KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Its the way I went about it though. I came in immediately making myself the most likely lynch.
What do I get out of that as sk?
As jester, I get to win.
As town, I get information. I think I got some great stuff from those reactions, but that's obviously a coincidence since I'm probably just the jester
Is your hypothesis that this is the way I would act if my only wincon involved not getting lynched?
I asked to get lynched, both literally and subtly. Seriously, reread it.
Its the way I went about it though. I came in immediately making myself the most likely lynch.
What do I get out of that as sk?
As jester, I get to win.
As town, I get information. I think I got some great stuff from those reactions, but that's obviously a coincidence since I'm probably just the jester
Is your hypothesis that this is the way I would act if my only wincon involved not getting lynched?
I asked to get lynched, both literally and subtly. Seriously, reread it.
You're pushing the WIFOM too much.
A jester would be fine with being lynched. Which if you probs are you just say "OK!", this is just trying to squirm out of it.
Someone's volunteered to replace Dragon_Reign if he doesn't show up. I'll give him until the end of tomorrow, and if he hasn't posted by then, I'll take this person up on his offer.
you were immediately sure i wasnt the jester. you could think i was lying as town, but youd definitely know i was lying as jester.
i already went over why you arent the sk.
kj has been down for whatever lynch gets support. trying just a little too hard to act normal.
iso, on the other hand, is totally paranoid of me. i think we're 4/4 for him scumreading me now, so that may be null.
but it is how town should react to me busting in here like the koolaid man saying to "lynch me"
Nah. If you can't see the benefit of false claiming jester, I don't trust you to use the information from it correctly.
Unless I actually am the jester... I notice I haven't been CCed
If you're not the Jester, why the hell would the Jester CC you?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just a heads-up that I probably won't be all that available this weekend after tomorrow. I'll get back to things on Monday, if I don't find time to post over the weekend.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Nah. If you can't see the benefit of false claiming jester, I don't trust you to use the information from it correctly.
Unless I actually am the jester... I notice I haven't been CCed
If you're not the Jester, why the hell would the Jester CC you?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If anything, the SK wants to keep the Jester alive to keep the town concerned about the possibility of the SK being the Jester, and the Jester wants to keep the SK alive because if the SK dies, the Jester can't win.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Not going anywhere near tom, way too much confusion happening there. Thoughts on Iso, KJ and D_V coming shortly, I've been reading along dince the game started but need to do a proper analysis now that I'm in.
KJ went to L-1 and didn't self-elect after Xyre mentioned that self-electing is possible. Town.
Iso is definitely not the jester, I think he would have called Tom's bluff if he was and tried to push Tom as SK. As SK he'd be trying to push himself as king, probably based on his experience and ability to catch scum. (He did self-elect at one stage but never pushed for it to go through) Town .
D_V seems a little too eager to get someone voted in, his early vote for KJ and subsequent hop to Iso (after Iso self-elected). Anti-Town
Tom's first post claim is definitely not coming from a town perspective. No right-minded townie would create that much WIFOM in hopes of attaining reads, since it distratcts everyone from focusing on the actual hunt while we're trying to resolve this.
I have a potential solution:
We elect Tom to the throne, with the instruction to lynch between myself and Iso, two townies. The SK should try to hit the Jester overnight since tomorrow there's no guarantee that the jester won't be mitakenly lynched and win the game. We can then try and resolve the outstanding from that point.
We need to wait for Iso before we decide whether or not to to pull the trigger on this though,
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, Tom. You're the SK because you've tried to convince the game that I am the SK multiple times. Jester does not want the game to find the SK, because then they lynch him and win. Therfore, you are not the jester.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Guys, kj knows he's town
Then Tom is the SK.
By claiming Jester you have made yourself the Target for the SK.
You would know this.
That means that you are the SK because you know you will not be killed by the SK.
I think we should lunch Tom.
If I'm not the jester, it's probably dv. No other reason to be sure I'm lying.
Plus he's not the sk. Sk!dv doesn't bring up me as the kill target
If I was king, I'd lynch kj.
Unless I'm the jester, then I lynch dv. Obviously.
If you were the Jester and I as the SK wouldn't you auto lose?
I don't think you understand how this micro works.
Or I don't.
This. I don't care who becomes king really today. Its a lot of info regardless.
I'm almost of the opinion we should no lynch.
NVM.
Mmmm.
I did the math for that and everything
Hey, Iso, would you lynch Tom?
Yeah no crap hes the SK lets win this game already.
Its the way I went about it though. I came in immediately making myself the most likely lynch.
What do I get out of that as sk?
As jester, I get to win.
As town, I get information. I think I got some great stuff from those reactions, but that's obviously a coincidence since I'm probably just the jester
Is your hypothesis that this is the way I would act if my only wincon involved not getting lynched?
I asked to get lynched, both literally and subtly. Seriously, reread it.
You're pushing the WIFOM too much.
A jester would be fine with being lynched. Which if you probs are you just say "OK!", this is just trying to squirm out of it.
You are the SK bra.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
And the town in General?
Didn't you just say as town you get info for claiming jester if you are lynched?
And you clearly are not comfortable about being lynched.
You are protesting so much.
me being the lynch just means whoever is left Day 2 [if there is one] will know it too.
It seems to me that you have just picked the two people actively speaking a lot and then thrown as much dirt on them as you can.
Why is Iso pure town?
Why is the guy that posted literally nothing pure town?
Give me a break.
i already went over why you arent the sk.
kj has been down for whatever lynch gets support. trying just a little too hard to act normal.
iso, on the other hand, is totally paranoid of me. i think we're 4/4 for him scumreading me now, so that may be null.
but it is how town should react to me busting in here like the koolaid man saying to "lynch me"
no read on our other guy, obviously
If you're not the Jester, why the hell would the Jester CC you?
No, as I mentioned before, I think the SK wants the Jester alive.
Not on Day 1 in this scenario. If the Jester gets NKed, I absolutely would on Day 2.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Just a heads-up that I probably won't be all that available this weekend after tomorrow. I'll get back to things on Monday, if I don't find time to post over the weekend.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But we are right!
Why?
Doesn't the SK lose if the Jester is lynched as well?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Again, probably not the case.
Please welcome DoTArchon to the game.
I'm adding one more day to the election deadline to compensate.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Not going anywhere near tom, way too much confusion happening there. Thoughts on Iso, KJ and D_V coming shortly, I've been reading along dince the game started but need to do a proper analysis now that I'm in.
KJ went to L-1 and didn't self-elect after Xyre mentioned that self-electing is possible. Town.
Iso is definitely not the jester, I think he would have called Tom's bluff if he was and tried to push Tom as SK. As SK he'd be trying to push himself as king, probably based on his experience and ability to catch scum. (He did self-elect at one stage but never pushed for it to go through) Town .
D_V seems a little too eager to get someone voted in, his early vote for KJ and subsequent hop to Iso (after Iso self-elected). Anti-Town
Tom's first post claim is definitely not coming from a town perspective. No right-minded townie would create that much WIFOM in hopes of attaining reads, since it distratcts everyone from focusing on the actual hunt while we're trying to resolve this.
I have a potential solution:
We elect Tom to the throne, with the instruction to lynch between myself and Iso, two townies. The SK should try to hit the Jester overnight since tomorrow there's no guarantee that the jester won't be mitakenly lynched and win the game. We can then try and resolve the outstanding from that point.
We need to wait for Iso before we decide whether or not to to pull the trigger on this though,
Why in your solution do you not have him lynch Iso over me?
The jester would never counter claim.
Though it could be dota. Need more info