's trying to actively protect Tom today?
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Like the way you are constantly bringing up these theories and assuming many factors is troubling and I don't understand your logic at times. I'd also like you to answer my question concerning the rule/edition.
It wouldn't surprise me if one was a fakeclaim and I had/have a chance to catch one of us in a lie. Mindreaver wasn't Ferengi and claimed latinum stuff. Every claimed Ferengi has latinum stuff it seems. I doubt there are any other Ferengi but maybe others with stuff.
I can't wait for Killjoy to add interesting content.
HT: When I found out about his role I wikied it here: [http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Liquidator] That has me thinking there is significant potential. My flavor about losing my abilities/vote goes on that Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all. I agree it's not a smoking gun, but I'm making the best of what I'm given and I like this lead I'm given. "day kill would be best utilized taking out a player I think may be flying under everybody's radar while they are focused in other directions." Then this would apply to DoT as well but if you'd rather lynch for wagon stuff I'm not opposed. Who falls under this category for you?
I believe DoT, Cit, and Killjoy currently fall under this category. And I think Zinger shouldn't be included in this position just yet because of Necarg's D1 and perhaps excusable D2. I'd also like your opinion on the matter below, HT.
Silver/Tom: I'd like to backtrack to your D2 talk about targets. #1214, Silver you were willing to claim your night action but you went back on it after Tom said he had been countered and was sure you weren't untargetable based on reactions. So why bring up a mutual acquaintance, fall back when Tom backs off yet think he was a tracker? Something seems off because you state your target hasn't ringed in at that point, which is Rhand, Killjoy and maybe Necarg. Why would you be willing to claim your ability when really it was just Tom that was just questioning you? These targets shouldn't have you worrying enough to claim for one person. Much Paranoia, Such Weirdness. And Tom, how can you claim to have a "supercharge or w/e" if one of your nights was countered? Normally it should take a bit longer than that to charge something up if it's considered superpowerful, especially if one of those nights was "countered". I also find it weird since you breadcrumbed a bunch of those things on D1 and some of em talk about counters.
First off, the implication I'm flying under the radar is ludicrous.
I would also like to know who you think is scum and why you don't want to shoot them.
And frankly, if you want me to die you should try to get me lynched. Any wagon on me gives significantly more information than, say, running up dota.
Anyone in this thread can just say and vote for him, and you learn nothing about that person.
Getting me lynched will take much more effort, but the rewards are great. You get to see who pushed it, who defended me, and who seemed reticent or overeager.
Not that I think it would happen. But it might even force me to give a ***** for a day or two.
But that's mafia theory stuff. And I guess your opinion on it is the only one that matters here.
So how about this:
I'll make a high effort post or two tomorrow. With, like, quotes and a rainbow wall and a list of unaligned pairs and *****. Maybe I'll even claim.
Then if you still want to shoot me, at least that will be out there so wheat can barn it and you and dv can completely dismiss it.
Sound fair to you?
@brinatoo I actually had rax clarify that.
It works just like a real planeswalker. Ability was countered but I still gained the loyalty counter(s).
Ok, back to work. Expect great things from me
It's your vig shot man, shoot who you want. I just don't think there's anything to be gained from a wagon on DoTA or Killjoy because they have very few interactions and even less interesting ones. I'd rather see them vigged than lynched. Is this an unusual opinion for some reason?
I mean, I sort of see what you're saying to KoD, but it seems less good to shoot someone because you think a lurker is going to wind up the lynch. I would want to shoot the lurker that might get lynched so we get a more valuable wagon with interactions and not just a "hey, he's lurking, let's shrug lynch him" wagon that could be full of scum bussing or something and no one would be able to see it.
I did. If I have zero latinum at dawn or twilight, I die. That's it. I claimed it in that post you quoted. I don't lose my vote or anything else. I'm just dead at the end of the phase. Do you die and have no vote or something?
As for the night kill stuff, I've just been thinking about it. Only one kill last night points to no SK. [Redacted] does the same (I'm not ready to claim that, yet). So who killed Mongoose if SC was the night kill? It seems sort of important, don't you think? DoTA is clearly one, according to you. Chris was Quark. You're prooobably one, I guess? I know I'm one. That leaves Tom, but he says he's not a Ferengi but his role works the same as ours. I meant more like "having an amount of latinum" confirms Ferengi, not that having an ability that interacts with it does. But yeah, probably unlikely that a Ferengi doesn't have latinum. I thought Tom tracked me. The mutual acquaintance would have been Rhand. He obviously didn't track me because he said his ability failed after I said that, so even if he is a tracker he had no idea who I targeted.
I wanted to claim to get a reaction out of it, since the effect should be pretty noticeable, but Rhand never came back and Citric didn't bring it up so I figured it didn't do anything. I didn't really "go back on it," as that would imply I changed my mind and was openly opposed to it. My lead didn't pan out and I didn't see any benefit in claiming anymore. I'm still willing to claim if you're that interested in it, though we might get more benefit from it by waiting for DoTA (yes, I targeted DoTA last Night too).
I'm guessing you think I'm super suspicious or something from the way you're all like "one of us might be a fake claim," "I can't follow your logic," and "much paranoia," etc. I've said this three times now, I think, but I often come across as insincere. I'm just... not graceful, and often have trouble translating my thoughts into words. Lynch me for it if you want; TS wanted to. I'll flip town and you can hopefully find the actual scum after (or, you know, get lynched if you're scum again).
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Silver 1853: I think I said all I need to on my mobile post.
DV 1856: I also said all I need to here.
I forget what Dota has done this game.
This is a scum post.
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Nice, someone's from the Seppel school of giving out kills.
You're also scum for your reasoning on wanting to kill Tom, which is why the Seppel school exists. Kindly shoot yourself with a coconut gun.
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Coconut gun.
It's suddenly bizarro world and I disagree with all 4. Tell me why you believe this.
This isn't a terrible idea. Shoot Dota though.
Wait hold on, it's a daykill not a nightkill? Then shoot Shockwave immediately.
This is how a scum thinks.
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First off, Silver, if you wanted to go to bed with me all you had to do was ask. Though I appreciate the recap nonetheless. You want some meat? And here I thought my predecessor made enough dick jokes. You want some meat? Here's some: I think it's interesting that you had Mind pegged as about definite threat to any ferengi scum out there because of how your own role works, and then Mindweaver dies. Then it gets revealed that not all Ferengi Latinum effects are a death sentence if you hit zero (and in fact makes me wonder if any of them save yourself even are). Very interesting indeed. I'd call it a scum tell if I didn't already have the hots for you since you threw me a bone with that recap earlier (seriously, I'm not gunna read 30 pages of text on mobile).
Durno what to make of Tom except that I don't see a reason to off him straight yet.
Half, I think it's VERY interesting that you suddenly acquired a Day kill. Mr. Wolf's phaser is still missing, Da? Is that an admission of guilt?
There's lots going on in this game, but it's still Day 1 as far as I'm concerned so I'll need some time to go deeper into it (and go deeper into other things, wink wink).
Everything Fable said about KoD is true and made me laugh like crazy. Course Fable was scum so his motivations for saying it was probably to throw attention onto KoD. Still funny *****.
Can someone summarize all the claims that have been made? Pretty please? I'll make it worth your while.
Let's just say my "Zesty" start was all just foreplay, baby. The real action is what comes next.
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@Wheat: I guess I'm curious about what you're referencing here, exactly, since D_V hasn't pursued it, at least not in-thread. What is he supposed to come up with after mulling it over? Might not be important since I'm pretty sure that you're, at the very least, not scum, but it's a bit cryptic.
@Zinger:
Let's see...
Ferengi have abilities that work essentially like Planeswalker cards in MTG. Start with X latinum, abilities cause you to gain and lose latinum in addition to their effects. Claimed Ferengi are me and Brinatoo. Brinatoo used his ability to find out that DoTA is one, as well (Brunt, FCA Liquidator).
Tom has abilities that work like Ferengi ones, but claims to not be a Ferengi.
Kosa is a Town Borg. His ability was mimed out in a game of charades, so you'll have to ask him if he wants it to be more public than that.
Shockwave is Patrick, from the same DS9 episodes your character is in. He has a post restriction where he has to answer questions with "that's a stupid question" a certain number of times per Day phase.
KoD had a one-shot name cop/roleblock ability that he used on TappingStones yesterDay. He's got some other one shot abilities he hasn't claimed.
Half_Time can apparently tell whether people are Borg or not.
Brinatoo can tell if people have latinum on them and find out their name.
Cythare is Spock's cat, Spot, and can only post in the form of actions a cat could do. This lead to the game of charades where Kosa's ability was claimed among other things.
Mafia more than likely have day chat.
Dead people:
Fable claimed to be the EMH from Voyager ("The Doctor") and tried to use that claim to push us into cult hunting instead of scum hunting. He flipped a godfather, though. Iliana Ghemor.
col_mongoose was Worf, and some kind of vig with a phaser that was missing in his death scene. But you already caught that.
Sir Chris was a Quark, a Ferengi Eavesdropper. Mindreaver thought there might be two groups of Mafia or a group of neutrals because of that. He had 4 latinum when he died.
TappingStones was Jack, the other guy from your episodes, and got a mod post/flavor scene of him doing something awkward when he gets targeted by abilities.
Mindreaver was Ro Laren, of course, and could double latinum gains or losses and do something else he never claimed.
Hrmm. I think that's every thing. Brinatoo or someone will come along in a minute and remind me I missed something, I'm sure.
I roleblocked him last Night. Which is what got me thinking that he was responsible for the second kill on N1.
No, blue for all three. If this is in response to my comment to Citric, remember that it's bizarro world. I just want Citric's opinions laid out more.
Yes, it is cryptic.
She rolls a blue ball at Silvercrys.
She rolls a blue ball at KingofDominaria.
She rolls a blue ball at Kosakosa.
She rolls a blue ball at tomsloger.
She rolls a blue ball at Wheat_Grinder.
She rolls a cyan ball at Half_Time.
She rolls a cyan ball at D_V.
She rolls a cyan ball at Brinatoo.
She rolls a grey ball at Citricbase.
She rolls a grey ball at Killjoy.
She rolls an orange ball at Zinger2099.
She rolls a red ball at DoTArchon.
She rolls a red ball at Shockwave. *
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Spot is DATA'S cat, not Spocks. Someone is lying.
Thanks for your help Silver. You know where to find me later. (In holosuite 1 waiting and ready)
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Thing you missed: Half-Time claimed a Day-Vig shot as well. Truth remains to be proven, but very likely true.
Thing to add: I am a Lunatic as well, which seems to be effectively vanilla with flavor based drawback (posting restriction, embarrassing scene when targeted in Tapping's case).
Error: I don't think KoD claimed 1 shot roleblocker, but I do believe he claimed to be blocked.
Unknowns still on the table: Possible other roleblocker (if silver didn't block KoD), Redirector, and/or SK/other Vig.
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Oh. I get it. Nobody lied so much as you've not been able to correct people's misinterpretations. There, there, kitty. Nobody will call you Spock's cat with me around. Now come here so I can pet the *****.
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The following should never be lynched:
Cythare - sure. spot could be scum in one of these games. being the cat doesnt clear him
but the way cyth has played it does. its so easy to just engage slank cover and just do catty things. maybe hiss at some people. wake up and vomit on the floor during that toxicity-fest of a day 2.
but cyth has actively and creatively found ways to make his opinion known. theres just no real reason for scum cyth to put himself out there like that and try so hard to be understood.
kosa - ive harped on this a couple of times, but that post claiming borg is just the towniest thing thats happened all game. he saw the game going in a direction that wasnt good for town, and he tried to stop it. there is just no way that scum doesnt let it keep going that way and simultaneously put himself in the spotlight.
DV - DV has said a lot of things in this game that make no goddamn sense to me. which is totally his town meta.
hes actively messing with people for reactions, and responding organically to those reactions.
and his "tom wtf are you doing?" comment to me trying to get some info out of fable was on fleek. like, i was wifom-ing the scumteam pretty hard there, but i can imagine what it looked like to him. and he wanted none of it.
wheat - a lot of this is still based on our mindmeld. but hes done a much better job than me showing the thought process of how he got there, and its still the same. when someone reaches the same conclusions with the same process, that just means theyre coming at it from the same place.
and that place includes getting a town role pm.
KoD - i still havent done more than skim his walls, but kod is just clearly trying to solve the game. i dont really have to state the obvious here, but scum dont have to do that.
brinatoo - feel free to disregard this one because, as i mentioned, its OOG and kind of gross.
brin is getting mentoring from iso. i can clearly see him getting scumhunting advice from iso. hes not quite using iso's electron cloud theory, but it could not be more clear that he is learning from iso here.
now, do you think scumbrinatoo asks iso how to scumhunt or do you think he asks how to avoid the mistakes he made in goldeneye?
do you think iso tells scumbrinatoo to act totally different from his usual meta just one game later?
no. because brinatoo is town and learning how to catch scum. and doing a decent job if i might add, opinion on shooting me notwithstanding.
id also like to add
silvercrys - if theres a borg cult in this game, i still think it could be him. that deflection was insane.
but theres just no goddamn way hes mafia. anyone who thinks silver is not trying his ******* best to scumhunt and is being anything but completely transparent with his thought processes and opinions on people can fight me 1v1.
now, as vaimes in ace attorney proved, you can still be townie as **** as a third party neutral. youre basically town with a different win condition, and can just think about and solve the game as town and just keep the "welp. gotta survive too" part in the back of your mind. but im coming around to the idea that there just isnt a cult this game so silver is town.
As much as I want to bring up what you say later right here, I'll attempt to forget it and treat this line-by-line. Okay, so you have reason to believe one kill last night points to no SK and your stuff insinuates the same. If Mongoose was confirmed not the NK and SC was, there could either be a 2nd vig or a weird redirection theory that we've already covered. But yea, you ultimately disprove yourself later in the post. I can still determine if you are fakeclaiming. I doubt others will use theirs should it exist. Heck I'm sure everyone learned from TS to be more picky about it. But he was the only one pressuring you about what you did. My advice to you if you are actually town, in the future, is to hold your cards close to you because 1. why would you be willing to trust/give into tom if you don't know if you can trust him and he's just not gambiting/fishing. 2. a reasonable explanation to give into demands like these if you are aware that your ability/target could appear scummy in ways but you want to stop that suspicion immediately. why would a target like Rhand, that didn't die, appear suspicious
A reaction out of the thread? or to gauge tom? Like that's a shot in the dark to expect good things to come from a claim that wasn't warranted. Mostly you'd just make it easier for scum to figure out your part because you handed your stuff on a silver platter.
My feelings are mixed. My paranoia of two mafia teams has grown with your discrepancies. Boo. Where's an OMGUS? Like that's not cool to leave a replacement with this situation. If you're mafia/SK just call one of either me or Silver out for lying. If you're town get to it....don't put that weight on another... Computing....
#Engage Brinbot 838#
Protocol 72: Extract Missing Data
Analyzing...
Tom claimed a Super-Power ability nearly reaching charged status.
Tom claimed countered on N1 when targeting Silver.
Kosa claimed Borg-conversion something or another but non-cult, targeted Cythare N1.
Cythare claimed immunity to this N1 and both persons acknowledge this.
HT claimed Kosa is Borg but unaware of alignment.
HT claimed Silver is not Borg Day 2.
Brinatoo was redirected off of Killjoy onto DoT Night 1, revealing 2 latinum.
Day Chat by Mafia not confirmed but discussed during Day 2.
Other information compiled whilst making this post.
#Error: Battery level at 5%, effort reserves reaching critical status#
#Force Shutdown Protocol 2: Disengage#
My first reaction was but then I remembered you thought against it being SK in your other post above before I compiled this. Ugh. How the hell did you make the assessment above "As for the night kill stuff, I've just been thinking about it. Only one kill last night points to no SK. [Redacted] does the same (I'm not ready to claim that, yet)." when you literally could have blocked the SK? *****s weird.
I was never roleblocked. As far as I know I've never been targeted by anyone. As for my own role, I claimed three, one-shot abilities. My role allows me to target someone and use any number of them. N1 I targeted TS and chose to roleblock him and cop his name. Other than that, I have not claimed what my last ability is.
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So I've read up somewhat, but I'm still going to ask.
How do we play versus a cult if there is one?
I've only ever played vs cults in micros or the one game I can recall we lynched the leader day one.
Do we just assume that through scum hunting we are going to hit a cult member and that will alert us?
Do we just ignore it and only worry about it when we are in lylo of cult?
It seems to me that a lot of the theory on cult play is bad, because to me you want to hit it early before it extends the grip it has on the game.